The greatest SMG debate.Also, do you have any submachine guns you like?
Thanks for making this topic OP. There should always be a submachine gun thread on /k/ Catalog(pcc tards *stay out*)
>>65485306My MP5 is my favorite but I've been having a lot of fun with my DOE SMG I finally finished.
>>65485306>do you have any submachine guns you like?I love this little retard
>>65485471QRD on these, specifically recoil and cleaning?
>>65485306SP5 with subsonic ammo is pure butter.
>>65485633That's not a submachine gun.Start a separate PCC topic OP thread if you want to appreciate 'pure butter' or whatever
>MP5 Navy version>some consider it the GOATwhy?
>>65485653Down where it's wetter, down where it's better, take it from me
>>65485653Aesthetics mostly with some practical upgrades over the old SEF MP5s. Threaded barrel included with the 3 lug, Navy trigger housing with ambi selector & pictograms, and A3 stock.
>>65485636>busting out this tired response in the age of FRTsSad.
>>65485749>muh Fag Retard Trannystart a FRT or PCC threadthis OP topic is submachine guns
Anyone like the UMP?
>>65485306All the negatives of a rifle, and all the negatives of a pistol, all in one mediocre package.Wowsers how hekkin neato
>>65485932No one like the UMP, not even HK like the UMP
>>65485948Delayed roller 9mms are so damn smooth. You either haven't shot one or are too challenged to understand why they are loved.
>>65486021No one cares, it's still just a pistol caliber.
>>65485624They're blowback 9mm guns, so they recoil a bit more sharply than .223, but hardly bad. Less cleaning, since no gas system.>>65485749FRTs only reason to exist is to attack the NFA so that true machinguns can be deregulated. They are kinda shitty when compared to real automatic weapons.>>65486034It's just an--ACK!!
>>65485624Also, the Colt SMG is generally pretty reliable. Uses a copy of the Uzi magazine, different notch cut out and also has a LRBHO, so if you cut a new notch in any Uzi magazine it'd work in the Colt SMG, and if you cut a new notch in a Colt SMG magazine it'd work in an Uzi.Like any full-fun 9mm, it's enjoyable.
>>65486044That is, for feeding, the LRBHO tab won't do anything in an Uzi. Though I guess it'd be cool if someone converted an Uzi to work with it, then you wouldn't need to rack the bolt after swapping mags, just like on a Thompson.
>>65485932>>65485964I think it's gtg in .45 ACP what it was designed for.
>>65486047After I found out that Mini and Micro Uzis fire @ 300 to 600 rpm faster than the standard Uzi, no longer thought they were cool
>>65486034Plenty of uses for pistol cartridges in CQB situations, and at ranges under 50 meters.
>>65486254>no longer thought they were coolthe standard ones, or the mini/micro ones?
>>65486254Mini Uzi is a lot faster than the Uzi, but there's way to alter the cyclic rate (also the compensator cuts help regardless, just practice trigger control some). Micro Uzi is the one that's actually full retard and dangerous if you don't know what you're doing, the stock barely helps.So here's a converted Uzi pistol registered as a transferable MG. Hold on fucking tight.
>>65486351All of them. Uzi is too heavy
>>65485799But you don't even own an smg.
>>65486457They're not THAT rare, there's I think over 170k transferable machineguns total on the American registry, and they get traded around. Many hundreds of thousands more sample ones. Aside from the fact that you could still get a rebuilt Sten parts kit for like $5000 or less just 12 years ago or so, I've seen people post transferables and even sample ones on /k/ before.Here's a transferable 1928 Thompson which an anon posted some time ago. Complete with a rare 100rd drum.That's not even counting some foreign collectors, there's a Swiss anon who has an extremely impressive collection of various cool weapons, some which are fully automatic weapons and cannons. That guy is on the more serious and extreme end of collectors, but if you have that kind of licensing in Switzerland (which isn't that difficult for them to get), then getting just AKs and old WW2 era subguns isn't hard. Since they have no kind of Hughes Amendment thing, and only those guys can buy the full-auto stuff, it's outright cheaper to buy a milsurp full-auto AK than a semi-auto commercial one, and there's quite a lot of old Papashaws and MP40s on that market too.Last but not least, we have the people who are employed in some sort of military or police service in places where they still keep some old subguns around (basically as old reserve arms). They wouldn't be owning those guns, but they may well have done a bit of shooting with them and have familiarity with them.There's also the criminal elements, but let's not get too fedposty.
>>65486493If I recall right, anon said that it wasn't one of the more common West Hurley Thompsons, but actually an old one, like an original Auto Ordnance, or maybe it was a Colt made one, so presumably he's rather wealthy.Aside from rebuilt Stens, there's old Reisings, and then the various MAC M11s and M10s, which used to be especially cheap for a long time, until Lage started making slow-fire uppers for them, making MACs actually more nice and desirable MGs.
>>65485306they are very fun to use
>>65485622How reliable are the mags because that's a long ass double stack
>>65485633Try using grip tape because then you can tell your mags apart in the dark, and they don't slide out of pouches.
>>65485932I've fired a full auto one right after an MP5 and it was fucking terrible in comparison. It shakes you around so hard your eyes blur and you can't see shit while firing.>>65486445I have also fired a Micro Uzi and I can confirm it's insane. Fastest thing I've ever shot, fucking thing was like 1,300 rpm. I ripped a quick burst and shot the steel target carrier and almost hit the ceiling. I was expecting some recoil but that thing was nutty.Anyways, I'm getting an SP5k next week. It's gonna be fast and quiet. I need to order an 80 degree locking piece though. My body is ready.
