>>65473044
Buy what?
>slavshit planes are trash
>eurojank planes are trash
>chinkshit planes are trash
>muttslop planes have an israeli controlled killswitch

>>65473062
Do something, for fuck's sake.
At this point, I wouldn't even mind if Carney created a white-elephant program to develop a domestic fighter jet that won't enter service until the 2040's.

>>65473062
Yep, the very same mutt planes they're flying. The same mutt planes Iran and Venezuela are flying. Yep the killswitch will totally be activated one day. Fuck you Sven, not even Indonesia will buy your shit and they buy everyone's planes

Why ? The F16 can :
- Fly fast and high
- Use the latest electronics
- Carry a lot of weapons

>>65473076
Anon... put your glasses on...

>>65473044
What do you suggest? They can't buy the sensible option(F-35) because they're having a tantrum at the US right now.

>>65473082
Buy Gripen or Eurofighter. Pull the trigger on SOMETHING.

>>65473085
Buy the rafale, it'll make all the subhuman jetts and subhumaner quebecois happy

>>65473085
On the bright side, if they wait for another decade, they might be able to become the first export customer for GCAP. That would be pretty cool, right?

>>65473117
Do it. I don't give a shit.
>>65473120
Ink it in this year. Have it official and in the pipeline.

>>65473044
why would canada need a jet?

>>65473241
To fulfill their international obligations/alliances and defend their northern airspace from Russian incursions.

>>65473082
They are going to just sit by for a few years then buy the F-35. They have no current air threats, and they will be using whatever plane they buy for the next 30-40 years, so no reason to rush it due to short-term political issues

>>65473252
You don't need new aircraft to escort drunk Tu-95s.

>>65473044
>>65473082
I thought they were already on the backlog for F-35s.

>>65473044
Didn’t they heel and buy the f35 like 3 times already? The fuck is the point of a contract if they can bail when they’re on their period?

The F35 is a domestic fighter anyway. Significant portions are/were supposed to be made there.

>>65473287
Yeah you do. Your shit is unsafe.

Why don't the just upgrade to super hornets?

They're similar enough to what they already operate it should make things easier to transition.

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OP here.
I am retarded. Disregard this thread.

>>65473314
Yeah we bought F35s just debating on what the rest of the fleet will be and because of orange man it will probably be a mix fleet of f35s and SAAB

>>65473082
>They can't buy the sensible option(F-35) because they're having a tantrum at the US right now
It very much looks like the US is the side having a tantrum. Lake America my ass - the behavior of a toddler.

>>65473380
muh precious injun naming
give your house to an injun you hypocrit

So, same use case as Russian Air Defense Force, with an even smaller budget.
>Thousands of miles of coastline and uninhabited land.
>Need long range, twin-engine, data-linked missile trucks for AA interdiction and area denial.
Except all those capabilities are already filled by the US. Canada is integral to NORAD, regardless of present-day politics. They do not NEED to overbuy for redundant capabilities.

That said, ANG still operates F-15Cs for domestic defense. Either those or E variants.

>>65473252
We dont meet any of our commitments and never have why start now. Half our navy tonnage in the water is just concrete blocks on barges. I'm not even kidding they count them as part of the fleet.

>>65473360
>Why don't the just upgrade to super hornets?
Have you watch the news lately? You don't buy fighters from an country you're having a trade war with.
Also, the current US administration doesn't give a shit about agreements or contracts, so any deal would be pointless.

>>65473395
>why start now
International relevance comes from being internationally relevant.

>>65473400
>don't do thing that will make the trade war go away
Ok then.

>>65473402
Again why start now.

>>65473407
Ottawa and much of the Laurentian Elite have deluded themselves into thinking Canada is a global player.
So... your government needs modern fighter jets.

>>65473405
Lol, as if Trump would drop the tariffs if Canada ordered more F-35.
At best he would consider it a sign of weakness.

>>65473085
Canada isnt a serious country anymore.

>>65473380
yeah the Americans are being a bit silly but ultimately the canadians need to be slapped around until they stop being proud of having a cartel control maple syrup pricing

>>65473380
And to take it seriously shows you're on the same toddler level. Did anyone follow the Gulf of America nonsense? Of course not, so why take this round of retardation seriously?

>>65473360
We were going to get super hornets as a stop gap until F35, but then Boeing asked Trump to tariff Bombardiers new C-Series passenger jet, which nearly put Bombardier out of business, so it was politically untenable to keep the deal.

