Why the US never managed to pull off such large scale offensives like the Soviets did back in WW2?
Why do you type like a bitch OP?
Remember that time the US invaded North Africa, Italy, France and most of the fucking Pacific
>>65486709Operation Overlord Operation CobraMarianas Campaign Okinawa
OP is kind of stupid. Probably retarded.
>>65486716Those operations don't really compare: D-Day landed about 156,000 troops on day one, Cobra used roughly 150,000 to 200,000 men, and the Marianas and Okinawa landed around 130,000 to 180,000 ground troops each.By comparison, major Soviet operations like Operation Bagration (1.6 million men) and the Battle of Berlin (2.3 million men), and Invasion of Manchuria (1.5 million men)
>>65486709Uh oh brown melty
>>65486748americans have an ocean separating them from the front.how the fuck do you expect them to move a million men across the ocean at the same time?there were boats but not that many.
>>65486748The U.S. was executing those landings on the other sides of oceans, far from their homeland.The soviets were doing that shit in their fucking backyard, with heavy logistical support from the other allied nations.
>>65486759Because the US after Operation overlord they actually managed to move more than a million men across the english channel? Yet still the US never launched any offensive with more than 10 divisions at the time unlike the soviets.
>>65486709All soviet operations where massive horde sperg rushes
The russian poster desperation is just getting kind of sad at this point.
>>65486770>Because the US after Operation overlord they actually managed to move more than a million men across the english channel?Do you think every soldier is combat arms?
>>65486709Operation Overlord was nearly as large as Operation Bagration, the fuck are you talking about
>>65486790The beaches were secured with 150k men
>>65486788In Russian army everyone is meatwave!
>Commies can't understand efficiencyStrange that
>>65486794And one of the largest surface fleets and assemblages of combat aircraft in history.
That fag FDR gave to much to russiahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Hula
>>65486794Operation Overlord encompasses the entire operation up to the Seine, not just the beach assault. That's like saying Bagration was just the initial line pierce.
>>65486748>Those operations don't really compareBait. 2 million men were committed to Operation Overlord.
>>65486794>The beaches were secured with 150k men2 million soldiers195,000 sailors7,000 vessels 11,000 aircraft9,000 tanks400,000 motor vehicles
>>65486748>Those operations don't really compareWell, yes. They were more complex, sophisticated and succesful than anything the Soviets ever managed even while they were being carried by western materiel and the western front killing the Luftwaffe and all of the Axis' best divisions.
>>65486951The Machurian Operation, with its multiple spearheads through terrain with no infrastructure and a paratroop anvil, was arguably nearly as complex, though done against a completely inferior opponent.
>>65486954>paratroop anvilOverlord had this too
>>65486794You're just flailing about in a pure fog of copium at this point.
>>65486974Sorta, but only for Operation Neptune. They helped crack the beach defences. The Allied equivalent of the Soviet paradrops in Manchuria would be something like dropping all the paratroopers at Cherbourg. Even then, the distance was way shorter.
And Russia thought they could take Ukraine with less than 200k men when the Ukranian army was at least 600k strong
>>65487026>600kIt was 200k in 2022 but nice try
Holy fuck this vatnik is desperate
>>65486709why do so many russians still shit in outhouses?
>>65486878As bad as the USSR were, they still were commies. The Nazis were actually a threat because they were actually competent. Russia couldn't even invade Finland.
>>65487028Even at 200k vs 200k, as as attacker you need at least 3 to 1 advantage as shown from WW2 examples, and Russia didn't have the logistics to sustain a proper large scale invasion force for taking Ukraine.
>>65487055>as attacker you need at least 3 to 1 advantageThis is false. I don't see any proof of this anywhere. The US barely outnumbered Iraq in '91 yet dominated them. The Chinese outnumbered the US 3:1 in Korea yet couldn't defeat them. There's too many other factors at play to make this kind of rule.
>>65487104Look up the ratios from Bagration and Manchuria again, it's not only for manpower, but also with tanks, artillery and aircraft. In the conflicts you've mentioned, did the attacker also enjoy at least a 3 to advantage in tanks, artillery and aircraft?
>>65487055>as as attacker you need at least 3 to 1 advantagestupid fucking faggots parroting rules of thumb as hard laws of reality. many such cases.
>>65486709Ignore all the other seething salty posts.They didn't need to and they didn't have the divisions to do so the US had like 70 in Europe vs 500 the Soviets had(total 1200)
>>65486711he's probably some form of commie-worshipping sudacayou can tell from the incorrect use of "why" because it is from "por que" and "porque"it's a very common mistake among semi-literate sudacas that only learn english because nobody in the spanish speaking world is willing to talk to them any more.
>>654871043:1 is textbook US military doctrine, but things rarely work out according to the textbook.In any case, a 3:1 advantage only has to apply to the local tactical environment, not the theater, and you can create the advantage with things other than more men. Usually, artillery.
>>65486886Well, yeah. But only 150,000 were MEN.
so what blew up this time?
>>65486709Sounds like the US was just able to accomplish much more with fewer people. Imagine only fighting on a single front
>>65486748It's how the operations were classified originally in part. Dragoon could have been a second stage of Overlord if you wanted to classify operations at the front level for all of France. A lot of Soviet ops cover absolutely huge areas and longer time periods.Aside from that, the US didn't need those huge numbers because of fire superiority, air superiority, and superior mobility.Even attacking prepared defenders with years to dig in from the sea in Dragoon they were inflicting 6:1 losses. US forces at the operational level were capable of generally stomping the Germans by 1944.
