Can anything compete with HIMARS?
Well, let's just put it this way. Most of my videos of HIMARS aftermath are upload blocked on blue boards because what HIMARS does to human bodies is so fucking brutal on such a widespread scale that it's hard to watch.So no I don't think anything can compare.
>>65488954Is there anything special about the launch platform itself? I always thought the missiles were pretty much the only special sauce. And the ability to shoot n scoot is ofc a worthwhile feature. Btw are there any news about the Turkish batch of himars ammo in Ukraine? Afaik it was some atacms along with a large quantity of unguided (?) rockets
>>65488960make a /gif/ thread or fake
>>65488980>Is there anything special about the launch platform itself?Outside of the targeting software/firmware suite, I don't really think so. The missile is what makes it so good>Btw are there any news about the Turkish batch of himars ammo in Ukraine?I think Ukraine pretty much put them to work immediately after they got them
>>65488960I actually was curious enough in the past to look into this. Something about the holes being so uniform in distance gives a trypophobia feeling like the lotus seed edits of flesh.
>>65488954The missile itself is ultimately meaningless; any reasonably advanced industrial nation can make a equivalent or even better. The targeting system and support (satellites and remote sensing) are what make it useful.
>>65488954What if we put TWO pods on it?
>>65488954drones apparently.
>>65488954>6 wheelsngmi
>>65488980HIMARS having the vehicle profile of a conventional 18-wheeler makes it more useful in peacetime for most nations to train with. Particularly reservists IMO; the vehicle part is no different than most other standard logistics trucks and can drive on most all public roadways unrestricted unlike the M270 or other tracked variants.
>>65488954HIMARS with Finnish operators
>>65489626It's also pretty quick to go from driving -> firing -> driving I think too right?
>>65489626>HIMARS>18-wheelerWhat? t. ESL
>>65489615four
>>65489707He means just the truck part
>>65489700All the launchers are.
>>65488954Satan
>>65488954Yes...her evil sister, SRAMIH!
w-what about me, a-anon?
>>65488960Catbox or didn't happen
>>65489714two (Flex)
>6 wheelsWe all know the answer
>>65489714>ten wheelsNow that's pod racing.
roadwheels?
>>65490199Yehs yehs vewy nice, perhaps not so loud when better missile launcher nearby? What dat? U need sperate launchers for heavy MLRS and barristic missile? So sad, at least better try than Capitalist trash. Come back to class, we must teach u how to into missile some more.
>>65489946>>65489061https://files.catbox.moe/kbsjj0.webmThis was one (1) shot against a column of troop transports
>>65490312honestly speaking why would that be anyhow a surprised anyhow, basically a big ass canister round landing on soft targets.
>>65488954Only 6 wheels huh?
>>65490446nta, but I think its because majority of people generally believe that these types of munitions simply don't exist or at the very least aren't fully aware of just how bad metal balls can fuck you up
>>65490446Actual bomblets would be even more effective but we went back to basics with ye old shrapnel shot because everyone bitched about duds.
>>65490312Fulda Gap would have been nuts.
>>65489615>Hide in the deepest forests to ensure maximum jekku>Ride fast and always evade counterstrikesDifficult choice.
>>65489714I'm assuming this was just a proof of concept? No way you need a 10x10 for four pods.
>>65490805Think it was just to show they could convert existing logistics vehicles to high capacity rocket artillery if anyone felt like buying them. Don’t know that anyone has pursued it further though.
>>65490841>>65490805They might want it to be really stable as well as use existing vehicles, the new KN-30s that Russia just got apparently have 10 wheels. I would presume 4 pods compared to two missiles 2x the size of an Iskandar would weigh about the same.
>>65488954Russia isnt too happy Sweden got Himars and Saab got GMLRS production. Cooperating with Finland as well.
How good is the SR-5? It's the Chinese HimarsMany countries bought itAlgeria buying it mean it's better than it's Russian counter part
>>65490805Proof of concept that you can just bolt 4+ MLRS pods to an LVSRI bet you could fit 6 if you wanted to
>>65491296The UAE did. They have a 18 wheeler with 4 122mm launchers on it, something like 120 tubes that can fire at once.
