Let's fucking go, we're finally doing this shit. https://news.usni.org/2026/09/01/japanese-south-korean-turkish-warships-under-consideration-for-new-u-s-frigate-competition
if they are to go with a foreign vessel, it better not be turkish. the japanese one looks very sexy, and the gook one is ok.of course, that's assuming it's ever going to happen lol
>>65474152Well we all know it's not going to be Turkey
please do not pick the turkshit one jesus christ
>>65474152>again already Frig it!
>>65474152The Japanese I believe are making an upgraded Mogami for Australia, I wonder if they’re bidding that or the basic version? Though I think the South Korean offering probably wins if only because the administration seems closest with their shipbuilders
>>65474186Japan shifted all production to the upgraded model and even cancelled some of the original ships to switch to the upgraded model earlier.
>>65474198Well that answers that then, thanks
>>65474152They really should give up on this path. By the time they take a foreign design and change it to USN construction standards they pretty much started over from scratch.
>>65474203no it wil work this time brotrust me brojust one more design iteration broit doesn't matter that we changed eversything broplease broit's still an off-the-shelf-solution bro
>>65474152The Turkish one would be the most memeic, the Japanese one is probably the most practical considering the Philippines is also getting Japanese vessels and shares a significant chunk of its naval infrastructure with the US.
>>65474222the problem with constellation was that the navy was OBSESSED with making it a destroyer but smol.
>>65474239>the Japanese one is probably the most practicalMaybe... but that conehead will be the first thing to go.
>>65474152Lmao. Where are all the retards who were simping the FF(X)?>no bro, it's a toothless pile of shit, but the Flight II will fix it>no bro, a coast guard cutter is totally suitable>just put a container on the back bro, it's justasgood as actual VLSRIP, losers. >>65474174>>65474176They had the option of picking a design with all the shit they already wanted in the FFG(X) competition and instead went with the choice that did nothing and required the most redesign out of the gate. I have no doubt they will make the worst choice again and totally avoid the option with the most US systems already integrated. No Mogami for USN.
>>65474152American naval yards will chimp out and have this cancelled, just you wait
>>65474174>>65474152The Korean ship is the likely winner since Hanwha operates the Philly shipyard.
>>65474266These have to be built in American yards, if anything the other yards will probably try to partner with Mitsubishi so that they can have it built in theirs.
>>65474249>>65474222>>65474203The key to this working is to slap NAVSEA's hands every time they tried to "fix" the design.
>>65474152How about instead of building new ships, we build new shipwrights and up our production with new technologies and diversify our economy instead of sucking off Boston Dynamics and BAE?
>>65474249Frigs should be cheap reliable and numerous. trying to turn them into wunderwaffen is a guaranteed project failure.
>>65474294SHUT UP THE LINE MUST GO UP, WE DON'T CARE IF NOTHING IS MADE HERE ANYMORE, SOFTWARE IS KING HAHAHA
>>65474294A robot company and a company that doesn't make ships for the USN?
>>65474300PLCs have existed since the 1970's
>>65474266Both the Senate and House have put in clauses explicitly to kill this in their respective 2027 NDAAs. It's not happening.The only reason the Coast Guard was able to do it with the ASC ice breakers is because the PSC is a total abortion that demonstrated the US can't build ice breakers to save their lives. The Navy is going to get no such accommodation since their frigate problems are administrative and not a lack of technical competence.
>>65474152I don't understand why we weren't hiring the Koreans and Japanese in the first place to help build at least some of our ships. We're close allies with the 2 biggest ship builders in the world and yet it seems like we don't take advantage of that much.
>>65474313>mfw this means turknologically enhanced shipyards get built in America instead
>>65474317Because outsourcing critical strategic production is monumentally retarded.
>>65474321>shipyards get builtThey would just partner with an existing American yard, as was the case with every single FFG(X) entrant.
>>65474322>>65474317We are out-sourcing. The new aquistion plan (idk if its proposed or in effect) is that they get to build 2-3 of the series in their country and the rest of the series domestically. Theoretically, that means you could have the first 5 or so done real fast.
>>65474336All existing shipyards are maxxed out. Thats why constellation won.
>>65474294Boston Dynamics are there to reduce crew numbers with automation. Giving them dosh is the right call since they're more likely to bear fruit than another boondoggle that will fail to materialize hulls.