>>65485306My favorite by far.>AP5SD conversion by HTA>B&T barrel>B&T 12" SD Suppressor>ASD lower>runs flawlessly with even the shittiest of 115gr ammo>all subsonic tooThe only downside is the cleaning.
>>65486714My PTR91 is a nightmare to clean, roller delay is cool and all but it is so fucking dirty.
>>65486767My SD gets fouled up every 500 rounds. Cleaning isn't that bad though, since it's mostly just cleaning the ports and the bolt. If you don't let it sit there for days, it wipes off pretty easily.
>>65486445>So here's a converted Uzi pistol registered as a transferable MG. Hold on fucking tight.buy a fucking ad Ian>>65486493>there's a Swiss anonhe's been confirmed IRL as a fudgepacking homosexual though. who cares what he has or thinks?
>>65486665Nobody really knows, those things never existed outside of Czech trials.>>65486846I'm not having sex with him, so I don't fucking care.
>>65486846>buy a fucking ad IanNot understanding this one. Has he showed one of those at auction recently?
>>65486672>and it was fucking terrible in comparisonChecks out.>>65486846>he's been confirmed IRL as a fudgepacking homosexual thoughLike you?
>>65485636>>65485799Eat shit and die.
>>65485948>all the negatives of a pistolSuch as?
>>65486493Lot of words to say>No, I don't.
>>65487285(You) first
>>65485306YORE DEAD FREEMEN!
>>65485306sexiest gun ever
>>65486042i've got a AR 9 with a Colt mag lower and a 10inch barrel on the upper, along with a nice muzzle brake and a B&T hydraulic buffer. i'll tell you what... nothing snappy about that recoil.
>>65487419>tfw Carter will never sit on my face in this life
>>65485932Honestly underappreciated. While the shooting experience isn't as nice as an MP5, it's got a lot of other advantages than it that gets ignored.
>>65487291Inferior accuracy over great distance
>>65487939Many post-World War II submachine guns are sufficiently accurate for 50-yd fire and even have adequate sights.>great distanceNever what submachine guns were designed or intended for. That is why rifles exist
>>65487939Henry at 9 hole has a video where he's hitting at 200 consistently with an MP5.
>>65485306the king will always be MP5SDit's also the quietest & most comfortable to shoot.I also like the ingram but that's just for vibes, not for comfort.
Threadly MP5 appreciation post
>>65486767My AP5K is easy to clean. Germans like to be ran dirty anyways
>>65487448>tfw Linda Carter will never sit on my face in this life
>>65488056
>>65485636You've probably never even fired an actual SMG, retard.
>>65489262I have, retard. Start your own faggot 'muh pcc' derp thread topics and stfuFucking fags are worse than the frt fags
>>65489262Anyone can just shoot one at Knob Creek, Battlefield Vegas, or the countless rental ranges which let you shoot one.
>>65486665The collapsing stock model had shorter mags, IIRC around 40 which is on par with Beretta M38, so I wouldn't worry. The solid-stocked ZB47 held somethink like 70 rounds on the mag and since the company was trying to persuade the army to convert to a 9 Luger clone with a straight-walled case they probably ran into, or at least predicted some issues... But even the longbois worked good enough with regular 9 luger to pass army testing, getting beat by CZ Strakonice SMG prototypes cause they were cheaper and better.
>>65489266You started a thread for a class of weapon no one has regular access to and then screeching like an autistic weasel when people want to talk about the civilian versions they have access to. Why don't *you* find another thread to be a faggot in?
PM-63 is probably my favorite.
>>65489340I am not the OP>'n-no one has regular access to'Does anyone have "regular access" to stealth fighters or main battle tanks? Fuckbrain
Am I allowed to post here?https://files.catbox.moe/ptwp3s.mp4
>>65489592Based af. How do you like the rarebreed?
>>65489621I really didn't want to give money to Raregreed but unfortunately, I don't want to deal with AS Designs and their bullshit anymore. Their MP5 lower and super safety would have probably one malfunction every 60 rounds and the rate of fire was insane, close to 1000 rpm without a suppressor. AR-HK looks like another stinker that's been delayed a million times and it's got a stupid ass set screw so I just got a RaregreedThe Raregreed has genuinely had 0 malfunctions in about 270 rounds of FRT firing. I wanted to eliminate any variables so it's exclusively been Blazer Brass 124 gr through HK mags and with no suppressor. Rate of fire seems to be about 850 rounds per minute which is close enough to the 800ish rounds a minute an MP5 is supposed to do. I just like that I can use a normal grip and a normal selector level instead of a stupid ass cross bolt safety.
>>65489357You wouldn't believe me, but I'm probably one of the few people on this entire board that used to have access to all three (2 and a half, trained on tanks but never used in a real-world scenario.) And anyone surprised that niggas want to discuss semi-auto civilian versions of SMGs in an SMG thread is just a dumb faggot nigger retard. So there :P
>>65489665You fart fags are faggots. There is a contaiment thread already on the Catalog for you trannies, stay in it
>>65489821>You fart fags are faggots.they're banned in your state, aren't they?
>>65490116What state is that?