Boeing ended up fucking themselves over twice on that deal because they both lost the Super Hornet contract, and Airbus bought the C-Series program (renaming it the A220) which ended up cannibalizing a bunch of 737 sales.

>>65473515
>Have NAFTA agreement
>Trump1: it's a shit agreement, I'll negotiate a better one.
>Proceeds to negotiate pretty much the same agreement, but with a new name
>Trump2: we are totally getting ripped off by USMCA, which idiot negotiated this
Honestly, the current situation feels like it's from a poorly written movie. To whine about clauses that are explicitly in the free trade agreement is not just a bit silly - it's stupid and dishonest.

>>65473544
>Boeing fucking themselves over for short term strategy
I'm shocked, SHOCKED, at the implication.

>>65473546
Ah, so you won't give up the maple syrup pricing cartel. Why are all Canadians like this? It's really not worth a lot. Just let it go.

>>65473535
Or you guys stop voting senile old men into office, then you don't need to find excuses when they act retarded.

>>65473562
>It's really not worth a lot.
Then why do you care so much?

>>65473577
I'm serious about local maple syrup. Everyone should have access to it at low prices.

>>65473563
I could say the same to you and politicians absolutely nobody likes but we both know, whoever the next PM is gonna be, everyone is gonna hate him but he got the minority majority vote so oh well. Trust me I'm not particularly jazzed my government looks like a retirement home but as the Chinese say "fix your shit before trying to lecture anyone"

>>65473587
I'm not Canadian, I follow the current US vs. Canada scuffle just out of morbid curiosity (and the impact on the stock markets).
As a neutral observer I can tell you very honestly that watching an interview from Trump vs. Carney feels like a 8 year old arguing with a grown up.
I totally get it, nobody likes when foreigners talk shit about your country or politicians but the current administration is really just sad.

>>65473620
Look, it's easy. Trump was instructed to make it impossible to negotiate a new "free trade" agreement in the future. He's very bad at his job and it still all looks recoverable but maybe he'll find a way.

Meanwhile I understand Canada doesn't take their defense seriously but consider what Israel is up to here. You should get buying already.

>>65473544
I can't wait for American auto manufacturers to have to deal with pickup truck tariffs being removed.

>>65473546
I'm pissed about the whole thing because "NAFTA" was a great name for a int'l organization. But it was also too good a name. The average person could remember "Nafta bad."

>>65473658
Oh fucking PLEASE. I hate the chicken tax, all my homies hate CAFE standards

>>65473659
Also you can't make USMCA into a sexual thing like 'nother afternoon fucking that ass

>>65473662
I just want my 2026 Toyota Hilux.

>>65473079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIUMQa4jlbU

>>65473380
>the behavior of a nigger
fixed

>>65473495
this

>>65473360
you cant upgrade a hornet into a super hornet, they're two different airframes if thats what you mean. if you mean upgrade the fleet by buying new super hornets, thats going to cost as much as an F-35 order.

>>65473085
Why? There's no point to getting something new unless its an actual leap in capability like a proper stealth aircraft. Hornets are great.

Amerimutts need to open the strait and stop embarrassing themselves

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>>65473658
The chicken tax is a nothingburger really. Yeah it's gay but easily circumvented with either local production or bizarre rituals.
The biggest obstacle to getting neat foreign trucks and vans over, and unfucking our own domestics is safety, emissions and CAFE standards.
They don't even need to be entirely axed, just rationalized.

That's not to say it doesn't deserve to be tossed out, just that it'd solve little on it's own

>>65474219
Keeping the straight closed benefits us. Combined with Ukraine bodying Moscow's ability to sell fuel fuel prices are growing, fertilizer production is dropping, and undesirables in the old world are starving. This is a good thing for us.

>>65474230
Stop embarrassing yourself

>>65473044
Skip gen 5 focus gen 6 and preorder the GCAS get number 1 on waiting list

>>65474235
I'm not. People are starving in the eastern hemisphere due to the straight being closed and Ukraine drastically cutting Russia's ability to export oil. It's a beautiful thing. We may end up getting great gains on green house gas emissions going forward due to the lower population, ending global warming.

>>65474246
>US and Iranian forces traded large-scale strikes tonight, the first in weeks.
>A U.S. official told Axios tonight's strikes "bought at least a month" of lowered threat levels for commercial ships in the Strait of Hormuz.
stop, just stop fucking embarrassing yourselves

>>65474248
You don't seem to understand our goals. Pipelines going west are being built to benefit the west. Meanwhile the overpopulated east is starving. The world is healing.