>>65490903>how goodWe will never know until we see it in action by a competent military opfor. No idea when that'll happen either.
iskander >>>> himars
>>65490312>https://files.catbox.moe/kbsjj0.webmimagine the smell
>>65491314honestly, Algeria using it against Libya or Morocco is fairly likely, and while they aren't competent, neither are Morocco or Libya, so they would probably get their shots down range and on target, since the "competence" side of the equation mostly comes down to your ability to stay alive before and after the actual barrage, and since it's Morocco and Libya it's not like they're gonna get BTFO in the assembly area while they are still trying to get their shit together.the reason why they wouldn't use it is because that would be a pretty major escalation, and also because Algeria is poor and GMLRS are expensive, and bombs stop having utility as a "fleet in being" when you actually use them.
>>65490903I expect it to be as good as their radar.
>>65490446>honestly speaking why would that be anyhow a surprised anyhow,Seeing a very big boom followed by burning wreckage and/or a marked absence of the target (JDAM my beloved) is a lot more obvious than seeing a much smaller airburst boom and a bunch of dust kicking up. Any kind of inert submunition is much more impressive when you see the after-effects at ground level and it looks like every possible surface has been riddled with buckshot that's more than capable of going all the way through an engine block.Fun fact: one M30A1 has the equivalent projectile count of of ~20,000 shells of 00 buck.>>65490903>How good is the SR-5? It's the Chinese HimarsDepends entirely on what's under the hood. The secret sauce behind the success of HIMARS in Ukraine that wasn't the result of the abject incompetence of Russian forces (ABM defenses, counter-battery fire, observation, etc.) was the hardened GPS and INS guidance systems that basically ignored Russian jamming measures and allowed them to drop on a dime. If the Chinese are exporting monkey models of their munitions then I'd expect them to eat shit pretty heavily against a capable opponent but if they're exporting the good stuff I'd expect them to do reasonably well. Considering that their most likely use case is brown-on-brown violence in MENA the safe money that we're not going to get a good look at anything besides the accuracy under uncontested conditions and the payload. The payload is a gimmie even for CHYNA and the accuracy is basically a nothingburger when the missile isn't fighting for its life.
>>65491551>Fun fact: one M30A1 has the equivalent projectile count of of ~20,000 shells of 00 buck.And the projectiles fly at 7k mph. They'll go through anything
>>65488954HIMARS is the ultimate middle way. Long range, accurate fires without sacrificing mobility or concealibility.While there are systems that beat it in any one of those categories, there are none that can beat it in all four.This is why the Finns invest in HIMARS, despite having the largest artillery in the west.
>>65488954It's just a modern SRBM capable launcher, there are a shitload made by different countries and they are all about the same.>>65488960This is the only major advantage it has, the ball warhead is amazing on soft targets.
>>65488980The special part is how simple and flexible it is. The other option for groundbased missiles of simmilar type is a M270. Heavier, slower, packs doubble the punch. But that also means twice as many missiles are at risk when moving around. Turns out more mobile and more widely distributed assets are preferable in the type of war going on. I am sure the M270 was excelent in dessert storm. Dence firepower, no real risk of precise long range counterbattery fire.
Just get both the HIMARS and the K239 Chunmoo, 2 different suppliers with varied weapons types for all purposes.HIMARS for the surgical stuff and K239 when you just need to split something open.I mean the CTM-290 has a fucking 500kg warhead.
>>65491662does anyone in nato have this yet?pretty sure poland is doing this right?
>>65491303That's the trailer thing with a bunch of Grads, right?I'd rather have 24 GMLRS than 120 Grad rockets
>>65490312>the starry sky above the truck bed
>>65489615Warcrime
>>65491406Dying probably improves mobile smell.
>>65489714>>65490805That vehicle in the photo seems to be loaded with ATACMS pods, or perhaps they're PrSM? There's often been demand for a lot of ATACMS missiles in a single salvo when trying to oversaturate an S-400 complex or something similar. That one strike that was particularly well documented used like 10 or 11 ATACMS missiles, iirc.
>>65488960Metal rain isnt remotely new. The MRLS had flechette munitions in the 80s and pretty much any airburst shell for traditional artillery will produce similar effects going all the way back to WW1. Himars is the newest iteration of the concept, but its business as usual.
