I only own a maverick 88 im not that much into guns
>>65483429If you could only own one that's a good choice
based choice get the 2nd hunting barrel too
>>65483429Ok. How do you feel about chicks, cars, motorcycles and bacon?
Don't need nothin' else
>>65483444>>65483440>>65483429Maverick 88 is the goat of budget guns, can't go wrong with one.
>>65483429>I only own a maverick 88Sounds fine. What's the problem?>im not that much into gunsWhy are you on this board then, are you in hell?
>>65485234Fuck you bitch
>>65483429If the perps have armor you might have issues.
>>65485495I live in the suburbs where there is no crime. I just use it for hunting and shooting targets at the range.
>>65485524no crime for now...
That's awesome. You are a cool guy come to think of it.
>>65483429That’s all it takes to be hasguns. Welcome to the peerage.
>>65483429Based
>>65485495>If the perps have armor you might have issues.Was there ever a home invasion where perps had plates? Not talking about LE or glowies obviously.
owning just a pump shotgun makes you worse than noguns imo
>>65483429beware of a man with only one gun, he probably knows how to use it. Now i own more than one gun but i agree with this statement. You dont need huge arsenal to defend yourself. One gun lot of ammo and a practice with the gun and you are ready for any apocalypse
that's about right
>>65485495If the perps have armor you have bigger problems.
>>65486294While I don't have any solid evidence of this, I'm thinking yes; even if we're only talking about once or twice. Never underestimate a niggers determination when they think there's a benefit.
>>65483429Yeah, that's alright. Some people aren't really big into guns, and the Maverick 88 is a good choice for you, cheap, rugged, functional.Shotguns are a good jack of all trades kind of weapon for civilian living. You can hunt basically any land living animal in North America with one 12-Gauge shotgun and just changing your selection of ammunition and chokes, and it's good enough for defense and occasional recreation.Some kind of handgun could fill in a gap by being a weapon you could hide in a bedroom drawer, just in case, and .22s are very cheap fun, but you're still good with just a scattergat.>>65485495Rogue Tyrones aren't widely known to wear body armor, especially not the impoverished crackhead ones who might do something as stupid as break into someone else's home to steal while they're still present. Even if they did, against all odds, then a single salvo of No.4 Buckshot will still remove their head with ease if you have to.
>>65483429Honestly I love my 590 so much, it could be my only gun. Plus a pistol maybe.
>>65489701>plus a pistol maybeThey thought of that sir
>>65489903Kek with a 20 inch barrel and tube. I’d make it work
>>65483429If you're expecting me to talk shit because you're resource limited and you picked a Maverick 88, that's not going to happen. You made a good choice. Congrats.
>>65485495if you have home invaders with armor then you have. a different problem entirely. The biggest issue with OP is multiple invaders and him not going to a range
>>65485495Good luck with that
based single gun owner.
>>65483429The Mav is a classic and oft-repeated recommendation for a good reason. It's inexpensive and just werks. You should also get a handgun for concealed carry though. It's pretty much never a bad idea to have a concealable handgun available. I recommend a snub nose revolver or a small 9mm, or the Bodyguard 2.0 for pocket carry if you don't like wearing a belt and/or untucked shirts.
>>65485495Shoot them in the face.
>>65483429I only own 2Mossberg 500 for bedside gunBodyguard 2.0 as my daily carry
>>65495958Based
>>65483429fear not the man with 1000 guns, but the man who's shot one gun a thousand times
>>65486294Most likely several at this point. Even soft armor is an issue with shotguns.>>65489105Armor is cheap.>>65490633Bro is in 1999
>>65496068anon we all know mav88 owners go shooting one time then get anxious about shooting in public and never go again.
>>65496159>Even soft armor is an issue with shotguns.Even buck? Ive recently destroyed one of my target metal plates (that i use for 9mm) by shooting it just once with 00. Ive learned that cumulative deformation force is a thing.I can't really see someone taking it and keep standing.
>>65496197Shotgun shot is unjacketed lead spheres that move only moderately fast. What you want for defeating armor is small sectional density, hardness, and velocity. All three at once, ideally.Failing that, if a home invader is wearing a fucking vest, first he isn't going to feel that great taking buckshot to the torso anyway (won't kill him, but it's an unpleasant experience, also a pellet or two might stray around the vest), second is that if you shoot him in the head with buckshot, it's still going to explode like Liam Gallagher smashing a watermelon on stage with a sledgehammer.You can comfortably kill a bear or moose with 12-Gauge buckshot or slugs, you're wielding a lot of power even if kevlar is good at stopping it from penetrating.
