>The era of tanks is not over.>A five-minute compilation from Hezbollah showing drones destroying military vehicles.https://files.catbox.moe/v4z8ub.mp4
>>65460925>The era of infantry is not over. >A five-minute compilation from (insert random conflict here) showing cheap bullets destroying military personel.
>>65460925I guess Ill have to post it again...https://youtu.be/lI7T650RTT8?is=vlubRebjFGyE14md
>>65460925Recognizing a lot of strikes in there. Is this just an everything-to-date compilation?
>>65460933maybe try making proper threads, instead of shitty /pol/-bait?
>>65460936>video from April 22lol
>>65460936>Boomer that served in the gwot 20 gorillion years ago and has zero experience in modern war has retarded outdated takeGramps it is no longer 2009, let it go.Hell it is no longer even 2022 a fuckton has changed even in the last 4 years.
>>65460939>5 minute compilation of war machines getting droned>/pol/baitLmao. It's not even my thread. Also clearly you have reported this thread already for being antisemitic
>>65460925even though tanks might not be invincible id still feel better if we had a big ass metal thing with a big gun sticking out of it next to me
>>65460933doesnt even make sense. ziggers have lost the most tanks by a huge margin, is everyone saying the tank isnt dead a secret zigger too?
>>65460950>id still feel betterNo one cares about your feeling faggot. This is war.
>>65460925>not a single video of resultsnot trying to be a jew lover but fpvs against tanks are hard, usually slavs use several to incapacitate o destroy one (more than 6)
>>65460958Fair point, i wish to see some merkava turret toss.
>>65460958Even if the success rate is 50%, I still think that's enough.
>>65460925>>65460936Does the US have any anti drone tech that the IDF doesn't have?
>>65460925>6th mentally ill dronenigger "muh tanks are obsolete" thread this monthyou realize that screaming the same thing louder at people doesn't convince them right? you've provided no real arguments and the weak ones you have provided have been debunked time and time again, repeating them as if to say:>NO, this isn't fair, i want a rematch!just gets you mocked and humiliated, you lost, the final verdict after all your shill threads is that tanks are not obsolete, no retries, you lost the argument.
>>65460943>g-grampszoomer dronenigger insecure about his age lmao.this site is for 18 and up, you need to get out.
>>65460935>>65460936>>65460958The Houthis can literally one shot Abrams tanks with a bomber drone from almost a mile up
>>65460955correct, dronenigger, nobody cares about your feeling that tanks are obsolete, which is why everyone is still buying them.
>>65460970implessiveso how is this supposed to make tanks obsolete?
Good luck advancing or holding terrain without ground forces retarded gorilla nigger.
>>65460974droneniggers are not known for their intelligence. them spamming the same threads over and over in hopes that the outcome will somehow change is a result of this.
>>65460974>advancingTank can't no longer be used to advancing your front line in the drone ages. You use infiltration groups to do so. You use infantry for that.
>>65460978>tanks can no longer be used to advancingdronenigger english lol>your front line in drone ageswrong>d-drone agesi still love how desperately you guys are still trying to treat drones as a dreadnought moment when they are not.>y-you use infiltration groupsno, dronenigger, le ukraine war and whatever retarded russians are doing these days is not "the meta".a real country uses mechanized ground forces packed with C-UAS supported by an airforce to take objectives.>n-noooo you're not allowed to take lessons from the ukraine war and adapt to drones, you HAVE to fight the way russia does now!!!dronenigger IQ estimations dropping rapidly lol.>inb4 he does his classic deflection and creates/attacks a nonexistent strawman that doesn't think drones have any merit on the battlefield.
>>65460978But infantry can be destroyed by drones! We have seen thousands of videos of that, so infantry is obsolete too. But good luck infiltrating over a desert in dirtbikes I guess.
>>65460987Infantry are less likely to be spotted by drones since they can infiltrate in smaller group and go through forested areas unlike tanks. Have you even paid attention to the War in Ukraine these last 3 years?
>>65460969Lmao unc thinks it is still 2015 when underage and b8 kids used to come on the 4chinz for le epic memes from Reddit...Underage kids are on x and tik tok.Nigga wake up,most zoomers are in their 20s and tanks have been obsolete sincer the Iran-Irak war in the 80s.Modern long-range artilery and ATGms killed armored assualts long before drones were even a thing.Then Desert Storm was the final nail in the coffin when the air-force just deleted enemy vehicles.It is sad how many boomers are mind-broken by modern RC toys and cant seem to grasp reality just because they are old and obsolete themselfs and have made that their whole personality.
