So Iran has threatened to or actually did fire their hypersanic missiles multiple times already and apparently caused zero damage. What's the deal? I thought these magic missiles were going to obsolete carriers and change warfare forever.
Owari da....
>>65487222i will never forgive russia for ruining the term hypersonic
>>65487222Oh hey this thread again. Let me give a TLDR before we get started.>We have missiles!>We can shoot at your boats!>Okay well our boats have missile defense systems to shoot them down>TH-THEN WE WILL BUILD HYPERSONIC MISSILES! THEY WILL GO EVEN FASTER! HAHA WHAT NOW?!!!>Well we can still see them coming and they’re still aimed at the same targets with missile defense systems that still work so…shoot them down still?>HAHAHA STUPID AMERIKKKANS WE WILL JUST BLOW UP SOMETHING ELSE THEN IN THE NAME OF ALLAH WHAT THEN?!!!>Well everything important is covered by them so you’re basically mag dumping diamond bullets into a dirt backstop so…nothing?>WE WIN AGAIN! FIFTY GORILLION AMERIKKKANS DEAD!>You blew up a 22 year old Air Reservist from Kentucky that we were about to boot out for being too fat. We just scrapped your entire Air Force and Navy.>YOU ARE SO SCARED NEXT WE WILL NU->We already blew those up.>THEN WE WILL->Blew those up too>WHAT ABOUT->Blew him up too>WE WIN!>Youre gay
>>65487222>hypersonicJust say ballistic. Do you thirdies even know what hypersonic means?
>>65487222Iran did not develop HGVs with an economy the size of Connecticut. Their propaganda was just that.
>>65487743Is it even that big any more? They’ve been getting fucked up pretty bad.
>>65487258They'll just go on wikipedia and edit to say that they "won" even though they got thoroughly curbstomped, typical brownoid cope tactic(see afghanistan war).
>>65487749It's kind of hard to tell because you can't directly compare two economies that different. In nominal terms it's been taking a nosedive because nobody wants the currency except internally where it has to be used but in real terms it's got a lot of production capacity that's still in use. PPP adjusted Iran is sitting at like a ~2 trillion dollars which is about the size of New York State's economy but even PPP is making a central flawed assumption (that two economies can be directly compared based on the cost of consumer goods)
>>65487222>zero damagehave you seen the state of your country?
>>65487222An Iranian missile based on a rejected Nork copy of a Soviet SLBM from the 60s..
>>65487222https://edition.cnn.com/2026/08/04/politics/us-iran-key-missile-interceptors-low
>>65487232This, I have started calling this shit "V2 hypersonics" to make it clear to retards it's WW2 tech.
>>65488614According to the news media, interceptors have been 'on the verge of running out' and 'too few to counter China' for several months now. I get the strange feeling that a lot of major news outlets don't like this war and would like to use their reporting to further sour the public on it. Must be my imagination.Not that it matters since Iran is about to eliminate every USN carrier group in the Persian Gulf with their hypersonic carrier killer missiles that they definitely have, for real
If Iran is so based why haven't they used WMD's on Israel?
>>65488637They lost the flag they needed to raise to announce their intention to begin the preparations for raising the flag indicating that they're about to do that. They have their top guys looking for it though, so watch out
>>65487222BALLISTICS ARE NOT FUCKING HYPERSONICS
>>65487258They were schwacking awacs and tankers. And succeeded at area denial of the logistics bases inside the gulf. Or did you not notice that the US air force has withdrawn to Jordan and fleet resupply is now conducted via diego garcia?
>>65487222Hypersonic are useless unless they’re nuclearFire a $40 million missile that may be intercepted by something 1/40th the prices but even if it doesn’t it’ll like damage a hangar.
>>65488643>AWACS!The only hit they have on an American one was grounded the other two were Israeli and Emirati.>Tankers!Did oil tankers suddenly learn how to fly and drop missiles and bombs? Btw the majority of their hits occurred in the first two weeks and they have greatly tapered off. There’s been a recent uptick but it’s pretty obvious Iran blew its load and what it has left it has to use very sparingly because every launch has such a high risk of losing another asset.>The US had to move their bases out of strike range!Which they can very easily do. That’s the entire point of carrier groups. They’re mobile. They can evade, defend, and strike at will. A base is stationary and all you can really do is dig in.