>>65485306Obligatory
>>65490575New America
>>65485932For being a mostly plastic gun it ain't bad but its always going to be compared to the MP5. My main gripes is that the stock is fairly long (an ass hair longer than the MP5 A3F stock fully extended) which means using irons requires you to scrunch your shit awkwardly for a positive sight picture. Obviously, not an issue using red dots or holographic sights though. Also the mags are fucking long thick sticks of plastic regardless of caliber because of the universal caliber nature of the UMP. The big pros are having an AR-15 style bolt catch for last round bolt hold open but still including the MP5 style charging handle notch, that its a very clean gun with minimal down time for any sort of cleaning and lubing, and it has plenty of pic rail real-estate for mounting stuff.The trigger on F/A UMPs isn't that awesome either but if you are running a clone at least swapping in the USC FCG will give you a decent upgrade overall over stock.
>>65485471These have grown on me and kind of want. >>65486044I like the Colt mags, cheap and reliable. Took a little tuning with buffer but now runs good. When I started as an early 90’s cop, our SWAT, DEA and DSS all had the Colts. >>65485799These are most sexy
>>65490657thanks anon, which caliber UMP is this about?(or all 3 of them, if so which one is most preferable)
>>65491582What I said pertains to all 3 calibers really. I assembled my gun using a .40s&w HK UMP parts kit, S5 receiver, and HK USC FCG. I find this to be the best bang for the buck option for someone who wanted the platform but wasn't chasing a nostalgia clone. >45 acpThis is the caliber most folks want due to video games. As such the price for HK made parts is about double the .40s&w variant. What do you get for that money? 25 round mags and the worst recoil out of the 3 calibers. Only upside is aftermarket 45 barrels can be bought with threads for suppressor usage. The US made parts kits are hit or miss and might require some tinkering to make it work right. USC conversions are an option too but has its own drawbacks compared to just using a HK parts kit and aftermarket receiver.>40 s&wSince 45 is the popular one the price on the .40 s&w HK parts kits is fairly decent and usually half the price of 45acp. You'll get to use straight mags for "the look" but they'll hold 30 rounds instead of 25. Recoil isn't as bad as 45 acp but if your coming from a MP5 its still a very noticeable muzzle rise in comparison. Little aftermarket for the barrels so your stuck with the HK flared barrels for muzzle devices of which B&T stopped making suppressor adapters for it years ago so bird cages is about all you can mount to it.>9mmYou get to use the cheapest ammo out of the three calibers but your mags are curved like a MP5. The biggest drawback is that HK made 9mm kits for the UMP are rare in the US and cost way above even 45 acp kits (if you can even find one) so your stuck with US made barrels and bolts which don't have the greatest reliability. Recoil should be acceptable but since its blowback its no MP5 either.
>>65491608The .40 S&W, aside from having the right aesthetic, feels like it's worth it on the point that most people ignore that caliber now, and it's easier to find it during ammo droughts. Good reserve caliber.>so bird cages is about all you can mount to itLooks kind of cool though, which matters for a gun that's going to be mainly about style and collectability.God, what a mediocre gun overall though. Could you imagine how much worse it'd be in 10mm Auto? When the MP5 did larger calibers, it did 10mm, and it did it smoothly and in style.
The DOE looks cool but sorta sucks
>>65491608Thanks anon.>>65494458>.40 S&W.45 ACP is the only chambering I'd bother with for the UMP.>'smoothly and in style'MP5/40 is the way to go (10 mm is pointless, just get-build an HK 53; no firearm has ever been chambered in 10 mm 'smoothly and in style' it's a blaster round, and has been permanently made obsolete by rounds such as .300 Blackout in SBRs / short barreled select fire rifles. 10 mm is only for people that want to bother with it for handgun hunting and long range handgun target shooting; even for that it's been made obsolete by 7.5 FK. It's a dinosaur 'power handgun' round conceived in the boomer 60s-70s days of magnum revolvers<--which are still valid of course for you guessed it, handgun hunting and long range target shooting).40 S&W is an excellent pistol chambering and the best most effective one for the MP5, although of course 9 mm is the classic OG round for that submachine gun.
>>65494458>most people ignore that caliber now, and it's easier to find it during ammo droughts. Good reserve caliber.Pretty much the only reason anyone should own .40s&w guns these days unless they stumble upon a great deal (which is usually LE trade-in guns). I have a USP 40 and M&P 40 as well but have 9mm slides/barrels for both that I usually use now.>>65495138>.45 ACP is the only chambering I'd bother with for the UMP.Its thoughts like this (and 9mm aficionados) that make the used .40s&w market cheaper for the rest of us. So a legit un-sarcastic thank you for sticking to your preferred caliber.
>>65495557>.40s&w(You) didn't read the last part of my post. I'm a moderate fan and proponent of .40(my remark about .45 ACP was only specifically solely exclusively pertaining to the UMP alone by itself: "for the UMP." Also, because that's what Heckler and Koch designed the UMP from paper to be chambered in)
>>65495973I did read it and my comment pertains to your only wanting the 45acp UMP. You are not alone in this sentiment and it makes the .40s&w kits cheaper for the rest of us. Thanks again.
>>65485306I want a modernized Suomi Kp/31 chambered in 7.5 BRNO.Especially if she had 60-round coffin maga as standard.I need to know how fast 7.5 goes from a 12" barrel.