>>65460985>Tanknigger is trying to cope.A pitiful sight.
>>65460969The oldest zoomers are like 30 grandpa. It's not 2018 anymore, update your calendar.
>>65460990>Have you even paid attention to the War in Ukraine these last 3 years?Yes. Yes I have. Its an awful stationary war full of insane casualty numbers, mostly infantry casualties. Non-retarded armies tend to not fight that way. But do answer me, how do you intend to advance if there is no forrest to hide in? Every part of the world isnt full of forrests.
>>65460992>t-tankniggerinorganic dronenigger desperately trying to create a "le bothsides" equivalence.there are no tankfags, and no tankniggers, they don't exist, and you're the only one using those denominations.there are the majority of actual humans with normal IQ's that laugh at you for being a dronenigger, and then there's you, the dronenigger.>>65460996>g-grandpa>nooooo i'm not under 18!!!!i accept your continued seething as a concession that your newest repeat anti-tank shill thread has failed miserably.
>>65460990Both sides has had years to set up extremly dense and advanced defensive lines. Western armies relies on speed and manouver, enabled by a competent air force, thus making sure your opponent doesnt have years to set up such defensive lines.
>>65461006this has been explained to him in approximately 3 previous drone shill threads, he ignores all of these arguments completely because he has nothing to reply with, he just wants to shill, he has no other reason to be on /k/ than to shill for his imaginary paradigm shift.
>>65460925Jesus that was a lot of hits, that's major losses. We truly are in the age of drones and it's just getting started.Soon nobody will be able to pick on anyone or the asymmetric drones come out
>>65460950Fuck no, they're drone magnets now
>>65461017>be me with tank support>drones now target the tanks instead of me>be you w/o tank support>drones now target you
>>65461005>Could multiple people think I'm retarded?>No, it all has to be one guy I have a schizo obsession withAre you sure you're ok gramps? I'm pretty sure this is a sign of dementia
>>65461006What about Iran then? Why haven't the US put boots on the ground and taken Kharg Island yet? Iran's Air Force and Navy were completely wiped out.
>>65461016>w-we are truly in the age of droneswrong.
>>65461022I'm the chef out in the bunker out back peeling a couple sacks of potatoes bro
>>65461027>logisticsYeah, you're giga-fucked
>>65460925Good. Fuck zionists
>>65460936>?is
>>65461026We are. A few years back, sand people taking just one humvee let alone a tank was pretty major. I'm guessing that's a lot more vehicle's lost in that clip than USA lost in Afghanistan in 10 years
>>65461024>n-noooo i'm multiple people>noooo you're obsessed with me for noticing my multi-thread month-long shilling campaignlol.>g-grampsyes, you've been using these speech patterns in all your previous shill threads as well, underage zoomer.
>>65461029I peel them I don't drive the truck. Think about it for when you're drafted, nobody volunteers for the kitchen because they can't be fucked cooking but I haven't seen a drone hit a kitchen yet
>>65461025Even if USA could hold it and not take losses, they couldn't take or defend it without destroying all the gas and oil infrastructure, and that's bad for the world economy
>>65461032we aren't, drones were getting used before the ukraine war as well, drones are having a measurable effect on the battlefield and will be intergrated into more parts of the army, but that doesn't constitute a "drone age".their abundance and effectiveness in the ukraine war is a result of the extreme fortification that happened before the war even kicked off, the antiquated nature of both armies compared to other more modern forces, the small amount of actual troops per stretch of frontline, due to the size of the ukraine border, and the lack of competent airforces.israel has not suffered a significant amount of tank losses, compared to the total size of their fleet.>inb4 jewi hate jews and hope they and the rest of the middle east get incinerated, so no lol. defending reality is not defending jews.
>>65461025because the current office campaigned on the fact that they would not do any boots on the ground, that is the sole and literal only reason kek.
>>65461041Drones were but really they just share the same name. A plane worth millions that fires missiles by a trainee operator in a trailer on the other side of the world is nothing like a cheap FPV drone by some guy in a hole or pile of rubble only a couple kms away
>>65461022>>be me with tank support>get spotted alongside the tanks>tanks spark massive defense response from the enemy, every unit in the entire sector gets activated and prepares for the defense>you are a high priority target>drones 1-15 target the tank>drones 16-50 target the infantry>you die>be you without tank support>surveillance drones miss you or enemy command doesnt see you as much as a threat and you are being designated as a low priority target.>you survive
>>65460936Maybe not dead but its a lot more precarious out there
>>65461048>you surviveI wouldn't count on it either! Its a mean old world out there
>>65461047no, mass use of cheap drones was even employed during the initial air campaign of operation desert storm, shitfuck amounts of cheap decoy drones were flung out over the airspace in order to confuse and bait AA batteries.