>>65489328>other two were Israeli and EmiratiCome on, the is no proof of that.
If Iran is the master of striking bases why did they stop hitting tel aviv?
>>65489334>why did they stop hitting tel aviv?They did?
>>65489333Yes there is you’re just being retarded.>>65489334Because they’re biding their time pretending to negotiate until the midterms come around and they hope the democrats can save them.
>>65489328>Which they can very easily do.I mean if there is no area denial by iran missile, the US wont need to move their bases right? Whether they (The S) can easily move their bases or not doesn't change the fact that Iran area denial strategy is working.
>>65489341>retardedSaid someone with no proofs. Sad, really.
>>65489344Except against Israel.
>>65489344>America can bomb them at will forever>Nuh-uh>Yeah-huh>W-well they shot down your AWACS>Weren’t ours>Well they hit your bases!>Which has zero impact on our ability to fly sorties over Iran and was never the point of the discussion to begin with because it’s such a retardedly low bar to achieve (kind of like shooting fuck huge turtle slow non-combatant oil tankers)>So you admit they’re winningYou are unfathomably stupid anon. We can continue to cycle carrier groups in and out of the region and conduct strikes from well beyond their range capabilities to hit us forever.
Missile spam warfare achieves jak shit.Welcome to reality.
>>65489347>US E-3 SentryHit on the ground at Prince Sultan Air Base>UAE GlobalEyeHit on the ground at Al-Dhafra. Didn’t even know that one off the top of my head but not surprised that 2/3 were actually ground kills>IsraeliThe only actual kill they have on one in the air.
>>65489377No it does. It’s just a much slower burn and costs a lot. Hardly efficient but let’s be honest if we started blowing up bridges, oil pipelines, cell towers, their parliament building, etc. the entire country would be back in the dark ages within a week. Low casualty rates help extend the political will for military targeting though so it is what it is.
>>65489385We ve seen how its going along in ukraine and russia, most of the damage has been done and its only getting hardened from here on out.>Strategic bombingGerman output production rose durying the period it was going on until the landing.Even in iran vs the gulf all the damage thats viable as been done so we arent seeing big strikes from any side anymore
>>65489368>we didn't NEED those basesChrist, you're literally turning into a zigger parody.>>65489328>Btw the majority of their hits occurred in the first two weeks and they have greatly tapered off.Yes. For lack of targets.>it’s pretty obvious Iran blew its loadThat's what you've been claiming since the first week of this war, Hegsie. Yet somehow the Iranians have just kept chucking stuff at a pretty stable pace ever since the initial rush they fired off while their chain of command was in dissaray ended.
>>65488635>I get the strange feeling that a lot of major news outlets don't like this war and would like to use their reporting to further sour the public on it.Specifically the NYT, WSJ and WaPo because Trump sued them back in 2016 (and won) and they've had an axe to grind ever since. Also, NYT and WSJ have been suspiciously zigger friendly since 2014- I think a Chinese firm bought partial ownership of the NYT, while the WSJ has been a quisling honeypot for decades.
>>65489395>at a pretty stable paceThe fuck are you on? By every measured metric, Iranian attacks have fallen off a cliff the last four months.>random insult about Hegseth out of nowhereOh nevermind, you're a /pol/nigger. Carry on.
>>65489393>Ukraine/Russia as a comparisonAnon these are vastly different conflicts, with vastly different disparities in technology and resources, and vastly different objectives>Germany actually produced more during the bombings!Germany had a large empire at the time to facilitate manufacturing and a massive wartime economy they were forced to red line at that specific time frame due to their oil supply needs. The U.S. can entirely destroy Irans oil economy and infrastructure and at best they might shoot down a couple F-15s as a result.>All the damage that’s viable has been doneViability is kind of subjective and ever changing. I don’t think we’re hitting them particularly hard because Trump doesn’t want to blow up another school before the midterms and the Iranians are happy to wait things out hoping for a DNC run house to throttle the war effort. I think that’s a gross underestimation of the influence that the MIC has in the U.S. political sphere though and they’re going to need 10+ Democrat majority to see that actually happen. Any less than that and Trump has no real reason not to escalate again.>>65489395We didn’t. We have floating bases. We are currently positioned to hit them whenever we want and they can’t really do shit about it.>Iranians have kept up the paceObservably, demonstrably, false. They blew their load retard. They have a supply left over but at this point they’re basically the retarded kid in school twitching every now and then after the teachers hold him down and give him the night night nugget. Still conscious. Still knows what’s going on. Will flex here and there. But the drugs and exhaustion have ended it. They’re George Floyd sucking exhaust with a knee on his neck level done.