>>65496186I really dgaf about your pledditsimp theories of 'muh ______ is thus cheaper' or what you spend your allowance / spare hobby time onMy goal is an actual from-the-factory Heckler & Koch UMP submachine gun in .45 ACP (not to 'build' one)>>65496360this is actually a good idea
>>65496386That is a lot of words for "I am a poor faggot and get butthurt really, REALLY easily". You ain't gonna buy shit. You know. I know. You are just a manlet raging like a retard in Special Ed class. Straight pathetic bitch shit. So for the last time: Thanks for keeping .40s&w kits cheaper for the rest of us. :)
>>65496795Go back
>>65496795Nta but only a retard would build a UMP in .40
>>65496795>40 short & weak>Not even 10mm>Can't even handle 10mm when aided by a stock and foregripIshygddt
>>65496801>>65496802>>65496818lol cope harder
>>65485306MP7/P90 bottle necked round concept is king. Any conversion that may exist too especially if it's like 357 SIG which does even better out of a longer barrel I think a guy read over 3000 PFS on a chrono out of a carbine. Why not have better feed reliability and rifle power velocity and even less recoil and be able to blow chunks of meat out of a target with magic little magnum power like bullets?
>>65497426Dam look what I foundhttps://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5k-barrel-357-sig-threaded-1-2x32-with-3-lug-gunsmith-special/I bet tha is a hopeless project by the fact its coming straight from HK for under 50$
>>65495138SLCP sure seemed to love their MP5/10s.
>>65495013How so? I was going to get a DOE but settled on an MP5 being next.
>>65497479what-who the fuck is thatMP5/10s beat themselves to death/40 is far better and more effective submachine gun
>>65498151Salt Lake City Police, specifically their SWAT units. Do you have anything to back up your claim that MP5/10s beat themselves up, or is that something you just say because you want it to be true, to justify .40 Shitty & Weak?
>>65498166checked, do (You) have any documentantion of the SLPC claim? No LE agency on Earth uses MP5/10s in year 2026>muh s&weak(You)'re age 15 and have never touched a female human being let alone a firearm. 18 is the minimum age to make an upload to this site
the Southern Poverty Law Center uses 10 mm MP5s?
>>65485306The first firearm type since the invention of smokeless powder to actually go obsolete. Shotguns, bolt action rifles, and revolvers still have some uses, but there's legitimately no situation in which an SMG is better than an equivalent length carbine anymore.
>>65499410>actually go obsoleteExcept it's not
>>65499439for the low low price of $3000 you can have a shitty stocked pistol with one of the worst triggers ever made, intentionally retarded barrel so you have to buy a proprietary suppressor, and magazines that crack when dropped from waist height onto hard surfaces
>>65499439If you do >>65496360 's idea, you could have a 92gr pistol cartridge flying at 3,000 fp/s, since 7.5 FK BRNO is 2,500 fp/s from a 6" barrel.I'd argue it'd be far superior to carrying around 5.56 NATO.
what's it with germanic firearms manufacturers and making expensive cheap guns?
>>65499447>incoherent babbleThis is a submachine gun thread.
>>65499448>7.5 FKyes I already concurred his idea was a good oneActually an 85 percent scale clone of picrel chambered in it would be fine
>>65499363Oh, so that's a no then? The MP5/10 doesn't beat itself to death. I did however mix up Salt Lake City PD's SWAT with FBI's SWAT, but they did love them, they just don't issue them anymore.
>>65499511That'd be cool. I'm imagining an AR18 style action, and then either a grip-fed magazine, or a bullpup layout, and with 7.5mm Fucky it would brutally mog both the MP7 and P90.
>>65486304I remember the F1 :^)
>>65489357>Does anyone have "regular access" to stealth fighters or main battle tanks? Fuckbrainyour spergout here is equivalent to someone talking about their privately owned T-54 in a tank thread and you going "fuck off" to them.
>>65499912It was in reference to 'not being able to discuss' weapons-machines-devices that aren't generally available to the public: (You) have a T-54 in your garage we presume a priori *in order to discuss the pros and cons of that AFV* ? <----(Your) words: >>65489340>"weapon no one has regular access to" <----We can talk about whatever the fuck we want. want to discuss semiauto PCCs? Start your own seperate OP>>65499892we'll accept your concession
>>65489357You can buy deweaponised versions of those if you’re rich enough. Probably wouldn’t be able to actually fly the fighter but you could own one a tank too
>>65486454>why is this all steel gun from 1949 heavy
>>65500020It's too heavy, even compared to 1940s-50s submachine guns
>>65489357Honestly, we shouldn't have those dumb tanks plane and ship rhreads since nobody owns one
>>65500022The only other smg I've shit was a ppsh which felt just as heavy. Theyre all fat pigs dude
>>65500037I was broadly implying the Sten, M3, even MP40Uzi is Thompson-tier heavy
>>65500042The m3 and mp40 are heavier than the uzi thoughThe sten is half a pound lighterI think the mag in grip design and short length just makes the uzi feel more unwieldy
>>65500003not me you dumb nigger. go fill out the jannie application so you can delete replies that don't meet your highly scrutinous standards
>>65500070>not the /k/ screencap psychopath reverse stalker brainlet mom's-basement-dweller tardhelmetwearer, again
>>65500065>heavier than the uziNope, don't think so.>unwieldyIn shape, form (aka "ergonomics") the Uzi is easier to wield point and shoulder than magazine-in-front submachine guns. It's the weight that makes it bricklike.
