>4 August 1995 >Operation Storm launched >Croats attacking UNPROFOR peacekeepers >Canadian peacekeepers call for NATO air support as deterrent against the Croats >While flying to the area USN aircraft are illuminated by P-12 radar of the Serbian 45th Aerial Surveillance Battalion outside of Benkovac >They fire HARMs at and destroy it And thus the only time the U.S. was called upon to enforce the no fly-zone when the Croats were violating it, we ended up striking Serbs anyway. Can't make this up. Sources, >Deliberate Force: A Case Study in Effective Air Campaigning, ed. by Col Robert C. Owen, p. 36 >Operation Deliberate Force: Air War Over Bosnia and Herzegovina, 1992-1995 by Bojan Dimitrijević, p. 42 Croats ended up killing three UNPROFOR peacekeepers on 4 August, >Sergeant Luděk Zeman from Czechoslovakia, 37 years old >Sergeant Petr Valeš from Czechoslovakia, 22 years old >Sergeant Claus Gamborg from Denmark, 23 years old
>>65498389Is the Former Yugoslavia a nice place to visit now? I want to see all the old relics from the civil war.
>>65498389>>Operation Storm launchedAny good books on Croat operations in the 90's?
>>65498389Yeah but fuck the Serbs. Bunch of genocidal zigger scum. The dregs of Europe. A nation of criminals, waiters, beggars and toilet cleaners.
Reading the Wikipedia page for Operation Storm; was the international community of the 1990's really doing the whole "le both sides" meme during the breakup of Yugoslavia?
>>65498561No not at all. Every civilised nation opposed Serbia.Russia supported it.
>>65498389good
>>65498561Most tried but the U.S. had already picked sides as early as '93."both sides"ing was understandable for a while since the Croats and Bosniaks were just as bad as the Serbs and just as responsible for the fighting.Croats wanted to secede from Yugoslavia because they're their own ethnic group, which is fine, but then they chimped the fuck out when Serbian majority areas (80-90% Serb) wanted to secede from Croatia because they're their own ethnic group, and after Croatia had started electing and appointing actual Nazi collaborators. Not neo-nazis, but like guys who actually collaborated with the Nazis since WWII was only 50 years removed from the '90s, so Serbs in their 60s lived through a Croatian state trying to murder them all when they were kids. Examples being Vinko Nikolić given a seat in parliament, Nijaz Batlak Daidža (aka Mate Šarlija) made a general in the Croatian army, and Dubrovnik Ivo Rojnica nearly made ambassador to Argentina.Pic related is from Canadian UNPROFOR documents and references the U.S. sabotaging the Carrington–Cutileiro plan in '93.https://declassified.library.utoronto.ca/exhibits/show/unprofor-intelligence-reports/unprofor-intelligence-reportsEventually though the Serbs went full retard and committed Srebrenica, which is when the international community understandably fell in line with the U.S.Being fair the Bosniaks transferred weapons into and launched offensives from UN 'Safe Areas' like Srebrenica and the UN did nothing about it, but that didn't justify the Serbs systematically killing all the men and boys in the thousands and raping a bunch of women.People try to compare this shit to Ukraine but if there's any similarity the U.S. has more in common with Russia, Serbia with Ukraine, and Croatia and Bosnia with Luhansk and Donetsk. The fucking russkis are perfidious duplicitous murderous shitheels just like we were, but the Ukrainians are far better behaved than the Serbs.
>>65498397Transnistria is a good place to visit for that, maybe not now, and don't call it transnistria when you're there lol
>>65498629I'm intrigued, but not convinced. Any good books or reading about Serb Krajina?
