How in the actual fuck can ragheads in sandals conduct amphibious assaults? What timeline is this?
>>65502679Anon. Saudis are the equivalent of crash dummies that haven't been used in car crashes, and can replicate themselves.
>>65502679Turns out it's actually not that hard
>>65502679>how can abdullah, mahmud and muhammad x3 grab a boat and cross a water obstacleWe may never know
>>65502698Given the Saudis have a sizeable air force, they should have been sunk en route.
>>65502701Given they're Saudis, that's not the case. They're not a competent, credible military. Even if they have foreign pilots, those pilots are dependent on the rest of the military and the guys on the ground to do their job properly.
>>65502701the actual Saudis are a single family that, thanks to polygamy, has maybe at most 10,000 people, and the entire rest of Arabia are just people who happen to live in their kingdom. Most of Saudi Arabian politics makes sense if you remember that.
I haven’t been on today so forgive me if this has been asked: what’s going on with the Houthis and Saudi Arabia in general? I saw they captured an island (don’t know how or if it even matters), the US was increasing aid to the Saudi effort, and then all of a sudden a Saudi oil well was on fire but that is apparently due to Iraqi terrorists or something? Is this all a coincidence or is this some kind of gambit by Iran?
So the Iran Houthi Alliance have shut down the Strait of Hormuz, the Suez Canal and popped the Saudi pipeline that was getting oil out of the Middle East.
>>65502707Iranian plan to strangle the Saudis. With both Hormuz and the Mandeb blocked and the cross-country oil pipeline blown up, the Saudis can't export oil.
The silver lining of this clusterfuck is the potential to get the world off of its oil dependency a lot faster than otherwise. Ironically this would benefit nobody in the middle east, and yet the war is still being waged in the same way lol.
>>65502707Iran funds and arms the houthis as well as various terrorist militias in Iraq but, as with all proxy arrangements, cannot directly control what they do with the weapons and cash
>>65502712So much for glownigger shills on /k/ telling you that Iran and its proxies are now toothless and calling you brown for saying otherwise, lol
>>65502679they have rivers in the desert?
It's not that Houthis are good, it's that Saudis&Co are retarded
>>65502736It's a wadi (arroyo in Spanish). Only runs when it rains.
>>65502707A mix of Iranian gambit that kicked the hive nest that is Yemen into a frenzy as well as genuine Saudi incompetence
>>65502717Can they not go through Israel using trucks or trains or something? I know they don’t particularly like each other, but money is money and they’re both US allies, at least nominally. Also, I’m sure they both hate Iran more than each other at this point. That’s not including other countries.>>65502720I doubt they are acting totally on their own, after all, the timing is perfect. That said, I also don’t know if this is part of Iran’s grand strategy or just a spur of the moment idea or (initially) minor move. Anyone have good arguments one way or the other?>>65502747So a mix of the two? I know Saudi’s have been considered paper kittens for decades, but surely their princes/oligarchs/whatever know that they are susceptible to attack and should take every precaution to protect the one thing they export.
>>65502760>but surely their princes/oligarchs/whatever know that they are susceptible to attack and should take every precaution to protect the one thing they export.A competent military is the greatest threat to a dictator.
>>65502768Not only a dictator, but also a petty tyrant. I remember a story from 2 years ago that "MBS," (Mohammed bin Salman) the top Saudi prince, locked the President of Oman in a hotel room and threatened him physically, to accept some disadvantageous oil arrangement.The whole region is full of poofters acting like tough guys, and that is the real reason why pissant fanatics get mythologized into great warriors.
>>65502780>locked the President of Oman in a hotel room and threatened him physically, to accept some disadvantageous oil arrangement.How does that work? What President would keep an arrangement like that when they back in their own country?
>>65502679You know "Why Arabs Lose at Wars?" Well, in spite of what the GWoT propaganda might had told you, most of the Arabs are actually our allies in the Middle Eastern struggle.
>>65502780All dictators are tyrants Im not sure why you felt the need to make a distinction
>>65502679allah wills it
>>65502679Iran have been pretty good at becoming retard wranglers for the Houthis but that also shows of the uncomfortable truth about this situation and that Iran are a lot more organized then we'd like to believe.
>>65502730But you're brown though
>>65502718You already see the us and Canada fighting over who gets Chinese solar panels and batteries first.Both sides explicitly stating that the crucial point in negotiations isn't actually trade relations with eachother but rather what trade relationship China is allowed to hold with Canada.Hilarious.
>>65502744>>65502703"Competent credidable" US military just fled region. At least Saudis have boots on the ground. Don't throw such accusations without demonstrating your own performance first. Let see American el-Mandeb Strait counteroffensive first.
>>65502679Their "amphibious assault" is a few dozen ragheads in whatever boats they have at hand sailing to the island to have a gunfight with another group of ragheads. They tried this back in july and failed so this time they most likely sent more men.This map misleadingly has large green dots on both Zuqar and Hanish islands implying there are cities or towns there but the islands are uninhabited besides having some military presence.
>>65502838holy esl
>>65502803I'm using "tyrant" imprecisely, describing a personality that can never leave well enough alone. Always pushing boundaries and being a dick even after his position is settled.I can conceive of a dictator with some positive aspects. Some reason beyond looting and self-aggrandizement for his goons to follow him. Courage or charisma, not mere psychopathy.>>65502785It sure sounds like a bit of a tall tale. But I have a sense of there being some Russia-like power dynamic in that region. Whereby MBS made that prez his "bitch" or something, and now some "message was received" or some "hierarchy" was established henceforth. That the hotel room dynamic carried an implication, that being MBS would scale it up to interstate level if the Omani president ever stepped out of line.And then supposedlt the rest of the Omani people, who still think in terms of patronage, patrimony, submission to monarchy, vassalage, would hate but tacitly accept this as legitimate. "It has always been thus," just the nature of strong over weak, large over small.The whole layer of "presidents" and "election" would be purely artificial to them. A conceit, necessary to make money off the American order.