>>65486454Uzi really isn't bad at all, it balances very well for being an open bolt blowback gun. Part of the reason it's also pretty easy to shoot compared to many of its kin.>>65500042lmao, shut the fuck up you bullshitting mouthbreather. The Uzi is about 7lbs, meanwhile, the Thompson is fucking 10lbs for the simpler, shorter, and lighter M1A1 model, and it has considerably worse ergonomics and balance.
>>65500342>Nope, don't think so.Google it you fucking retard
>>65500479>>65500398>Uzi is about 7lbsWrong.
>>65500507Post your uzi on a scale then
>>65500513With a full 25-round magazine the standard OG Uzi weighs between 9 and 10 lbs
>>65500507The full-sized Uzi weighs about 8.8lbs loaded with 32rds of 9mm Parabellum.The Mini-Uzi weighs about 6.9lbs when loaded with the same 32rd magazine.The M1A1 Thompson weighs 11.3lbs when loaded with 30rds of common 230gr .45 Auto, and it does this with much less barrel length and no folding stock options. The older Blish-Lock variants often had longer barrels and weigh just slightly more, and with a 50rd drum of .45 they weigh a lot more, and the rare 100rd drums would make for a LOT of weight.I actually love the Thompson (especially the M1A1, it's fucking cool), but you're just fucking wrong and retarded.
>>65500507Youre right. The uzi is heavier than 7lbs. But is is STILL lighter than either the M3 or MP40Uzi - 3.5kg=7.7lbs (source: IMI UZI 9mm Submachine Gun INSTRUCTION MANUAL)M3 - 8.15lbs (source:FM 23-41)MP40 - 3.97kg=8.75lbs (source:Die Maschinenpistole 40: Beschreibung und Handhabun)All weights unloaded
>>65496891I like mine but I almost never see anyone talk about it.
>>65499896Why would you want to ruin it by making her grip-fed? Þe original Kp/31s 60-round quad-stacks were extremely reliable, more-so þan her 20 and 30-round double-stacks, oddly enough. If we can, we should have 60 rounds as standard.Spring and magazine tech has improved dramatically since þen, too. Þe 60-round quad-stack mags for my AKM þat haven't had a single malf once, and þey're not even from a "good" manufacturer.I guess you could make her a bullpup, but I personally don't like þem.t. >>65496360>>65500398Wood stock UZI is sexo.Didn't know UZI had a bayonet.
>>65501490>ÞeStop this.
>>65501490>original Kp/31s 60-round quad-stacks were extremely reliableThat is the opposite of what Finnish soldiers reported at the time, the 50rd (not 60) quad stack mags were finicky and didn't work nearly as well as the 72rd drums or the later 36rd sticks.
>>65501226>minea select fire from-the-factory PMX?
>>65502494I wish.Just the civilian Burger model.
>>65500535The Thompson barrel is a 1/4" longer.
I just want a modernized MP-40
>>65485306I spent about $700 on a PSA PX9 4" barrel model, Maxim RDB setup, big ID handguard flush with a trilug, and threw an HS403 on it. Fun as shit actually, 18" OAL, and as much as I'd ever want to spend on a pistol caliber carbine or SMG.
>>65487448I love the optimism expressed by your "this life" caveat.
>>65486493You'll have to forgive me if I consider an FRT subgun's owner far more authoritative on the matter of submachineguns than you. Seeing as how they are functionally the same thing
>>65504676>they are functionally the same thingWrong.back to (You)r containment thread
>>65505100>I suck dicks and enjoy itWhat a sad little cocksucker. lol
>>65498037Just recoils like shit. Despite being only a 9mm it somehow has a worse recoil than a 5.56 because it is direct blowback. It's very apparent when you shoot it back to back with the MP5, which is absolutely buttery smooth and a joy to shoot.
>>65504027>4" barrel I have never understood getting an SMG or PCC with a pistol length barrel. A machinepistol maybe but those are just for fun. I want 8 - 10" just like momma.
>>65505617>2x dicksucking replyYou do not belong here
>>65485306
>>65506168also see ---- >>65486304
>>65505781
like playing Half-Life
>>65506228Da fewtcha iz NOW
>>65506289
>>65506291ai-generated?
>>65503225And the Thompson is still massively bulkier and heavier than the Uzi.
>>65506168>>65486304To this day it saddens me that the Ozzies gave up after two attempts at making an in-grip submachine gun. Last time, third time was the charm, after all.
Seems like I'm the only one who loves the Vector. I have one in 9mm and the recoil impulse in semi is so good. I don't think she's really heavier than an MP5 either, just a bit more front heavy. I'm waiting for a better FRT than Duality Arms because that thing seems like a piece of shit.Also got an Osprey coming for mine.
>>65506612I've fired it in full and really hate it. Just fires way too fast.
>>65496802Why?
I love my MAC5 MP5 clone with Leber V2 lower. Always a favorite of all my friends. Great range toy. The thing that makes me laugh is when people try to still defend sub machine guns as usable tools. Once they figured out how to properly time a short barreled AR-15, the sub machine gun class of weapons became totally obsolete. .223 Remington is far more lethal than 9MM Luger, and it also will travel through less walls.