>>65487764No kidding.
>>65487764>GifrelHow many billions of dollar did the us spent just to damage those tanker?Why cant they just use drones?
>>65489498Standard unit cost for a harpoon is 1.4 million. But yes this is the type of thing drones will be used for in the future. We just have a huge fucking stockpile of these and the drones are largely still being integrated.
>>65489514>a huge fucking stockpileDon't you need those for a war against china? Why waste them on iran tanker?Well, if those tanker just barely damaged from those strike, may be chinese warship won't even feel it.
>the TDS shills copyingTrump already raped iranny so bloody they are prolapsed and shacking.All iranny managed was making strong statementa and threatening the kikes.Dont get us angry or we will rape you again.Fucken shills
>>65489531What war are we going to have with China? Taiwan? Lmfao.
>>65489531What is chinka goon do?Crash more destroyers?Board water in their carrier?Let the hatch open in their submarine?Land their chink planes in the water?
>>65489531>Just barely damaged Projection much?
>>65487232>>65487314>>65487222Hypersonic is a tenuous term. Trying to trace to where it may have been first used with good intent - I think the idea was to distinguish the speed step where metals melt in extended atmospheric flight and plasma becomes the contact mechanism with the atmosphere. Significant step up from supersonic aircraft in difficulty. And specifically for aircraft so not bullets, not re-entry vehicles it was 1960s-1980s Cold War aerospace terminology. But then got spread around ineptly.
>>65489328>Which they can very easily doThirdie shills always forget to mention that the relocation was to a base that is actually closer to Tehran, kek
Hypersonic, ballistic, cruise(control for cool), whatever. What matters is if they can actually disable one of the super carriers currently patrolling the gulf. I'll believe it when I see it.
>>65491725Forget? No, they are desperate to feign a win somewhere to save face.
>>65488643I have to admit, I love that Iran seems to have adopted two American tankers crashing into each other as a point of national pride analagous to the Serb's with their "we didn't know it was invisible." It sums up the state of this war so perfectly.
>>65489531>ncd redditards collapse into zigger arguments
>>65491861That’s really the crux of the issue. Them getting America to do anything is a moral victory for them. If you look at Reddit or Al Jazeera then you would think the IRGC will be rolling into Tel Aviv any day now when the reality is they basically just shot at Americans and the result was them logistically bounding forward behind cover. Fucking delusional.
You can't discuss anything on /k/ anymore because so rarely will a thread contain one person with subject matter knowledge, one person with an open mind and one person who speaks English. Without those elements there's no point
>>65491621>>65487314>>65491621Hypersonic is a meaningless term right now. The proper meaning (Mach 5+ glide vehicle) might be relevant again in the near future, the Norks may have sent KN-30s to Russia and one of that systems missiles is a confirmed (RoK/US) Mach 8+ low altitude projectile, i'll probably do a post on it this evening.
>>65491621Hypersonic is when compression heating generates more heat than skin friction (~mach 5).The term hypersonic weapons originally refered to hypersonic glide vehicles with use lifting bodies and aerodynamic lift to maneuver at hypersonic speeds.Because anything over mach 5 is technically hypersonic Russia started using it to refer to ballistic missiles which do travel above mach 5 but are completely different from hypersonic glide vehicles to pretend Russia was technologically keeping up with the US and China.By this Russian definition the V2 rocket was hypersonic in 1945.
>>65489393Speer openly stated that Allied strategic bombing fucked over all aspects of German production and military operations, and the only thing that prevented it from paralyzing Germany completely was incorrect target prioritization. How about after years of strategic bombing Japan's fleets were stuck in port unable to sortie, they had trouble running air operations due to lack of fuel, and the primary arm of their citizen militias in the event of an Allied invasion was a sharpened bit of bamboo?