>>65502730>glownigger shills on /k/ telling you that Iran and its proxies are now toothlessThat's not glowniggers, that's rednecks. Glowniggers all think the campaign is retarded folly. And you are brown.
>>65502679Amphibious assault implies a contested landing, these guys took speed boats out to an empty island. It's closer to a fishing trip than an assault.What's interesting is no one considered the possibility and sent a force there to oppose them.Yemen is a clusterfuck and busy trying to hold back the main force but neither Saudi Arabia or the UAE sending forces implies they might just sit back and let Trump fall on his sword.
>>65502760Export oil by truck? Are you insane? It takes tens of thousands of trucks to replace a single supertanker, doing multi-day trips through the desert. You're not making any profit even at $150 per barrel, and nobody even has a big enough tanker truck fleet for this
Sauds are italians of WW2
>>65502963You do know the islands are in Yemen, right?
>>65502679You see anon, they aren't fighting just any arabs, they are fighting Saudis, the most arab of arabs, and as such the worst soldiers in the world
>>65502679>ragheads in sandals>Amphibious assaultSandals on the beach.
>>65502784Indeed, the more muzzies die, the more zog loses!
>>65502821>then >we
>>65502972Worse than neegorz?
>>65502703>>65502705they have the infinite money glitch. Nothing is stopping them from forming an experienced mercenary army for actual combat operations
>>65502803not all. Tyrants are the extreme version of dictators. Latter can be moderate, if not even competent. Its rare, but has happened in history. A tyrant just devolves into a blood thirsty hammer to whom every problem starts to look like a nail. Monke, mao, pol pot, hitler, saddam etc are all examples, but the mentality is best encapsuled by stalin>if there are no people, there are no problems
>>65502718That's a silver lining like your house burning down meaning you now got a property to develop.
>>65502760>using trucks or trainsAnon, transporting crude over long distances by truck will rapidly use up more fuel than said crude can be refined into. And there's neither enoug htrucks nor enough traisn nor enough roads and rails for any of this.
So apparrently part of the collapse of yemeni government forces along the west coast was literally thanks to a deepfake AI video of their commanding general ordering a full withdrawal being published on social media and that startign a mass panic LMAO.
>>65503046Comedy gold if true.
>>65503002>infinite money glitchNot even close.
>>65502979>oil becoming unaffordable for everyone is a wingranted you're Israeli so unaffected by all of this
>>65503013Your definition is retarded and wrong. A tyrant is anyone who participates in the rule of a dictatorship that was not lawfully established. Stop fucking English up by insisting that words mean whatever your sloppy feels suggest they ought. The word has been in continuous use since the classical period. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrant
>>65502963So when will Rommel step in?
>>65502718Looks like EU was right.
>>65503104Sorry, the best you'll get is Hegsie.
>>65503157So when will Hegsie stumble in?
>>65503037Not really. Truck carrying 20 tons of oil will use 1 ton for 3000 km trip, 2 tons with back trip.
>>65503046I'd swear I've read that years ago in some SF potboiler. This timeline is weird.
>>65503002>experienced mercenary armyThey had that, they all went to fight in ukraine
>>65502720>>65502747>>65502760Something to keep in mind is that the Iraqi government is preparing to clean house. They have given the shia militias a hard deadline to disarm. What is notable is that they have also been mobilizing forces, creating checkpoints, etc, setting conditions for an actual hardcore combat op to root out any militia elements that do not disarm. Iran has varying degrees of control (or lack thereof) over these militias and last I heard several were likely to voluntarily disarm, may have done so already. But others are Hezbollah-tier proxies (including Iraqi Hezbollah, which is apparently not the same as the Lebanese Hezbollah, but is still an Iranian proxy)So, with them being in such a precarious position, one has to wonder what the goal of fucking with a neighboring country would be. Perhaps to force the fencesitters to side with the more hardline militias and fight the Iraqi government?
I don't know what to tell you man, Houthi's are just fucking Chad like that
>>65503272mudslimes by definition are not chad.
>I don't know what to tell you man, Houthi's are just fucking Chad like that>t.
>>65503273>>65503278You guys are pretty fuckin T R I G G E R E DRight now huh?
>>65503282Are you like 10 years old or is this really the full extent of the khat-raped yemeni intellect on display
>>65502679An unstoppable force (arab inability to win wars) meets an unmovable object (a war between two arab states)
>>65503271Lol. LMAO, even. Those militias outmatch the regular iraqi army. If they actually try, we're seeing a new Iraqi civil war, and one in which the government is the underdog.>So, with them being in such a precarious position, one has to wonder what the goal of fucking with a neighboring country would be.Are you retarded? What's the point of fucking with US allies, if not to put pressure on them to bow out of this conflict (which would entail outright evicting US troops)?
>>65503287This isn't Lebanon. The Iraqi Army is trained, equipped, and experienced - at least to whatever extent an Arab military is capable of. This goes for the shia militias too (which are actually technically part of the Iraqi military, kinda), but Iran is in no position to continue supplying or supporting them at present, hence the Iraqi government is going to capitalize on the moment of vulnerability.
>>65503287Oh and the poltard babble. Random acts of arab niggery have exactly 0 chance of getting the US to stop blockading and bombing Iran.You should really consider the optics of having a new Hail Mary each week that will totally save Iran and get the whole region to suddenly side with them against America or whatever. It reeks of desperation.
>>65502679>Hanish Islands>The name may derive from a local word hanash meaning "snake" or "serpent"Man, I miss the fighting over Snake Island so much. What a magical time.
>>65503300Dude. Those militias were the ones that actually fucked up ISIS, while the Iraqi Army was busy bravely running away for the msot part. The Iraqi Army is fucking ANA-tier.>but Iran is in no position to continue supplying or supporting them at presentHuh. Funny. Someone should tell the Iranians, given they seem to be doing it anyway.>>65503307>muh blockade>muh bombingCope harder while the gas prices go to $10/ga.>You should really consider the optics of having a new Hail Mary each week that will totally save IranProjecting much? Trumps the one who is flip-flopping from one plan to the next every second week nowadays. All while the Iranians already made it clear they're ready to let this go on to 2029 and beyond.>and get the whole region to suddenly side with them against America or whateverNah, retard. Just dip out of the war and cease to be co-belligerents on the US' side becuase it's getting too costly for them.>It reeks of desperation.Yup, when your enemies are picking off your allies and knocking them out of the war, that's desperation. LMAO.