>>65474252
Now I'm embarrassed for you

>>65473082
The RCAF was already throwing a shitfit about the F-35s because one of the requirements for a country to be included in the program is thay they need a dedicated airbase security unit to protect the jets and the RCAF didnt want to do it because they're fucking broke and have no manpower

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>>65473062
BEHOLD

>>65473082
>they're having a tantrum right now
US: be our vassal or let us annex you
Canada: no
US: omg stop throwing a tantrum!!1!!!11

>>65473535
>Did anyone follow the Gulf of America nonsense?
Yeah? Didn't Trump personally call Apple to complain that the maps didn't say Gulf of America?

>>65473636
>Meanwhile I understand Canada doesn't take their defense seriously but consider what Israel is up to here.
Just WHAT are they up to, goy?

It's time for Canada to give up, they had a good 200 years but they only have themselves to blame for destroying it all in only 20. Better to be ruled over by a mutt than a jeet.

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>>65473082
CANADA is the one having a tantrum?

>>65474690
youre having a tantrum in response to a tantrum. the whole elbows up mass hysteria thing is embarrassing.

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>>65473380
It's still so surreal going onto maps and seeing the name's changed

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>>65473044
Unironically the F-15EX would be the best option for Canaderp.
>Muli-engine for redundancy on far North patrols
>All the modern bells and whistles of a 4 gen+ plane
>SPAMRAAM
>Passenger turns into a WSO for tac fighter missions

>>65473082
>they're having a tantrum at the US right now.
Other way around, yanks are chimping out at Canada.

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>>65474518
You can get ~10 States out of Canada, which gets us to a still fairly nice & round 60 States.
Plenty of easy 2/3 and 3/4 majority calculations possible, still.

>>65474722
If 4chan is any indicator, ppl love taking b8.

Canada has an army?

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>>65473082
just take the K-pill already

>>65473362
Canada is such an effeminate country, this is literally mirroring my ex when she was having a meltie, holy shit

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>>65474269

>>65473665
>USMCA
United States Marine Corps of Autism

>>65475035
I still can't believe people let Trump get under their skin with low effort shit bait. He has done it for two years straight, just fucking dogshit twitter tier ragebait to get countries to make stupid moves out of spite and it somehow keeps happening. All they really have to do is ignore him and address the chud maga voters themselves with their own snappy populistic responses, but they can't because they actually DO hate them and want to inflict them pain.

>>65474354
wouldn't surprise me considering how many Poos are in Can'tada

>>65473062
>random redditard killswitch prattling
What got blown up this time

>>65473495
We're an economic joke and I don't know why Ontario is deluded to the contrary .

>>65473563
>he says after Trudeau ran the country into the ground
so much for youth

>>65475271
It's mystifying how much angst he generates in other countries by talking about 51st states and [x] of America.
>H-H-He can't do that!!! The Treaty of Whatever signed in 1778!!!
Shouldn't that be a huge red flag he's trolling for reactions? But the inferiority complexes are so deep they can't help themselves.

>>65475271
He’s the fucking president you terminally online shitskin. The president isn’t supposed to randomly troll people because it makes the entire nation look psychotic and unreliable.
Why do idiots like you fail to realize that being needlessly antagonistic is an undesirable trait just about anywhere, but most especially in positions of power?

>>65473044
The Leafs should elbows up and pick a Rafale/Gripen combo

The MIC shockwave will ensure the tantrum babby will shut the fuck up

>>65475454
>The president isn’t supposed to randomly troll people
>turdie doesn't know history
Elbows up, Pradesh!

>>65475454
You sound like my mother. Should the president live like the Amish because that's how presidents used to live? Get with the times, if you aren't tech savvy and using social media you're falling behind. The office has been tarnished since Clinton fucked an intern in it anyway, get over yourself.

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>>65475454
Do you think Trump is the first boorish POTUS or is this part of the concern trolling routine?

>>65475454
It's more of an anomaly when the president isn't a troll.

>>65475454
This is the angst I was talking about. Trump's shitposting makes an entire nation look "psychotic and unreliable"? Stop the histrionics.

>>65475501
>abloobloobloobloo stop calling my daddy a retard
Yeah well you sound like a dark brown faggot.
>do you want the president to live like the Amish instead if making multiple billions off policy manipulation?!
YES YOU STUPID LITTLE NIGGERBOY.

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Canada should have just gone for the super hornet imo.