>>65474280Nah>KVLS>Only 16 cells>Proprietary SAM, torpedo, CIWS, SSM>Proprietary BMS>No AEGIS integration>No hull sonar>No ASROC integration>No USV or UUV>No mission bay>Not MH-60 compatible atmCompare that to Mogami>Strike length MK.41>32 cells>Aussie model has ESSM, MK.54, RIM-116, NSM>Already AEGIS CEC capable>Hull sonar>Type 07 or ASROC capable>UUV and USV>Mission bay>MH-60R compatibleThere is literally nothing going for the gook offering.
>>65474313>Both the Senate and House have put in clauses explicitly to kill this in their respective 2027 NDAAsNo they haven't.
>>65474396You are listing all the Korean equipment on their frigate but omitting all the Japanese equipment on their frigate (which will have to be swapped for American equipment anyway).
Until Congress passes a bill that actually funds this, none of this means jackshit.
>>65474321That's why the artillery factory in Texas couldn't make shells after 500 million dollars invested? Turkish machines suck.
>>65474152Hey, I've seen this one before. Wasn't there meant to be a design called the Constellation-class, a class based on a foreign design that we proceeded to redesign into an entirely different ship and thus negate any of the benefits of going with a pre-existing ship to begin with?
>>65474300>nothing is made here anymoreThis is blatantly wrong lol.
>>65474533>You are listing all the Korean equipment on their frigate but omitting all the Japanese equipment on their frigate (which will have to be swapped for American equipment anyway).I'm pointing out all the shit that would need to be swapped on the Korean frigate, but not the Japanese one. Notice how I didn't point out shit like the radars or satcom satcom etc. The AUS standard Mogami already gets half way there when the Korean one doesn't even have a single system that is American standard. Purely taking into account that the navy could do easy maintenance in Australia or Japan with lots of access to spare parts makes it a better buy than the Korean one.
>>65474152The correct answer was always Austal Frigate. Mogami is the best of these but our small surface combatant fleet is rapidly turning into the Indonesian Air Force. I like the Mogami and don't like the Legend, but I think even just buying a bunch of Legends is a better option that starting a new program AGAIN. This means we'll have Freedom, Independence, Constellation, Legend, *and* Mogami all in service at the same time, when all they ever had to do was pick something and build it.
Worst Korea ship is the only one that makes sense - on multiple dimensions - but there is no way to actually have that discussion here so its moot.Also >>65474539
>>65474564Restart Indi, finish the ASW MP, design the DEW MP
>>65474291The problem was never NAVSEA. They already had the LCS they wanted. Congress demanded that they make something more survivable, and FREMM isn't more survivable. So they tried to meet those demands and the rest is history.
>>65474570>he problem was never NAVSEAIt's this asshole again.
>>65474313>because the PSC is a total abortion that demonstrated the US can't build ice breakers to save their livesNo, PSC was always a train wreck and everyone saw it from a mile off. The Coast Guard was required to give VT Halter the contract because their design met the requirements and was far cheaper and supposedly ready sooner, and if the USCG were to pick another entrant they'd have to prove that VT Halter was lying and couldn't deliver as advertised.
>>65474527tl;dr Yes they are you fucking retard. Read the article, little retard.> In draft language of its Fiscal Year 2027 defense policy bill, the Senate Armed Services Committee axed the waiver in an effort to limit the White House’s pursuit of foreign warship construction. The House Armed Services Committee’s draft of the policy bill included an amendment that would prevent any authorized funding from going toward contracts purchasing an American warship constructed in a foreign yard. Lawmakers have yet to release the final version of that legislation.For the House bill, it's H.R.8800 Sec. 1025>(a) In General.--None of the funds authorized to be appropriated by this Act for fiscal year 2027 for the Department of the Navy may be obligated or expended to enter into a contract for the procurement of a battle force ship to be built a foreign shipyard that is to be commissioned a United States Ship (USS) warship.For the Senate, S.4784 Sec. 1019>SEC. 1019. CONSTRUCTION OF VESSELS IN FOREIGN SHIPYARDS.>(a) Prohibition.--Section 8679 of title 10, United States Code, is amended-->(1) in subsection (a), by striking ``Except as provided in subsection (b), no vessel to be constructed for any of the armed forces'' and inserting ``No vessel to be constructed for any of the armed services''>(2) by striking subsection (b);The "subsection (b)" that got deleted is the the Presidential national security waiver Trump used last month to authorize the building of ships in foreign yards.