>>65498389>light up USN aircraft with search radars from SAM sites>get HARMed as a result>wtf.bmpwhat'd you think was gonna happen? yeah the croats were chimping out at UNPROFOR, that doesn't excuse the serbs from powering up their SAM sites when NATO aircraft started flying overhead>>65498629>completely ignoring serbian bullshit prior to 1990>completely ignoring Operation RAM>muh nazisOK milosevic. croats pulled some retarded shit, and so did the bosniaks, and there was ethnic cleansing all around, but the serbs were absolutely the ones responsible for the rising tensions and the outbreak of war. don't pretend like the breakaway serbian regions were not literally the same as luhansk and donetsk, with milosevic's little green men pulling some bullshit. KLA were retarded and that was truly a no-good guys conflict, but the croats were justified in their actions.
>>65498777>Any good books or reading about Serb Krajina?Not really? This is one of those conflicts where you mostly get two extremes, so you need to read both extremes to parse out the bullshit and get the full picture.ICTY court transcripts, UN documents, and reports from neutral Human Rights organizations (Hrvatski helsinški odbor (HHO) for example) are the most neutral sources. The ICTY transcripts honestly read like super dry humor, by the way.>>65498782>Being attacked by Croatian aircraft>Power up SAM sites>U.S. aircraft fly into the mix>HARM youFTFY>>muh nazisPutting 'muh' in front of a significant factor for the war doesn't make it any less significant. This wasn't like Ukraine where Ukraine had a Jewish president who basically made a containment battalion for his country's skinheads; as said this was the appointment and election of actual Nazi veterans to power at a time when WWII was only as distant to them as Vietnam is to us now. Tuđman downplayed the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Serbs in WWII in his 1989 book, 'Bespuća povijesne zbiljnosti,' and while this was misrepresented as full blown Holocaust denial, what there was was still a significant underestimation of Serb victims by tens of thousands.>OK milosevic.>don't pretend like the breakaway serbian regions were not literally the same as luhansk and donetsk, with milosevic's little green men pulling some bullshit.Fuck Milošević. That said they were not 'literally the same.'1. Ukraine had been independent for 22 years rather than having immediately seceded.2. Ukraine didn't appoint actual Nazi collaborators, nor did their President write a book downplaying genocide and ethnic cleansing in WWII.3. Ukraine was not an independent state that independently systematically committed genocide against Russians in Donetsk and Luhansk during WWII, and WWII was 70 years removed instead of 51 at that point.4. Serbia/rump Yugoslavia was not a super, great, or even regional power.
>>65498777>>65499328Here's another transcript highlight.Strbac wrote his own 'book,' but 2/3rds of it are just a compilation of his own wartime articles, and he's loose with facts and very biased. It's only available at the Library of Congress and costs like $80 to import it (not including tariffs). Wouldn't recommend.
>>65498777>>65499328>>65499413Here's the part of his book where he mentions the strike in OP. You can see he says it was on "the eve" of the attack, rather than after it had gotten underway in response to attacks on peacekeepers, and mentions strikes on rocket systems near Knin, which were most likely Croatian strikes.
>>65499328>>Being attacked by Croatian aircraft>>Power up SAM sites>>U.S. aircraft fly into the mix>>HARM youThey weren't even remotely operating in the same locations or at the same time, and they were explicitly operating to pressure the Croatians *after* the operation began, hell you even mentioned that. The only strikes remotely close to Ubidna were in Ćelavac and Bunić, both of which were km away from the area. Knin, the other location struck by HARMs was nowhere near Croatian air strikes. Strikes on Ubidna and near Knin were only attempted on the second day of fighting. The Serbs made the choice to power up their SAMs, knowing it could get them HARM'd.>https://web.archive.org/web/20141231063832/http://www.centardomovinskograta.hr/pdf/izdanja2/Oluja.pdf>https://web.archive.org/web/20081114182106/http://www.nato.int/docu/comm/1997/970708/infopres/e-bpfy.htm>doesn't make it any less significantmuch of the panic about it was drummed up by milosevic himself, and you're talking about these guys as if they literally voted for croatian himmler. yes there was reintegration in the same way east and west germany reintegrated former nazi officials. but to look at it from only a serb perspective is also retarded, the whole debacle originated from serbian overreach, leading to pushback and increased croatian nationalism, allowing tudjman and co to come into power. even then, there were still plenty of serbs in government within croatia at the time. I'm not saying there weren't justified fears held by croatian serbs, but they were overblown, and those in belgrade were the ones driving that public sentiment.yes the context is different, no shit, but the "totally independent militias" and JNA support for them are the same. hell Ukraine literally did have the same history with collaborators in WWII, that's literally one of the points the Russians and the DPR and LPR brought up all the time back in 2014, and still do.>>65499419No, it was NATO in Knin, on the 4th.
