I was thinking about the fact that there's no American equivalent to companies like Holland & Holland, Joseph Lang, or Rigby (or like Beretta). Basically the ultra top tier and "fuck you money" shotguns of the aristocracy.Let's say you had to start now ('26-'27)... what would you do? How would you reach such legendary status?
I'd show your mom my legendary status, I'm level 500 in clash of clans and moderate seven subreddits
>>65484765I think it’s dumb to make guns THAT fancy. Same reason I don’t like super luxury cars. There’s so much hassle involved it prices to you out of enjoying it. It loses sight of its original purpose. I wouldn’t want a car so fancy and luxury that I never took it out of the garage.
>>65484782>I'd show your mom my legendary status, I'm level 500 in clash of clans and moderate seven subredditsHey lard-ass, show us how you roll out of your bed
>>65484802from on top of your mom
>>65484792They DO bring these guns out though, usually to hunt birds (like the Brits)
>>65484765>why is there no American company that sells 20 guns a years for meme purposes Those eurotrash companies only continue to exist due to massive government support
That's just shit that richfags and euro aristocrats keep in a glass display never to be used. As much as I love skilled handiwork, fancy guns don't do anything for me.I think I would focus on just making high quality copies of guns that should have been executed properly. I'll make that fucking R51 work AND look good
>>65484908and probably money laundering
>>65484765Bailey Bradshaw. I go to his booth every year at the Dallas Safari Club. Best quality and in novel actions.https://bradshawgunandrifle.com/about-bgrHoenig also used to make a great rotary action double rifle, but he retired. Bailey now makes them under license.
>>65484765there is literally no point in buying ANY gun that costs more than $2kafter that the diminishing returns are so minute you're just paying for the ability to wave your dick around and say "I own a Holland and Holland *hoitey toiety posh highbrow upper crust laugh*"want to shoot buffalo? buy a used winchester in 375, not a $80,000.00 double barrel nitro bullshit
>>65484765>companies like Holland & Holland, Joseph Lang, or RigbyThose companies operate at a loss. Their owners are wealthy enthusiasts who don't care about turning a profit; they just care about the prestige of what they do. Treat those companies like what they are—cool passion projects, not serious businesses.
Lie to my investors and make the Halo shotgun instead
>>65484940>Those companies operate at a loss.I don't think most people know what that means anymore, or care even if they do know
>>65484958>I don't think most people know what that means anymore, or care even if they do knowWell, the layman might not, but the people operating these companies know. They often need to pull money from their successful ventures (of which they make sure to have, or else they end up not wealthy by the end of it) to then spend it on these passion projects that bring them joy.
>>65484765Check out Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing Company. If you want a $30K shotgun, they will make you one. I know nothing about their functionality, but they look terrific.(connecticutshotgun.co)
The embellishments are a damn impressive art but are there ever any unorthodox manufacturing methods any of the manufactures use as a gimmick. Like a firearm clad entirely of silver? A stock made of walrus ivory? Drawings are worth what whatever someone is willing to pay but precious materials are precious materials.
>>65485000Yes. Blaser always does something interesting. Their S2 double rifle had a tilting face with a locking lug at the top that would mate with a cutout in an extension above the barrels as they close. Prinz has a hybrid falling block break action called the No.1. Johann Fanzoj uses a ton of composites and titanium. Longthorne in the UK has billet barrels. Beretta’s “steelium” (awful name, great product) are a proprietary steel alloy that are cryo-quenched for crazy strength. Peter Hofer, who’s booth I try to go to when he’s at the Dallas Safari Club, also incorporates a lot of tech into his guns. Like a round counter for servicing alerts, GPS in the stock so you can keep track of it while traveling internationally for hunts. Stuff like that.
>>65484936>i dig around in the dirt, know the price of everything and the value of nothing because I dig around in the dirt and am poorYes we can see that.
>>65484971>30k>Made in USASo it costs a lot, and Mexicans still made it anyway. "American made" is such a crock lol
>>65484765I'd make a two-lug Krag-Jorgensen for modern cartridges. I'd also make a higher quality version of the Ithaca Mag-10, but with an advanced extra long forcing cone, slight overbore, and a modern long choke tube system designed to pattern very hard shot. We'd offer factory TSS loads for it - 2¼oz of TSS #BB @ 1450fps. You'd be able to drop geese at 120 yards.
