What are the possible military applications of mithril?
>>65464046wouldn't even stop 9mm
>>65464046Cutproof clothing I guess, probably nothing ballistic as the links would just become secondary fragments. The real application of 3d printed titanium is in-field prosthesis; so guys with shattered femurs no longer need to be shuttled all the way to Ramstein, they can have a replacement thigh bone printed to fit the gap right there in the field hospital. I recall medieval fracture surgery sometimes involved peeling all the flesh back and wrapping the bare broken bone in a copper sheath to support it, this could probably do the same thing.
>>65464046>3d printing>micro-level accuracySo making that piece took three years?
>>65464046Mail was an obsolete armor type in the Medieval era. Plate titanium would be far superior
I think those kraut police would like it. Stabbings happen more often than you think.
>>65464192And yet it outlived full plate until WWI showed that it was worse than nothing on an industrial battlefield.
>>65464046lmao, you fell for le viral meme.The thing in that video is not even metal. It's plastic. Chain mail doesn't move that way.
Really good OSHA approved work gloves for handling barbed wire.
>>65464046it could probably be used to reduce injuries, by incorporating it into clothes covering non vitals. I thought maybe you would be able to put it in a composite like carbon fiber. but carbon fiber probably has a higher tensile strength already.
>>65464199Mail was used by gunpowder militaries who were fighting people still using bows and melee charges. If your enemies don't have many guns mail is fantastic.
>>65464046they had all of this money for this expensive patch of metal, and no money for this 240p ass video taken on a jitterbug phone from 2007
>>65464196>>65464199We already have stabvests and what do you think those are made out of?It's just mail armor in a polymer package..Another reminder that 90% of the people here have no hands on experience with anything they keep typing like experts about and wouldn't pass a psych eval if their life depended on it.
>>65464046>What are the possible military applications of mithril?Well mithril would stop a knife and what you posted probably won't. Titaniumfags stay losing.
>>65464046Looks like it could be used as skin for a sexbot.
>>65464046Hello, teenage boy.Titanium is actually less resistant to heavy forces than steel is for the same volume, it's just better by weight.Study material science instead of retarded memes.
>>65464046Titanium is actually worse than steel as far as protecting you goes. It just happens to be light weight
>>65464046>possible military applicationsMy AR grip is 3d printed Ti.>>65464409>just happens to be light weightDidn't even register upon my scale. I need a better scale.>>65464311Friend.
>>65464046I guess something like this would be great against tyranids
>>65464192>Mail was an obsolete armor type in the Medieval eraNo it wasn't.
>>65464057>I recall medieval fracture surgery sometimes involved peeling all the flesh back and wrapping the bare broken bone in a copper sheath to support itholy shit that's hardcorecould you provide a source on this?
>>65464229You sound insecure and insufferable.
>>65464199>It outlived plate Those societies never actually had plate
>>65464818Seconded he sounds like he got his ass kicked in an argument and hasn't lived it down.
>>65464192>>65464196 >>65464199
>>65464046Intermix your Titanium "cloth" with layers of Kevlar, and then impregnate the resultant stack with HDPE.
>>65464792>it was revealed to me in a dream
>>65464192A super lightweight shield?
>>65464229You sound secure and sufferable
>>65464229>We already have stabvests and what do you think those are made out of?Fibers tightly woven in a specific way in a modern reflection of something that is not mail. Some vests do incorporate mail and that would've made a way better point but it doesn't seem like that's what you were talking about. Neither of those Anons, BTW.
>>65464192>Mail was an obsolete armor type in the Medieval eraNo, it fucking wasn't? A good riveted mail, or scale mail, wouldn't be as good as actual plate, but it'd still protect you from a LOT. Slashing and piercing proper mail is not trivial, and together with your gambeson you'd have at least SOME protection against blunt strikes.
>>65464792Hes talking about the Varnhem Humerus, and "sometimes" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that post considering its the only archaeological example of this we have. It may have been a common procedure, but there's no evidence for that.
>>65464792>>65464881Not the anon and I ain't an expert on the subject, but I think he was talking about the Varnhem Humerus.Here's a research paper by Dan-Axel Hallback on it (both links are the same paper):https://www.scribd.com/document/805366268/A-Medieval-bone-with-a-copper-plate-support-indicating-an-open-surgical-treatmenthttps://drive.google.com/file/d/11vFAJvkQinShtsR3shx1tid2HQ02Wh3Y/view?pli=1
>>65464420>mud gets caked in there
>>65466175but why copper? shit goes reacty with everything. i'd rather use gold.
>>65466708Its soft and not as prized as gold. Would need to be something that you could cold hammer flat and fold around the bone without splitting. Plus some random Swedish medicine man working with an open forearm may not have had easy immediate access to metals of his choice.
>>65466708Copper has very good antimicrobial properties and greater longterm strength and durability.
>>65464873>impregnatewhat do we call the baby?