>>65492462>to pretend Russia was technologically keeping up with the US and China.Amongst other nations;>2026: After months of begging from the Kremlin the DPRK has deployed the KN-30 to Europe so Russia can observe modern delivery methods in a field environmentNever expected to be here but that is where we are.
>>65489731tbf we don't know if there's something important behind that that was or was not broken. But also:>attacking a bulk freight ship that literally just brought your nation a load of food >when your economy is in freefall What the fuck, man?
>>65492514It'll be interesting to see how China reacts, I have serious doubts the Kim crew came up with that on their own so there is a decent chance this is an unauthorised technology exchange.
>>65492525Decentralized command is good because decapitation strikes don't cripple your responce, decentralization is bad because your stupidest commander is acting independanty.
>>65492528I'll post about it later but there are three variants the 10x10 dual TEL uses:>The base KN-30 which is what we are calling the Hwasong-11C now; it is basically an Iskandar but twice as big including range and payload>Big chungus version; shorter range but alleged 4500kg (!) payload>Hypersanic totally not stolen from China version; 50m main flight path altitude and Mach 8+ confirmed by US/RoKSo far we don't know which variants they are sending but i'd guess all of them just to test them out.
>>65492642Oh, and they use a pretty advanced stabilization method, the fins freely rotate instead of the body and might even have rollerons as well.
>>65492525How do you expect the Iranians to IFF tankers with their beacons turned off from over the horizon? They're blindly launching missiles in the general direction of ships they're told about by fishermen. This is the reason why the Zumwalt class's design was going to be so important for this war: with its extremely small RCS, missiles would have to be given a much more precise heading to locate them, and it's even possible that the missile wouldn't classify it as a warship at all and would fly right past.
>>65487222idk but here is the haifa refinery getting lit the fuck up back in the 12 day war of last year
>>65492673Yet Iran has stopped shooting at Israel.
>>65492673>missile that size>absolutely pathetic explosive loadkind of pointless tbqh though it probably serves it's purpose of making iranian high command feel like they were able to at least bite back a little.
>>65492525Just start thinking of iranians as being a colony of retarded sub saharan gorilla niggers and things start making a lot more sense
>>65492375>An open mindThis is what thirdies call being uneducated enough to believe their lies.
>>65489514Those are Hellfires, you dumb nigger
>>65492528I think what is going on is they are making use of Chinese commercial expertise. China and NK have a reasonable relationship I don't think Chinese ITAR equivalents extend past specific military secrets (real PLA equipment related stuff and code, not "science"). If NK pays a Chinese ballistic missile company to design them a missile they'll do it, China is not in MCTR. They might not get the blueprint for a PLA ICBM but relatively close. Importantly this extends to suppliers of everything from rocket nozzles to guidance computers, - all importable.
>>65494535Actually I just used AI to find I'm wrong and they do have a non-treaty ballistic missile export ban. But whole missile shipments not parts and I guess not designs either.
>>65487258Why did we pull troops out of Kuwait and why are we making it seem like no one gives a shit when only a "few" Americans die?
>>65489368We can totally bomb them forever and achieve nothing except increasing costs at home due to international tensions and unpredictability but I thought we learned our lesson in Vietnam and Afghanistan that killing a bunch of them and them killing a few of us doesn't achieve strategic goals and is counterintuitive to our domestic goals? What is with the Iran war shills and not even accepting reasonable and rational criticism?
>>65494798>weKilling 10 Americans will not win you the war, achmed. Relocating gulf personnel to a base that is geographically closer to Tehran is also not going to win you the war.
>>65489404>zigger friendlyas opposed to Trump?
>>65494805again, why are we being dismissive about the deaths of Americans to "own" a people we don't respect? Also what are you talking about relocation, I was referring to US abandoning bases around the Gulf to avoid further casualties and now we are primarily doing sorties from Carmen San Diego Airbase in the Indian ocean or whatever. All this does is alienate more Americans from this conflict because even reasonable criticisms are met with bad faith retardation we already hashed out after Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf war, and the Gwot
>>65494805>Yeah I'm pro-American>I just don't care about Americans, the American economy, American domestic issues, or any concerns of Americans>I am only anti-Iran and conveniently aligned on only anti issues and seek no positive change domestically I genuinely didn't care about Iran before this stupid boondoggle and I certainly won't care afterward. The only people that care are career politicians with an axe to grind and Israel, so.