>>65475628
hand and gun, brownie

>>65474354
Beyond funny

>>65473082
Buy the F-35. They can't buy Gripen, KF-21, or KAAN because we'll never give them the engines for bailing on the F-35 a second time. Eurofighters will take 20 years to be delivered and the RCAF will be extinct. Rafale is a flying corruption scandal. FA-50 isn't a real fighter and also uses American engines. There was already a specific F-35, the CF-35, designed to be tailored for Canada and they're still being a big bitch about buying it.

>>65475413
Still less than muttland

>>65475271
>jokes on you I was only pretending too be retarded

>>65476299
Skip gen 5 invest early in GCAS no burgers allowed

>>65476357
>Britbong killswitch vs Amerigolem killswitch

>>65473073
>Yep the killswitch will totally be activated one day.
Nobody suggested that was a thing before the f35. You know, the thing the IS is selling now.
>>65473262
>short-term political issues
The US has ruined its reputation for good. Noone wants to rely on someone thats a 4 year term away from electing annother retard.

>>65476411
>Nobody suggested that was a thing before the f35
Because back then Reformtards were using other taglines.
>The US has ruined its reputation for good
I have been hearing this for more than 20 years.

>>65476357
canada has no money for it

>>65473380
The problem is Canada and Mexico allow China to resell to America through their countries to avoid tariffs. Mexico has taken steps to address the issue white Carney is shitting himself to avoid being seen as making concessions to Trump, this pleases his European leash holders

>>65473044
Please just cancel the american buy outright. Delicious burger tears. I don't even care what you buy as long as it isn't American.

>>65476411
>>65476438
I don't think there is a kill switch, but needing a cloud connection to Lockheed should be a dealbreaker.

>>65476957
I need to make a change in the recommendation: Canada should take delivery of 1 F-35 and hand it off to their FME units before cancelling the buy lmao.

>>65476357
Why buy an even more expensive, unproven aircraft that is 5-10 years away when you can just buy a tested and mass produced aircraft available now? If you're seriously worried about going to war with the US just don't, there is no reason to plan for an instant loss.

>>65476411
>The US has ruined its reputation for good. Noone wants to rely on someone thats a 4 year term away from electing annother retard.

Why is this only an issue now? This is how its been for centuries. You act like other democracies don't shift significantly with their leadership. Look at Japan now and in the near future, the UK, France and Germany.

>>65476957
Hell yeah, you chop off your legs to own the chuds xis!

>>65474373
The USA is understandably pissed off because we don't pull our weight with our own national defense. We depend on the US Navy and Airforce to enforce our borders.
I'm sick of you people making every excuse for our clown leaders who cant even buy a fighter replacement or attack helicopters, new tanks or a replacement for our aging IFV's.
When I was in Afghanistan we relied on the USA for air support and medevac cause the only helicopters we had were griffon POS's
And don't get me started on that stupid 7.62 minigun faggot shit.
Warfare happens much more quickly now, Canada has been caught with its pants down in every single major war recently and that needs to stop. If Russia or China choose to start shit we wont have 6 months to get our shit in order like in WW1, WW2, Korea and Afghanistan and start fighting.

>>65473362
>Canada does a review of the F-35
>Review concludes there is no viable alternative.
>Government buries review and continues to buy the F-35 rather then admit their retardation in dragging out this process.

>>65476957
nigga it'd just go to another customer, there is no shortage of them with the f-35. this is like the cucknadian idea to shut off natural gas to the US thinking they'll spite them but really they'll just be destroying their own revenue and credibility and for nothing

>>65477100
Not to mention the 10th Mountain Division is 4 hours from Ottawa if our leaders really did go through with that dumb shit. I hate that we are looking like petulant children who dont want to take their medicine on the world stage.

>>65477066
>>65477100
>implying it's about the money
iAnd Canada has plenty of takers for sought after commodities like oil, gas, potash and so forth.

But you're right, buying F-35s and then selling them to China is even funnier.

>>65477120
oh you're just delusional, boring.

>>65477090
The US never truly wanted Canada to pull their weight with regard to national defense. There's a reason they opposed the deal for Canada to get nuclear submarines in late 1980s.

>>65475716
They would have if Boeing weren't retards that tried to sue Bombardier.

>>65477137
seething american detected. lmao
Come on canucks, write to your MEPs and make it happen. Divest, Boycott and Sanction, but for the US. Europe is doing it, you can do it too!

>>65475031
yeah like calculatin that 3/4 of the canadians are gonna be burnt up in nuclear hell fire and 2/3 of the remainder are gona be my femboy wolfboys
cant make ten states out of that

>>65473044
What does Canada even need an air force for?