>>65499419Cont. and the strike on Knin was also on SAM radars. Given that one of the locations doesn't match NATO's records (I don't see why NATO would describe a strike on Pljesevica as being in Ubidna) and the target doesn't match the other I wouldn't be entirely sure his account is accurate, as you've noted. Croatian strikes started at 6 AM that day, which I'm not sure could be described as "eve of the attack" either, so he might be entirely misremembering unless there's unrecorded airstrikes that occurred at night on the 3rd.
The Croatian leadership was retarded and allowed its TDF units to be disarmed by the Yugoslav army back in 1990. By 1991 Croatia could only mobilize half the troops that Slovenia could, despite having twice the population.>>65499328> Ukraine was not an independent state that independently systematically committed genocide against Russians in Donetsk and Luhansk during WWII, and WWII was 70 years removed insteadNeither was Croatia. The 'Independent state of Croatia' was a puppet state with appointed leadership and no legitimacy or international recognition. Indeed the pre-war Croatian leadership from the Peasants party refused to collaborate and for this reason the Ustashe were bussed in. The leader of the Peasants party was literally imprisoned by them. Neither the post-war socialist republic of Croatia nor the post 1992 Croatia draw their legitimacy from the NDH.
>>65499458>They weren't even remotely operating in the same locations or at the same timeI don't see how this is relevant. If your territory is under attack by Croatian aircraft in one area, you turn on your air defenses generally in case they attack other areas.>The only strikes remotely close to UbidnaThe Serbian 45th Aerial Surveillance Battalion was struck outside of Benkovac per Dimitrijević.>they were explicitly operating to pressure the Croatians *after* the operation began*I* know, but how could the Serbs know? They're supposed to turn off their air defenses while their territory is under attack by Croatian aircraft just in case we finally try to deter Croatia for once?>>https://web.archive.org/web/20141231063832/http://www.centardomovinskograta.hr/pdf/izdanja2/Oluja.pdfCould you please give me a page number. I use MTL for Croatian language works.>I'm not saying there weren't justified fears held by croatian serbs, but they were overblownSomewhat overblown in that if Serbs hadn't rebelled Croats might not have tried to ethnically cleanse them, but not really overblown in that Croats in Western Slavonia were very quick to start ethnically cleansing them after they rebelled.>Ukraine literally did have the same history with collaborators in WWIIOUN and UPA didn't commit genocide in Donetsk and Luhansk to my knowledge. It's more like if a Polish minority tried to secede from Ukraine in the '90s after electing OUN and UPA veterans.>No, it was NATO in Knin, on the 4th.>Given that one of the locations doesn't match NATO's recordsAre the NATO records covered in your Oluja source? It's been very difficult to find information about these strikes.Thank you for engaging in good faith, by the way. That's not sarcasm, it's genuinely refreshing.>>65499488>The 'Independent state of Croatia' was a puppet stateThe NDH was more of a state than the OUN is my point.
>>65499504>The NDH was more of a state than the OUN is my point.Except it had no legitimacy, its leadership was appointed by occuppying forces and its territory was occupied by both Italian and German troops. Croats themselves suffered mass deportation to concentration camps in areas occupied by Italy.So much about 'independence'. Its just retarded serbs trying to use NDH as justification for their greater Serbia project under the guise of 'safeguarding' Yugoslavia.