>>65474580Yes. But there's a difference between knowing the train wreck is coming and having congressional hearings about the train wreck as a thing that exists to be dealt with.>Congress demanded that they make something more survivableThe Navy determined that the LCSs weren't actually good for any military action outside of COIN and they needed an actual frigate to take workload off the destroyer force. They then asked Congress for money and Congress agreed because the LCSs being dogshit was obvious to even them. The Navy never figured out a replacement for the 50 Perry class frigates and they've been getting punished for it since.
>>65474598The Navy have always been the ones defending the LCS concept.
>>65474584>H.R.8800July 22> S.4784July 27>Trump's Finland model waiverAugust 13Like I said, neither the House or Senate added clauses to kill Trump's waiver.
>>65474152Why no Type 31?
>>65474152>the us can no longer even make their own shipsit's so fucking over...
>>65474652If it is an open competition then Babcock could bid their Arrowhead 140 design, assuming they have a US shipyard they can work with.
>>65474661Not beating the allegation of being unable to read past headlines.
>all this anti-ally and moral panic shilling>On top of the obvious “America can’t build anything”kekBrowns aren’t sending their best today.
>>65474652It's half a decade late, double the original cost, isn't any good, and British shipyards are even worse off than American shipyards.
>>65474598>The Navy determined that the LCSs weren't actually good for any military action outside of COINLink itOh wait, you can't because it never happened outside of you hollow skull.
>>65474152>turkshit frigateJesus Christ it's going to be like the factory TX that hasn't produced any shells isn't it.
>>65474152they chose the fremm because it was suppose to have the LEAST modifications involved and the final design basicly made it a whole new smaller ship that nothing was left the same also no no warship will ever be built outside of usa because of jones act and just by that you know the rumors are bogus
>>65474709The Jones Act has no power over this.
>>65474721it is the jones act is responsible for the creation of that 8679 thing (cant remember the exact code) that prohibits the navy to built anything outside of usait only allows ships smaller than 30 meters or something
>>65474729https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/08/rebuilding-the-united-states-navy-and-americas-shipbuilding-industrial-base/Read section 3.
>>65474729Title 10 USC Section 8679. Grants a exception if the President issues a waiver, which was done last month. Nothing says Congress has to fund that plan though.
>>65474757yes i read it and? whats the point being made here?>>65474763very truehowever icebreakers are NOT warships
>>65474152I'd go with the Korean design, besides the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard is currently being run by a South Korean Shipbuilding Company so it makes sense.
Turkish naval engineer here.Our guys won't be able to come to muttland, and fix your already collapsed shipbuilding industry. Turkish companies have successfully built Turkish designed warships in other places, like Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Bangladesh. And we are already building 80+ warships in Turkey. But this won't work in muttland. I also believe Nips and godless gooks in Korea can't help you as well. I worked in Korean shipyard, these fuckers are incompatible and hostile. And they are jews of Asia, and will charge you 100x if your navy comes up with various changes and requests after the contract is signed. Wishing you good luck dealing with those Asian kikes.
Let's not forget that one of the biggest reasons to have a MIC is the economic activity that comes from spending money on your own country. Sort of a twofer, if you will, and building in foreign countries doesn't allow for that so you'd want to keep it to a minimum.
>30th year in a row of the us navy wanting a frigate but being unable to settle on a designembarassing, you should've bought the FREMM and stopped being a whiny bitch
>>65474598The job the navy wanted the LCS to do was a retarded one that hadn't been relevant since the invention of the guided missile, but the hulls themselves make good minesweepers. I don't see why they can't retool them to that role and continue to support them.
>>65475051>>65475064FREMM is too expensive and fragile. Burgers need something reliable, survivable and cheap. They actually need an Oliver Hazard Perry 2
>>65474152just buy MEKOs
>>65474913That's why the artillery factory in Texas couldn't make shells after 500 million dollars invested? Turkish engineers suck.
>>65474152So we can pull the design out of the Trump class out of nowhere and immediately start set up production using carrier dockyards but we still can’t design a frigate?
>>65475106These guys produce millions of projectiles in Turkiye, and export them just fine. But kickstarting an industry in a semi-failed country like US is not an easy job.
>>65474312Is this a Delta P animation?
>>65475081>fragilewhat even is this terminology?
>>65475144If you can sink a ship with this, it's fragile.
>>65475146can this penetrate 30mm of high tensile plating and 15mm of main hull steel?