>>65503343>Yup, when your enemies are picking off your allies and knocking them out of the war,Well US has very effective strategy against that
>>65503282>mudslime gets mad and calls me triggered when i point out mudslimes are loserslol.
>>65502963That's offensive to shitalians.
>>65502730We’re infested with magapedes
>>65503046Are we in the cyber punk yet?
>>65503430considering the major thirdie meltdown going on at the moment it seems more likely we're infested with seething thirdies.
>>65502679Never underestimate your opponent
>>65502683Imagine being born in the wealthiest possible situation where life is just driving maseratis and lambos to banquets 24/7/365 and then suddenly you're in the army and being told to shit into a hole in the dirt. LOL.
>>65503046#Grok is this real?
>>65502701Saudis are still mullahs, which means they are just as inept and inbred as everyone in the region save for Israel.
>>65503489Yes.
>>65502712So some shady (more of a dark green really) ecoterrorist group is pulling the strings to stop the flow of oil and promote solar?I bet they're pulling the strings behind the russian invasion too.
Another win for the humanitarian blockage against genocidal powers (the west)
At what point do we start nooticing a pattern?
>>65503557#adnice try claude
>>65503590If it were an ad, the article would say that the Houthis had succeeded.
>>65503601touche
>>65503013there is no distinction to be madeA tyrant is someone who rules without the consent of the peopleA dictator is someone who rules without the consent of the peoplethey are the same
>ah yes the cities of Mocha, Zugar and who could forget Ja'ar.Did Akira Toriyama go too far with this anime?
Should the US blockade take a page from China and do nothing and win?Can't fight landwars like the 1800's anymore. The Taliban can blitz faster than hitler.We can't go boots on ground to endanger our troops. Can't nuke from orbit.The war gives the Iran economy a functioning lifeline. We've even moved past war objectives from killing leaders and soldiers (Iran you can eradicate leadership). So the goal is: How do you target a wartime economy?
>>65503347>losing your allies is good, actually>Well US has very effective strategy against thatMay we see it? So far nothing seems to be working.
>>65503489We're in the worst cyberpunk timeline. All the corpo bullshit, none of the cool cybernetics and futuristic weapons tech.
>>65502979Zog controls many Islamic countries to, specifically Saudi Arabia is one of them. It’s why they tried so hard to export their religious fanaticism in the 90s and 00s, to distract their local throat cutters from their own submission to the Hebrews and make them someone else’s problem (America and Europe, mostly).
>>65503557It’s funny because rumor is that Anthropic’s DOD specific product is what greenlit the airstrike on that Girl’s school at the beginning of Operation Epstein Fury.
>>65503046That's only possible because their morale is garbage and they know they won't have much outside support and if they are captured they are dead.
>>65503647>Should the US blockade take a page from China and do nothing and win?US has no path to victory here and Netanyahu has convinced them of this. Expect immediate escalation including troops on the ground and possible tactical nuclear strikes following the US midterms, whichever way the elections go. Expect Iran to anticipate this and strike hard and heavy in October.
This is exactly the scenario where autonomous AI guided killer drones would clean house
>>65503155Europa is almost always right
>>65503726>This is exactly the scenario where autonomous AI guided killer drones would clean houseChina: We Double Dare You
>>65503703satanyahu has done no such thing, and is doing everything within the power he has to escalate this war as far and as hard as he can before the oct.27th electionsdomestically, in israel, satanyahus party is running on>"we are winning all 7 of the wars we started! nobody has ever delivered winning like this ever!"despite the general israeli public believing (correctly) they have overwhelming LOST all 7 of those wars that were *supposed* to deliver israel total-victory of (((Islamists))) for the 21st century.it is the US who is attempting to convince israel and satanyahus government that there is no path to victory, absolutely no way to sustain escalation should it continue, and unavoidable resource exhaustion is imminent should it return to the full-blown conflict israel desperately needs to post-pone or cancel electionsthe most likely israeli action here will be some atrocity level escalation perpetrated on their part, to illicit a massive Iranian retaliation, that can then be used by israel to cancel the elections
What do the Houthis want exactly?
>>65502998I wonder how they'd fair in like Sudan or something
As an Israeli I love that this war ended the Saudi Iran rapprochement and now Iran and Saudis are having their economies destroyed. The war that keeps on giving as we’re not even attacked
>>65503758>Israel bombs all its enemies to no response>but the Zionist entity was defeated we swearDo not confuse us for Saudis. We’re happy the Saudis are suffering just like Iran is. 200% inflation in Iran, no Saudi oil exports, Lebanese mountains being blown up, Gaza being a one way shooting gallery, and Israel at quiet
>>65502784t.
>>65503489I'm in your mother's pussy
>>65503703That makes no sense. If the name of the game is cost saving (which in asymmetrical war, it is) then it's about making the other exert as much energy as possible without using your own. Triggering houthis attacks in useless areas and false flags would be the best approach. People keep saying " oh no that's not the way". But believe me, it's the only way. To win: Minimize resources while using as little effort as possible. This blitz is proof that they're willing to mobilize across a desert. Buying time may mean hit infrastructure. The only way to speed up Iran's resources. Otherwise it's about giving Israel a win by weakening Iran.
>>65503781Asymmetrical war for Israel is US intervention.
I can't wait until the boomshits all die off and we cut Pissrael off and reject Abrahamist horseshit for good
>>65503815>>655038152 more weeks, years, decades, generations and Al quds will be reclaimed inshallah But till then enjoy the humiliation I guess. Btw Ali Al-Taher will not be coming back
>>65503347The entire US economy hinges upon oil being traded in U$D, particularly Saudi oil. It isn't something that can be ignored.