>>65506760Depends on what application you're looking for, sometimes you WANT more penetration, hence greentip 5.56mm, but you also can't really make a 5.56mm or .300BLK carbine the same very short and compact size that you can make a pistol cartridge SMG.Now, this kind of weapon isn't a frontline infantry weapon anymore, but I can still see appeals in compact but easily controllable automatic weapons.
>>65506618According to the designers, its operating mechanism is (somehow) supposed to mitigate for the higher ROF.>way too fastIs it .45 ACP? That's what the OG design was
>>65506760>totally obsoleteWrong.
>>65506760It's a "toy" because you were too cheap to get a fucking AP-5 and instead opted for the cheapest and most dogshit MP5 clone with the cheapest and most dogshit FRT that can barely finish a mag and makes the rate of fire completely bonkers. Show how little thought you actually put into thingsShut the fuck up
>>65507607The AP5 is not better than the MAC5. They're both Turkish shit made by the same company.My MAC5 has literally had ZERO failure to fires or failure to ejects. I installed the Leber V2 before ever having fired it (bought it new). It worked on super safe on the very first magazine. I just did the proper upgrades and tuning to it first.They're absolutely toys, even the SP5. You're a complete and absolute moron if you actually used it in a real combat situation over an AR-15. There's a reason no serious armies of police forces use pistol caliber rifles anymore.
>>65507881>They're both Turkish shit made by the same company.Mertsav is a subcontractor of MKE. They make the MAC while MKE makes the AP5. So no, not the same company ya reddit spacing ignoramus.
MP5 chads, what's the best optic/setup for the MP5 that isn't obstructed by the front sight post ring??I love the look of the low-mounted aimpoint pro, but hate how the sight gets in the way. It also looks ugly raised up a bit to get the ring out of the way
Seems like the MP5 is universally loved by almost everyone.Anyway, how's the MP5K?
>>65510252In my opinion it's the more practical but less fun MP5. Little more recoil, little more cramped, there's a technique to using the charging handle if you have an optic mounted in a normal spot but it's really fucking tiny and it's still a reasonable length with a big suppressor on it. Can find a decent 147 gr and used that as subsonic ammo instead of needing specialty 150/158/165 gr stuff
>>65510608Are those full auto?
>>65511032If anything they have a raresneed installed
>>65510252Honestly I’d rather have 2 MP5s than the mp5k. Like the other guy said- it’s cramped, more recoil, and the F/A ROF is a bit too quick
>>65512010Get a 90° or 80° locking piece for the K to slow down the rate of fire
FN P90 is one of the few options of near-rifle firepower with the other SMG advantages (recoil, compactness, lightweight and available), especially since 5.7 ammo became popular.Short barrel 5.56mm wins over SMGs in everything except ammo weight/size.
>>65512029What about the MP7?
>>65512038Not for sale to non police military so it might as well not even exist. Why bring it up if you can't even own a civilian semi auto one?
>>65505781>SMG or PCC with a pistol length barreMore common than you would think. The additional barrel length has diminishing returns especially for a close-quarters weapon that might also be silenced. Also by using a full-size pistol barrel you simplify manufacturing by using an existing part or toolings
>>65512047
>>655120295.7mm still isn't that amazing from a carbine barrel (you aren't gonna get that sweet SCHV cavitation), and 9mm Parabellum ammunition generally has the same weight per round as the typical weight of 5.56mm NATO, so that's a rather minor difference by itself.>>655120384.6mm is just slightly worse. May as well go for a larger bullet, ergo the MP9 (which is even smaller than the MP7 and P90). The one exception I could see to this would be a 7.5mm FK chambered PDW
>>65512038Where are you buying 4.6x30mm ammunition? Also the MP7 is a more traditional machine pistol shape.The 9mm SMGs are all about it being a well known, ubiquitous, cheap round that does well enough.The .45acp is either a historical holdout or you're staying subsonic, so might as well get wide.5.7mm gets an ammo capacity advantage along with better lethality than most pistol cartridges, on account of it not really being a pistol cartridge..300blk is HATO 7.62x39mm that lends itself well to being SBR.9x39mm is spetznaz shotput.5.56mm is because the devs have a HATO bias. It is unfair that it works out of 10" barrels.
>>65512058I'm pretty sure those all-copper hydro-knife bullets are ballistics gel min-maxing that has nothing to do with real wounding.
>>65489345that thing looks like a wild ride that I do not want near my face
>>65512058Don't know where the fuck my my post went but bottle necked rounds are a thing because they possess hydrostatic blasting effect on tissue. A 9mm in comparison is a joke.I wish I could find the video of a guy shooting 357 sig liberty defense ammo out of a rifle length barrel. That velocity was sitting around 3000 fps. That kind of velocity would make a man get raped and get aids before exploding into bits
>>65512198>but bottle necked rounds are a thing because they possess hydrostatic blasting effect on tissueFirst, hydrostatic shock and remote wounding is bullshit made up by people who don't know what cavitation actually is or how it works, second, whether or not a bottlenecked cartridge is going to actually do this depends HEAVILY on how it's actually loaded. You can make a 30" barreled bullpup in 7.65mm Parabellum and it's not going to cavitate for shit, that bullet just will not go fast enough for that.Third, this likewise goes for the FN P90 and H&K MP7, neither 5.7mm nor 4.6mm is going to produce cavitation at all, they are not going fast enough, which makes their small and light bullets a disadvantage. You can make up for that though, with more projectile mass, like 7.62mm Tokarev, .357 Sig, or 7.5mm FK>357 sig liberty defense ammo out of a rifle length barrelWhat a shock, the much more powerful cartridge with the bigger and heavier bullet from a long barrel, performed better than a 5.7mm carbine, it's almost like you're making my point for me about how 7.5mm FK Brno would make a much superior SMG/PDW cartridge.