>>65494817>not doing goypopping tvWhy would they miss the chance?
>>65494812Nigger this is a war. Casualties are a reality of war and the fact that ours are counted in the double digits should frankly be astounding.It's not that we don't care about those that die. It's that we're not manchildren thinking that small scale loss of life means the earth stops turning and nations stop functioning. We have an opportunity to eradicate an enemy that has been causing death and destruction across the entire middle east for decades. This should not, and will not, be aborted for the sake of 10-20 lives.And afaik the largest relocation was to the base in Jordan (can't remember the name and can't be bothered to look it up) and that base is geographically closer. Obviously a few hundred miles of distance doesn't matter much for strategic bombers specifically.
>>65494803We really should just target bridges, power plants and water distribution systems while working on a bypass canal/pipeline. There are enough nearby armed groups and civil discontents that eventually it will turn into a big version of Syria, the destabilizing effects on Turkey, Pakistan and other nearby nations will create a highly favorable mess that will keep the region a hot mess for a decade or two. If we are lucky it will provoke Turkish adventurism and we can accelerate the impending Turk/Israeli war creating a crescent of chaos from the Black Sea to the Indian ocean. Combined with a Russian internal conflict it would span the Indian ocean to the Artic, that is the kind of chaos Xi couldn't help but involve China in. The West, India and our East Asian allies could do quite well in the long term under such conditions, especially US energy exports and arms sales while crippling a vast swath of competitors. North America's nuclear industry would particularly benefit; Kazakhstan (Kazatomprom) being destabilized would do wonders for my Cameco and Denison Mines stock.
>>65494831>we should be proud we ONLY lost more than ten American lives in a war of choicesee telling me this is war does nothing to convince me this was is worth fuck all including the loss of American lives and the stumbling of our economy. I care about those that die and clearly you don't as you're bending over backwards to sell it as a positive. I do not see it as a positive that they died for what exactly? The chance to maybe reach status antebellum? >DUDE WE HAVE TO BE THE GOOD GUYS AND SAAVE RHE MIDDLE EAST FROM THE BAD GUYSI was sold that lie several times now and the stability of the middle east continues to erode. Iran is a bad actor but you have yet to convince me this is *our* problem and why we seem to be going about prosecuting this war in the least efficient, most tepid way possible in a seeming bid to extend any and all economic pains at the cost of military efficacy. I don't understand why you keep bringing up some gay base in Jordan and arguing we moved them closer actually. We did not do that
>>65494853>We really should just target bridges, power plants and water distribution systems while working on a bypass canal/pipelineThat sounds like a waste of time and money to achieve a result we had already held prior to the conflict. Regime change is a shortsighted goal that would cause more instability and wasted resources and lives than already invested in our last boondoggle which was Afghanistan.Not reading the rest of a Jucheaboo's fan fic about how the middle east will RISE up which is exactly the narrative Bibi sold this war to Drumpf on. It's stupid and a waste of time
>>65494868>dude the war in Iran is worth it because... b-because it just is okay!!!>Don't agree? You must be a poltard!!!!!!!yeah see how quickly you resorted to animal like howling and team jockeying when presented with the most minor resistanc? You are a monkey and clearly shouldn't be taken seriously on foreign policy, please leave our country maybe canada is more your speed
>>65494882Such an honorable enemy deserves a better adversary than the orange golem
>>65494863I don't want them to rise up, i want them to kill each other and become a massive insurgent infested mess that will secure US energy, food and weapons exports. The two most foolish decisions the US has made since Vietnam were 'stabilizing' Iraq and trying to end the Syrian civil war.
>>65494878You are treated like an animal because instead of engaging with reasoned discussion, you instead plug your ears and repeat the same political lines. I think my cat has a better mind for debate than you. And she is not a smart cat.
>>65494893>we will secure us energy by destabilizing the region forcing any and every economic benefit to be steeply costly and dangerous while also making long term sustainment of those resources untenableThis is a mouth breathing retard conception of game theory, human psychology, and the contextual human geography of the region >>65494897I gave valid retorts and in response you try to squirm and shift like a Jewish roach caught in a mental trap: you are too stupid to conceptualize an intellectual debate as anything more than being blindly agreed withPost one of your guns
>>65494906US EXPORTS silly, our oil and gas fields are in North America not Eurasia as are US farms. We should have never fought the first gulf war but instead let Saddam do whatever dumb thing he wanted. He would have eventually lost the resultant regional conflict creating something like the current chaos but with less money spent on our part.