>turkshit Everyone look at America and laugh
>>65474174>>65474176>>65474179The Turks already pulled off a good scam with the artillery shells, I don't see why they couldn't do a second with ships.
>>65475065>The job the navy wanted the LCS to do was a retarded one that hadn't been relevant since the invention of the guided missileWhich one was that?
>>65474152>oh shit we need a new frigate design and fast>let's see if we can't get a foreign design to work with minimal changes>looks like the FREMM will work >let's just completely redesign it >oh shit it got canceled >oh shit we need a new frigate design and fast>let's see if we can't get a foreign design to work with minimal changesare burgers really that retarded?
>>65475245>are burgers really that retarded?I assure you, the situation is much worse than it looks.
FXXsisters.... Not like this
>>65475245>leaving out the coast guard cutter arc
>American warships will now be overseasGrim, can't get over this
>>65475081>FREMM is too expensive and fragileThe replacement will be even more fragile. Japan doesn't agree with putting such focus on survivability because they think missiles are too damaging
Why not considering France ; ;
>>65475367Burgers need something with ~3000t displacement, cheap to build, cheap to operate but also it needs to be survivable. France has nothing to offer.
>>65475081>it needs to be reliable>it needs to be survivable>it needs to be multi role>it needs to be cheapwell you can't have all of them
>>65475367The FDI, MEKO, Type 31, F110 would all be good fits.
>>65475433I can see MEKO but F110 is too short ranged and Type 31 way too expensive.
>>65474152>US can't build a fucking shipwhy even bother you fucking retards
>>65475245you see it starts with them trying to make a multi-role modular future ship and it only gets worse from there
>>65475119>>65474913Bait or false-flag. Call it. >>65475245What you don't understand is that there are multiple entities at play. Navy didn't want "just a frigate" and tried to turn constellation into a baby destroyer thereby ruining the project. Hegseth has done a good job clearing house to make sure that won't happen again. And to be fair Austin (Bidens sec def) did a good job starting the process to clear house.
>>65475465I'll tell this again. Burgers need an Oliver Hazard Perry 2. The hull form is perfect. Seakeeping and damage control capability is perfect. Keep the mast, upgrade the radars and missiles. And forever fucking go
>>65475367>>65475381As mechanics will say: the French copy no one and no one copies the French. There is a reason for this ancient saying. If you've ever worked on a French engine, you will naturally understand it.
Sorry, but there is only 1 frigate that should be considered by anyone, because it's a beauty.
>>65475484>>US can't build a fucking shipAs of today the USN has about 1,000,000 tonnes under construction. The problem is that we can't build ships. The problem is that the lead time to start up a new ship production line is 15+ years and for the last 25 years Congress and the navy has made the worst possible decisions. So now we're in a rush to spool up new prediction to cover the defects that crept into the industry.
>>65475519If you throw in that dancing weather girl, it's a deal.
mogami mogs
TCG Istanbul is a cute 3.14
>>65475465MEKO 200 has the same range as the F110 as far as I know. And the Type 31 is cheap and heavily configurable, so you can choose the cost, you may be thinking of the better Type 26.
>>65475673I dont agree, there are serious difference in doctrine of its survivability.
>>65475381why ? is american steel somehow superior?
>>65475381>Burgers need something with ~3000t displacement, cheap to build, cheap to operate but also it needs to be survivable.No such thing exists.
>>65474152Wow, what an organic navy thread! There sure have been a lot of them the last few days, definitely not a shilling effort.
>>65476719But it could exist if they would just build the Austal Frigate.
>>65476733Not survivable, not cheap, does not fit the duties required.
I was excited about a military shipyard on the Great Lakes.
>>65475106Wasn't the turks fault really. They made a different projectile using their fancy flow forming process. Army and GD knew that it was - at best - unknown if the process would work for the US projectile shape and material but pocketed the money anyway. There's laws against doing stupid things like this but Congress waived them in 2023.>>65475367The FDI looks OK, but I'd actually go with the Spanish F110.>>65474696>NLOS-LS gutted before anti-swarm mission even existed>DOT&E report 2013>USNI leaked memo in 2015>ASW cancelled in 2022There's only so many ways in which one can tell you that the ship you ordered for permissive duties like COIN, anti piracy or presence missions is in fact not suitable for a contested environment.