Who blew up in ziggerstan today?
>>65461056more ziggers, they're trying to cope by insisting this would totally happen to every other army that is currently learning from and adapting to the drone threat, and that their own ineptitude and lack of industry is the standard everywhere.
>>65461056Not ziggerstan, but the rial is up to 2 million per dollar and Iran is still pretending that there's no hyperinflation.
>>65461055That's cool, I didn't know that, but surely they weren't FPV drones because USA can't control them even now
>>65460949>muh compilation>old as fuck shit >muh jewsYeah thanks for proving my point.
>>65461148>random baseless seething completely unrelated to the topic>US can't control them even nowthey can, actually, randomly seething about some drama-tier civilian incident is not evidence to the contrary.
>>65461158it was probably RC planes and cost a huge amount of money. USA doesn't have FPV drones or operators, let alone drone swarms like China does
>>65460958Depends a lot on where you hit, the hits to the front of the turret aren't doing shit but the hits to the side near the tracks and to the rear are likely pens.Russian and Ukie tanks often survive 20+ hits because of the insane hillbilly armour they are adding on which Israel isn't using (yet).
>>65460925>showing drones destroying military vehiclesare there any aftermath videos?hitting a huge steel box was never the problem.you do know that one of the objectives of a tank is to protect its crew from getting killed.
>>65461188They're low budget and secretive so they don't really have another master drone hovering up there recording
>>65461162>USA doesn't have FPV droneswrong>or operatorswrong>let alone drone swarmswrong.why does this upset you so much, chinkshill?
Not a peer conflict.
>>65461198Ok fine, they don't have more than 10 FPV drones or 5 operators
>>65460925>jews are still sending guys and tanks to do house to house cleaning instead of using FPVs >even tho we've seen Ukraine do it for years now is it stupid stubborn boomer generals ?
>>65461209>n-noooooooo!>t-they only have 5>s-stop making fun of my delusions!concession accepted.
>>65461192Somehow, everybody else in the entire world except for Muslims fighting Israel are able to record aftermath footage (except for the one time there was some impressive-looking ammo cook-off footage--they miraculously were able to record for minutes on end for exactly that one instance).
>>65460925if a bunch of poor sand people in the desert can make these drones, how long until we see terror attacks and the equivalent of "mass shootings" perpetrated by drones and drone swarmshell, americans should be stockpiling these, your pistol and ar15 isn't going to protect you from the tyranny of the government when they roll up on your house with bradleys and abrams, but some drones might
>>65460936>tank apologists: why the tank is not deadBruh
>>65461223Why are you surprised? Standing armies are arguably the most resistant to change degenerates out there. Always have been. They need a catastrophic fuckup to start thinking about a change.
>>65461256If western domestic terrorist almost never make bombs already, why would they suddenly start now? A backpack filled with boom plus a detonator is already plenty effective, and is far less technically challenging to assemble and deploy than a fucking swarm of suicide drones.To an extent, the same thing applies to stockpiling these things for fighting the government. If you aren't already assembling something like a ghetto panzerfaust in your shack, then you can't really take advantage of FPVs for killing armoured vehicles - the actual military technology that goes into a drone (shaped charge warheads) is just as difficult to acquire now as it was 20 years ago if not more so due to ever increasing domestic surveillance.
>>65461256I'm genuinely surprised it hasn't happened yet
>>65461280>you aren't already assembling something like a ghetto panzerfaust in your shack, then you can't really take advantage of FPVs for killing armoured vehicles -Molotovs cocktails
>>65461162There are massive coordinated drone swarms at like every college football game, it's like the new jumbotron. And that's for shithead state university. The DoD has so much drone capability that is somehow partially unfucked the LCS and made that ship somewhat useful, which is not a phrase I ever thought I would say
>>65461311It isn't the 1930s any more. Molotovs do jack shit to most armoured vehicles if they don't land in an open hatch. Even actual no shit air dropped napalm does basically nothing to a tank.
