Big plon
Yes, they're big
>>65494856>>65495176I fook luv the beeg plon
>>65494856i like big chaina plain :D
>>65495459I think it's amazing these things were flying in commercial service until recently.
>>65495480:D
In my dreams, I still can see her.
What was that one the Nips planed which would have been the largest aircraft ever?
>>65495741I love the Princess. Early postwar airplanes were wild.
>>65495905KX-3
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>>65495921Ty! Now, if built, would she even be able to fly?
>>65494856https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_n_lG-IdSk
>大東亜戦争時、第二次真珠湾攻撃「K作戦」直前、クェゼリン環礁付近で潜水艦からの洋上補給を実施する「二式大艇」を撮影した当時の写真。(*・∀・)ゞ>This photograph was taken during the Greater East Asia War, just before the Second Pearl Harbor Attack, "Operation K," showing a Type 2 Flying Boat carrying out underway resupply from a submarine near Kwajalein Atoll. (*・∀・)ゞ
Emily Interior
>>65495633checked, one of the wackiest
>>65494856I hope the the US adopts the US-2 I would do just about anything to fly it
>>65496349>(You) againyes we know, anon
>>65495921Pretty sure that big cunt ended up being the centrepiece of a Lupin III episode.
>>65497550Probably one directed by Miyazaki too. >The Emily is being positioned on the deck cradle aboard Akitsushima, giving an excellent impression of the size of the aircraft. Akitsushima could hoist even the Mavis or Emily aboard for servicing, but the aircraft had to be returned to the water to take off.
>>65497521By all accounts the HK8 Emily was pretty tough and a solid machine... but I don't get why they made it so big. PBY Catalina seems just right for WW2 jobs and WW2 battlespace dimensions. Not impossible to conceal either.I guess the HK8 has a big enough belly to deliver useful quantity of supplies per trip?... but if you're desperate enough to resort to that, it probably follows the airspace is contested, so... this conspicuous fatty would prob get downed, as history showed.>>65495921Is this basically the jap equivalent of Amerikabomber?Like the idea's to stuff 200 paratroopers in there, use the vast belly to support a trans-oceabic flight, and then poop out the paras over PNW or Los Angeles, et cetera?
>>65497599>but I don't get why they made it so bigTo give it a longer range mainly. IJN also went in on floatplane fighters and bombers under the assumption they would be operating in areas before airfields were set up. With the Emily specifically there was also a desire for it to be able to reach Pearl Harbor from the Marshall Islands, but in actual practice this wasn't particularly effective (Operation K).>To achieve the desired range [of 3,900 nautical miles] a total of six large fuel tanks were located within the hull worked in conjunction with eight smaller wing tanks; when full, fuel alone comprised 29 percent of the flying boat's maximum take-off weight.
>>65496187>AI colorizing>Deletes one of the motors
Theres something that is so right about this design
>>65498392Fug :DDDD
>>65497599>but I don't get why they made it so big. PBY Catalina seems just right for WW2 jobsH8K >Range: 7,152km>Max Speed: 467kmhPBY-5>Range: 4,060km>Max Speed: 315kmh
>>65498604H8K was twice the weight of PBY, had twice as many more powerful engines, and had more than twice the fuel capacity (18,880 L vs. 7,000 L)A more apt comparison between the H8K would be Short Sunderland (and more appropriately its post-war upengined successor the S.45 Seaford) or Consolidated PB2Y Coronadothe post-war Seaford with 1,720 hp Bristol Hercules engines had a gross weight of 75,000 lb comparable to the H8K and 5,000 km rangePB2Y-5 had a MTOW of 66,000 with about 2,000 km range<--probably the least impressive of WWII flying boats with its 10,000 L fuel capacity; the Coronado also had kind of an odd design with bomb bays in the wings. Many of them ended up utilized by NATS as -3R and -5R unarmed cargo & personnel / VIP transports. Pic is a factory fresh PB2Y-2 (BuNo 1633, the first -2 built) of VP-13 in Navy pre-acceptance flight over San Diego 26 November 1940The PBY had superior long range loiter time than any WWII maritime patrol flying boat due to its low cruise speed of about 130 mph.