>>65477172
words cannot describe how brown you must be

>>65476438
>I have been hearing this for more than 20 years.
It has taken a while but trump 2 has been very diffrent from anything before.
>>65476964
>I don't think there is a kill switch, but needing a cloud connection to Lockheed should be a dealbreaker.
That IS an effective kill switch anon. Cloud connection can be terminated on the US side.
>>65477061
>Why is this only an issue now? This is how its been for centuries. You act like other democracies don't shift significantly with their leadership.
Both the US and other countries had stable institutions to go along with their democracies this admin has very effectively ripped that appart.
>Look at Japan now and in the near future, the UK, France and Germany.
Neither the UK Germany or France so far has ripped the foundation out under their Supreme courts. Nor have they ripped up international agreements because "I can probably get something better." It might change if their far right parties get in power though. I am not familiar enough with sino politics to say what the deal is there.

>>65477954
implessive

>>65477172
Venezuelan or Cuban, call it.

>>65478079
Euro, he called MPs "MEPs", members of european parliament

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>>65473044
Agreed. But Canada has a long and storied history of delaying large military purchases thanks to political infighting. a waffling public, and a PMO that is either extremely left-wing and/or exhibits signs of foreign manipulation.. I'm old enough to remember when they were debating whether Canada should buy the F-18. Back then we were considering the F-16 and the Panavia 'Tornado' and even thinking about buying 80 used F-14's from Iran.

It's not just with our ever-shrinking air force, but all arms of the CF. This is just an example of many:
>last 2 years of term, party announces plan to spend billions on a needed upgrade
>opposition cries foul
>we don't need it they claim
>tax weary Canadians not happy they say
>Press whips up social discord by publishing negatives to garner more readers
>public outrage!
>opposition says they'll kill purchase if voted in
>gets voted in, kills purchase
>meanwhile airframe loss from operational attrition continues
>time passes, continue deferring
>party realizes needs to be replaced
>announces replacement
>opposition cries foul
>budget issues
etc etc.. years go by and the cycle continues. Nothing changes except the darkening of our national skin colour. Being Canadian is embarrassing.

Trudeau Jr promised not to buy the F-35 saying the $136 million dollar each price tag was too much but then in 2023 agrees to buy them at $216 million a piece.

Goddamn my country. :-/

Canada has no national identity beyond being disdainful of Americans

Canada has no cultural heritage beyond seething about Americans

Canada has no national interests beyond being inconvenient towards Americans

Canada has no vision of itself in the future other than as an instrument to harm America

>>65478145
Based Canada.
>>65478082
Eh they're basically part of us. They like us more than america anyway.
>TFW you will see the EU flag wave on the american continent in your lifetime

>>65475271
Yeah, uh it's the *other* countries doing the stupid choices.

>>65478082
He used an upside down exclamation point at the start of one of his sentences, so that narrows it down quite a bit.

All fucking Americans must fucking hang, buy gripen.

This post was written by SAAB gang.

>>65477954
What foundation has been ripped out? Right to abortion? Are you a woman who got lost or something?

>>65479155
good luck with those engines and half your electronics, considering the US controls the sale of your plane

>>65473044
for what honestly? no one but america will attack canada and if america attacks its over for canada anyway.

>>65479155
in what fucking universe do you hail from where Canada could afford that

we literally let our handful of Hornets fall apart because we couldn't afford the maintenance or new airframes, you think we have the cash for gripens and a whole new logistics chain?

>>65479418
And China makes parts for the F35, nobody cares.
>>65479582
The universe where Canada imports billions of Jeets.

>>65479601
precursor components of a larger assembly is not the same as a jet engine the US can say you can't have and you know that

>>65473044
Canada needs a long range plane because of the large northern space.
That means the F15 or more likely F35.
Anything else they take fails. The Eurojank jets are small and mediums, the Su27 family is not available
Except F35s are having availability problems because of a spare parts shortage and you have to suck Donald's dick to get priority.
That leaves... nothing. Canada will probably just get F35s because it's the default and let most of them sit in the hangar waiting for maintenance.

>>65479631
>Except F35s are having availability problems
Imagine if Canada already had a fleet of CF-35s because they never cancelled their initial order.

>>65479631
the F-35s won't arrive in Canada until after his presidency anyway

>>65479601
you're a brown idiot.