>>65461323>Molotovs do jack shit to most armoured vehicles if they don't land in an open hatch.That's tanks sellers say in their advertising bucklets and then their tanks burn down from Molotovs cocktails.
The funsiest thing is that after 4 year the online anti fpv defenses proven are either jammer(fiber optic lol), shotgun, specialized ammo rifles and cope cages.Aps failed to stop in ukraine,russia, israel(hezbollah has shit drone operators though, which miss a lot)s case the drone does not care for that, nor have lasers, microwave or tiny missile done any concrete thing about em, same goes for any radar guided munition.Just to put into contest how good a fpv can get, it offers similar capability to that israel NLOS missile drone, which can delete tank feom 30km,Except the ukes have pushed fiber optic ones well past 50km and they can infiltrate vehicle depot.With modern thermal imager you could use a flamingo missile to release dozens of fpvs to home in on certain heat shapes.Including human ones at an airfield thereby dorectly going after pilots not only planes.It was drones that delete the russian navy and logistics, drones have quite literaly in ukraine case took over the role of the airforce.The middle east gayrab also showed a drone can easily infiltrate an american base but failed to do jak shit with it.We ve seen multiple cases of the drone being able to go after helicopters even
>>65461284>I'm genuinely surprised it hasn't happened yetwe had such an attack on the dresden airport literally 2 weeks ago or so. the explosives didnt go off, otherwise a dhl freight plane and an ukie freight plane would be burning wrecks now.
>>65461280Terrorism is inorganic and israeli,
>>65461256I would bet money the warheads required for these types of drones are much more readily available to those poor sand people in the desert than to aspiring terrorists in western countries.
>>65461360That's reasonable comment
>>65461148>Meanwhile in Kyivhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=diF8USGjQiA
>>65461350APS do work against drones, the issue is they can be just oversaturated and run out of ammo quickly.
>>65461374I have still yet to see from either hezbollah or israel a video of an aps shooting down anything.They both posted their POV when thst helicopter almost was hit by a drone.Figures having a single video made of the aps working would boost the jew war manufacturing exports by a lot.Its a lot more the fact drones require skills, and hezbollah has jak shit of them and ive seen them hit the ground when going after stationary vehicles
>>65461350Russia fielded their Arena system in Maiak in the Donets area sometime in early AugustIt did shoot some downThen it ran out and the drones ate them for dinner
>>65461360You do realize the ones doing terrorism are either retarded negroes so theyll mostly blow themself up and they cant figure out drones for shit, or intelligence agencies in which case theyll pay the negro to set up the explosive.
>>65461374>APS do work against drones, the issue is they can be just oversaturated and run out of ammo quickly.as >>65461380 said. no video evidence of trophy or arena downing even a single fpv sofar. post it here if you have it.
>>65461380I've seen one hezbollah video where you can clearly see the Trophy APS launcher turn towards the drone and there was no aftermath of any kind so one would assume it worked there. Also some time ago when the russians did a larger armored assault they had some of their Arena APS on their tanks and the ukies admitted they had to use more drones than usual to kill those tanks because the APS worked.
>>65461323Worked pretty alright for ukranians in 2022
Tanks have been "obsolete" since 1917.
>>65461398>Trophy APS launcherI meant to write radar instead of launcher
>>65461350>the anti-FPV defenses proven are either jammer>fibreopticheavily limits the mobility of the drone lol>cope cagesbarely do anything>APSshitty russian APS that was already shitty pre-war and wasn't built to deal with drones, yes.>b-but they don't have proper C-UAS like microwaves, lasers or small anti-drone cannons and radars yetnot an argument, those are currently being implemented.>drones have took over the role of the airforceincorrect
>>65461405>retvrn to basedtrad hoss
>>65461423Many videos of horses getting droned in Ukraine.
>>65461399The Ukrainians that were receiving massive quantities of foreign man portable anti-tank weapons and thus never had to rely on improvised dogshit like molotovs? Those ones?
>>65461198>>USA doesn't have FPV drones>wrongWe have FPV at home
>>65460949 anti-kike 1488
>>65461461You arent being very subtle mr Hasbara
>>65460970>the third-world discovered anti-tank weapons>start acting like they've killed god
>>6546092590% of this is just drones flying into shit with no video of the aftermath, apart from the part where a drone first flies head first into a tank parked next to another tank and then another into the tank next to it, with the first struck tank looking untouched. Apart from the ones where they strike light vehicles like humvees, I'm not trust any of these to be actual kills.