Is there ever a case of these planes landing on water and being struck by storm not being able to fly off? Maybe its too easy to see an approaching storm.
>>65502650USS Salisbury Sound (AV-13) hoisting a P5M Marlin
>>65502650>>65502680>P5Mcorrection: a P5M-1 Marlin, the first variant with low-mounted stabilizer (pic is from 1957 so at that time was the more common version in service; the later P5M-2 with T-tail had begun deliveries in mid-1954)
Blohm und Voss ftw
I have a dumb question. Has anyone been caught by a storm while landed? I assume its too easy to see a storm on the horizon and just fuck off before the waves and the wind become too strong to take off.
pic related also looks like a flying boat
>>65499622>>65503593Even the larger flying boats had problems operating on rough water; these airplanes aren't 'ships' designed to travel on the water surface. They need relatively calm smooth sea conditions to take off and land.Most flying boat operations (civilian or naval) were built and configured to take place in sheltered inlets along coastlines, inside an ocean atoll, from estuaries, rivers, or inshore lakes where the water surface. That is where any military would build their flying boat base, or where airlines would operate their transports from. Read about Pan Am's Clippers to learn about locations where these planes were moored, staged and based from.That is why, for example, when flying boats are used today for firefighting water bomber duties, they operate and draw water (if they aren't dropping chemicals) from inshore freshwater lakes. Ocean ops are undertaken only with clear foreknowledge of sea state and weather conditions. Yes (when en route airborne) they want to avoid storms just like any other large aircraft would.
>>65505084>where the water surfacestays smooth placid and calm most of the time.
>>65496046No.
>>65505084All but one
>>65505809It can, but not good for the airframe and obviously is a greater hazard to operate in high seas.PBY Catalina prototype, at the time designated XP3Y-1, being trialed in rough water off the Catalina Islands, California in 1935. (modifications to the airplane's tail surfaces/rudder were made after this testing)This was *ninety years ago* <--
Conwing L-16 with custom aftermarket engine tuning.
^ nice
JRM
German seaplane tender BussardIt's got a big catapult along the center of the ship.
BV238 is one of the most attractive airplanes of all time. There's a timeline where a luxury passenger lonee of this exiated.
In World War II they put about a dozen DC-3s on floats and one determined Boomer made it happen again back in the '90s. It still flies.
>>65510177plane autists are based as hell
>>65507572Alternative history always hinges around silly counterfactuals that exist to contrive an outcome, but a Cold War Blohm and Voss nuclear warfare flying boat and the timeline that allows it to happen would be incredible to see
>>65510045A true shame it didn't survive the war.
>>65510045>>65510425>attractiveit's neat but wouldn't call it thatI am a fan of the German proclivity for various diesel-engined large aircraft. For example the massive proposed Junkers EF 100 powered by Jumo 9-223 2,500 hp dieselshttps://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_EF_100
>>65510832>Junkers EF 1001940 proposal was for Deutsche Lufthansa and was similar to Focke-Wulf's transozeanprojekt TO-Project of that era, but almost twice the size. Te EF 100 was to carry a 20,000 kg payload over 9,000 km range, and a maritime reconnaissance bomber variant was to carry a 5,000 kg bomb load. In 1941 Junkers' design team reportedly gave up on it but because of ongoing problems with the Fw 200 (Focke-Wulf itself around same time had the proposed Fw 261 purpose-designed maritime patrol bomber replacement... and even Focke-Wulf's Fw 300 successor to the Condor had just four Jumo 9-222 engines) in the Atlantic to support U-boats was ordered by RLM to resume work; then the EF 100 was finally canceled at end of 1942.