>>65503300Let's not be delusional. Iraq, and by extension its armed forces, are not real and haven't been since the 90s.
>>65503758>domestically, in israel, satanyahus party is running on>"we are winning all 7 of the wars we started! nobody has ever delivered winning like this ever!"rightard israeli here, that's not it anon. bibi's, and the right in general, entire campaign right now is that the left controls the media, the judiciary system, and the police, with claims that their attempts to undermine the government are what allowed oct 7 to happen and what is delaying any internal investigations into oct 7 (btw, all true imo).the campaign doesn't really touch on the war itself, its actually mostly the left\center that are campaigning on "the war has failed, we must end it immediately", but this is a pretty unpopular view.as usual the elections will just come down to whether you like bibi as a person or not, which varies depending on whatever legal scandal that involves bibi is currently being pumped by the media.
>>65503832I am curious how crypto is going for Irans economy
>>65502679I presume they got on boats then killed everyone who opposed them when they got to the island.
Remember: Anonymous crypto selling and purchasing goes both ways. Bet we've already snagged some Chinese passage deal.
>>65503763chew on khat and be left alone, I guess
>>65502760reminder that this clueless anon from a crevice underneath a rock is nonetheless 100x more informed and intelligent than the sum of all US decision makers rn
>>65503864No actually, they just bribed the tribesmen on the islands to switch sides after the Saudis/Yemeni gov forces failed to stop their advances. Gold, Khat, etc. The usual for the region.Which does imply they can be bribed to swap sides, again, if the Saudis can unfuck themselves.
>>65503493the two are not all that different
>>65502679How are the Saudis this bad lol?It's like Assad 2024 levels of fucking up.
>>65502679>have infinite money glitch>still loseahahaha
>>65503552No bro. They're MORE of those things.
>>65502718This is the equivalent of killing your whole family for the potential of marrying into a rich family.
>>65503840>The entire US economy hinges upon oil being traded in U$DNo
>>65503002>they have the infinite money glitchNot anymore.
>>65503284>>65503351>get triggeredIrony
>>65504134In authoritarian regimes the armed forces are for squashing internal dissent and maintaining control of the resources, nothing else. They can not allow them to be both competent and well-equipped. In addition to that, as an autocrat you *must* foster paranoia and factionalism to avoid anyone gaining enough power to challenge you.
>>65503273Chad is literally a muslim country
>>65502679I think the most amusing thing this reveals is that the Houthis have more robust logistics and operational abilities than the whole of Russia.
>>65504590It's a short form of Chadwick you retard
>>65504608In a desert environment no less.
>>65502679The timeline where Saudi Arabia was brow beaten by Angela Merkel, the EU, and Trump into withdrawing from Hodeidah on the eve of victory letting the Houthis keep supply lines open, giving them time to rearm and resupply and prepare for a battle against a now demoralised army.
>>65504548Correct, kekhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-31/saudis-explore-about-8-billion-in-loans-as-war-strains-finances
>>65502826Stupid opinion anyway, because Canada EXPORTS oil just like the USA and could absolutely undercut the entire world using cheap oil and gasoline if they just stopped exporting oil to the open market.
>>65503581what are you referring to
>>65502838You keep posting this in every thread on the subject. Post forearm
>>65504809>Post forearmshould be an insta-ban without your own time stamped photo in the accusation
>>65503489no. cyberpunk (the sci-fi genre) is cool and stylish. current timeline is lame and gay
>>65503703> including troops on the ground and possible tactical nuclear strikeslol. two more weeks
>>65502712>Strait of Hormuz>Suez Canal may we see it?
>>65502679i have extremely mixed feelings about this, on the one hand this helpes Russians, and fuck them. On the other hands Americans, and especially their senile leader getting fucked is great>>65502718my thoughts exactly, COVID brought us remote work, maybe this shitstorm will result in a strong push for cleaner energy
>>65502707iirc the Saudis bombed the Sanaa airport on July to prevent some Houthi delegates from landing. Then this shitshow started
>>65503271if Iraqi oil also vanishes from the market due to the country descending into a civil war, we might geniunely see a full blown economic meltdown, especially in Asia
>>65502718Yeah those Chinese solar panels and EVs are really feeling the benefit right now
>>65502679Because having a different skin colour doesn't actually mean you're incapable of performing difficult tasks
>>65503155the EU is one of the most dependent on cheap oil, what
>>65503632many modern english words originated from arabic
>>65502679apparently the UAE built an airstriip on one of the captured islands, lmao
>>65504856>may we see it?See what? What part confuses you?
>>65504969He doesn't believe the Strait of Hormuz and Suez Canal exist and doesn't trust Jewish maps
>>65503840Lol no it doesn't, and it never has been.
>>65504754Solar and battery is still the cheapest megawatt hour on the market and the fact that Canadian and American oil companies are both doing well doesn’t change the fact that the price of energy in Canada and the US have both risen significantly, or the fact that Magatard pissyness about the fact that Canada is a sovereign nation has pushed back the inevitable unification of Canada and the US by 50 years to a century because Trump fired all the diplomats and replaced them with morons.
>>65503763Death to Israel, Death to the House of Saud, and for America to fuck off out of the Middle East.
>>65505097
>>65505107wtf I didn't know they were this based
>>65504743>Spent an ungodly amounts of money on stupid shit like "The Line" and Allah-approved themed parks, ski resorts, and Instagram-Influencer tourist hotspots>Spend none of it divesting your economy away from solely relying on oil>Iran ends up bombing your only source of income to smithereensWhat's even funnier is that the Saudi's were told well over a decade ago at this point that they needed to put their money into things like building up a manufacturing base, or at the very least moving away from an oil-extraction based economy.
>>65503695>haha yeah our blood sacrifice on Purim was totally a whoopsie doopsie by a robot haha sorry goyimImagine believing this kek
>>65502679>acquire boat>pilot boat to island>disembark boatIt's free real estate!