>>65512054Bullshit
>>65512244It just cleared export inspection in Germany a few months ago and is presumably going through import inspection atm
>>65512244H&K have actually been talking about doing the SP7 pistol and rifle for the American commercial market for a while, and they have even made a few pre-production samples. At least one American SOT guy with a normal registered MP7 got one of the pre-production sample SP7 pistols, and he said it feels basically exactly the same, just semi-auto and no stock or VFG. Still seems like it hasn't gone into production/sale yet.>>65512252Oh, so they were being held up by German cucklaws again? That doesn't seem surprising, wouldn't be the first time, the ATF should be quicker at this job than them, so maybe we'll start seeing them by December or maybe early next year.Still wish they'd do a retro styled one which apes the look of the initial PDW prototype.
>>65512252>>65512261So I am right. When it happens, it happens, not before.
>*soft jazz starts playing*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fOJ9rYx-8
>>65512047>Why bring it up1) First of all (You) fartfags have shitted up the thread2) Can you discuss battleships on this board if you do not personally own one at the marina?3) Back to your semiauto pcc / fart containment thread
>>65512701>Seething mp7 apologist reeeeeees as it strikes youThe comment that brought it up wasn't talking about it at all, it was asking others to talk about it. Really tells you all you need to know about the mp7 when the loser that bring it up doesn't even have anything to say about it.
>>65512707>derp 'i-i never said...'Get out, go discuss semiautos and fagtriggers on the containment thread.
>>65506875>>65509689I'm noguns, but always liked the look of this one
>>65512426No one likes a pedantic faggot who desperately doesn't want to be wrong
>>65512762(I think ? the one in that ^weapons convention display pic is a semiautomatic-only pistol)The Brugger & Thomet MP9 >>65499439 is a Swiss development of the 1990s Steyr submachine gunhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_TMPB&T purchased the design from Steyr, made some changes including a new buttstock, rails, and trigger safety along with their own proprietary magazines and suppressor.The MP9 is sometimes called, classified as a 'machine pistol' due to its small size but the gun has an integral foregrip and can be deployed and fitted with accessories just like any other submachine gun. It also size-and-otherwise fits into the arbitrary 1990s category (that stems from the NATO contest between HK MP7 and FN P90) of 'personal defense weapon' aka PDW and can be further modified by a chambering for the 6.5 CBJ round:https://sadefensejournal.com/brugger-thomets-mp9-in-6.5x25-cbj/
>>65512934*corrected* URLhttps://sadefensejournal.com/brugger-thomets-mp9-in-6-5x25-cbj/
>>65512736None of mine have frts, what about yours?
>>65512765Ironic
>>65485306>mp5 in 9mm>mp5 in .40 s&w>mp5 in 10mm>no mp5 in .45>only gay ass blowback UMP
>>65513102
>>65513077>see the pic multiple times prior on /k/If those are full auto factory machineguns [U.S. NFA definition] (You) can stay and not be exiled to containment.Nobody cares what you own. Where's your Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, post it in this topic thread.checked>>65513102UMP in .45 ACP is best. The MP5 is a piece of shit in 10 mm, and much better in .40 S&W
>>65512934God why can't the MP9 just not have a godawful shifty trigger? Otherwise it would be perfect
>>65513125>UMP in .45 ACP is best. The MP5 is a piece of shit in 10 mm, and much better in .40 S&WIt’s amazing the amount of people that try to sell you blatantly incorrect information or just entirely wrong information, every opinion in this post is objectively incorrect.
>>65513167Watch out, he's gonna call you underage next!
>>65513125>UMP in .45 ACP is bestWhich is why even American PDs scoffed at it and rather preferred the MP5. The FBI loved their MP5/10s, even, but they never loved the UMP in any caliber at all.
>>65512227Dam you're a retard first off let me stop you there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nX_V-d-Gkw
If I could only have one gun...
>>65513167>>65513227>blatantly entirely objectivelyBack to pleddit
>>65513276Yes ------------ >>65503091
>>65513297Oh, it's you again. Why don't you ask people who have actually shot the UMP45 what they think about it?Here's one of them: >>65491608
>>65506329Those pics have been posted on this board for longer than you've been able to read
>>65485306The categorical classification of a submachine gun does not depend on how a firearm is categorized by US law.The fact that I have to explain this is insane.
>>65513125>Where's your Nimitz-class aircraft carrierPost yours faggot, keep running the goal post all over the place, you don't even have any guns so post hands instead, confirm what we already know
Are Skorpions considered Subs or Machine pistols, or both? It's criminal on how underrated these things are.
>>65513125>UMP in .45 ACP is best. The SMG that shakes you like you owe it money?
>>65513479>derpDo you require United States law permission to discuss battleships on this board named Weapons?>>65513561>hurr durr(You) are nogunz. Now post a pic of your personal garaged Leopard 2A6Nobody gives a flying gash dilating fuck about what anybody's personal dildo collection is on the internet.