>>65473082
Canada is full of niggers and Indians, that’s enough reason to prohibit an F-35 sale
t. leaf

Also domestically the whole thing is very much portrayed as Canadians being smug redditors so anyone going “muh US is having a tantrum!!” is also a nigger, and they likely shill for Russia. Slava Ukraine

>>65479689
The people shrieking for us to not get the F-35 are the same "elbows up" boomers that have become the most cringeass demographic we've had in a decade. I know for a fact none of them ever heard that astroturfed phrase before because
A) none of them played hockey once
and
B) never, ever was it even present in hockey circles to begin with

>>65479714
it was probably a Mikey staffer's singular experience during their one season on their GTA school's team and was presented as a Canadian cultural constant and the clueless fags just went with it because they didn't know either

>>65479714
But think of the dogfighting
Modern war is just jets flying around and shooting an occasional missile, I saw it in Top Gun
Stealth coatings are just a really expensive way to get close to the other guy, but it still comes down to guns

>>65479737
>Modern war is just jets flying around and shooting an occasional missile, I saw it in Top Gun
Modern war is ground radars doing 90% of the work and jets launching a missile at a track they got from the network.
You'll get the occasional use of actual tactics in which the ground early warning radar spots a target, one jet lights it up with the targeting radar and a third launches the missile.
The problem with stealth is that it is directional, so when you're getting lit up from 2 different directions and both of those are networked with a 3rd missile launcher it doesn't help much.
Stealth is a tool mission planners can use to fuck up an isolated node on the network.

>>65475046
Yeah

>>65477120
>sell to China
…is the goal to give the next admin a reason to distrust Canada? Is this syrupy chat thumping, or are you just a jeet?

>>65479601
What part does China make for the F35?

>>65477120
My favorite part about your turdie babbling here is the accidental inverted exclamation point that confirms you're a seething brownoid from some dogshit Latin American country, which is probably the number two or three source of malding over the US here

>>65477120
> buying F-35s and then selling them to China is even funnier.
know what you're right there, the mental image of Carney handing over an F-35 to the CCP and turning to Europe with a giddy expression and a thumbs up, only to be met with a collection of abject horror and then seeing them pull any and every sensitive IP they have in Canada and making a note to not sell them anything more advanced than a can opener for the next half century **is** pretty fucking funny

>>65479853
>Yeah I basically 12 gauged my country's tech and import industries for the next two (mionnimum) generations by committing one of the most flagrantly malicious acts in inter-NATO history, but I got to stick it to Trump!
A horrifically plausible scenario currently.

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>>65475610
Donald Trump and his admin is making pretty much the whole world view the US as unreliable and untrustworthy. Because they aren't reliable and only a fool would trust them. That's not histrionics, that's a cold and rational view of the US' foreign policy under Trump. The literal only exception is Israel.

>>65479919
Israel is mislabeled as Malaysia in this graph for some reason.

>>65479847
>inverted exclamation point
Anon... that's a lower case letter i. An inverted exclamation point looks like this:¡ not i
It's incredible at what straws you'll grasp when the entire world looks at you like the retard you are. See >>65479919

And in terms of Canada I'd not even put Trump on the pedestal. Imagine how long the keystone XL pipeline was worked on before Biden cancelled it day one. Of course Canada will look elsewhere for partners.

>>65479806
targeting data

>>65479919
hand, gun and outlet, turdie.

>>65476357
Yeah, in the meantime they'll be without an airforce for 10+ years until the Tempest is ready for mass production.

>>65477120
>But you're right, buying F-35s and then selling them to China is even funnier.
Lay off the crack pipe, kneegrow.

>>65474986
They’re not going to admit that.

>>65478145
>Canada has no vision of itself in the future other than as an instrument to harm America
They actually do, it's being a colony to China.

>>65479155
Your latest plane can't even face a Felon 1-to-1 and still win the confrontation. You got no reason to brag whatsoever.

>>65477954
>Neither the UK Germany or France so far has ripped the foundation out under their Supreme courts.
Neither has America. In fact, the SCOTUS has never been acting so much in accordance to the foundational ideals of the Constitution as they have now, when compared to the last 20 years.

>>65473082
The tantrum blocking the F-35 started before Trump which makes seethe all the more entertaining.

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>>65478225
>>TFW you will see the EU flag wave on the american continent in your lifetime
Yuropissers are so delusional it's unreal.

>>65479919
A Saab employee wrote this I take it, the demand for American equipment has never been higher

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>>65480080
no u, clown

>>65479919
>pew research center

Also it's a known fact poland and japan have gone up in this time, not down, so I question all other numbers.