>>65503278Projective avatar posting is for subhuman scum and is far and away the dumbest and most worthless form of shitposting.
>>65505242they've been diversifying, building resorts and buying sports teams is what they were trying to diversify intoAlways remember that the house of Saud is not a democratic government, this immediately locks it out of a bunch of economic options because having control over the oil money is the closest thing they have to any legitimate right to rule and allowing other sectors of the economy not under their direct control to flourish would thus threaten their grip on power
>>65502718we could have invested billions in nuclear decades ago, but no, everybody had to eat up the green energy bait instead.
fuck this shit so much. somehow the most important resource in human history has to come from this cursed place
Remember a Saudi friendly fired 3 F15s at the beginning of this conflict. They are genuinely retarded nepotism maxxers.
>>65503013>>65503629I think the word this anon should start using is 'despot' since that's what he's really getting at. It's close to the word tyrant, but implies an even crueler abuse of power.
>>65503013>>65502780>dictator = tyrantYou guys should really learn where the word dictator comes from. Also maybe where the word tyrant comes from. They aren't mere degrees of violating your personal morality. Especially you >>65503013 blathering on about history and having no idea about anything.
>>65502780In November 2017, Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri may or may not have been detained involuntarily in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. See Wikipedia, 2017 Lebanon-Saudi Arabia dispute.
>>65502679Just because they managed to occupy some little island for now doesn't mean any competent military can't oust them quite quickly at their time and discretion if they become a big enough problem
>>65505684>competent militarythere are only 2 competent military is the region: the US and Israel. And both of them are knee-deep in their own bullshit
>>65505588>Remember a Saudi friendly fired 3 F15s at the beginning of this conflict. That was a Kuwaiti piloted F-18 that did that, however this point>They are genuinely retarded nepotism maxxers.Still stands for all of the Gulf monarchies except for Oman
>>65502679Look for a blond guy with blue eyes among them. They say he is their Mahdi.
>>65505516You seem upset, muzzoid.
>>65503002they tried that but the only people at the right nexus of "poor" and "competent" to actually take them up on it are Colombians and Ugandans as far as enlisted positions go.
>>65503493>miggers and turdiesWhat's the difference?
>>65502679>how did ragheads in sandals defeat ragheads in sandalsTruly a mystery
>>65503258Ukraine pays more money than Saudis?
>>65505859>Ukraine payslmao
>>65503258The legions of Colombians are there for both money and the love of the game.Saudis can offer only one of those things.
>>65502679Well it wasn't spontaneous. They were planning and preparing for it for months. Anyone observing them saw that.
>>65505867NAYRT but the majority of the aid the Ukraine receives from the EU is in the form of LOANS not GIFTS
>>65502826Were it not for those brainless oil-loving Republicans, then US could have been major producers of solar panels. Alas>>65503155EU hasn't invested in the photovoltaics as much. Both in its installation and production. Germany could have continue investing in it but they are too focused on not getting any debt.
>>65502679>the houthis have captured more land than Israel in the last 3 years of warholy fuck lmao
Where are theirs Sudanese child-soldiers to defend the Spice pipeline?
>>65505663Both are rulers with absolute power they are synonyms and just originate from different regions (greece and rome).
>>65502679I want to know how the hell they're making decent ballistic missiles
>>65503046based houthis
>>65506134It's not brain surgery.
>>65506145I dunno, the guidance systems and stuff
>>65502679Other question is wtf is CIA doing ??
>>65506134muh iranian knowledge
>>65505107Kind of says something that their flag looks like a fucking warning sign.
>>65506179Looks like I'll get a parking ticket during business hours
>>65502679They have the mandate of heaven on their side.
>>65505242>money into things like building up a manufacturing base,Nah. They should've build air defenses.Also underground pipelines and oil storage.With Shaheeds extremely low cost they will spread like wildfire across the world. It's new industrial meta, you shouldnt have vulnerable industrial and infrasture installations. We have Chekhov's gun situation. If you have easily vulnerable installation it WOULD be bombed at some point, because it's super easy to do now.Problem of Saudis they bought into "American military stronk!" narrative and then American colossus with feet of clay collapsed and left them undefended.
>>65502978Underrated comment. Wars are won and lost on logistics, that you can have the right piece of kit at the right time in the right quantities. These guys are already prepared for the beach and sunday cookouts and will dominate in these theatres of war.
>>65502679https://x.com/i/status/2099017539749576923
>>65506305We got the boots (sandals) on the ground finally.But not the military we expected.
>>65506105Israel doesn't want to annex gaza, their official maps in schools and whatever show israel with the west bank and golan heights but not gaza, they probably want to turn it into a bantustan and dump the muzzies there
>>65506134It's literal 50's-60's-era tech.>>65506217>Also underground pipelines and oil storage.Completely non-viable when Iran can throw around ballistic missiles big enough that you cannot effectively harden a pumping station against them.
>>65506467saudis simply get their own ballistics and bomb ayazuttahs to shit in retaliation. What now mohammad?
>>65506426the best part is, israel will get absolutely none of those, and instead will internally collapse before an international coalition steps in to put an end to their settler demon terrorismits a win-win for the world, lose-lose for the heeb scum
>>65506510Do you ever stop to wonder why Allah seems to favor the Jews so heavily over you?
>>65506510And other things you see after chewing through 1kg of khat.
They've been doing this, back in 2023 they were raiding the Israeli posts on Eritrea
>>65506474>What nowNow the Saudis are still out of a pipeline and Iran still doesn't give a shit (they've been bombed harder by better)Prince Bonesaw, Satanyahoo, and the Orange tard really should have thought twice before getting into a "who can suffer the most" slug-out with proven & prepared religious fanatics.
>>65506640>Trump>thinking
>>65506510Name a single war the arabs have won in the past 500 years.