>>65484765No point in making super high end presentation grade guns and limiting your customer base. You'd be better off making high quality mass production guns and making a limited edition run of high end heirloom guns to showcase the overall brand. At least that way you can make a profit by having wider appeal and being approachable for average gun buyers.
>>65484765I think it'd be pretty difficult to do it. There aren't many of the sorts of skilled craftsmen that you'd need left in the world, and almost all of them came up through apprenticeships at those existing high-end gunmakers in Europe and are dedicated to their companies. Company history and heritage are also large selling points for these companies and I'm not sure a similar operation could be successful without it. If I *were* trying to do something like that in the US, though, I think I'd focus on more quintessentially American guns instead of trying to compete directly with the Euros. Leverguns done to similar standards could probably be quite successful and I could see bolt action rifles in common American hunting calibers and setups working as well. There might be room to do really fancy semiautos and handguns as well, and hell, I even wonder if super luxe AR-15s could be a thing.
>>65485000>Like a firearm clad entirely of silver? A stock made of walrus ivory?They'll make whatever you're willing to pay for, or contract someone else to do it if they lack the expertise.
>>65484792Poorfag detected.
If I had a gun company it would be a combination of Q and Kel Tec. I don't think there's anything new to be done in fancy guns that stay in a case
If I had a gun company it would be Los Armalitos Hermanos. The AR Brothers. Today we carry on their tradition that would make my five illegal workers proud. The mystery meat ingredients are brought together out of spec and JB welded together. Then we clamp on a chode brake to perfection, yes, the unemployed ways are still best at Los Armalitos Hermanos. But dont take my word for it, one squib and you'll know.
>>65484765>How would you reach such legendary status?>buy H&H, >gen ai videos about the "mystique" and "glory" of owning an H&H>secretly move company to Turkey>rake in pre orders for anniversary model at 1/3rd off>declare bankrupcy>keep the cash, duh>sell/ransom company back to king charles at a profit>fuck you all!I win.
>>65485168Peak Jewish behavior lol
>>65484945I'm a machinist and I half-seriously have plans to do shit like this. If I can ever get the investment together I'm gonna start a whole business that just makes real versions of sci-fi guns, along with over the top "concept" guns for conservative companies who want showpieces or rich guys who like really expensive tacky bullshit, like dragon or skeleton themed ARs and shit (but done to a really high standard), like what the American Chopper guys did but with guns and without the bullshit TV drama.
>>65484792>>65484910>>65484936>>65485075I don't mean to talk down but this sort of product truly isn't for you, and you're FAR too poor to understand it. This sort of thing is for people that are so fucking rich that $30,000 or $100,000 might as well be 50 bucks. These are the people that within their social circles, if you are openly into the hobby and you don't have something on this level, you are going to be looked down upon and possibly ostracized to a degree because of all your friends and acquaintances do. This is way beyond whether something is even remotely worth the money, and almost completely about unspoken social order. If you've ever been stressed about the price of ammo even once in your life these products aren't for you. The people that buy these would see you, and without a single word, would instantly know you are not and never will be one of them. If there had to be an American equivalent for guns on this level, it would simply have to be bespoke revolvers or lever actions. Something that evokes the history and feel of the American west. Turnbull Customs level color case hardening. Longhorn hide scabbard/holster included. Grips and stocks made from native hardwoods like Arizona ironwood and Oklahoma black walnut. Accents with natively mined silver and turquoise. You get the idea.
>>65485262Epstein Class Firearms
>>65485262I'm not reading your retarded essay
>>65485262ThisThese are "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" type guns
>>65485262>all that money and still worried about what people thinkIntensely gay. I'll stay poor, thanks.
>>65484765Why the fuck would I do that? I establish a company to make proper replicas of historical firearms.If they're going to be prohibitively expensive, they're going to be that way because of the ordeal it'd take to actually set up production to make them.Gustloff Volkssturmgewehrs with actual manufacturing standards? Why the fuck not, I'm apparently obscenely rich.
m1 garand in retarded calibers. .375H&H, 500nitro, etc.