>>65476951Got it, you have nothing, and it only exists inside your head like I said
>>65476951The drone mothership role is the only one that can reasonably be considered COIN shit, though. And NLOS-LS was replaced by Hellfires that have proven highly effective if expensive against Shahed style drones on Ukraine. There's no reason to think they'd be any less effective against speedboats.>ASW cancelled in 2022You forgot to mention that this was after it reached IOC, and in 2022 the FFG(X) program still appeared to be progressing and the order for the third hull was placed. ASW was going to be a primary mission for the FFG(X), and so the LCS mission package would not have been necessary were the Constellation program not to have been canceled.
Actually pathetic that somehow the US can't pull this off on its own.
>>65475228The titular littoral combat, or "deliberately scooting into the range of coastal defenses to get hit by a missile or drone."
>>65476981Wasn't that Anon to begin with, but yeah I am not seeing how it'd ever be warship that could be used as anything more useful than a minesweeper in uncontested waters. >>65477078>cancelling ASW after IOC Even worse desu. Can't even pretend it's a tech issue.And the FFG(X) program came into existence 2014 in the Small Surface Combatant Task Force. And in the same breath the LCS buy was truncated. And let's be real here the LCS PM was dogshit. But between not down selecting to the Indi class, propulsion and hull issues or the then non existent mission modules or throwing the keys to the dealer for maintenance, there was plenty wrong with it. Then you had the crewing issue and the blue/gold experiment and finally the thing cost twice what it should have cost to build and wasn't saving money on operating costs because the crew was beefed up. A clusterfuck of a program. Which would have been excusable if the end result would be this super capable F-35 of the ocean instead of a ship that can't do all that much.
>>65476981Not him either, but the both LCS classes are awful money skins and even worse production sinks. They were designed for a role that never existed.
>>65474152>Be US Navy>launch new frigate competition>give contract to Fincatieri, to build a frigate based off their very popular, widely-used FREMM>a few tweaks and she'll be perfect for the USN, they say>five years, thousands of modifications, and billions of dollars later, throw in the towel and cancel the program with only one ship even under construction, and it only 12% complete>proceed to award new contract to Huntington-Ingalls, using a modified version of their Legend-class cutter>mfw we're now looking at ANOTHER new frigate program
>>65477160>Can't even pretend it's a tech issue.It wasn't. There was no need for it because they were supposed to have 20 Constellations for ASW and wouldn't need any LCSes for that mission.>And the FFG(X) program came into existence 2014 in the Small Surface Combatant Task Force. And in the same breath the LCS buy was truncated.Yes, due to external pressures demanding that they build something more survivable and combat focused than the LCS, but that was always a mistake. Trying to build small ships to a high level of survivability is a fools errand and the LCS is already a very survivable ship for its size by any reasonable standard. And the LCS was designed for the roles the Navy needed it to fill, which were not front line combat.>But between not down selecting to the Indi class, propulsion and hull issues or the then non existent mission modules or throwing the keys to the dealer for maintenance, there was plenty wrong with it.The hull cracking problem was just normal teething issues for a new design, it was never a critical issue and it was resolved quickly. I agree with everything else though, and in a sense the extremely expensive Freedom combining issue was caused by refusing to downselect.>and finally the thing cost twice what it should have cost to buildIt's just the first four that were extremely expensive because a significant amount of reengineering was counted into the cost of those ships. The cost came down greatly after those, and by the end both LCS classes came in under the original target cost for hull and mission package even without adjusting for inflation.
>>65477095Ayatollah status?
>>65474757>This “Finland Model” shall be used for up to three ship classes described in subsections (b)(i) and (b)(ii) of this sectionAm I crazy for reading this as they are going to pick 3 different frigates to build? (like how LCS is 2 classes of ship)
>>65477251> Trying to build small ships to a high level of survivability is a fools errandAnd yet the OHP existed.
>>65477251>Trying to build small ships to a high level of survivability is a fools errandStark took two exocets and then sailed 11,000 miles back home to Florida under its own power.
>>65477270Unless its also counting the two ACS classes as part of the waiver? Or maybe they have other ships in mind as well (BBG(X))?
>>65477273>>65477283We'll have to wait and see what happens when someone shoots an AShM at an LCS, but I don't think it will be worse. Yes, level 1 vs level 2 and all, but that doesn't actually tell us anything about what single points of failure exist and how susceptible they are to damage. Even a Burke at level 3 could be instantly destroyed by a direct hit to a fully loaded VLS block.