>>65513652All full automatic firearms have recoil and 'shake you'That is why it is called the fun switch
>>65512177Doesn't look like my ex.
how does submarine gun shot underwater??
>>65512687Love these vids
>>65513717Lmao, no, not at all, setting aside various other guns, the UMP45 is fucking ridiculous, which is why it's the redheaded stepchild of H&K SMGs.UMP45:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6-mV1gUu1gThis looks like, passable, by itself, but when you compare to how smooth the MP5 and MP5/10 are, it looks pretty dogshit. The UMP is a cheap and understated economy gun that's mostly a downgrade from the MP5, and the .45 caliber one is its worst iteration by far.MP5:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKiNyUvB10sBarely moves. This is why spec ops types loved MP5s, a light carbine with rifle precision and barely any recoil to speak of.MP5/10:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L0FAMqN3T8Moves a little bit more than 9mm, but not that much. A fraction of how much the UMP45 rocks you around, but with more power.
>>65512177Slide comes close, you should definitely wear eye pro.
>>65513742>"lmao" brainletThey all shake, and now do the HK 53 (or any full auto G3 / HK 33 variant)>muh 'worst iteration', """""redheaded stepchild"""""Back to the video games, nogunz
>>65514451Now in 3D!
>>65513742Back to video games, nogunz
>>65515152>>65515167Malding. The UMP45 is dogshit which is why nobody wants it.
>>65515152>>65515167The UMP is a quintessential videogame gun, the only place where it is actually loved by anyone. Coincidentally, in a videogame you don't have to contend with all of the reasons that it's a very mediocre firearm, unlike in real life.Perhaps that's why you love it so.
>>65515184>>65515193Back to video games, nogunz
>>65514451It wasn't ever that loved of a gun in the Polish army, but I think the most people ever had issue with was that the slide coming back so far could have it potentially bump the visors on helmets or the brims on hats. Annoying and distracting, but not dangerous.Polish grunt "Trust me bro!" lore says that the PM63 can take your eyeball out, and they talked to someone who knew someone who said they totally saw it, but there's no evidence of it ever happening.
>Back to video games, nogunz
>>65515236(You) never touched a female human ever let alone a firearm
>(You) never touched a female human ever let alone a firearm
>>65515357Back to the video games, nogunz
>Back to the video games, nogunz
>>65515390In your case (also) back to the trannytoonsNogunz
>In your case (also) back to the trannytoons Nogunz
>>65515438Back to the video games prescriptions and toons, nogunz
>Back to the video games prescriptions and toons, nogunz
>>65515467>>65515474I think you two should stop.
>>65515474>>65515483It (the troontoon nogunz) just started a UMP thread to whine some moreThese submachine gun threads get shitted up with /hg/ /arg/ nogunz PCC fArtrigger brainlets
>>65515236The mp10 looks vastly superior based on this footage
>>65515618>mp10MP5/10>'vastly superior'each gun looks the same
>>65515633No it doesn't.
>>65515639Yes they are the same.
>>65515633>each gun looks the sameThe MP5/10 looks like it has less recoil.
>>65515643Both guns in the faggotwebm look the same in their recoil impulse.
What a boring loser thread this became
>>65516315It was doomed DOA from the beginning because as *warned in the fp >>65485410 *<-- the PCC fartrigger brainletards needed to stay in their designated containment threadBut here they areIt's physically impossible to have either a submachine gun, or machine gun thread on /k/—4chan's Weapons board—in 2026
Honestly if the 5k drops I'm buying an SP5
>>65516357Maybe if we could fucking GET machineguns it wouldn't be a problem.How do you propose we kill þe GCA & Hughes Amendment l?
>>65516363>5kI'd get an actual og select fire MAC-10, u du u
>>65516396Maybe if we could fucking GET an F-15 Eagle or Los Angeles-class submarine it wouldn't be a problem
>>65516397You're not finding a transferable MAC for that little these days.
>>65516436yeah well inflation on the Hughes Amendment market5K is a waste of money for a semiautomatic firearm no matter the type or manufacture brandimo
>>65513077Would you recommend the Century Arms AP5 or the AP53?
>>65515649Shut the fuck up, retard.
>>65516685Not him but I'd recommend AP5 over AP53. Cheaper to shoot being the main reason.
>>65516830>slopNo difference in the recoil impulse between the two guns(unless you have some shooting range lb-s measurements of UMP vs. MP5 to share with the board)
>>65516357No, it's because of you
>>65517240It's because of (You), pcc frt tard. You're the ukebro video gamer /hg/ /arg/ NoVa k-pop soft drink indeterminate gender fat slob faggotbrains <-- that have destroyed this once-magical board /k/ Weapons.(You) suck
>>65517261Do you fucking live in this thread, johnny on the spot with reply time, time to hit the range buddy, you need to get off the screen for a bit.
The calico is the greatest subgun ever created
My favorite submachinegunNot a submachinengun you say? Why did the army call it one then
>>65513108>muh roller delay stribogMight as well call a G3 "direct impingement".
>>65517333checked, stay in (You)r containment thread psychopathTopic of OP is *submachine guns*not faggot pccsnot faggot frts <---Those 2 ^topics have their own threads
>>65517583It's true that in the 1960s-1980s era when smaller cut-down SB select fire rifles first became prevalent, the nomenclature could be leveraged "well, kind of..."Naming convention of firearm scholars and almost all militaries is that submachine guns are chambered in pistol calibers