>>65484792kek my friend makes like... really good money. Private corporate law. Not "rich" exactly but things are nice.His wife bought a used older Murcielago, or however it's spelled. Because the price was right and it was the entry level to that kind of thing they could kinda afford.The hell they could. It's got more expensive wrench time and shit than a goddamn F-35. When it goes away for the winter (not that they can drive it much lol "value") it has to get bolted on to these fucking axle things like fancy jack stands. It's a financial terror.
>>65484877picrel
>>65485262>I don't mean to talk down>proceeds to talk down for the entire manifesto of a postWhat a clueless fucking retard
>>65485333He's not a richfag himself, he just worships them. Surely you don't think a person like that is capable of not being a retard, right?
Provided that success is a given and I wont immediately go bust, probably going to try and become the Blohm and Voss of guns, making weird ass shit that's first goal is to make the viewer wonder what the fuck theyre looking at. For our first product we're doing a sten-style layout but its gonna have a recoil lock arm opposite the mag and its going to look really stupid
>>65484765>there's no American equivalent They exist except they're all $10k custom 1911s/2011s
>>65484765>no American equivalentThat's because American society is an order of magnitude less class conscious, so there's less market for gun as status symbol within the upper class than there is in England. And partly because to the extent the American upper class did want such guns, it's mostly for hobnobbing with English aristocrats, so it must signal appropriately to that audience -- which inherently gives the established English makers an edge over an American upstart. (Keep in mind that the big American manufacturers did in fact have custom shops capable of finishing their guns to any desired level for an appropriate price.)>Let's say you had to start now ('26-'27)... what would you do? How would you reach such legendary status?You just won't.In addition to the reasons it's not happened already, the market for gun as status symbol is not expanding. You might conceivably make some money selling your own twist on fancy guns, but it's the wrong century for making that kind of name.>>65484910>That's just shit that richfags and euro aristocrats keep in a glass display never to be used.Perhaps these days, but the whole point, like any status symbol, was to display them to others, and you can say "Come over to my place and we'll shoot some pheasants", whereas you can't say "Come over to my place and gaze enviously on my display case". That's half of why gun as status symbol is a thing to begin with, the other half being that guns had, at the time, a whole lot of room to make them more expensive with plausible gain in function as well as aesthetics. On a certain level, of course status symbols are about spending money just to spend money, but you must never _look_ like you're spending just to spend. Spending on aesthetics alone is perilously close to spending to spend. But if you spend to get lighter barrels, more complicated and ostensibly stronger breech locking, AND over-the-top embellishment, you've got the necessary plausibility.
>>65485327wife make similar income or is this a trick to get an asset when she inevitably divorce rapes him?>valueNot driving an expensive car is like not having sex with your girlfriend so she's more valuable to the next guy. Fuck outta here boomers are dying, gen x needs to look after their investments, millenials and zoomers don't have assets and can't buy expensive cars.I almost guarantee she bought that car so she can bolt off with Brody with ~150k should husbando lawyer been smart enough to protect assets.
>>65485386Being verbose doesn't make it seem like you have class, it just makes you sound like a communist or salesman, a huge faggot either way.
>>65484765>like Holland & Holland, Joseph Lang, or RigbyRevive classic Safari cartridges and rifles for them. Polymer budget versions, and partnering with specific guides/companies. Make hybrid and Backcountry or whatever alloy rated versions in whatever's selling the most in those for the midrange options. Make Tim Sundles the spokesperson.
>>65484940H&H is owned by Beretta Holdings and Rigby is owned by L&O holdings (same company that owns Blaser, SIG, and others).
>>65485025Cool, glad to know it’s not all just huffing farts like other non-gun high art
>>65485057Just make the one lug bigger
>>65484765I would see if I could get Miroku to make them for me. H&H ain't shit.
>>65485188Jews are better at investor fraud than that
>>65485713>JustIf your suggestion begins with that word, you're both uneducated and retarded
>>65485219The bullshit tv drama would make you more money. Do some of that throwback 2010s reality trash and self finance anon. I believe in you.
>>65485283I’ll take a 22lr vers. Properly scaled down of course.