>>65506426Jared Kushner would beg to differ
All these houthi videos makes me want to buy an old Hilux
>>65503840>they need oil traded in USD to back currency>between 2008 and 2014 the US goes from a net oil importer to the largest producer to the largest exporter without any change in how the petrodollar is calculated and within substantial deflation or inflation of the currency. That means that no the USD is not directly or indirectly pegged to the petrodollar and even the petrodollar isn't pegged to the total number of transactions involving oil or gas which are made in USD. Petrodollarfags are delusional.
Real Saudis aren't ground troops, they use lesser Arabs and mostly Pakis to do the dying.Real Saudis are on fighter jets and are always commanding something while the lesser Arabs and Pakis do the hard work for them.
>>65506730Yeah some people do claim the suez to euphrates thing but that's a meme, it's like US claiming all of the americas because it has america in the name
>>65506510Yeah, I'm sure Israel is going to collapse before the country without any remaining industry that is conscripting its children to fight for bombed out ruins does.
>>65503287>>65503300Is there any of the Iraq that managed to go toe to toe with Iran left? Compared to the US today, they seemed loads more effective.
>>65506640I guess the secret to winning is to just declare that defeats don't exist that damage done by adversaries doesn't matter.
>>65502679>How in the actual fuck can ragheads in sandals conduct amphibious assaults? What timeline is this?Usual turdie combat BS. 1. Massive corruption. >Saudis are shit soldiers but they have loads of cash >pay local Yemenis to raise local forces to fight >local Yemenis raise "ghost battalions" were there are supposed to be ~800 guys but its just fraud. They collect the salaries for the soldiers themseleves 2. Dumbass arab infighting >Saudi had some beef with the UAE and got the UAE to withdraw its forces>~7,000 soldiers withdrawn >UAE has some of the better soliders in the conflict >Saudi's never replaced the 7,000 soldiers 3. Arab incompetence >those Yemeni formations that were motivated and were not corrupt were standing and fighting and desperate for Saudi CAS >Saudi's just never showed up, for no apparent reason.
>>65502718The problem is that we need oil for the diesel and natural gas for the electricity needed to mine all the material needed for solar panels, batteries, and the high voltage power lines. With all the oil reserves globally we only have 200 barrels of oil per person and if we remove the middle east we are then down to just 120 barrels per person.
>>65507253>we need oil for the diesel and natural gas for the electricity needed to mine all the material needed for solar panels, batteries, and the high voltage power lines
>>65507261The concept of recursive renewable energy scares the petrodollar pedophile cannibal cabal
>>65507271Your proposals have been rejected at the ballot box. Go away, libshit.
>>65507261>We need horse carts to pull the iron ore from the mines to the factories to make the locomotivesWhy is concept so hard to understand?
>>65506426They want the whole world
itt: /k/opers acting like ansar allah didn't send MIGAtards back home with the tail between their legs the last time zion don attacked yemen.
>>65503529anon, its not the princes who are sitting in foxholes. Its the poors who were replaced by Indian slaves.
>>65507331Because it's well understood that electrification still requires fossil fuels, just far less in the long run. Your "point" is a red herring, either deliberate or because you're a moron
>>65506592>>65506590>>65507187>>65506705>Name a single war the arabs have won in the past 500 years.the current one, lmao, the only one that matters!anyway>webm relatedits the best advice you matzo-shit eaters should take
>>65507580
>>65507580Inherent Autism + Inbreeding, just incredible
>>65502679Cause, "ragheads with sandals" is propaganda term?!
>>65507580>Name a single war the arabs have won in the past 500 years.>the current one, lmao, the only one that matters!The one between Israeli Semites and Palestinian Semites happening in Palestine, or the one between Iranian Persians and Americans supported by some Arab states happening on either side of the Strait of Hormuz? Are you saying that the UAE is carrying this war, or something? If so, I agree with you.
>>65507409>/k/opershere we go again
>>65502679the only fighters less competent than fundamentalist arabs are arabs that do it for the money
>>65505094>trump fired all the diplomatsYou now remember when Obama appointed an entertainment lawyer as ambassador to Germany...who didn't speak a lick of German.The lack of an american diplomatic corps and instead relying on donors and friends isn't new. But it explains why america can't into diplomacy and instead goes to war all the time. The choice regardless of president is either a military staff that went to Annapolis or West Point, or some guy who wrote you a check. From that (warped) POV blowing stuff up seems like the better choice, the consequences be damned.
>>65502826>shilling chink solar panels which are widely known to be shit>>65506047>chink ESL conjugationI think we've got an actual factual Wumao here.>>65505094>solar and battery cheapestRight until maintenance is accounted for, ie 70% of the cost of solar.Chinkland is the largest consumer of coal, and shit lignite we don't even burn over here at that. Chink solar panels which they employ domestical are of even lower quality and the entire country is run as a pyramid scheme.> inevitable unification of Canada and the US Yep definitely a Chink. Nobody wants a full unification of Canuckia and Murica. The libtard Canucks consider 90% of America to be ebil fascist racists by their own racial masochist standards. The right wing Canucks and Muricans might want only the rural, white, and right wing territories to join the Union but absolutely would not want to include the libtarded cities. Quebec would have none of it. Libtard Americans would rather have Canada as a separate place they can social signal about. Only a Chink would think that simply gaining territory without accounting for the political or fiscal considerations would be a good idea. You are operating under the presumption of a Chink-like system which can bully all the parties into line once unity is established.
>>65503815>reject Abrahamist horseshit for goodAbrahamism has been a cancer on this world. Reminder that Judaism would have died out were it not for Christianity.
>>65507992>nooo you can't say the no-no word I'm going insanerofl
>>65508664We're laughing at you, subhuman.
>>65503848>is that the left controls the media, the judiciary system, and the policeHasn't Netanyahu's party been running at least two of those for the last 20 years or so?
>>65502679The Houthi's are actually a fully functional government that controls areas containing70-80% of the population.They're more capable than we usually give them credit for
>>65508903They're also not afraid to die which makes people really hard to defeat
>>65503848>their attempts to undermine the government are what allowed oct 7 to happenHoly fuck and people actually believe it? Grim.