>>65460972Drones are cheaper and easier to mass produce while being just as effective if not more at taking out other tanks. Why the fuck would anyone use tanks at this point? Just a waste of money, man power, and currency debasement. Either they master the cope cage to make these tanks drone and motor proof or else they are just good for distractions.
>>65461474Except that the Houthis only dropped an explosive charge from a chink drone, It wasn't an ATGM at all
>>65461479mortar*
>>65461413>barely do anythingBecause 100% of videos you see are the videos of effective drone usage? And in 3/4 of them the cope cage or its equivalent is avoided entirely by the drone?There is nothing physically preventing cope cage from working.
>>65461479>at taking out other tankswhich is not the sole purpose of tanks as has been explained to you many times>if not moreonly if those tanks have no C-UAS.>why the fuck would anyone use tanks at this pointbecause dronenigger reality isn't the real world, and in the real world, all the people doing the fighting want more tanks, not less.>just a waste of moneywrong>manpowerwrong>and currency debasementschizo shit.
>>65460925If the era of the tank is over, what replaces the tank's role on the battlefield?
>>65461493>in the real world, all the people doing the fighting want more tanks, not less.the ukrainians havent ordered a single new tank and the russians arent exactly racing to shit out new tanks either.
>>65461493Have fun getting out produced. Wars are not won from the front lines, particularly if its a war of attrition. Tanks are no longer economically viable for the current war economy as they will run out of tanks long before people run out of drones.
>>65461494Drones. Seriously. The tank had three purposes: go fast, blow things up, and scout without getting too many humans killed. It was replaced for the first two by air power in the gulf war but hung on for urban combat due to the latter (2000 era keyword to search: fighting for information). Now FPVs do that.
>>65461494nothing, which the dronenigger making these threads doesn't often think about, he's retarded enough to think that all the countries currently not at war will intentionally copy russia's bad offensive tactics that it uses only because it does not have the competence and technology to do something better.he genuinely thinks that anything happening on any side in the ukraine war right now is THE defining meta of all warfare forever, and that all other countries will intentionally set themselves up for an awful horrible shitfest where neither side can get the upperhand and everything is fortified to shit. he doesn't understand that analysts all over the world are studying this war in order to learn what they can do to avoid any future war of theirs turning into the retarded stalemated shitfest that this has become, and according to a lot of them, that plan still involves tanks doing tank things with adequate protection from drones.
>>65461395>recorded footage is typically from drones>drone gets taken down>footage is never published>tank isn't gonna be recording shit in the sky because its focus won't be thereThere's a term for this: survivorship bias
>>65460935Infantry cost drastically less than a tank. The issue is not "The tank can die" the issue is >The tank is becoming more and more vulnerable to something that is getting cheaper and better>countermeasures are being '2 more weeks trust the plan it's just around the corner'>Unless you are the United States, it's becoming clear that grand maneuver warfare isn't something that'll happen. The last time the US did that was 2003. The last time the Israelis did that was 1982. The last time the Russians did that successfully was 1945. >Everybody else will get infinitely more bang for their buck by investing in drones than tanks. >Unless you are an aggressor most nations do not want to invade their neighbors anymore and are defensively minded and lack the means to carry out a successful offensive invasion and occupation to begin with (Unless they are the US). That last one is real important. Think about every single geopolitical hotspot and in every single case tanks are behind drones, aircraft, naval vessels, missiles. China/Taiwan/Sorks/Norks/Sudanese/Saudis/Iranians/Turks/Israelis/Egyptians/Fins/Poles/Greeks/Thai/Cambodians/Vietnamese/Flips. Literally just go down the list and NOBODY would be better off investing in more tanks versus more drones.That said hezbollah is doing usual overboasting that third world idiots do.
>>65461499and yet they constantly ask for more tanks, as does everyone, which is why production of tanks as well as offers to buy them have ramped up dramatically.>h-have fun with [schizo fantasy]i don't have to take yours schizo fantasy seriously in the first place lol.>wars are not won from the front linesthey are, actually.>b-but the ukraine war is an attritional conflictwhich is suboptimal and a result of initial conditions. something all other countries will be avoiding in the future because it is a stupid idea.>tanks are no longer economically viablethey are, which is why everyone is buying them.>long before people run out of droneswhen a C-UAS defended tank brigade destroys your frontline forces and then occupies all the cities producing drones, i bet that'll make the losing side feel all better.iraq never ran out of bullets or shells, they just fucking lost.