>>65485725Just take it easy man
>>65485262>Know a guy>He gets a 30 000 dollar watch for his birthday from his father>Bitches about how it's not the 50 000 dollar one he wants>Happy ending he talked to his father and got in contact with the shop and they exchanged it once 20 000 dollars changed hands>Said he was looking at a 80 000 dollar watch for next yearRich people, man.
Recreate historic firearmsI'd have reproduction-tier that are basically just 1:1 repros, a bougie line that add some fancy hardware, finishing, etc. and a custom line for boomer retards to piss away their kids' inheritance Sharps Creedmoor, Single Action Army, M16A1, BAR, etc.
>>65485654>H&H is owned by Beretta HoldingsIt was bought by Beretta (in 2021 iirc) after the previous owners had operated at a loss since 1981. Before Beretta it was owned by perfume company Chanel. Still, everything I said in my previous statement is true.
>>65484765Model 1881 Vetterli in .44mag
>>65485743And they'll always wink and say something retarded and out of touch like>money is just a "tool"
>>65485283I would definately go for the drop in 9.3x62 Garand bbl.
>>65485726I was actually almost on a reality show, used to work at a race shop in the LA area and we got an offer. The owner knew a bunch of people in the industry and they told him to run away screaming from it though. That TV bullshit actually makes you shit for money by the way, you usually don't even get paid for doing it, the Graveyard Carz guy is on youtube now and has talked a bunch of how shit the deal was.
>>65485846I suppose this was in the era before “exposure” but the boost in Pawn Stars’ foot traffic was enormous.
you can't compete with h&h without a time machine. even if you make guns that are just as good they won't be as prestigious because you aren't old. if you make them just as good but sell them for less then you will be seen as a poor man's company.>>65484921>rotary actionlike a lc smith?
>>65485743What do they do
>>65485924Tell time i assume
Cabot Guns exists.
M1 carbine in .223 rem that takes stanag mags
>>65484765USA doesn't really have the culture of>rich aristocrat with gunsbecause USA didn't have the problem where only nobles and certain other individuals were allowed to hunt. USA is more >cowboy larping with SA revolvers>wild prarie hunter with a trapdoor rifleKind makes it dumb to try and do such a thing because of it.
>>65484765When you’re looking at luxury stuff like this it is almost impossible to recreate the hundred+ years of status associated. You would have to run this as an extreme high end passion project and market it as art moreso than firearms manufacturing.Bespoke measurements for perfection are a given but even beyond that I would focus on extreme high quality pieces with each gun being 1/1 utilizing rare materials and master engravers. Then I would copy Ferraris policy of limiting buyers of my limited runs when I do start producing them.>Gentlemen>Introducing the Roosevelt and Leopold Arms Corbett Series>A .450/.400 Nitro express double rifle utilizing the finest East Indian Satinwood, an increasingly rare species of the subcontinent known for its distinctively striped and orange pattern>Only 50 of these will be made with individualized engravings detailing Jim Corbetts adventures battling the Chambawat Tigress and Leopard of Rudrapayag>All steel manufactured using Precision Closed-Die Forging and hand finished to perfection>Hand engraved by master craftsmen Ezio Auditore and Leonardo Lamborghini>The Paleo Hunter Series>.577 Nitro Express Double Rifle>Utilizing an Osage Orange wood stock (dietary favorite of mammoths) with stunning engraved plating of mammoth ivory and petrified wood blah blah blahYou get where I’m going with this. Nobody is shooting this shit but Duke Archibald Teabottom of Dumbcaster would buy it as a conversation piece.
>>65485919The barrels in the firing position are superposed (over/under). To unlock the action you rotate the barrels to a juxtaposed (side by side) position. This unlocks the barrel extension of the enormous locking lugs built into the action face. You then break the barrels down like a break action rifle, causing the ejectors to eject the spent casings fo reloading. Getting the rifle back into batter is the reverse of opening. George Hoenig retired and stopped making the guns. Bailey makes them under license now.
>>65484921Over embellished, that is not attractive.
>>65485056Post funs
>>65488011It’s whatever the customer orders.