>dogfucker the bosnian serb schizo retard lolcow from /ex-yu/ on /int/ is now spamming /k/ with blatant serb propaganda after being humiliated on /his/ a billion times overunreal lmao
>NATO bombed Serbs in Croatia>Croats were Nazis and Serbs dindu nuffin'>obvious OP Serb samefagging the entire threadWhy is this shitty bait off-topic thread still up?
>>65499596the thread is still up because jannies are trannies and this serf lolcow retard keeps spamming the same threads over and over again since he is permanently locked away in his apartment with schizophreniabtw. he doxxxed himself and his entire family who are sns party members, literal subhumans high on their own supplythe funniest thing is he isn't even a serb, he is a serbified vlach like most of the "bosnian serbs" lmao
>>65499583>>65499596>>65499606Take your meds.
>>65499606I really don't care about lolcow lore, he can fuck off >>65499618Fuck off to /his/ and /pol/ you schizoid Serb idiot. Nobody cares about your shitty stale Serb propaganda, we have fresh zigger propaganda to laugh at now
>>65499637Calling facts "Serb propaganda" gives undue credit to Serbs.
>>65499639>Serb propaganda >factsKill yourself Serb schizoid retard, no more attention for you
>>65499640You really have to love Serbs in order to give them arguments this terrible, huh?
>>65499583>>65499606can't make this shit up kek
>>65499651That isn't even me lolWhenever I or anyone else discusses the Yugoslav Wars in a way that doesn't completely white wash the Croats, this guy will pop in to accuse me or them of being some fucking Serb.To him you have to fuck dogs to take issue with murdering children. He's honestly as mentally ill as the dogfucking Serb he obsesses over.
>>65499655you are seething thats how I know its you lol why the fuck would you be so emotionally invested in a slavshit war that you spread propaganda for free here? because you are a mentally ill serb of course kek
>>65498397Yeah. It runs roughly north to south in terms of how civilized you want it. Avoid Macedonia because it's a total shithole and you might not enjoy their level of racism. But Croatia is a middle class tourist destination these days and Belgrade feels suspiciously close in vibe to a city in former Austria-Hungary.
>>65499665Where's the seethe? lol>why the fuck would you be so emotionally invested in a slavshit war that you spread propaganda for free here?1. It isn't propaganda, it's facts. Even the people who were arguing against me earlier were generally on the same page as me.2. I was born about the same day Croats were massacring children in Western Slavonia. Finding out that I was entering the world as children were being taken from it, with tacit support of my government (through MPRI), and that their murderers have been free men every day of my life, makes me invested. I have no Balkan ancestry and don't need any. If you're a Croat, I think this fact is what upsets you most.If you aren't a Croat, you appear to think that not remaining ignorant on things that don't necessarily directly concern you is somehow a fault. You'd rather the world remain ignorant like you I guess.
>the serb schizo is relentless with his propaganda spamwrong board you absolute retard kek
>>65499674Literally nobody cares about worthless serbshits, you would know that if you were an American and not a Serb
>>65499679>>65499689See >>65499642I'm done feeding you now. Gonna keep waiting for the good faith Croatian to get back to me on the NATO records and Oluja book.
>>65499681>>65499698there is no good faith croatian, there is only your schizophrenic larpsonas heretake your meds schizo
>>65499698why do you fuck dogs doe?
>>65499673>Belgrade feels suspiciously close in vibe to a city in former Austria-Hungary>disgusting commie blocks>souless, tacky eastern european architecture>ottoman/turkish toponyms Serbien muss strebien, Serben sind Untermenschen.