>>65508686you don't seem to be having fun at allin fact you seem pretty sore, /k/oper
>>65504795
>>65509780He's not wrong though, the whole world bitching about gas entirely focused on Iran while Ukraine swhacks Russian refineries like they're free. All the muh global commodity tards are strangely quiet on that front.
>>65509800
>>65507201Iraq back then had one of the largest and most heavily-armed armies in the world, and invaded Iran as it was in chaos from the revolution, cut off from international arms markets and basically reduced to spamming militia while husbanding what regular army units they had left.The Iraqis promptly got stuck less than 20 miles from their starting positions, got entire divisions FUBAR'd and essentially retreated to the border to fight a trench war because that was the one way they could fight and not get their asses handed to them by barely-armed iranian militias. This was a picture-perfect Cold War mechnised army fighting irregular militias that every once in a blue moon had some support by regulars armed with dimishing stocks of gear. And they barely managed to get a draw by turning it into a positional war of attrition.
>>65509801The results aren't instantaneous, you're talking about a country in the top 5 oil producing countries on the planet losing their refining capabilities vs a country that produces <2% of the global supply in a global commodity market where pricing is affecfed by who is willing to pay what. We know Russia never stopped selling oil, just the pricing fell as sanctioning nations refused to let them enter the market. Now, those prices go up because the oil isn't even available for cheap. Even if Oil was completely tapped off in the strait it only accounts for 20% globally. Nobody wants to point fingers at kiev while washington makes an easier target, I get it, but you're delusional to think Iran throwing a fit is the sole reason. Hell, everyone was hyping themselves up to "stick it to Putin" at the pump back in 2022 and that's when places like China could still get a screaming deal on Russian product.
I am so tired of middle eastern ooga booga bullshit dominating global politics. At this point I think we should just wage wars of extermination on the whole region.
>>65510122>it only accounts for 20% globally>onlyAbsolutely batshit insane statement.
We need to bring back and enforce sedition laws and start stringing up subversives.
>>65502679Clausewitz spoke about this.
>Burnham Mulls Saudi Support Amid UK Fears of Houthi Economic HitSo I guess it falls to Europe to clean up America's mess. Fucks sake.
>>65510643>taking naval advice from a Prussianishiggydiggy
>>65507212>Saudi's just never showed up, for no apparent reason.some royal nepobaby probably got annoyed at the Yemenis for the dumbest reason you've ever heard
>>65508651None seem to have been effectively applied empire-wide. For example, in 341, Constantine's son Constantius II enacted legislation forbidding pagan sacrifices in Roman Italy. In 356, he issued two more laws forbidding sacrifice and the worship of images, making them capital crimes, as well as ordering the closing of all temples. There is no evidence of the death penalty being carried out for illegal sacrifices before Tiberius Constantine (r.578–582), and most temples remained open into the reign of Justinian I (r.527–565).
>>65510643Caspere knew this.
>>65510659Bongs will show how to run a Middle Eastern mandate properly.
>>65508824Yes, but typical 80IQ Rightoids always believe there’s a “deep state” that is to blame for everything going bad.To be fair, the Judiciary is formed from left leaning libs, so they strike down retarded laws that they pass, but they tried to neuter their power before October 7th. Basically they blame judiciary for everything going bad with the country, obviously Bibi doesn’t believe it, but his base does definitely
>>65508908It helps that a bunch of government officials loudly proclaimed that they absolutely would do that a couple of months before Oct 7.
>>65508824No. The only one that they've technically had any influence over is the police, but they're not allowed to fire career bureaucrats, per the left-controlled judiciary, so it effectively runs independently and unaccountable to elected officials.
>>65502679The short answer to this question is that the Houthis are underrated as a militia and the Saudis are overrated as an army. To elaborate slightly, the Houthis are commonly depicted in Western media and pop discourse as a hillbilly ragtag guerrilla army, which is partially true, but they are also a hildbilly ragtag guerrilla army that is solidly rooted in its territory and its people, can offer a good enough level of government services in the areas they control, have a well-established logistical network and excellent strategic understanding of the territory they operate in, and can reliably count on Iranian aid. For what they are, the Houthis are competent. Meanwhile, the PLC is a loose coalition of warlords and tribes, some of which have only recently switched sides (including the formerly UAE-aligned Southern Giants Brigade), propped up by the Saudi army, which is well stocked with modern weapons, but also abysmally incompetent, nepotistic and corrupt.
>>65505722Why not Oman?
>>65506145It's not rocket science either
>>65507203As the old saying goes, it isn't the size of the dog in the fight that matters, but the size of the fight in the dog. Being 10 times as capable of winning a war doesn't make up for giving up after suffering a 20th of what the opponent can tolerate.Things would be different if the US was actually willing to go full 9/11 tier retard on the Iranians, but the US public has absolutely zero appetite for a real war and would unironically rather lose cheaply and then boot out their current admin than win painfully with boots on the ground (and I don't blame them).
>>65510659Goodness, that's the biggest laugh I've had in a while
>>65511672Truth. I'd also add that they have simply been hardened by war, including limited Western strikes and much more severe Gulf state intervention. You also have Sudan and Syria as a further training grounds.This is basically THE mission of the Houthis and they've been refined for the job. We might even start to think they have access to devastating technology like a strategy.
>>65511575In fairness Britain did very nearly win in Aden and turn the place into another friendly Gulf port before rapidly pulling out of anything East of the Suez.
>>65503695Nah, that was just good old-fashioned "the intel is still good!" laziness. Four years prior that HAD been a barracks. They just never bothered to update their info before okaying the strike.
>>65508636Maintenance is not more of a factor for solar panels than it is for fossil fuels. In fact, it's cheaper to maintain solar panels because you don't have to continually input huge quantities of fuel. Plus they don't have any moving parts
>>65508905This is a myth. Death cults are ineffective since they glorify death and are eager to get martyred. This is like claiming imperial japan was hard to defeat because they glorified death
>>65509800You are welcome to fuck off from ukraine pidor. Then the Total Refinery Death will stop on the spot
>>65509963>zuttslims are comically incompetent at warMore news at eleven
>>65510122Why do you lie so much zigger. Pidors diesel output accounted for less than 4% of global output . They mainly made diesel for internal consumption. As you should know from standing in the ques kek
>>65502679If these guys could carry out amphibious assaults, I don't see why the houthis cannot
>>65510659>Burnham Mulls Saudi SupportMullahs helping each other out against other mullahs, huh?