>>65491653Pretty sure the only reason the Finnish Army invested in M270s was that HIMARS wasn't around yet, and old M270s were available dirt-cheap from nearby countries. They had an issue where the only munitions available for them were training ammo and AT-2 mines. But now with GMLRS and all the launchers being updated to A2-standard and refurbished, they're finally working as real artillery pieces.
>>65491731Poland, Estonia, Croatia will have both.Norway only plans to have the K239, but they also ordered the big boy CTM-X with 500km of range.
>>65491551>~20,000 shells of 00 buck.I guess you can say those Mobiks got..... Buck Broken
>>65492185Carlos!
>>65489115>Outside of the targeting software/firmware suite, I don't really think soThe self-loading crane is a feature. You've seen ziggers using shells to hammer rockets into launch tubes. Himars can swap out pods dropped ahead of time in unpredictable locations and then relocate to fire.
>>65492416>The self-loading crane is a feature.>You've seen ziggers using shells to hammer rockets into launch tubes.This is a big point. The reason the Nork and PRC versions look like HIMARS is they copied the loading system. Being able to quickly load a entire pod instead of hammering in individual rockets is a massive survivability boost, even if they are using the same rockets from a older system. Combining faster fire rates with increased survivability makes them several times more effective than older systems.
>>65489626LMTVs are fixed body trucks. So they're actually far more common then tractor trailers setups. It takes maybe 30 minutes to license a dude to drive one. Eh make it an hour I forgot about the written test
>>65491853>produce similar effects going all the way back to WW1In pre and early WW1 shrapnel shells were the default munition used in field guns. HE didn't become the norm until later.
>>65491839A single vehicle with 8 PrSMs seems like it would be pretty effective. A HIMARS with bigger, longer range missiles, and more of them.
>>65492416>The self-loading crane is a feature.That seems to be a common feature, as both the HIMARS and the Chunmoo has it. But to be honest i have no idea wtf kinda features the russian stuff has, outside of "man with sledge"
>>65490312How long does the war have to go on until it becomes economically viable to sift the top soil in the Donbas for rare earth metals
>>65492526>wtf kinda features the russian stuff hasheave ho comrades, lets load this wildly inaccurate MLRS one rocket at a time
>>65492526>>65492550forgor bic
>>65492557I remember working with a Kandak that had one of those, along with a few D-30's, as organic artillery. To this day i wonder if they ever hit anything but dirt and the occasional flock of sheep. Afghan OODA loop is something that needs to be watched and studied
>>65491839>>65492511if you had something like an iskander (which has proper countermeasures against air defense) then you'd only need one missile to take out an AD battery. or maybe the the PrSMs are fine and the problem is that S-400s are are a lot better than patriots. idk
>>65492668S-400 is really only exceptional at shooting down civilian airliners and friendly jets, so idk about that. Other russian AA systems like vidrel seem more effective
>>65492676so why are 11 ATACMS needed to take one out? are ATACMS missiles 11 times worse than Iskanders?
>>65492668>if you had something like an iskander (which has proper countermeasures against air defense)Would those be the countermeasures that were so 'good' that Russia abandoned them on new production missiles to instead use copies of Nork countermeasure cartridges?
>>65492697I mean, if russia's only functional ballistic missile (picrel) were inferior to an SRBM a fraction of the size, that would be a problem. But then again, russia also blows dozens of iskanders monthly with zero observable effect, so one has to wonder
>>65490841This. All the supply trucks just became potential modular MLRS launchers. With no turret, they have to be manually aimed by the driver in order to squeeze out the last bit of maximum range, but that's easy enough to do with the help of the same laptop used to operate the pods.
>>65492697How many S-400 batteries have been taken out with Iskanders?
>>65492776Well lets be honest here, its not impossible that the number is greater than zero
>>65492668>then you'd only need one missile to take out an AD batteryAre you certain that you know what the word battery means in this context?
>>65492776Patriots have been taken out by iskanders. So eithera. patriots are much worse than s-400sb. iskanders are much better than atacms
>>65492714>with zero observable effect
>>65492822this ammo depot was confirmed to have been iskandered btw. the bucha one was hit by a drone though
>>65492814>Patriots have been taken out by iskanders.And they only fired the one?