>>65494906>trying to pull a "post guns" card without posting your own guns firstWay to out yourself as a poltard tourist bud. You have to go back.
>>65494927>Way to out yourselfThe random accusation of being Jewish didn't give it away?
>>65494926>us exports sillyus is not energy independent you are trolling at this point.
>>65495003Anon the USA is the largest energy exporter in the world. Are you so poor you live in a nation without Google?
>>65489498Using hellfires? probably less than the tankers cost.
>>65494854>But muh heckin soljerinos!Please you don’t give a fuck about them at all. You’re setting a soap box up on graves for personal political points. Go fuck yourself.>The economyImagine how much worse things would be with a nuclear Iran doing the same thing.>The chance to maybe-Take Iran off the board as a regional threat for another half a century. This is a significant leap forward. It will take them decades to rebuild what’s been destroyed you retard.>The stability of the Middle East continues to erodeIt was already a shitheap anon but pretending things haven’t steadily moved towards progress is just lying. Israel and Palestine/Hezbollah has been a powder keg for about 80 years now. It’s going to end in Israeli victory one way or another it seems and then it’s just done for good or bad. The Abraham Accords are another major shift among the more sane nations. Iraq is stabilized. Iran and Yemen remain the sole major threats to regional stability because frankly Israel and Palestine don’t fucking matter that much to the rest of them who mostly just want to sell oil and stop being third world countries.>This isn’t our problemAs you retards love to point out the oil being cut off is a world problem. Gas prices go up for everyone. A nuclear Iran can say the strait is closed forever and there really isn’t shit anyone can do at that point. That turns the entire region into a shit show. Stop ignoring the long term for the short term you mouth breathing retard. You’re complaining about muscle soreness being an issue and ignoring the impending diabetes and heart problems. You are mentally and spiritually obese.
>>65495123>magine how much worse things would be with a nuclear Iran doing the same thingThey were SECONDS away NOOOOK but the orange golem managed to pull himself off of bibi's scrote for long enough to save us all!!!
>>65495930nta but>no actual response>just continuing to passive-aggressively spam the same onelinersI’ll accept your concession for him.
>>65495123>Actually you don't care. Actually things would be way worse. Actually things were always bad. Actually actually actually I was told what to think! I like the circular logic always on display. Hormuz is nbd because we are energy independent until we aren't so please understand this IS our problem. Yes we already targeted their nuclear facilities last year and for years prior to backing out of the (imperfect) deal that allowed us access to their nuclear enrichment facilities which we can just zero day again despite the air gap like we did last time. Welp I guess those bunker busters and stuxnet and all this decapitation strikes did fuck all I guess we have no choice but to continue wasting money bombing a shit hole just like we did in Afghanistan and probably stability to that region.Iraq is currently experiencing conflict again and did for several years after we left (uhhhh I guess you just forgot ISIS) and it never ended its Kurdish quasi civil conflict, so what stability are you talking about? it's all so tiresome but at least you'll have to cope with this because the political blowback will be brutal. And no, I'm not talking about the middle east. Hope the little wins were worth losing the disguise that allowed any of this to gain any traction. Also fuck Israel and fuck their goyim slaves like you and yours
>>65495938That sounds incredibly gay and cringe. Are you Israeli by chance?
>>65495123>nations. Iraq is stabilized.They're still fighting insurgents and took collateral damage from both sides of the iran-us war currently happening. Are you retarded or being a deliberate liar? You goalpost shifting Jews are gross
>>65495966Iran and Pakistan are still fighting insurgents, should we consider them unstable? Yes. Yes we should.
>>65495961>t-that sounds gay and cringeThat’s because your ear canals are filled with shit, much like those of the hovel you live in.>h-he made fun of me, he must be israeli!Total kike death, total mudslime death, total thirdie apologist death. Contrarianism is a disease that deserves nothing but bullying.