>>65498579Croatia got more war support in terms of equipment and political recognition from Russia than anywhere else. The Russians stepped in to prevent Serbia from going into a complete anal prolapse and collapsing outright.>>65498629> lived through a Croatian state trying to murder them all when they were kidsThat was a response to Serbs trying to fuck with them first, see Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Both the collapse of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and the collapse of communist Yugoslavia started with a Serbian attempt at centralizing in Belgrade at the expense of everyone else.Or what I'm trying to say is, they had it coming and getting rid of them benefits the Croatian state to this day.>Eventually though the Serbs went full retard and committed Srebrenica,That was a response to local muslims knowingly aiding and hiding headchipping islamists. Srebrenica definitely had it coming. How said islamists got there in the first place is another one of those questions everyone likes to ignore.Anyway, eventually they lost the war so benefits are limited.
>>65498653>transnistria>former yugoslavia
>>65500043>Croats exterminating hundreds of thousands of Serbs including women and children during WWII was justified because Yugoslavia had a capital.>Serbs exterminating thousands of Bosniaks including children was justified because some of the Bosniaks were sneakyI mean at least you're consistent.
>>65500094>because Yugoslavia had a capital.Their attempt at centralization during the kingdom of Yugoslavia involved a guy getting shot in their version of the Senate in broad daylight, outright seizing of property, brutal police repression, malicious manipulation of currency and so on and so on. This didn't just pop up out of the blue, it lasted for a long time and the retribution was much deserved.>because some of the Bosniaks were sneakySimilar story here, they went around killing random christian villagers and when a militia showed up to catch them people in Srebrenica decided to hide them and pretend they didn't see anything. Again, the retribution was much deserved.
>>65500111>a guy getting shot in their version of the Senate in broad daylight, outright seizing of property, brutal police repression, malicious manipulation of currency and so on and so onWell it IS the Balkans, what do you expect?
>>65500122That was the norm in Turkish provinces. Croatia lost a lot of land in that period, but was never completely conquered. They have standards.We could also go on about how Croatia had the most industry which it inherited from Austro-Hungarian times and the reason Serbia was antagonizing them so much in the first place was to steal all their shit.So no, that is not in fact what you would expect.
>schizophrenic Serb mongrel continued to shamelessly samefag Do your job mods and delete this schizophrenic off-topic diarrhea of a thread
>>65499674>I have no Balkan ancestry Sure thing, Dragan. Tell me, what happened in '91 to those Croatian civilians living in these Serbian parts of Croatia?
>>65500169If only threads still had the number of posters in the bottom right so you could see what a retard you are.I'm pretty sure (You)'ve posted nearly as many times as I have by now.
>>65500156>DraganAgain, it's pretty interesting that you insist I be Serb. Like the fact I'm not Serb has some sort of psychological effect on you that you can't face.>what happened in '91 to those Croatian civilians living in these Serbian parts of Croatia?The same thing that happened to many Serbs in Serbian parts of Croatia. See the map here >>65499504Now's where you're going to try to claim that's what aboutism and that a nuanced or neutral view accounting for all the facts is Serbian 'propaganda,' I'm going to point to the fact I condemned ethnic cleansing on both sides since post one, you're going to ignore that fact and talk and circles. Why can't you be more like those other two guys and think critically?
>>65500156>>65500176>>65500189samefag schizo idiot
the ottomans really did a number on the balkans, huhthey're still backwards even to this day
>>65500206"insist I be Serb" and "accounting for all the facts" along with the others are proper English you actual ESL lolYou're so dumb that it's so difficult not to feed you. I'm just glad you (You)'d that other guy so he can see what a schizo you are, too. I hope you have some sense of shame about being as schizophrenic as the dogfucker you obsess over.
>>65500206search the /int/ archive for kuckojeb or dogfucker, he has doxxxed himself and his entire family, is a diagnosed schizophrenic midget neet incel among other things
>>65500221>he doesn't know that ESL status is outed first and foremost by the writing style which ESL posters have difficulty replicating>schizophrenic projecting and delusionsYup, you are 100% this >>65500228 mentally ill butthurt Serb lolcow. Incredible how such a small and insignificant nation produces such a high number of schizophrenics that pollute blue boards. Must be the (epi)genetic side-effect of uranium enrichment you received after your final chimp-out before Y2K.