>>65464229Carbon fiber is not mail. The pictured carbon cloth looks too coarse to be anything other than an outer layer in a protective vest, the bullet just wedges in between the weave, ironically the same weakness as mail. Fiberglass composite, ie, non-flexible plates, are far better for ballistic protection than any variation of carbon fiber, due to fiber-resin bond strength. If you want real protection you have a hard ceramic plate on the outside to shatter and abrade the projectile. Absolutely no part of this package could in any circumstance be described as "mail armor".There was a failed attempt at making scale-mail type armor with Silicon carbide plates but that failed.
>>65466731shrapnel-chan
>>65465219Steel Mastery shit is awful from everything I've heard
>>65464792Copper poisoning is not a joke this probably killed the humerus man.
>this is 3rd printed titaniumIt's not though.
>>65466737>There was a failed attempt at making scale-mail type armor with Silicon carbide plates but that failed.Dragonskin. Still ongoing and made by Stealth Armor Systems, but the current versions (either SiC-TiB2 or B4C) are respectively rated for just Level III or III + M855, and are oriented towards replacing soft armor in very high risk situations and being worn behind Level IV Hesco ceramics. Jury is out on whether cops will just heat stroke ten minutes after putting that shit on.Older versions of Dragonskin were much stronger, but were unreliable either when conditioned (adhesive failure or the scales shifting and leaving gaps) or in general against Level IV or above.
>>65467692Ah thanks for the info, I just read that it failed a trial for the military and restructured or equivalent.If it exists and is available, that would make it the only modern armor which could be called "mail".
>>65464046>micrometer level of accuracy
>>65466731Slab Kun.
>>65467700No problem. There's actually a couple systems which sort of derive from the design.1. Dragonskin, which you know. Made by Armor Technology Corporation starting in 1997, then Pinnacle Armor starting in 2001, then Stealth Armor Systems starting around 2018.2. Safelife FRAS, which sucks.3. Guard Dog VERSA, which is a ripoff of FRAS.4. Skaalar, which is a copy of Dragonskin made by Evolution Armor around 2011-2016. Interestingly had a titanium carbide "Level V" version rated for real hard tungsten core shit.5. Verco USMHGenII, which is super high dollar but is the best overall flexible "scalar" rifle armor.The Dragonskin design was first developed by Allan Bain as early as 1993, using titanium scales, along with his business partner Murray Neal. Neal and Bain had a breakup and Neal founded Pinnacle in 2000. Bain had a non-compete until the late 00s founding Evolution then. Neal's dragonskin shit the bed in ESAPI replacement trials in 06-07 and he declared bankruptcy in 2013. His whereabouts are unknown but he reemerged briefly in 2020 to found Phoenix Armor which flopped weeks later. Bain's evolution armor went bust and became Stealth Armor Systems, partnering with Adept Armor and the Chinese for ceramic materials. I think Neal is either working for Bain under the table or he fled the country.
>>65467716It seems like fundamentally a good design, but I doubt titanium is the best material. I researched how you could make a modern Brigandine, since steel just is not good enough to stop even 9 mm, and a "package" of outer hard porcelain tile with industrial grade glass fiber composite under, seemed like the best out of a weight perspective. The design had some studies made on it which discussed the mechanics of how it worked (porcelain shatters and abrades projectile, GFC stops the fragments).Metals being malleable, kind of flow out of the way of a high powered bullet. It makes sense that you could make titanium armor thick enough to actually stop handgun bullets reliably and repeatably, but it would be comparatively heavy and/or expensive.
>>65467734The original titanium DS SOV-1000 was primarily to address 7.62x39 lead core, higher level "metal piercing" and AP pistol threats (KTWs, National AP, M39/B, etc) which were a concern in the 90s, and stab threats above NIJ Stab 3 per 0115.00. You can drive a shank through a IIIA vest fairly easily.The reason you'd run this over a normal set of plates is that you can get more coverage, especially abdominal.>but I doubt titanium is the best materialCeramic mogs titanium unless you have a very excessive multi hit requirement, or need it to eat a lot of drops. Titanium carbide however is a ceramic and is reserved for rare, very high level plates and flexible systems - usually vehicle armor.For example, Cercom used to manufacture a TiC plate called a "TSAPI" which you would slide in front of an ESAPI to boost it from .30-06 M2AP to 7.62x54R BS-40 tungsten core API. That threat never materialized and even XSAPI at inferior 7.62x51mm M993 protection was deemed inferior. There isn't really a market for "Level V" shit.>It makes sense that you could make titanium armor thick enough to actually stop handgun bullets reliably and repeatably, but it would be comparatively heavy and/or expensive.There are titanium hard plates from International Armor Co and VelSys which provide 7.62x39 MSC (ICW IIIA) protection, and a titanium-PE hybrid plate from Adept called the Mantis (pic related, two versions) that still gets mogged by ceramics unless, again, you have extreme drop protection requirements.
>>65467752>even XSAPI at inferior 7.62x51mm M993 protection was deemed inferiorMy mistake, meant to say "deemed excessive"