Lame answer but to me function > form first and foremost. All these modern high end guns are style over substance in the worst ways. Look at this fucking Beretta. I love Beretta, they make nice shit. But this? Take away the Devil May Cry/His Infernal Majesty ass artwork and it is a basic bitch Beretta. Now there's nothing wrong with a basic bitch Beretta in and of itself either. But a high end custom, IMO, needs to have significantly more time and effort spent into the fitting and finish of the base gun pieces. Not that everything needs to operate like a 2011, maybe you overfit the frame like old custom 1911s so that you literally polish them down by firing. But the tolerances should be slim to nonexistent if possible. Milling and machining should be crisp. All surfaces and faces perfectly smooth. I want a fucking STGW57 but make it a pair of toggles in the bolt carrier group, with .000001mm of deviation, I want the beer keg charging handle to fit perfectly into the dust cover groove. The trigger should break like glass every time, etc. You see where I'm going with this? I want the bluing to be perfectly consistent on top of that already perfectly smooth receiver finishing. >And then, when that gun is mechanically as well-made as you can possibly make it, THEN you can add some pretty elements. Guns are tools, a high end gun should be a high end tool, not a basic tool that looks pretty. Look at the actual good old high end guns, or the things made by people who use guns for a living you'd get from say Garden & Son Piccadilly like the 4 barreled howdah pistols. Could they get ornate and elaborate? Sure. But even if not, there is a baseline construction that far exceeded normal manufacture. And it feels like the world has forgotten what true craftsmanship is at the cost of surface level flash and glamour.
>>65486686Can you make it a pump action? That would be cool.
>>65488302>And it feels like the world has forgotten what true craftsmanship is at the cost of surface level flash and glamour.I just like sparkly shit, ok?
>>65485219If I ever get rich, one of my pipe dreams is basically to fund a minor cottage industry of machinists so I can give some guy 100k in January and tell him to surprise me with something in December, like whatever he's always wanted to try conceptually or to make something super complex. I've always wanted one called the triple-redundancy gun where it functions primarily like a roller delayed blowback shooting suppressed 6.5 Swede. But if I take off the suppressor or need more of a boost, it has a gas impingement tube like an AR that hits the top of the BCG a la a Ljungman/AR to help activate the rollers. And if I wanna work it manually? I can press a lever or crossbolt and now the handguard acts as a lever action to manually cycle it. Oh and the top is actually a Pederson style toggle as the bolt moves back regardless of how it is actuated. Is any of this practical? Not at all. It is added weight and complexity and cost. But if I had the money I'd kill to have some stupid fun gimmicks for that autistic part of my brain that loves the clicky clank of machine parts moving.
>>65488323I hope you'll get rich one day and post the results here
Is there any real difference between the fancy British gun makers in terms of quality and prestige? Holland & Holland, Purdey, Rigby, Boss & Co. and Westley Richards all seem kind of interchangeable to me, except for the fact that Westley Richards is based in Birmingham, rather than London like the rest. I know they all have their own proprietary designs, but is the level of craftsmanship basically the same among all of them?
>>65484765Diamond encrusted MP7
>>65490368Westley Richards is more known for their double rifles (specifically their drop lock) and their magazine rifles. They can do shotguns like everyone else, but the rifles are probably the best from the UK. Holland and Holland and Purdey are similar in that they’re considered the most traditional and better known for their bespoke shotgun's, but can also do double and magazine rifles (but not as well known for them). Longthorne is known for their modern manufacturing and their billet barrels. Rigby isn’t the same company as the original by ownership getting passed around, but is currently trying to get back to its original roots. Their rising bite double rifle is cool, but waaaaay overpriced. They always have extensive safari themed booths at sporting conventions, so it seems they’re trying to pursue that safari hunter market niche. Regardless, they are all “best” quality, hand-fit down to a few thousands of an inch or less for all parts. My cousin inherited a 1980s Purdey shotgun from my Uncle. The metal finish was a little worn and there were some dents in the stock. He called them up to ask what it would take to restore the shotgun. They asked some details and sent a courier to pick up the shotgun and returned it to him in factory-fresh condition in about 3 months at no cost to him. They told him something like “the cost of ownership was already paid for when the gun was purchased” or something like that.
