https://www.cnn.com/2026/09/09/politics/pickaxe-mountain-construction-us-underground-strikes-iran-visThis article is mostly about Pickaxe Mountain, however:>But there are signs the US is working to devise some means of striking those sites, even as US forces have largely focused on other types of targets during the six-month conflict with Iran.>Four days before the US launched Operation Epic Fury, a program manager at an obscure Pentagon agency charged with combating weapons of mass destruction signed an emergency $1.2 million contract justification to repair a “unique subterranean test facility at White Sands Missile Range” in New Mexico for a “live-fire test designed to validate classified capabilities against rapidly emerging threats.”>The document from the Defense Threat Reduction Agency was uploaded to a federal database on February 27 — the day before the war started.>The memo said the “rapid test prep,” as another database labeled the contract awarded to Pate Construction, needed to be complete within two-to-three weeks due to “a time-sensitive national security directive.”
Kinda derailing but this post made me start wondering: if the US did hypothetically have a classified super-penetration bomb/missile with greatly improved performance compared with publicly known variants, would anyone be able to actually tell? Over-performing ground penetrating munitions can be chalked up to integrity of the underlying structure, soil/ground composition, multiple hits, etc. And unlike normal munitions, you're not really seeing the blast, just the aftermath - unless you're a dead man, that is. I suppose there are seismic measurements, but is that reliable? Since I presume the interior structure of whatever you're hitting will change those readings significantly, and might not have any relevance for a munition with similar payload but improved penetration
>>65495995Just send in a special forces team and kill everyone on site and rig it to blow. There are hundreds if not thousands of operators salivating at the chance to be let off the chain.
>>65495995i think mathematically there is a limit to bomb compared to depth inside of mountain that you can hide those labs. I think bombs give up before mountains do. >>65496051one iota in this tactic's favor
>>65495995there's is a limit but a functioning air force would use a different method called "interdiction" to stop further engineering operations in that area. unfortunately since the USN air wings are disabled and the USAF too busy forward positioning their aircraft in missile fire to achieve a lower sortie rate than the IDF it is likely they will not even attempt such an operation
>>65496051If they could, they would. But it's a suicide mission, so no one would give the OK.
>>65496131Lmao you are absolutely seething.
>>65495995Yes, but they’re just updated bunk busters.>>65496011>would anyone be able to actually tell?Besides seismic data, which you addressed? No.>>65496051No need. We can already destroy their nuclear facilities like we did last year. No need for boots on the ground when we’re already winning with replaceable bombs and air power.>>65496131>NAFO actually believes this
>>65495995Yes, there are more capable bunker busters than the ones we have used. However they are very unlikely to actually see any use here because they are nuclear bombs that were developed for hitting extremely hardened underground targets during the Cold War. Beyond that there are next generation bunker busters in development, but iirc those contracts are fairly recent and likely haven’t produced anything resembling a useable system yet.
The matured tech stemming from Project MARAUDER actually transfers the toroidal energy from the plasma ring to a pre-defined point through almost all solid surfaces minus the ones that have a tricky resonance similarity but in testing it was like some random fucking sodium crystal shit that's brittle as fuck and even if identified by an adversary it wouldn't work in subterranean structure construction. Literally being completely 100 with you retards right now just got laid off from Oak Ridge and am drinking away the night.
>>65496354Joke's on you, I like schizo posts intimating the US has scifi weapons tech
>>65496189>We can already destroy their nuclear facilities >like we did last year.<Hahahaha
>>65495995>Does the DoD/MIC actually have something better than bunker busters?Yeah, we've had them for 81 years. We've got thousands of them just sitting around waiting for our Boomer politicians to stop being gay army-fetishists (a seemingly impossible task for such a degraded generation), and just use the weapon we all know could fix the world in a matter of minutes instead of fapping around with useless conventional forces.
>>65496131>>65495995what about drones? I know that sounds retarded, but a complex like this still needs ventilation, doesn't it? Couldn't ventilation tunnels provide ingress?
>>65496466>mfw
>>65495995Just fucking bury them in $1 bills. It's cheaper. They don't biodegrade.
>>65495995>Does the DoD/MIC actually haveIf they did, they're keeping it quieter than I'd think possible because if the whitehouse knew it existed then it would have been used in Iran already and Trump would have shitposted gloating about it. I don't know the munitions company that wouldn't leak it to their golfing partners to get their weapons used and get new big orders as a result, so it can't be a commercial project either. So I think that "enough dirt and rock" is currently the state of the art in defence technology.And excavating that with sufficient high explosives and rapid strikes is probably the state of the art in offensive technology too.
>>65496540>eurotard projecting xis homo-colored plastic money having ass onto real countries' money
Wasn't the claim last year something along the lines of>Our bunker buster goes through 100ft of mountain>And if it isn't enough we'll just shoot bunch moreWhy would they need something else?
>>65496051>>65496135How did tunnel rats even manage to capture Vietnamese networks when they were both worse-equipped, worse-trained, and up against people who were comparatively better quality than anything Iran could pay to stay in its theocracy?