>>65495969Okay thanks for admitting I'm right>>65495971>Blah blah blah Say Israel is our enemy right now or your Hasidic visage will reveal itself
>>65495989he literally just said "total kike death" like are you illiterate or something
>>65496036I unironically missed it and thought he mentioned kurds for some reason.
>>65496057>Kurds on the brain.Either Turk or Iranian. No wonder you hate Israel so much.
>>65496155lmao no but hilarious
>>65492462Long before glide vehicles there was a lot more optimism about high speeds pic related. Those proposals were called hypersonic aircraft as opposed to supersonic aircraft.
>>65492462>The term hypersonic weapons originally refered to hypersonic glide vehicles with use lifting bodies and aerodynamic lift to maneuver at hypersonic speeds.Kind of. People were DESCRIBING weapons as hypersonic simply because they hit mach 5 at some point in flight but "hypersonic weapon" as a buzzword came decades later when meaningfully maneuvering at hypersonic velocities started appearing on the horizon. And even then HGVs are a meme as far as I'm concerned; the fucking things basically jink and weave a little after separation and then are actually SLOWER than conventional ballistic counterparts at the end of their terminal phase. Air-breathers or bust.>By this Russian definition the V2 rocket was hypersonic in 1945.Ehh. Whether the V-2 hit mach 5 or not depends on your measurements but I'd call it close enough.
>>65495956>ImperfectKek, look at this retard simping for Obama and crying about the US killing people who chant death to America.
>>65495966None of these three nations have any real threat of being over thrown by insurgents.
>>65497557Probably not, but Iraq is having a bigger insurgency problem than before the US invasion.
>>65497565No it isn't, because Iran can't fund it anymore.
>>65497530>no reasonable retort I accept the concession
>>65497557Being unable to crush insurgent and separatist groups is not a sign of a stable nation, which was the crux of the argument anon
>>65497882The only response to the ridiculous is ridicule. You did not put forth an argument, only a statement, and that statement was retarded. Iran doesn't get to have nuclear facilities anymore. Why? The US and Israel said so.
>65498483>Israel mentionedLike I said hope you savor it. The night of the short bus will end as the sun rises again on America.
>>65497859Sorta. Just because Iran can no longer effectively fund them doesn't mean they immediately stop existing, nor does it address the political power (and related economic power) they've accumulated within Iraq or the sectarian divides that helped create them in the first place.
>>65487222the deal is that "hypersonic missiles" are a meaningless turdie fixation. The United States has had hypersonic missiles since the 1960s.Turdies just like to talk about them because "hypersonic missiles" is a really cool sounding phrase and they don't care what it means and are not capable of understanding even if they did care.
>>65498745The US is developing maneuvering hypersonic weapons which are an entirely new class of capability. Thirdies are trying to co-opt the name for their 60s tech bullshit to make it sound like they aren't hopelessly behind the curve.
>>65489395>Christ, you're literally turning into a zigger parody.Shut up, just shut the fuck up there you shitass, don't you ever insinuate the cesspit that is the Islamic Republic military and the subhuman trash which composes has anything with the skill, balls and sheer spirit that you see in Ukraine Armed Forces, you are a historical bad joke, the answer to the question what happens when a bunch of "people" are so dumbas to put as leader a bunch of schizo mullahs and then proceed to waste their military and civilian resources for decades just to be the geopolitical equivalent of a vpn troll.
>>65491621Hypersonic is a term used rhetorically to invoke the idea that it achieves that speed in the terminal phase, thus making it difficult to intercept. Thirdies used that perception but conflate it with missiles that achieve hypersonic speed at any point in its flight path.
>>65487258Cringe.Making missile go fast to limit engagement opportunities is good. But making missile go fast was never the limiting factor. How do you guide it? Especially how do you guide it when your target is an aircraft carrier that does 30 knots? Even IF we're talking about an actual sustained Mach 10 hypersonic missile fired from 1000 miles away (which none of these so called hypersonics are) that carrier can move 4 miles in the flight time. These are hard problems to solve and I'm tired of pretending they're solved because the speedometer on a missile in Siberia hits a big number while it falls from the sky into a wheat field.
>>65498529A plant cut from its roots may remain green for a day or so, but is destined to brown and wither.
>>65498815Space shuttle Columbia is guided hypersonic missile with 178,000 payload, please understand