>>65496168You are a bitch
>>65496197Buck is very easily handled by soft. Kevlar and PE are entirely different from target grade steel.>I can't really see someone taking it and keep standing.Drugs and adrenaline are a powerful combo and the armor does play a role in reducing behind armor blunt trauma.>Failing that, if a home invader is wearing a fucking vest, first he isn't going to feel that great taking buckshot to the torso anyway (won't kill him, but it's an unpleasant experience)Depends on the level and quality of the armor, presence of a trauma pad, and adrenaline / drugs. If you don't know, do NOT ever assume a psychological stop will allow you to negate armor. You have to either hit the guy outside the armor or dump the guy until the armor gives out if you can't outright pierce it first try.Rifle plates will laugh off 12 gauge wholesale, even slugs, aside from specialty hardened steel AP slugs like FIER PAR, which was advertised to get you through most III.The issue is that you really want a rifle to handle rifle armor. Shotguns are at their best against unarmored targets.
>>65496318>Shotgun shot is unjacketed lead spheres that move only moderately fast. What you want for defeating armor is small sectional density, hardness, and velocity. All three at once, ideally.You're not addressing what he's asking about behind soft armor trauma at all. 00 buck pellets are 54 grain at >1300fps. You should be considering momentum, not KE. The fact that this immediatelt takes soft armored people out of the fight is well documented, as is that in the best case with prompt emergency care it still causes life changing injuries.
>>65496531It's relative. See how this guy getting shot with a .308 no-sells it with 1980s rifle plate technology.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5f1Fo4r4_ISoft armor is built to handle pistol abd shotgun threats. 00 buck sucks dick against armor.>The fact that this immediatelt takes soft armored people out of the fight is well documentedCan we see it?>as is that in the best case with prompt emergency care it still causes life changing injuries.NIJ has a 44mm BFS limit for a reason. What cheapass armor are we talking here that causes LIFE CHANGING INJURIES despite emergency care with buckshot?
>>65496550>still using nij 44mm depth measurement in ad2000+26ngmi
>>65496668That's cute, but volume and depth are just two parts. You forgot BFS velocity.>NIJ suxand in spite of it sucking, can anyone show an example of sub-44mm simple BFS resulting in life threatening jnjury or a fatality?
>>65496676>BFS velocityBFS velocity is characterisable by the BFD shape and dimensions, which can be easily and accurately approximated from the volume and depth.>show me someone dying from BFSShow me a single example of someone surviving a point blank hit from 00 buck or slug in NIJ 2.
>>65496720>BFS velocity is characterisable by the BFD shape and dimensions, which can be easily and accurately approximated from the volume and depth.You're failing to account for armor construction differences. Aramid, PE, fiberglass, steel, ceramic, titanium, and any combination of the prior all deform differently and at different rates. This will reflect in the BFS velocity.>Show me a single example of someone surviving a point blank hit from 00 buck or slug in NIJ 2.Bud you had the burden of proof earlier and failed to produce. I already showed a guy comically ignoring a point blank .308 in >>65496550 with Level III. It's all relative courtesy of armor construction and newton's third law. Armor is built proportional to the threat.00 buck is easy shit. Each pellet is a .380 ACP which is more of a level I or IIA esque threat. Slugs are tricky because of momentum, SE, and KED so BFS will be high. To resolve that, you add a thin metallic plate in front of the soft armor. This is standard practice and has been since the 1970s. Modern IIIA panels put on a better show. Hell I've got a helmet that scores under 25mm BFD against 12 gauge 3" slug.I do not understand this fuddery thinking you can brute force armor. Get a rifle if you have an armor issue.
>>65486294According to k, a few weeks back they had a thread trying to convince me that jemarquies is breaking into homes wearing III+ at a minimum if not IV. I like to think they were trolls but I can also envision some schizoed out fucking prepper thinking he needs a 50 as his home defense gun.
>>65496745IVs are extremely cheap lately. About two years back you could buy a pair of Highcom 4SAS4s for $168 a pair. They sold 20,000+ plates in a matter of months. RMA has sold a stupid number of 1155s, the old 8.3lb crappy ones, since 2013 for $200 a pair or less.Armor doesn't really go bad and the amount of it CONUS increases massively every year. You'd be a fool to think gangbangers don't have sets themselves. Even rando companies like Gilliam sell hundreds of cheapo plates.