>>65496529You can see it in the eyes
>>65497292>How did tunnel rats even manage toThey put boots under the ground.
>>65495995Probably a rocket assisted GBU-57. The air force looked at a rocket assisted 2000lbs bomb for the F-35 called HVPW that supposedly had similar penetrating capabilities of a 5000lbs bomb but there's been no news on it.
>>65495995iranians invented that basalt reinforced rebar thing for this reason anonthe only thing that can be seriously used to actually reach those two bases are only nukes im not even kidding and it has to be at least a 40kt warhead on a surface burst to maximize the crater size
>>65495995Yeah, bussy busters.
>>65496577It’s extremely gay that we made a bomb SPECIFICALLY for these facilities and refuse to drop it.>t. B-61 Mod 13 Chad>>65499779Which is why we made the B-61 Mod 13
>>65497148>need something elseLack if transport. You need to ferry from point A to B. Even a B2 max could carry like 2.Unless the US has like a train of 20 B-2s making a beeline to target, I don't see that working.Even theres 20 B-2s the operation risks are there too.
>>65496051>Just send in a special forces team and kill everyone on siteSpecial forces teams lose against a few platoons of militia, let alone the kind of guard force you'd put in a place like this.>>65497292>anything Iran could pay to stayThis may shock you, but religious fundamentalists can make pretty good fighters, and they're generally not in it for the money.
>>65499807That’s assuming all strikes need to be completed in one shot which I’m skeptical of. The target is stationary so there isn’t much they need to do other than aim for the same hole they already hit. As long as they can keep making the bombs they can keep burrowing in deeper and deeper. Also a subterranean test facility for bombs isn’t inherently for an underground nuke factory. It could be for the bunker that the new ayatollah (if he’s even alive) is being kept in or any number of things.
>>65497292>people who were comparatively better quality than anything Iran could pay to stay in its theocracyamericans really have a talent for this sort of endless delusiondidnt learn their lesson in vietnamdidnt learn their lesson in afghanistanbeing given another opportunity to learn that same lesson in iran, anyone want to guess if they're going to learn it this time?let me put it to you like thishypothetically, if china somehow started bombing the u.s.how many bombs would they need to drop before you decided to surrender the country to them, hand over the president and vice president to be executed, and become a chinese vassal state?if they managed to assassinate some congressmen, how many would they need to assassinate before you decided to give up?if you answered>i'd never surrender to china no matter how much they bombed usthen congratulations, you now understand how the average vietnamese/afghan/iranian person feels
>>65499805the point is that nobody is gonna nuke iran anon
>>65495995We’ll find out but first you’ll have to endure>Trump threatens to bomb pickaxe mountain >Trump really threatens to bomb pickaxe mountain>Trump really really threatens to bomb pickaxe mountain >Trump walks back threat to bomb pickaxe mountain says Iran is begging to negotiate >Trump says negotiations are going very well >Trump says bombing pickaxe mountain may be on the cards, we’ll see >Trumps says the US doesn’t even need to bomb pickaxe mountain>Trump threatens to bomb pickaxe mountain >Trump blames allies for lack of support in bombing pickaxe mountain >Trump threatens potential huge escalation against Iran involving pickaxe mountain >Trump says pickaxe mountain is already destroyed>Trump says pickaxe mountain is virtually already destroyed>Trump says unless Iran enters negotiations he’ll bomb pickaxe mountain >Trump calls off bombing of pickaxe mountain says the Iranians caved and are negotiating >Trump threatens pickaxe mountain Before the US finally bombs pickaxe mountain. If such a device exists
>>65499968>if china somehow started bombing the u.s.how many bombs would they need to drop before you decided to surrender the country to them, hand over the president and vice president to be executed, and become a chinese vassal state?if they managed to assassinate some congressmen, how many would they need to assassinate before you decided to give up?How many can they take?
>>65499984they dont need to they just have to take hawaii
>>65499968The Iranians didn't show any of that gusto against Iraq.
So, was maneuver warfare just a fluke? Turns out if you build a strong enough fortress you really can't just counter it with air power.Though I'm not sure why the US wouldn't target Iran's food and water supplies first: are those mountain fortresses self-sustaining?
>>65499968It would take a grand total of a month before we surrender. Know why? Because we have a traitorous corporate/kike class in the US who would sell their own countrymen into slavery as long as they could lord over their fellow slaves. The corporate kikes see China as an "emerging market", and have done so for the past few decades. Why fight on, when we could simply surrender and resume business as usual? Tim Apple needs more iphones from the factory in China. All the battery electric carmakers need chink batteries for their shitty smartphones on wheels. There are millions of Americans who would roll over and accept chink lordship out of convenience.What I want means nothing. Most of my fellow Americans are cattle and would accept whoever rules over them next. Hell, half of America hates America and would support chink governance of the US.Now keep in mind there was Iranian resistance to the ruling government, and there still is. But crucially, we did not support the resistance to the IRGC when they were being slaughtered back in January. The remaining Iranian resistance lives outside of Iran. Much like how anti-communist cubans moved out of Cuba, anyone who could leave Iran has done so over the years, so now the only people left there are the durka type theocrats who will be willing meatsacks for the chinks in a proxy war against the US.