>>65484792>check out luxury cars at expos and shows>not much above mid-level trim of commuter cars for fifty times the price>performance isn't even impressiveI'm pretty sure the people who buy such things are not intelligent.For premium firearms you have status items such as impressive hardwood stocks, nickel plating with art, all handmade and to a quality controlled standard. A rolex of shotguns? Okay, but Rolex, Omega and other premium watches were technically impressive and had warranty and repair services. That said, Rolex, Omega etc, were high end watches that boomers could afford, they were not financially unobtainable. They were relatively cheaper 70 years ago.You can buy $4k AR-15s that look outwardly similar to a $500 PSA AR-15. It isn't all looks and hardwood.Ever known a camera nerd who buys a $1.5k or more expensive camera every few years? I've known a few.
>>65490406>I'm pretty sure the people who buy such things are not intelligent.they're doing it for the badge, and the manufacturers know it
What would a $10,000-$20,000 AR15 be like gentlemen?
>>65490402Thanks for the informative post, anon. Your uncle must have been loaded.
>>65490455AlBeMet Receiver with AerMet internal liner and AerMet bolt carrier group. Stellite 5R barrel with radial flutes for heat dissipation with a copper-aluminum alloy heat sink built into the barrel locking collar. Carbon fiber furniture. Inconel muzzle device and suppressor. Match trigger. Every component is hand fit to less than 1 tenthousandth with polishing stones. And that’s to start.
>>65490455a $1000 AR
>>65490577Yeah. At the height of his career, he was general counsel for an enormous company you most likely have heard of.
>>65484765Reproductions of crazy German WW2 guns with modern materials and techniques. FG42, luger etc.
>>65488323I'd definitely love to have a business on the receiving end of something like this, especially because I'm the wannabe engineer sort of machinist. This also reminds me that something else I'd love to do is try to revive and refine some of the really interesting abandoned prototypes that I've seen Ian, Jonathan Ferguson, etc. show over the years.
>>65490406>Camera nerd>Buys $1.5k camera every few yearsI would kill for those prices. The new Mk3s are $3k just for the body. Throw a new 24-105mm lens in there ($1450), a 70-300 ($700), Adobe ($420) a year, and go ahead and budget another $500 for bags, batteries, cards, flashes, pouches, caps, straps, etc. For a new Gucci kit you’re looking at $6000 easily and it doesn’t even kill anything.
>>65490455Transferable Machine Gun with the UBGL and ammo.
>>65490578Impressive parts list. >>65490588Yeah it would RUN like a $1000 ar but how would you market a boutique Armalite to people who visit the private islands of their friends on weekdays >>65490895Right forgot to preclude the features that would actually legitimize the price
>>65484765Same thing every American company does. Import some turkshit, laser engrave eagles, stars of David, and dragon dildoes onto it, then have several microns of the finest gold plating applied.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned Griffin & Howe.
>>65491019They're more Parker-Hale than Purdey.
>>65491019>>65491345Still sexo.
>>65484765I wouldn't, I'd pander to the ultra conservative pro 2A anti woke crowd and make them think consuming my shit was the patriotic thing to do while secretly funding planned parenthood with the profits
>>65491350Well yeah you wouldn't kick a Parker-Hale rifle out of bed but nobody's getting killed over one.
>>65491356hey I called dibs on those goyi-uh, gonsumers first >>65490976
>>65491356>espouse patriotic sounding pretty words>kill 400,000 niggers per yearWin-win
>>65484765You need the people with the skiis and they are rare and only gain them from decades of experience. It's not like some scam .com,crypto or llm startup. Assempling even the raw materials like correctly cut and seasoned root walnut blanks would take years, let alone the workers. Serious European gunsmiths go through a very long apprenticeship in a guild system, which is quite neoptistic and they are going to be very hard to find.
>>65491356And what has your political spew about your deep commitment to killing innocent children got to do with the thread topic? Nothing.
>>65484908more andom nonsense from someone so retarded it's hard to understand how they leared to read
>>65484908>Those eurotrash companies only continue to exist due to massive government supportT5hat's utterly untue but somone as thick as you will believe anything really and repeat it.
>>65491587Oh no of course not but I think spending the kind of money needed to make luxury firearms is a waste anyway.