>>65477283And Sammy B survived getting her keel broken by a mine.
>>65477270>>65477294Read subsection b. It's a frigate, an oiler, and a RORO transport.
>>65477309No we don't, we know it's a downgrade and even worse it isn't designed to defend itself against enemy missiles. Being able to survive a hit should be the last line of defence not the first. All it has is a SeaRAM.
Retard here.Why don't we update the Oliver Hazard Perry design and build those?
>>65477736It used arm launchers instead of VLS, which was the fashion at the time.
I don't get why they had to remove the bow sonar from the fremm. was the shipping channel on the river too shallow for it?
>>65477742Why not redesign it with strike length vls where the arm launcher's magazine was?
>>65477742Could we raise up the platform where the arm launcher was, and put like 32 VLS cells there?
>>65477736>>65477755>>65477756Even if you could modernize the OHP, you'd still have to contend with the absolute state of American shipbuilding.
>>65477736This was going to be the OHP replacement, Europe was Europe and fucked it up.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFR-90
>>65477858>you'd still have to contend with the absolute state of American shipbuildingAmerica doesn't have a problem >building< ships it has a problem with requirements and Congressional fuck fuck games.
>>65474255I'm in the camp of a Flight II FF(X) being decent. I like the Mogamis, but I don't see them being affordable unless the Navy is somehow convinced to buy them straight from Japan. Remember, the cost of labor is much higher in the US since our GDP per capita is literally double theirs, and that's before converting specs to US customary units and the Navy getting autistic about survivability.Honestly my preferred solution would be MMSC, but a cutter with sonar and VLS is fine too.
>>65477870It has both and the two issues aren't mutually exclusive.
>>65477870No, we have a problem building them, too. The East Asians blow everyone else out of the water when it comes to shipbuilding, they're about the only nations left on Earth that still do it at scale.To take just one example, consider some numbers from China. In 2023, the Chinks put 23.5 million tons in the water, as compared to less than 100,000 tons from US shipyards. This comes straight from the Alliance for American Manufacturing. https://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/chinas-shipbuilding-capacity-is-232-times-greater-than-that-of-the-united-states/In 2024, the Chinks made up anywhere between 53% and 70% of all new construction.https://annualreview.brsshipbrokers.com/pdfreader?file=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.pub2.infomaniak.cloud%2Fv1%2FAUTH_7853eb88adcf4eaa95e9908062bcc0b7%2Fbrs-gallery%2FAnnual%20Review%202026 DOT pdfhttps://insights.clarksons.net/2024-shipping-market-review/Now, in fairness to your point, Congress and the Federal government more broadly were alerted to this issue, at the latest, in the first Trump Administration. We are rapidly approaching ten years since then, and have nothing to show for it. I'm sure we could have long and strenuous arguments about how exactly we've managed to trip over our own dicks in trying to revive US shipbuilding, but the US absolutely has a shipbuilding problem.
>>65477950Our military shipyards still do decently.I really wish the connie had worked out, and I still don't understand why they got rid of the bow sonar.
>>65477965True, though I'd rather they be better than just decent, keeping us within spitting distance of Chink tonnage.But the real concern is, as always, logistics. We essentially have no commercial shipbuilding in the US, which means we won't have anything that can be devoted either to overflow for warships, or to just crank out cargo vessels like we did in WWII. That's what will decide a proper peer conflict, and we're on the wrong side of that equation currently.
>>65477965Ones not named Huntington Ingalls or Marinette Marine do okay. We've also got civilian shipyards that are doing fine, such as NASSCO and Vigor.
thread theme:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGBhQbmPwH8
>>65475519Awfully low amount of guns in the drone age
>>65477998They can probably stick a few of those remote 27mm guns on there.
>>65474152>new competitionSo we're not gonna see a single fucking ship until like 2040 and it'll be the size of a cruiser and cost $500 billion, in other words.This country is so fucked.
>>65477950>using the fully loaded mass of cargo ships as tonnage in the water>equating commercial cargo ships with naval vessels at all
>>65478013You aren't even American.
>>65478017Every Perry replacement program has failed, why would I have any optimism now
Its gonna be the Korean ship, they own the Philly yard and are buying Austal USA.
>>65478018There has been 1 program to replace OHP, the Constellation class that NAVSEA sabotaged.