>>65500268Iran has shown without a doubt that "high speed, low drag" is effectively a WWI cavalry situation>Iranian Navy fast attack craft all dumpstered by submarines and large, armored surface combatants >US Navy's own fast attack craft prove too vulnerable to commit to the strait>US air force unable to pull a Desert Storm against Iranian fortifications with more mature technology, is steadily losing air frames to attrition>Iranian Air Force virtually uselessWelcome back, static warfare.
>>65500217>>65499968>>65500366The Iraqis with their unrestricted warfare knew where to hit the Iranians where it hurt: the stomach. Even the staunchest fanatic is going to be more agreeable after a sufficient amount of starvation, especially if it's affecting his whole community, and I suspect if China were to go whole hog on the US they'd be targeting farms over cities just like an atomic General Sherman. That's probably why the US thought Iraq was a huge deal during the Gulf War, because they still knew how to operate warfare with a premodern mindset which effectively counters most of ye old fanatics' strengths and were able to inflict disproportionate amounts of damage on their rival per their capabilities.
>>65500378>>65500268>does ineffectively using only long range bombardment prove that capturing objectives, securing territory, and even moving around at all in warfare was a fluke?well shit you dumb niggers I just don't know, maybe we'll get to see if they ever put any actual fucking maneuver elements on the ground
>>65499968See the big difference is the Viet Cong liked their leaders. Whereas a great deal of Americans would be more than happy for China to come in and mow the lawn. I for one welcome our Chinese overlords
>>65500568You do you but don't speak for everyone else.
>>65500591It's just the usual oblast-posting D&C shit trying to make treason and national suicide sound cool and edgy.
>>65503203Outside of the obvious trolls I sometimes think that people think americans bickering with each other is as feisty as they get and they'd be glad to have some other big power come in and settle the score for them (because third worlders can't stop thinking like third worlders) without fully realizing how fuck-ass mad they get when someone ELSE fucks with them. A couple of buildings got knocked down, and in response they knocked down a couple of countries. Maybe a full on sustained attack from another power would cause some chaos and confusion, but once the morale boost from the patriotic country music kicks in they're going to be in the streets fucking baying for foreign blood to flow. The much vaunted rally-round-the-flag effect is not exclusive to mudhut dwellers.
>>65503203Some of us aren't so fond of being ethnically replaced, being monitored and impovrished. Why should I not root for the abolition of this regime??
>>65503698You might be right. Perhaps it's an understandable ignorance of the kind of culture that free speech creates. Which is laughable on 4chan but such people tend not to suffer from an over-abundance of self-awareness.>>65505281>Why should I not root for the abolition of this regime??Because every invader would be far worse. We fix our own shit at the polls, or in court, or by getting involved in politics. You wouldn't understand because it's literally illegal to try in your totalitarian second-world shithole.
>>65495995Couldn't you drop MOPs down the same hole again? Or drop a nuke down there. If anyone asks pretend the radiation comes from the Iranian centrifuges.
>>65503698Oohrah-ing when the country music starts playing is a liability when it gets you to waste your time, money, men and markers.The ugly truth is america could handle a 9/11 every year and while it would be sad the country would still be better off compared to what the GWOT did. Constant threat inflation has led to the point where it's been more than 25 years now when GWB, on September 10th, published a strategy to confront China and you're again fighting bullshit wars in the ME.
>>65508024Is there any reason not to use a nuke against these facilities? I mean, the whole "nukes are a heckin' warcrime" thing is about hitting cities. A purely military facility way out in the mountains seems like a perfectly acceptable use for a nuclear weapon.
>>65495995Why not just bomb the construction site
>>65503698>without fully realizing how fuck-ass mad they get when someone ELSE fucks with themSomeone else has been pretending to be you to manipulate discourse, manipulating what news you see or don't see to manipulate discourse etc etc, on social media for the last 10 years. Yet no one is mad.
>>65499968>how many bombs would they need to drop before you decided to surrender the country to them, hand over the president and vice president to be executed, and become a chinese vassal state?False premise, because those are not our demands and we've already killed their President and Vice President.
>>65495995Bunkers are pretty hard to siege but if you control the land around them you can always just wait them out. Collapse the tunnels with normal mining equipment, some Israeli bulldozers and C4 and just bury every tunnel/shaft you can find. Find out how they get water in there and shut it off. There will be a few ventilation shafts just drop some HE in there and blow them all.
>>65499826>Special forces teams lose against a few platoons of militiaCan you cite 3 occasions this occurred? The only time I can think of is black hawk down and that was much more than a few platoons plus involved helicopters crashing. An operator team would debark away from the site and arrive on foot.
Why not just blow up the entrances?
>>65508051>"How do we discourage Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons?">"I know, by using their army as a live demonstration for their capabilities!"
Just let them build a nuke, war will be over for sure then.