>>65510862>EF 100 was to carry a 20,000 kg payload over 9,000 km range, and a maritime reconnaissance bomber variant was to carry a 5,000 kg bomb loadThe Jumo 223 was a multibank opposed-piston diesel that had four banks of six cylinders in rhomboid arrangement. The engine was built in front and rear halves, quad-castings of three cylinders in each bank for the individual halves; and each cylinder had two opposed pistons. (The Jumo 205 diesel, used in the BV 138, had six cylinders with 12 pistons.) The Jumo 223 had forty-eight pistons total.https://oldmachinepress.com/2015/09/26/junkers-jumo-223-aircraft-engine/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Jumo_223Fw 300 for comparison (with four Jumo 222 gasoline engines)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_300It would have been one of the most spectacular airplanes of all time, nevertheless.
>>65510862>>65510908Around the same circa 1940 timeframe, Weser Flugzeugbau AG aka Weserflug also had been working on Lufthansa transocean flying boat projects, including the WFG P.2136 which was to be powered (similar to the BV 222) by six Jumo 207 C diesels, and the P.2138 with 229 ft wingspan—powered by four Jumo 223s with contra-rotating propellers—that could be fitted as a minelayer and long range (10,900 km) reconnaissance flying boat. WFG's P.2138 project would have had a 30,000 kg higher gross weight, double the range of, and longer wingspan (slightly shorter fuselage) than the BV 238.Work on these projects ceased around the time of occupation of France 1940
Someone has to go here. It's an experimental boat from The Central Hydrofoil Design Bureau.
>>65505839Catalina was tested and rated for high SS2 for the WW2 version and low SS3 for the modern version. US-2 is rated for the lower end of SS5 and regularly does training in SS4.
>>65516319>Catalina tested and rated for high SS2 for the WW2 versionMay we see the published documentation?>'the modern version'What does that mean
>>65516474>May we see the published documentation?NGAA. They maintain old warstock Catalina's and are building a civil Catalina built to the same standards as PBYs converted from retied WW2 models.>What does that meanAlso NGAA building a modernized military variant with higher specs rates it at SS3, but leaves any higher use to user discretion.
>>65516565>buildingare you talking about the proposed turboprop-powered Catalina II? That's a different airplaneVaporware>'rated for SS'None of that has any meaning. The old Canso planes are restorations of 1940s-manufacture airframes
someone post a sunderland or walrus before I kill myself
>>65516596It seems that /k/ historical aircraft threads have only about 3 anons volunteering images. I am one of them but do not happen to have any Walrus or Sunderland pics Alternatively (You) could become an image contributor to these topic threads4chan being an imageboard site
My favorite, the Dornier Do 26. I've featured this one in a series of novellas I'm writing.
>>65517030Dornier made some nice seaplanes.
>>65517039It's too bad they only ever made six of the Do 26.
>>65517053What a shame.
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>>65517078whoops(thanks anon for the kino webms)
>>65503025dornier built the prettiest flying boats
>>65518936They had some novel aviation ideas
>>65516596>walrusmeet the Supermarine Seagull ASR.1this was the post-WWII replacement for the Walrus and Sea Otterfirst prototype PA143, pictured here likely at Southampton Water around time of its initial flight testing, summer 1948
>>65494856>Amateurs
>>65519175Seagull had a pylon mounted Rolls-Royce Griffon 29 with contra-rotating 6-blade Rotol propeller at center wing. Observer window was located at rear of the pylon, and the plane had a 7-person rescue capacity in addition to three flight crew (pilot, navigator and medic).
>>65519191>Supermarine Seagull ASR.1the Seagull was a tidy clean design with 52 ft wingspan and OAL 44 ftWing was foldable for shipboard stowage, had variable angle of incidence, with slotted flaps and full leading edge slatsUndercarriage was removable to allow the amphibian to be operated as a pure flying boatnote the neatly retracting tail wheel
>>65519260Seagull also had an arrester hook for carrier landings and JATO mounting points just above the mainwheel wells
>>65519272the Seagull was designed for the air-sea rescue mission without defensive armament and had greater internal rescue accommodation than the Walrus and Sea Otter biplanes it was slated to replacePic is first prototype PA143 at the inaugural Farnborough exposition, September 1948By the early 1950s in western navies, helicopters had begun to replace (all sizes of) seaplanes and flying boats
>>65505852Based.