>>65492822also responsible in part for total warehouse death in ukraine, though credit should be split with drones.https://euromaidanpress.com/2026/09/05/russia-destroyed-most-of-ukraines-big-warehouses-now-the-country-is-scrambling-to-build-small-ones-everywhere/
>>65492830we have footage of patriots firing several missiles to defend themselves before being nailed by a single iskander. also successful patriot interceptions of iskanders were at like 30% at best, so you'd need 1.5 iskander missiles on average. much better than 11
>>65492840>we have footage of patriots firing several missiles to defend themselves before being nailed by a single iskanderand the iskander was the only thing in the air? russia fired nothing but a single iskander?
>>65492847there were also the missiles that the patriot fired into the air to no effect (other than crashing back down to ground and killing ukrainian civilians)
>>65492858Try being less blatantly dishonest. Maybe your propagandizing will work better.
>>65492707if Russians were able to improve their missile tech, that just makes the iskander better. also patriots never intercepted more than like 30% of iskander strikes to begin with
>>65492885dilate
>>65492937compelling argument
>>65492840>we have footage of patriots firing several missiles to defend themselves before being nailed by a single iskander. We do?
>>65492933Saar, you missed the whole joke about Russia needing the Norks to show them how to make missiles and countermeasures in the first place.
>>65490312>https://files.catbox.moe/kbsjj0.webmwhy do these lazy faggots lie there like BBs can do thatwork evading faggots they are
>>65493206Anon, please. They're dead tired after a long day of stealing dishwashers and bumming each other. Let them have a nap.
>>65492840>we have footage of patriots firing several missiles to defend themselves before being nailed by a single iskandermay we see it?
>>65490446>>654889601M per missile for worthless vatniks.
>>65492185More like shell shock? Mayhaps?
>>65493775Living vatniks are worthless. Dead vatniks are priceless.
>>65488954Yeah. HERMARS
>>65490818The Cheshire Cat paintjob is going to be in the paint options for HIMARS scale model kits for decades, I think. It's iconic.
>>65491746That part makes it truly obvious how fucked it is. Absolutely no chance of not being riddled, you will be hit multiple times.
>>65493775Breaking offensive before it starts is worth more
>not a single mention of the GOATbaka
>>65492840I notice a suspicious lack of said footage attached to your post. Could you, perhaps, made that all up during your daily krokodil bad trip?
>>65495687why are you replying to vatnigger bait from yesterday? are u ok anon?
>>65495492what exactly makes this the goat?
>>65494293For everything else, there's Mastercard
>>65495862look at the missile options for the thing
>>65495900and it can fire 122mm GRAD rockets from pre-loaded pods
>>65495900>>65495907looks pretty standard to mealthough being able to fire grad rockets is kinda cool but their range is so short that it doesn’t really matter
>65496201ammo depot status?cock in ass status?
>cauldronposting>in 2026it's like seeing a shiny pokemon
>>65496201It is refreshing to see someone more deluded and annoying than i am.
>>65492714>russia's only functional ballistic missileThey (probably) just got a few KN-30s but that isn't really Russia is it?
>>65489714moggs Smerch
>>65492697>so why are 11 ATACMS needed to take one out? are ATACMS missiles 11 times worse than Iskanders?Most of them get shot down in flight. They are pretty basic as ballistic missiles go.
>>65492697Well unless the whole battery is parking vehicle next to vehicle you need a missile per part of the battery. What is it, like a radar, 3 launch vehicles or something like that.
Anyway, we will be getting KN-30s and a Nork operational weapons test by new year including real hypersonic missiles and a few really big theater missiles.It will not change anything in Ukraine, Russia is losing this war. It disgusts me that Norks are wasting their lives on the sunken cost fallacy that is Russia.
>>65491853If I figure out how to strap this to a missile do I get paid?
>>65505827That's just the ATACMs..
>>65505927It would be M30A2 Alternative, ATACMs tungsten anti-personnel is a cluster munition.I mean a small tungsten directional missile warhead. Fit is to Hellfires or even Javelins. Or scale up and slap on SM-2s
>>65505995Retard here, what's the pic and why do I want to lick the surfaces?1
>>65506498Looks like additively manufactured explosive casings of various types. The swirls are channels for BBs. Everything from defensive frag grenade to directional frag, conical shape charge, EFP, and HEDP.
>>65506498>and why do I want to lick the surfaces?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pica_(disorder)It's known to coexist with autism.
>>65488960>Well, let's just put it this way.why all this pomp?
>>65492557post the proper loading one
>>65506498