>>65496738Why do you assume that any of what they present in the video at >>65496550 is true? Why do you assume it's actually 147gr at 2800fps? Why do you assume it's really the armor he claims at all? That man and his company, specifically, is a fraud who later got caught selling defective body armor that didn't meet the spec it had been tested and rated to.>00 buck is easy shit. Each pellet is a .380 ACP which is more of a level I or IIA esque threat.The problem is that there are 8 or 9 of them that arrive more or less all at once. Something like Federal LE from 5 yards is 9 pellets at 1320fps still in a 12 gauge diameter. Point on the chart to where point blank 00 buck will be against any soft armor without a plate for depth vs volume.>Slugs are tricky because of momentum, SE, and KED so BFS will be high. To resolve that, you add a thin metallic plate in front of the soft armor. This is standard practice and has been since the 1970s.>Modern IIIA panels put on a better show. Hell I've got a helmet that scores under 25mm BFD against 12 gauge 3" slug.Most IIIA doesn't meet SG3, which is the standard you're alluding to. Most IV does. Shotguns aren't dangerous against plates, but they are very dangerous at point blank against most soft armor. The former is univerally fuddlored into equating to the latter by you GQ faggots who only know NIJ standards and ignore that most standards around the world have much more stringent BFD requirements for anything that isn't a pistol.
>>65496753Cheap doesn't mean shit. You're seriously delusional if you think the type of criminal breaking into random homes is doing so with armor plates. If someone breaks into your home wearing armor it isn't random.
>>65496864>That man and his company, specifically, is a fraud who later got caught selling defective body armor that didn't meet the spec it had been tested and rated to.The Zylon issue took place literal decades later. You're grasping. I asked you to produce and you flopped.>why do you assumeBecause he had no reason to lie. Jesus, it's a heavy ass Hardcorps steel plate vest. Of course it's gonna handle basic .308 with minimal BABT.>The problem is that there are 8 or 9 of them that arrive more or less all at onceGood thing NIJ is a multi hit test.>Something like Federal LE from 5 yards is 9 pellets at 1320fps still in a 12 gauge diameter.So it's a sorta kinda slug not really. You do realize the only documented through-armor BABT kill was a .45-70 vs IIA, right?>Most IIIA doesn't meet SG3, which is the standard you're alluding to.No, I'm talking about steel trauma plates that have been manufactured for decades. The little 5x7s and 7x8s. C'mon.>who only know NIJ standards and ignore that most standards around the world have much more stringent BFD requirements for anything that isn't a pistol.Bub we regularly discuss GOST and climatic amortization panels with far tighter concerns for BFS than NIJ, not to mention .50 cal plates. You can't even make shit up which sticks.>>65496879Ah yes, cheap doesn't mean anything for demographics driving beat up cars, running palmetto ARPs, turkshit magfed shotguns, and hi points. Cheap has nooooothing to do with it.>You're seriously delusional if you think the type of criminal breaking into random homes is doing so with armor plates.That was never asserted. You're seeing ghosts.>If someone breaks into your home wearing armor it isn't random.That was the actual cause for concern.Some of you REALLY froth at the mouth whenever you see armor brought up, it's kinda sad actually. A robotic response.
>>65483429They call ot a Maverick 88 because it breaks at 88 pumps.
>>65496890Oh so you're a ghetto nigger too or, "Da ops" as they call it. I don't worry about that because I'm not that.
>>65496896>has nothing leftI accept your concession.
>>65489373Has it happened? Almost certainly yes. Are you more likely to get killed by a car crashing in to your house? Absolutely. Is it fun to buy things that can kill both? Definitely.
>>65496900You think you're a lot smarter than you actually are. You're a super autistic, annoying faggot that no one irl likes to be around. Real life Dwight shrute type. Careful or the ghetto swat will come and pop ya.
>>65496900he's nta, I'm indisposed and can't post properly rn
>>65496908>temu navy seal copypastaI accept your concession.
>>65496893I bent your mother over and gave her 88 pumps
>>65496920bro couldn't bust to bonnie blue in less than 88 pumps? cuh had death grip
>>65496924your whore mother is pretty loose wouldnt you say
>>65496937does this involve a curse on youse all?
>>65496519What about aiming slightly lower as a rule of thumb then? I doubt there is a drug out there that let you ignore few pellets in the pelvic area, and if the invader is wearing armor there, that would most likely mean its some kind of glowie kill team and im fucked anyway.
>>65496531>You're not addressing what he's asking about behind soft armor trauma at all.I mean, I more or less was, but I'll admit I just wasn't being specific enough.If taking 7 to 9 hits of 54gr pellets at ~1300ft/s to the gut/solar plexus, even with armor, doesn't incapacitate on the spot, or cause enough pain response that he gives up (let's say he's high off his fucking gourd and doesn't feel it, and doesn't know/care that his sternum and ribs aren't all properly connected anymore), then you could still destroy the enemy readily, because even if he tanks the pain and powers through that blunt force trauma, he still has to recover from that before he can even try to make his return move.(No. 4 Buckshot would probably only be an academical difference at the same ranges and hit locations.)So, then you could shoot him in the vest again, and it's going going to make even further damage that's even harder to recover from (drugs and adrenaline or not), or you could outright explode his melon.The tl;dr is that you're really not fucked with buckshot versus even very good soft body armor.>>65496519>and the armor does play a role in reducing behind armor blunt traumaI guess some, but those impacts concentrated add up a lot, that energy doesn't just all go away and get absorbed into the kevlar fibers, that shit is gonna pack a wallop where it hits.Drugs can make you handle pain and power through injury in the short term, but it doesn't make you a T800, traumatic injuries are traumatic injuries.