>>65480310
>it's a known fact poland and japan have gone up in this time
It was revealed to you in a dream.

>Mericans seething everywhere

What would be funny is if they turned shit around like the Avro, and just went balls in on drones. Future is here old man

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>>65480331
>turned shit around like the Avro
>like the Avro
does he know?

>>65479393
>>65480139
If you don't see the issues with a supreme court just towing the line like the us one is, you are retarded.

>>65480378
It wasn't hard to guess that the anon was stunningly ignorant.

>ITT; Burgers laughing knowing Leafs have only one real option, Leafs saying they only have that same one option . . . and then brownies desperately screeching for divestment and outlandish purchases that the Leafs can't even begin to afford
yikes

>>65480445
Can you give an example of the SCOTUS "toeing the line"?

Bonus points if you show you understand American law.

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>>65480445
Anon, what alternate universe are you posting from where SCOTUS is just towing the line? Are you just angry that the NFA looks like it's about to be gutter?

They should buy super tucanos

>>65480445
>towing the line
you ESLs are insufferable

>>65480484
More than likely he's huffy over the ballroom

>>65480378
>>65480468
>Canada was going to buy jets, but turned around thanks to american influence
>Today, thanks to american influence, canada could turn down american made and go balls in on the next big thing
huh. wasn't that hard to understand

>>65480484
>>65480474
Taking voting matters away from the states.
Not putting a hat to demolishing the east wing.
Besides its not the only institution that has been completely corrupte, only the most powerfull. SEC not stepping if to prevent the ludicris bailout for musk is wild. Alowing pthe president to controll a financial institurion is wild. All of could normally be taken to court, but not this time around.
>>65480508
Not understanding why that is a big deal makes you a retard.

>>65480553
oh no the brownoid is breaking down.

>>65480553
So you don't understand American law at all and are simply reacting to being told to be emotional.

>>65480508
Right on target, anon has no idea why the Ballroom is bad he only knows he has to oppose Trump.

>>65480551
>canada could turn down american made and go balls in on the next big thing
And what is this next big thing and how are they going to afford it anon?

>>65480551
Canada was going to buy F-35, then Trudeau and the Liberal party wanted to cut military spending.

>>65480565
He's going to say drones because he's a third-world dipshit who think this is the Dreadnaught Effect he and his ilk have been hoping for.

>>65480553
Holy shit do you get all of your political takes from fucking NPR?

>>65480561
>>65480562
>>65480585
You are not providing any arguments this is pure seethe.
>reeee you are listening to le wrong jurnos.

>>65473044
I'd be happy if Canuckistan simply built a new jet.
They made some neat ones in the past, then.. "Black Friday" And it's like the leafs forgot how to make a proper fighter.

>>65480603
Show us that you aren't simply being an emotional woman by telling us what your issue with the ballroom is and how the SCOTUS was "toeing the line".

why are foreigners screaming about trump in this thread?

>>65480622
Because trump is unpredictable and keeps dunking on their savior..? Idk

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>>65480553
>a hat
>corrupte
>powerfull
>ludicris
>Alowing
>pthe
>controll
>institurion
>All of could
Anon I will give you serious replies if you just tell me what country you are posting from.

>>65480622
Because I don't think even Hitler ever managed to mindbreak people on a global scale to the degree Orange Man did.

>>65480572
How long has the Uke war been going on?

>>65480640
12 years now

>>65480473
>burgers sell most expensive jet with all sorts of strings attached
>must be the brown people (and you can't say the naughty words because once orange man is gone you need to pretend america is our best friend again)

>>65481023
F-35 is both cheaper and more capable than the Gripen my brown friend.

>>65473085
EF Tranche 5 is exactly what canada needs rn to bridge capability gape until a 6th gen fighter exists.

>>65481115

Not that anon but isn't the F35 twice as expensive per flight hour ?.

>>65481175
lol no, look at the Swiss numbers since they didn't just regurgitate Saab marketing

>>65481273

30-40k isch per hour vs under 10k or am i reading that wrong ?.

>>65480445
Okay I don't usually ask this, but could you have chatgpt write your statement in coherent english please?

>>65480622
The entire world is enraptured by US MSM who use him as a singular point of reference for everything.

>>65481303
You aren't reading the Swiss evaluation numbers.