>>65477996real thread theme:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
>>65478025Yeah and that shit went on for a decade and produced nothing. The Navy is now so cooked it's building fucking battlecruisers in the 21st century and you're gonna tell me you have confidence that NOW they can design and build a frigate? Bullshit. It's fucking over. It's Burkes to the end of time.
>>65478019Will that mean the worst corean shill network finally shuts the fuck up?
>>65477867>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFR-90>It's Europe's fault>the US pulled the plug on it why lie?
>>65478056>It's Burkes to the end of time.Well, since they keep trying to put 10lbs of shit in a 5lb sack then maybe a Burke is the new minimum size needed and DDG's should be bigger.
>>65477870I'd argue that's related and downstream. If your military industrial complex is designed for profitmaxxing instead of productionmaxxing this is the only logical end state. The purpose isn't an abstract of "efficient" or "capable". It's just how much money can be taken from taxpayers and put into the MIC. A ship or plane being built and fielded is a nice-to-have.>>65477950In fairness there are a few differences in shipbuilding VLCCs and destroyers, but China, and even Korea or Japan have the workforce. the Navy actually looked at the Kongo way back when and figured out that the Japanese could cut labor by 30% because they had small contractors readily available to do a job.Cross-trained teams own each block or zone, working from one book of drawings and notes. Five union skill groups covered the entire yard. No cleaners; teams cleaned up after themselves. (And this system was actually copied from US WWII Henry Kaiser shipyards)They did Ceramic-backed single-side welding to prevent back-gouging and block turning. They used cherry pickers instead of staging to save labor and they do their straightening at the outfit stage for even less staging required.And remember the Japanese YOLO their contracts. There's no competitive bidding. They go to a prime and allocate the contract and can essentially trust that the prime won't screw them.But this can only be done if you don't throw away your trained workforce like a used cum rag whenever the order book slims down. How? MHI, IHI or Kawasaki are industrial conglomerates. If there's not enough going on in shipping you can transfer people internally from shipbuilding to the turbines, power generation or industrial machinery divisions.America doesn't have that.
>>65477160>>65477178Still waiting for you to actually link it and not run scared trying to shift to talking about anything but what you originally claimed
>>65478019>and are buying Austal USA.Link it.>>65478125>Will that mean the worst corean shill network finally shuts the fuck up?No, it means they get louder and have some new talking points. Enjoy.
>>65478317>No, it means they get louder and have some new talking points. Enjoy.Thanks I fucking hate it already.
>>65475519I feel sad for the guy that does vibration & fatigue analysis for this mast. This shit and installed electronics won't survive for long once the ship goes full ahead in sea state 5 or above
>>65475081>FREMM is too expensive and fragile.kind of a retarded statement considering its never been into combat, like 95% of modern navies.italian naval engineering is good.>Burgers need something reliable, survivable and cheap.in the land where the contractors keep scamming the US govt with overinflated bills and a military leadership that changes specifics depending on how they wake up that day no such thing will ever happen lolthey'd need 200 pearl harbors to unfuck their procurement and realize the MIC is a scam
>>65478162>America withdrew because of changes made to appease Europe, making it a Euro frigate instead of a NATO frigateWhere is the lie?
>>65478317Are you gonna proofster rooster because you couldn't do a basic google search?https://breakingdefense.com/2026/08/hanwha-defense-usa-seeks-to-acquire-austal-usa/
>>65474280I'm not a fan of the radar placement, looks like a single hit will kill all 4 AESA panels.
>>65478310My source is the amount of LCS ships storming into the strait of hormuz as designed for. Glad they didn't just retreat from the region for their key task.
>>65478539It's to get sea skimming missiles, I'd rather have them there than lower. If a ship gets hit anywhere near that region it isn't continuing to fight no matter the radar placements.
>>65478518Honestly, I was thinking you were talking about the deal that killed a few years back. But I was open to the idea that something new had happened. To be frank, I don't get why people get so bootyblasted when people ask for a link (for some obscure info), either you have a source or you are shitposting (in which case you can just own it, we all have a laugh, and then move on). Anyways, thanks, I missed this last month apparently (were there no threads?), we'll have to see if this one is more successiveful than the previous. >proofster roosterI have no idea what this is.>>65478556>Got it, you have nothing, and it only exists inside your head like I said
>>65474152>lets fucking go yes cause they surely gonna cancel the newly signed contract to built their frigates on the cutter design god you people eat the bullshit from usni every time