>>65498389It feels like being a UN peacekeeper is a pretty raw deal when UN members can target and kill you without long-term reprisals.
>>65500275>>65500221>>65500228It's good to know these are anons about who see through this derranged serb retardation.t. Yugo wars vetThank you
>>65500348Hey dumbass, you accidentally (You)'d me while samefagging.Take your fucking meds. If you don't like weapons and war being discussed on /k/ then fuck off.
>>65500348>>65500364both posts by the same schizo serb samefag OPkys
>>65498389>Croats attacking UNPROFOR peacekeepersfalse>Canadian peacekeepers call for NATO air support as deterrent against the Croatsfalse>While flying to the area USN aircraft are illuminated by P-12 radar of the Serbian 45th Aerial Surveillance Battalion outside of Benkovacfalse>They fire HARMs at and destroy itfalse>And thus the only time the U.S. was called upon to enforce the no fly-zone when the Croats were violating it, we ended up striking Serbs anyway. Can't make this up.completely false, a no-fly zone was implemented over bosnia not croatia>Croats ended up killing three UNPROFOR peacekeepers on 4 Augustagain false, it was never determined whether they died from croat or serb shellingyou lost lying gypsies kek
forgot pic kek
>>65498389NATO planes didn't participate in Operation Storm, Owen literally pulled that out his senile ass and Serbs have been regurgitating that in their own slopaganda despite ZERO (0) actual documents, material evidence and witnesses corroborating the alleged use of NATO aircraft during Operation Storm. It's impressive how Croats managed to knock out all C&C centers using low-flying old MiG-21s and it's funny how Serbs still seethe about that.
>>65498537>A nation of criminals, waiters, beggars and toilet cleanersYou can say this about every single eastern european country
>>65500445Went down into the rabbit hole and both the US Army study cited by the OP and it's own citations check out with HRW reports and NYT reports from then. The one unknown citation:>interview of Capt Chip Pringle, Ramstein Air Base,interviewed by Lt Col Chris Campbell, 14 February 1996I can't find this interview online, so one can proceed on the assumption that the American was lying or OP has most of this correct.
>>65500601some are worse than others, sultanate of serbia stands out as one of the worst kek>>65500625udbina was attacked in november of 1994. not in august of 1995. you lying serb piece of shit, use ctrl+f in owens book schizo gypsy serb OP kek NATO didn't intervene in operation storm, but keep lying, seething and being delusional, that's what you serb trannies do the best
>>65500625Why did you ignore my post here >>65500517? Surely you are not some mentally handicapped schizophrenic Serb spreading lies on a mongolian basket weaving forum...>>65500517>>65500656I literally have the book on my laptop, Benkovac is not mentioned at all, Udbina is only mentioned as a target of 1994 strikes (pic related) and there is zero references to alleged Canadian peacekeepers calling NATO sorties on advancing Croat and Bosnian troops. Why would you post and refer to sources that don't corroborate your claims? Mental illness and/or mental retardation?
>>65500625Thanks for taking the time, but I regret to inform you you're replying to a Croatian schizo who's been samefag spamming the thread for the past 9 hours.He's probably honestly making the Croatian position seem less reliable and I tried telling him that but he doesn't care. It's ironic that I as the supposed "schizo serb propagandist dogfucker" seem to care more about Croatia's national image than he as a Croatian nationalist does.On an on-topic note, I don't really see much of a reason to doubt Lt Col Campbell/Col Owen, especially since it lines up with Serbian sources about being struck by NATO aircraft.>>65500683For fuck's sake, anon... let me fucking highlight it for you.I even gave the page number in OP.
>>65500683>>65500692Benkovac mentioned...Both sources from OP. All you had to do was check the page numbers, which were in the OP ("p. 36" and "p. 42")
>>65500692Why are you obviously samefagging and posting a page of the book edited in Microsoft Word? Pic related is the 36th page from the case study, what the actual fuck is wrong with you?