>>65481115
>"F-35 is cheaper"
>believing that the prices ShyLock-heed promises are even remotely accurate
LOL, LMAO even. The Norwegians ended up paying almost twice as much for their F35s as they originally intended, for 2 thirds of the jets they were promised, all because Lockheed just kept lying about the pricing and altering the deal.
Look at any other nations that has bought F35s and you'll find similar stories. F35s always end up costing at least twice as much as their listed price.
>ignoring that the F35s maintenance&upkeep-cost per flight hour is twice as high as the competing eurocanards
>not even acknowledging that all the software and stealth-coating maintenance of the F35 is a subscription service that's both extremely expensive and requires the buyer to keep continuously fellating whoever sits behind the Resolute desk
>Ignoring Lockheed's >60 year history of blatant lies, shameless bribery, and jeet-tier extreme corruption

F35s are roughly twice as expensive as Lockheed claims they are. That's a fact.
And they're inferior to the euro canards in terms of weapons load, climb rate, and maneuverability, cruising speed, top speed, adaptability, and mission flexibility.
To top things off, the F35 can't break the sound barrier without lighting the afterburner, effectively halving the combat range and fuel economy.

The only thing the F35 has going for it is the supposed stealth capability, which may or may not just be marketing bullshit.
Nations outside the US buying F35s don't buy them because the F35s are the best planes around (they aren't), they buy them because they want to curry favor with the US.

>>65481658

What are the flying hour cost for the swiss then, i can only find that 35-42k number.

They would be crazy to go for the F-35 see Eielson crash in alaska, it can't handle a little cold weather

>>65478145
That's too much reddit spacing for me to care newfriend

>>65482076
You think the US operates a jet aircraft incapable of operating in the cold? Do you know what the temperature is at 20,000 feet?

>>65482102
They were made for israel which is a desert, and it did crash due to ice not sand

This thread is more brown than a chocolate bar onfao

>>65482096
I never heard of reddit spacing before redditors came over here to tell us about it

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>>65482534
I literally can't even respond to you with a written example of reddit spacing because 4chan thinks I'm a spambot. So here is a picture of reddit spacing.

>>65480310
Poland and South Korea declined because of tariff bullshit.
They were trending up until this happened.

>>65479919
>>65482865
>>65480310
Did you read the footnote?

>those who did not reply are not shown

It's a response bias poll, completely meaningless.

>>65482876
I don't even know if empathy is the right word, but fundamentally Americans lack the ability to imagine the world from other people's POV.

it's like the "but I did have breakfast this morning meme".

An american can't conceptualize that his actions are viewed negatively by others because he himself views them positively.

>>65482936
[irrelevant brownskin chatgpt babbling]

>>65482936
The irony here is your assumption that everyone else thinks the way you do (without even getting to how you were told what opinion to have and wouldn't dare question it).

>>65482969
>when global polling data with a gigantic sample shows that more people think the US is unreliable and untrustworthy than before because of a certain president, that's just like, your assumption man
>when I assert that everyone in the world loves the US and that president more than before, I am an arbiter of neutral and high quality evidence based reasoning
>>65482876
That methodology existed for the previous pew polls. It doesn't make the new results with the same method suddenly """biased""", whatever the fuck you actually mean by that.

>>65481773
>Nations outside the US buying F35s don't buy them because the F35s are the best planes around (they aren't), they buy them because they want to curry favor with the US.
Do third worlders and Russians really believe this?

>>65482118
NTA, but going back to his question, what do you think the temperature is at 20k ft?

>>65477150
the math was right. Crushing bombardier was strategically more valuable than selling super hornets. There was nothing retarded about it. Keep in mind Boeing is an aperture of the US government, and helps do "force shaping", so short term losses benefit less tangible strategic goals.

Those goals are shaped by constraint and possibility, by moving Canada's options around, their future actions can be predictable, streamlined, and controlled.

Same as it's ever been. They are all playing the game.

>>65482118
Are you stupid or disabled? Man, I can't fucking tell

>>65482118
If you didn't have breakfast yesterday how would you feel?

>>65480622
they seem to have forgotten that Canada fucked themselves and began the fuckery with their F-35 order back when trump was still just some rich doofus with a reality TV show.
this was done by canadians against themselves because labour wanted to thumb their nose at the outgoing harper government and trudy had made killing it part of his platform. he even got so desperate that he platformed that retard pierre sprey and his nonsense to "prove" that F-35 bad. this what back when crackpot russian assets were warmly embraced by the left.

oh how the turns have tabled.

>>65482936
>Am I misunderstanding something?
>No, it must be the superpower whose culture and influence reverberates throughout the world who is in the wrong!