>>65489788Originally Dragoon was supposed to launch at the same time as Overlord (although still its own operation), but it was delayed because it was thought more equipment was needed for Overlord. In retrospect, it probably would have worked to do both and given the initial rout it could easily have ended the war earlier with more of Germany in Western hands.
>>65489670>>65489788The bulk of the Wehrmacht were deployed on the eastern front. Which is why the western front there were so many "SS" divisions, which were nothing more than larpers.
>>65489799>The bulk of the Wehrmacht were deployed on the eastern frontYeah, those 1st,3,5,7,10,12,14,15,19th armies famously serving in the east, along with 75% of luftwaffe and the entirety of the kriegsmarine.Or that Panzer Lehr division that was one of the very few fully mechanized ones in the whole German army and staffed with their most experienced troops that had previously served as instructors? Also totally sent east.
>>65490188I don't why you're being sarcastic about that, it's historical fact that the vast majority of the Wehrmact was in the East fighting the Soviets. They sent a little more West but still the majority was in the East.
>>65490364*They sent a little more West later on to meet the allied invasion
>>65490364>it's historical factit's historical fact that soviets only fought using meat waves sent to exhaust and overwhelm enemy stamina and logistics, that's why half of the German army fighting in the east lost.
>>65486709THEY TRAVELLED ACROSS THE ENTIRE GLOBE WHILE SUPPLYING YOU TANKIE FUCKSTICKS. BLEEDING IN YOUR OWN LAND OR RIGHT OFF YOUR OWN BORDERS DOESN'T MAKE YOUR KIND WARRIORS, IT MAKES THEM SUBHUMAN MEAT WAVES. TANKIES ALL NEED TO BE ERADICATED LIKE ALL RUSSIAN SPEAKING INDIVIDUALS TO FINALLY REMOVE THE THREAT VRANYO AND DEDOVSCHINA POSES TO HUMANITY.
What blew up today?
>>654923092 Su-35s collided mid-air and russians boiling in a cauldron
>>65487104China defeated usa that's why there is North and South Korea.
>>65492309Russians lost a bunch of positions around Lyman a little bit ago so they'll be seething about that for some time.
>>65492309US base in Jordan
>>65495224no, just something in iran blowing up again, explains the thirdie seething.
Ohboy another thread with the exact same shitty diction as all the other turd worlder spam threads
>>65497774A big chunk of what was left of the Baltic Fleet, 2 SU-35s making out mid flight and a the refinery in Jamal Oblast n shieet
>>654977741x A-10 and 8x F-15's: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/multiple-us-military-aircraft-damaged-iran-strikes-military-base-jordan/
>>65486709Why send more men in when you can have force multipliers doing heavy lifting allowing you to redirect that manpower elsewhere?
>>65486716You forgot another thing king.
>>65497996>The Winter Line was a series of German and Italian military fortifications in Italy, constructed during World War II by Organisation Todt and commanded by Albert Kesselring. The series of three lines was designed to defend a western section of Italy, focused around the town of Monte Cassino, through which ran the important Highway 6 which led uninterrupted to Rome. The primary Gustav Line ran across Italy from just north of where the Garigliano River flows into the Tyrrhenian Sea in the west, through the Apennine Mountains to the mouth of the Sangro River on the Adriatic coast in the east. The two subsidiary lines, the Bernhardt Line and the Hitler Line, ran much shorter distances from the Tyrrehnian Sea to just northeast of Cassino where they would merge into the Gustav Line. Relative to the Gustav Line, the Hitler Line stood to the northwest and the Bernhardt Line to the southeast of the primary defenses.>Before being ultimately broken, the Gustav Line effectively slowed the Allied advance for seven months between December 1943 and June 1944. Major battles in the assault on the Winter Line at Monte Cassino and Anzio alone resulted in 98,000 Allied casualties and 60,000 Axis casualtieshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Line
>>65486709For one they didn't have another USA gifting them everything from socks to heavy industry.
>>65486716I think 3-4 of those gets you the scale of Bagration alone.
>>65486709Is the soviet invasion of Manchuria really impressive? They were fighting raw recruits with poor equipment, Japan had already been defeated at this point and surrendered a few days later.
>>65497875>people with direct knowledge of the matter told CBS NewsSo anonymous sources? Unless there's photos, I'll call bs.
>>65486709Because they didn't need to.
>>65492323That happened last week. Ukies hit the Arctic terminal where 80% of Russian oil flows through
>>65495224Yawn. Let me know when they nuke Israel.
>>65486775Seeing this iconic flagplant photo reminds me how it got repeatedly censored because the original implied that one of the soldiers was wearing multiple stolen wristwatches.I guess some Russian habits die hard.
>>65486709>>65486748Meuse–Argonne in 1918 is still the largest offensive in U.S. military history.We had 1.2 million personnel in that and the those killed during it accounted for 49.20% of all Americans killed in WWI (26,277 killed in Meuse–Argonne, 53,402 killed in WWI overall)
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>>65498250It was definitely impressive logistically. The terrain covered is difficult to fathom.
>>65498122From across the fucking Atlantic Ocean Don't forget that part
>>65497774Your sister's ass with black semen
>>65498122The Marianas Campaign included the largest naval air battle of all time and several amphibious assaults. Okinawa saw over half a million American ground troops committed, in addition to a massive fleet and colossal amount of aircraft. I forgot to include it, but the retaking of the Philippines saw over a million American troops and the largest naval battle in history by displacement. Oh, and there was that time the still very raw and inexperienced Americans and the British collaborated to take 350k Axis prisoners in Tunisia.