>>65497454bud you're way underestimating armor. Good armor goes way under NIJ 44mm and buckshot has shit projectile geometry.A good aramid vest can withstand literal dozens of impacts. Stealth Armor tests theirs to do 15 shots in a 5" circle with high velocity 9mm. That's basic AFC rebranded soft.>>65497014Pelvis protection is thirty dollars off ebay on a good day. You're exoticizing mundane armor in a very "GUESS I'LL JUST DIE CUZ IT'S A GLOWIE" reddit way.
>>65497754Now the crackheads not only have fully loaded plate carriers, they have groin protectors too.You may not like it, you may not agree with it. But, this is what the local junky breaking into your home is wearing.They're so successful at their trade that you only ever hear about the homeowners that routinely shoot and kill unarmored home intruders. The armored tier 1 intruders don't leave a trace of being there, the kills look like suicides.
>>65483429It's okay, I only have one registered gun, too.
>>65497931I love the strawman. A milsurp groin protector is two hours wages at McD's cheap or less. Real easy to get.If gangbangers are going to roll PCs, they'll slap on one of those just for shits.If it switches to straight up terrorism, expect the newer rifle-rated versions and the ballistic skirts to emerge.
>>65497942They don't drive around in beat up impalas anymore either. This is what they drove into the home before pouring out and clearing the building while they grabbed all the valuables.
>>65497976I already accepted your concession that you ain't got shit cuhNow give me a recipe for blueberry muffins
>>65498008I know youre trolling him, but, why do people imagine that a 12x10 plate in the chest will protect them like a HALO energy shield? Chances are that youll shred someones lungs, shoulders, arms, hands, etc making them incapacitated at fighting back... and this is ignoring the fact that a single pellet could still hit the neck, jaw, head and lights out.And with a shotgun... aiming at the head becomes a much more doable proposition at the right distances. Personally I'd aim at the neck so that pellets hit anywhere from right above the armor/clavicle, major veins/arteries, neck, spine, jaw, and as high as the cerebral cortex.If I was a swat dude, the LAST gun id want to face with a holed up intruder, is a guy with a 12 gauge, especially a semi auto one. At least with an AR15 he needs good shotplacement or luck. With a shotgun his shotplacement and luck have a wider margin of success even with a smaller spread at room distances
>>65497754Im not saying that ar15 isn't the most optimal pick for home defense, im just trying to figure out how to get most out of a shotgun if it is all you have, i guess.
>>65498294>I know youre trolling him, but, why do people imagine that a 12x10 plate in the chest will protect them like a HALO energy shield?They don't. This is a weird strawman. Also it's 10x12, nobody calls a shooters large a 12x10.>Chances are that youll shred someones lungs, shoulders, arms, hands, etc making them incapacitated at fighting back.Rule of thumb is an inch of spread every yard. Measure the hallways in your house. Shotguns do not sweep rooms.>and this is ignoring the fact that a single pellet could still hit the neck, jaw, head and lights out.or it's not a CNS hit and drugged up fucker keeps fighting until exsanguinated. Read up on Dr. Fackler and Dr. Gary K Roberts' works on terminal ballistics.>If I was a swat dude, the LAST gun id want to face with a holed up intruder, is a guy with a 12 gauge, especially a semi auto one.If you're a SWAT dude you'll be in full rattle with vest, deltoids, neck, helmet, face shield, and probably an actual shield which will laugh off buck.
>>65483429same but I also have an ar15, ak47, revolver, a modern handgun, and the mav 88 for the shotgun.I just spent the rest of my budget maxing out each gun with the best possible mods and practicing with them.I don't even like practicing with them all that much cuz of the concussion of firearms but do it at least once a month as a chore.
>>65497931>the kills look like suicides.kek, like they're just going to walk up to people and push your own gun into your mouth and pull the trigger because carrying around several pounds of kit gave them super strength, and nobody notices all the extra bullets and shot residue covering your house.Good satire. I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you actually believe what you say.>>65498294People assume it works like games and movies because they have no experience with anything more real than games and movies. Full plate mail was defeated by just fucking bashing their head in through the plate, that kinetic energy has to go somewhere and they can concuss you into dying without ever actually piercing the shell.But as >>65498416 said, the advantage of shotguns in home defense is not spread.It's actually raw force and the way the pellets interact with each other in the moment of impact increasing the severity of the injury.