>>65500710You can't be this retarded, this has to be bait
>>65500710>google Bojan Dimitrijević>a literal chetnik>zero references to absurd claim revealed to him by sky daddy himselfOkay, so you are just a run of the mill mentally ill Serb, got it
>>65500712... are you blind? It says the exact same thing. The image you posted yourself shows the note about the Canadian UNPROFOR peacekeepers calling in NATO aircraft as deterrent. What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>65500720When studying wars, you read sources from both sides, you actual brainlet. I used American and Serbian sources because Americans struck Serbians. What about that don't you understand?I have to wonder if you're having some kind of episode. You posting the page that says what I said yourself while claiming it doesn't say what I said is a special kind of deranged.
>>65500721>>65500730>>65500721Where are Benkovac, Udbina or the alleged shooting down of NATO planes mentioned you mentally ill Serb retard? Do you realize that those anti-radiation missiles hitting the targets would be officially reported by NATO and UN because every target hit has to be disclosed? How can you be this dense? Oh yea, you are literally a mentally ill, mentally handicapped Serb talking to himself and baiting the entire thread lol
>>65500742Dude, you posted a page saying NATO struck Serbian targets during Operation Storm, and used it to claim it didn't say NATO struck Serbian targets during Operation Storm. You calling me mentally ill and mentally handicapped is the most hollow thing imaginable right now.I'm convinced you're having some sort of deranged episode, since I've already shown you where Benkovac is mentioned. I never even mentioned Udbina; you did. Nobody mentioned Serbs shooting down NATO planes.
>>65500768>Dude, you posted a page saying NATO struck Serbian targets during Operation Storm, I didn't and you didn't either, the reference in Owens book says the pilots fired anti-radiation missiles, they obviously didn't hit the targets because the hits would be registered, you absolute buffon>You calling me mentally ill and mentally handicapped is the most hollow thing imaginable right now.No, you are quite literally a mentally handicapped schizophrenic Serb that has been samefagging this entire thread spewing nonsense and disinformation.>I'm convinced you're having some sort of deranged episodeProjections by a schizophrenic>since I've already shown you where Benkovac is mentionedIt's mentioned in a book by a literal chetnik that references absolutely NOBODY lmao You can't be this retarded>I'm convinced you're having some sort of deranged episode, since I've already shown you where Benkovac is mentioned. I never even mentioned Udbina; you did.I mentioned it because it was the ONLY registered strike on rebel Serbs in Croatia during the entirety of the war. It's unbelievable that the jannies and mods left this bait thread up for this long
the funniest part about this thread is the schizo samefag serb op denying that he is the schizo samefag serb op while obviously being the schizo samefag serb op
Side question: How the fuck did Croatia get into the EU AND Eurozone so quick?
My understanding of Balkans based on people I've known is that Serbs are generally pretty cool and nice UNTIL you bring up nationalist stuff or even remotely referencing Jugoslavia and the like. Then it turns into a general "not only did we do nothing wrong, but you should have explicitly let us systematically genocide women and children, we dont even care about the land, we just want them dead" shit. Croatian women have the fiery passion of Italians and the ice cold ruthlessness of someone with ASPD, do not piss them off or it will end badly. Slovenes are weird people, simultaneously a little nicer off and closer to Central Europeans but also kinda fucked up like countryside finns. Make good guns tho. Montenegrins are full on Mediterranean do-nothings and I kinda envy not living in a country with 0 expectation to do anything with your life but drink and relax.I haven't met an Albanian yet but reminds me of Turkey, not really a friend or a foe and some weird probably illegal shit but they do manage to keep things under wraps politically.
>>65501619New market & also helps to economically and diplomatically isolate people who DONT wanna play along aka Serbia. Giving Croatia a bit of special treatment means everyone around them might get a bit jealous and wanna work with the EU a bit more.