>>65484792>>65484908>>65484910>>65484936>the barely sentient cattle offers its point of viewinto the trash it goes.
you want>mastercrafted by hand instead of mass produced slop>wood stocking and good metalsinstead of polymers>silver/gold/ivory engravingsinstead of fancy opticsit shoudl also have above average specs because quality should reflect that too,
>>65491601and why would anyone give a fuck what you think have you have no time for peak gunsmithing? Here's your (you) you can fuck off now. You are the decline in the IQ of the internets on display. Fuck off back to plebbit.
You really can't. The popularity is based on colonial era safari books and stories you can't replicate today. It's all 80% name. 10% massive hand labour cost that adds nothing to the actual function of the gun. 5% actual beauty of the piece and 5% price tag that guarantees no poor person can join the club.
If you want pure functionality with double guns, then $11k-$15k is where you get the most for your money. The $30k+ guns have all of the money in insane woods that look like tortoise shell, hand engraving that takes literal months, gold inlay, and more customization from there. Olympic clay shooters almost always use Perazzi MX, Beretta DT11, Krieghoff K80, and Kolar Max series of shotguns, with an occasional Blaser, Cesar Guerini, or Renato Gamba showing up. Most of these brand’s competition offerings are in the aforementioned price range.
This is more a question of luxury sales then about guns. They're sold as pieces of jewellery, not to the best shooters, but to people who want to spend money on jewellery. Factors in luxury sales?Can anyone purchase them or is there some kind of shit test. So a gimmick might be that you only sold them to people who could actually hit clays, because that would be likely to shit one rich person enough that another rich person would buy one. And this would also make them personal pieces, if you bought someone else's it would have their name on it, so every rifle would have provenance and none could really be counterfeit.And all of that is really just bait, to anger a really, really rich person to trying to duke your system and for example, send a straw buyer. So for example if they were only available to Olympic medallists, you'd have to be rich enough to send an Olympic medallists to straw buy you one. A common feature of weapons like this is that they contain a medallion which in itself has significant value. It's for the man who buys the gun to give to a woman, because she knows there's only one per gun. So you're sort of given her million dollar status for the value of the badge. And it means "my boyfriend has a shotgun". I actually sewed a glock keychain on my wife's socker hat, she didn't even notice, as far as she's concerned it's just the brand of whoever made the hat. But it's a strong warning to other men, who probably do know. And I'm going to say that these probably do exist in the US, you've just never seen one.
>>65484765You know those Chinesium cut-to-order parts fabrication services where you send in the schematic along with payment? That, but specifically for replacement parts for C&R/discontinued guns. Maybe do grips/handguards/stocks as well.
>>65492130In Europe, hunting can be a much more social occasion with a lot more ritual. Being invited to a driven hunt or a bird hunt doesn’t necessarily just mean showing up and being good natured, friendly, and social. It means you are potentially being invited to a social and professional network to see how it goes. This means you need to come with the appropriate attire and firearm. It can be a serious professional stepping stone for some. If you’re a younger professional, you won’t be expected to bring a Purdey, Fanzoj, or Lebeau Courally. But for some more established people, your firearm is not only a flex, but a visible demonstration of your potential value to the network. It’s like glen gary glen ross where alec baldwin talks about how he drives a BMW 7 series while some of the sales guys drive hyundais.
Flintlock and percussion guns. Smoothbores, rifles, and pistols. Everything needed to shoot and maintain the gun included.
>>65491670>adds nothing to the actual function of the gunEver handled one?>>65492130>you'd have to be rich enough to send an Olympic medallists to straw buy you oneFat lot of good that would do with a bespoke gunmaker anon. You know they're fitted, right? If you're buying new, you can fucking shoot and you enjoy it. You've probably considered having PHEASANT DESTROYER embroidered across the back of your Tweed jacket.>>65492445> how he drives a BMW 7 series while some of the sales guys drive hyundaisThis is a pretty good illustration of why it doesn't work in America. In reality the sales guys are in the beemers and a US audience maybe wouldn't even recognise what the boss man is driving/driven in as a car brand. Like rap negroes wouldn't spend a grand on a pair of boots that'll fit like a glove and last 20 years, but they'll do it in a heartbeat for some mass produced plastic trainers with the right logo glued on.