There's a cool flying boat in this movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw0YhiqOPFg
>>65497599The japanese america bomber project was called project Z, and it didn't involve using a gigantic flying boat that can only fly with ground effect to attack strategic bombing targets over land.
>>65503650Looks more like one of those Italian bombers with third engine in nose
>>65517039>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_EF_100Wow, the gunner got the pilots attention by tapping on the fucking windscreen.
>>65520111checked, Smoky!
>>65520151the outline of the third, middle engine is visible in the sonar pic to be on the elevated wings. Dornier Do24T?
>>65503650Dornier 24
>>65521276sexxx
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>>65520106>nice berths>guy with the cigar>guy on the phone>Dornier perfectionmagnificent
>>65495741What do you think the in flight service was like on the GG Allin plane?
>>65521987Like Xenogears. Covered in shit and happy about it
these were like a mini flying boat and floatplane rolled into one
>>65521987Crash the plane with no survivors
>>65521965>pilot's nod after depth charge detonationkek
Flying around the world because the Japs attacked.
>>65525172FUCK YOU BALTIMORE
>>65524486Covered in Solarian and happy about it
>>65526813https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e49pQF14xF0&pp=ygUQWGVub2dlYXJzIHJlbWFrZQ%3D%3DShit is still shit
>>65525171>>65525172the cabin accoutrements
>>65503650>>65521156>>65521259>Do 24yes
>>65505084>firefighting water bomber dutiesJust got home from a sailing holiday in the Adriatic. Right on the first day of the trip we saw a forest fire break out on a ridge about 1 nm from us. In few minutes a CroAF Canadair Super Scooper appeared and started working, taking water from the sea less than half nm from us. In a couple minutes a float-equipped AirTractor joined him and chose a stretch of sea no further than 300 yards away for scooping. Amazing view, and the pilots ride those planes really hard.
>>65516046many of these earlier flying boats look fragile
>>65525170Poor guy in the "engine" nacelle must crank the propeller at superhuman speeds
>>65530181colorized, but nice
>>65532615>>65530181Cute bote
all these big plons got me wondering. If you had infinite money, would it be feasible to buy one, deck out its loadout as a living compartment and live on this flying around the planet? how strict are the restrictions on where they can land if so why has no rich fag done that yet. Most seem to gravitate towards floating palaces that are slow as fuck and exposed to stormy weather as any mid sized boat. private jets are a thing, but by their essence they are more like very expensive and fast global taxies then actual flying house
Black Cats
>>65537102Someone did that in the 1950s. It was a Catalina conversion called the Landseaire. There was an old article in LIFE magazine about it. If I recall correctly it was awesome until they got careless and parked it in the Arab equivalent of the ghetto and got attacked by Bedouins who shot up the plane and they barely escaped with their lives. As for why rich people nowadays don't do this sort of thing, it's because rich people in those days were captains of industry and self made men who fought in wars and led by example, and were expected to have exotic hobbies and adventures appropriate to that pedigree, and rich people nowadays are failsons with inheritances, dipshit influencers, and geriatrics who molest and murder children.
>>65540882Forgot image
OA-10A in USAF postwar service
>>65540882the beduins were part of the saudi arabia army. They opened fire on them since they thought they were israeli commandos
We were robbed.
>>65540882>geriatrics who rape childrenStill doesn't explain away flying boats.>perhaps you're wondering why someone would breed a bussy before throwing them off a plane?
>>65549011Anon, it would have ripped itself apart attempting take off
>>65549189Not with glorious nippon steel folded over 9000 time.
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^ what engines are those?