>>65484765All guns would have> American flag print on entire gun> brightly colored barrels and other components> Gadsden flag> spartan helmet and "MOLON LABE"> punisher skull> "We the People..."> "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"> TRUMP 2028> MAGA> Picture of Trump with "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT"> "FAFO"> "A warrior In a garden..."> "Christ is King"> Mjolnir> "Forklift Certified"> "All gave some, some gave all...."
>>65490406>mpressive hardwood stocks, nickel plating with art, all handmadeThis somehow reminds me, another custom gun idea I've thought about in the past is rifles finished like guitars, with things like sunburst finishes, fancy binding, and so on. On the flipside I also think guitars finished like high-end guns could be cool too.
>>65488323My plan is to make a men's only club called "the temple of the second", it's actually just a recruiting front for my domestic terror organization with the intention of getting all gun restrictions removed and the constitution amended to make it treason punishable by death to infringe on the second amendment in any way. Step two is solving the domestic foreigner problem.
>>65493003You're about 30 years too late for that one. Or 230 years, depending on how you define "foreigner" in the US context.
>>65492445This is an excellent description of why Europe has a dysfunctional economy: The overregulation isn't to hobble uncompetitive businesses, it's to protect them from competition for the old boy's network.
>>65493162Step two is gravy, step one is the real battle, and it'll be a dirty fight
>>65493308Without step 2 step 1 is just Randy Weaver 2.0.But then again, 230 years late. This is what the US is now.
>>65492737Arguably worse cringe than 2000s-era anodized/skeletonized everything. At least then they were trying new things, attempting to push the AR in an era where that was just then starting to become possible. Excessive iconography, on the other hand, is just... so fucking gay.
>>65491392How about just Parker
>>65494391That's based on rarity, not quality.Not that they're bad, but it's also not like a copy of Batman No. 1 stops being bad writing shoddily printed on paper one grade above arse wipe and turns into fine art just because somebody will pay a lot of money for it.
>>65484765Make guns that are unavailable in Europe (AKA semi autos) so they can't compete with you
>>65484945Make the mag tube fire able too, for emergencies. It's not even that hard because the shells are facing the right way already and are in a roughly 12ga cylinder
>>65484765Cater to the more money than brains guntuber crowd and make high quality oddball shit like an MG42 pistol in 9mm or something.
>>65494483Except they aren't piss poor shotguns functionally. Parker Bros was used professionally by Annie Oakley after she got famous.
>>65494499If there was a market they'd already be made, even if for export only. Manufacturers and dealers aren't on the same legal footing as private buyers.
>>65494529I didn't say they were piss poor, I specifically noted they (probably, can't say I've handled one) aren't. However they're not top tier and I'm 100% fucking certain they've not been refitted to their current owner, in the same way nobody's idly leafing through Batman No. 1 with a bag of Cheetos.As for Annie Oakley I'm sure she was a natural good shot, but that's a celebrity endorsement and showbiz is full of shit. She didn't know a damn thing about fine gunsmithing. Shilling isn't a new thing.
>>65494207Keep preaching your new normal message, anachronism is the spice of what you want life to be
>>65484765I would make a cheap, durable, reliable flagship product and then use the proceeds from that to start a luxury line like every succesful luxury business. Starting out catering to higher-end consumers is a surefire way to go bankrupt. You need a foundational business of middle-class normies to subsidize your high-tier line.
>>65484792the people who are buying these guns are so wealthy that there is literally no difference to them if they buy Holland and Holland or Kel-Tec
>>65496355Not true. Kel-Tec isn't an investment and won't look after your guns beyond your lifetime. Buying Kel-Tec (let's assume they have a functional sporting gun that you could in theory take to a shoot) is probably going to cost you more on a long enough timescale.
>>65485327There's a reason Porsche 911s have a reputation for being a dentistmobileThey are probably the nicest, highest performance cars that you can buy that don't have a 1:1 ratio of maintenance to driving.I get that 911s aren't necessarily better than Boxsters because there is only so much improvement you can eke out from the rear-engine configuration but Porsche really doesn't want to admit that rear-engine is inferior to mid-engine, which is why they put so much effort into the 911
>>65498784>nicest, highest performanceDepends how you define those. If you're a clueless prick who just wants to show off, sure you're probably going for the Porsche. If you're into going fast on a reasonable budget and know what you're about the default choice is something downstream of a Lotus Seven, a Caterham for instance.