>>65511890they are arabs so the expectations for them are somewhere between "not starving" and "distinguishing the mag release from the selector lever" at the high end
>>65505242Same shit happened to like half of Africa when people stopped buying slaves. They just completely collapsed.>"My grandfather rode camels, my father drove a car, I drive a Ferrari, and my grandson will ride camels."
>>65505242>put their money into things like building up a manufacturing baseFor that you need a moderately educated population and that's much more dangerous to their regime's stability so it was never going to happen.
>>65510643Dirkle clocked this.
Say what happens if we tell houthis they can get saudi and yemen if they become our allied sattelite state?Are westerner still capable of crazy mind game shenanigans
>>65512048Their flag literally says "death to America". I don't think appeasement is the way to go, anon.
>>65512048>You can have what you'll probably get in a hundred years anyway but instead you have to agree to being our canon fodder and do everything we tell you>Trust us. When has entering into a vague political agreement with Europeans ever backfired?
>>65502712Yes and Americans are powerless do anything about it lmaoHouthi SURGE during the midterms SOON
>>65507093This is not true at all. All military personnel whether enlisted or commissioned are full Saudi citizens. The enlisted are primarily drawn from the massive Saudi rural lower and urban lower and lower-middle classes (60% of Saudi Arabia's population are citizens)
>>65505242Eh, let's be real here, they would never be able to build up a competetive manufacturing sector, no matter how much money they pour into it.Investing into tourism for the rich and tatsteless is probably their best shot.Except for all the completely retarded over the top fuckups,like "the line".
>>65512048I don't think you get it. How do you enforce that?To have a puppet state you need to have actual leverage over it.
>>65507093>they use lesser ArabsIs there anything lesser than an Arab?
>>65512306A poor one
>>65512306A paki.
>>65506995You will be oh so surprised when you find out how the US finances its currency deficit and you will also be oh so surprised when you find out that rich foreigners from countries that produce top tier goods can and will overbid you for your "own uhhmerican" (actually the oil company's) oil and natural gas. You will yell "no! you cant ship that oil to Japan or China, its mine by birthright, because I am an uhhmerican, I cant afford to drive with gas at 15 dollars per gallon!" and only get a mocking laughter in return.
>>65512306a pajeet
>>65511847A global, aggressively proselytizing and reproducing religion is completely different from a mono-ethnic island empire in terms of ability to withstand attrition, even if both glorify “martyrdom”. Islam will continue to be a security risk (even and sometimes especially to moderate muslims) as long as aggressive retards can access the founding texts.
>>65512339>>65512308>>65512455Same difference
>>65512518Sounds like the kind of enemy you need to throw out the rules of engagement with, and burn out with extreme prejudice.
>>65512553Correct. They all have the same amount of difference with each other, which is to say a lot. Arabs aint Indians.>>65512339Did you sandcrawlers genuinely expect Pakis (a nation known to be extremely geopolitically facetious and backstabbing for the sake of muh pragmatism and the lulz) to help out the Saudis even after they signed an agreement or whatever? Kek'd. You don't ever trust those cunts as dear America learned so many years ago.They're even worse than India diplomatically somehow.
>>65512693Piss off Poorsian
total iranny victory!
>>65503002The smart mercenaries don't sign up to fight actual wars no matter how much you pay them, because the money isn't any good if you don't live to spend it.
>>65512662I couldn’t agree more, and I view Islam with the utmost suspicion and contempt. Sadly there is no “the most eugenic side wins” rule of predestination, and despite all of Islam’s blatantly laughable inadequacies they have managed to remain more or less of a threat to everyone else’s way of life for centuries. We appease and patronize this culture instead of determinedly isolating and degrading it until it has gone the way of remote ancient history at our own risk. (All of the above also applies to judaism, by the way, so don’t get things twisted here.)
>>65502701All the prestigious jobs like pilots are awarded purely from nepotism, not skill. They're a bunch of dumbass rich kids with zero pilot skills so of course they don't know how to do their job, nor do they want to.
>>65511847Retard, he said not afraid to die. That's not the same as a death cult. The USSR was a death cult. Islam is not.
>>65512061When Arabs and Iranians say "death to XXX" it doesnt literally mean death, it's more like "damned be america!"
>>65512306alb*nians
>>65502679The Venezuela incursion from earlier is starting to make a lot more sense. Secure assets in the Western hemisphere because the global order is going to shit.
>>65513656iran dindu nuffin
>>65513700Too bad Venezuelan crude is abysmal dogshit and the infrastructure there suffered the most destructive event a country can suffer: communism for a period longer than 72hs. Also an earthquake, but that was much less damaging.
>>65513709And our refineries in the Gulf are exactly what is needed to turn that abysmal dog shit into gold.
>>65513700It's going to take 10 years minimum to get back to production rates that they had pre 2010. For now the US is fucked if this shit carries on, shale oil just doesn't work for the domestic refinery set up. Also Venezuela is a basket case, and Delcy Rodriguez's situation is precarious, so everything could simply be undone by a Chavista with a gun.
>>65513709It's workable. The rest of the world will have to look into coal into oil tech.
So what?
>>65513757>So what? There's a war on.Exactly. It just sorta happened on its own, like the weather. There is nothing we could have done to prevent it.
>raghrads in sandals>Houthi's are capable of running a government and an economy not dictated by the Zionists>This confuses OPYeah.
>>65513700>The Venezuela incursion from earlier is starting to make a lot more sense. Secure assets in the Western hemisphere because the global order is going to shit.Too competent. It makes even more sense that Trump got a big head after cowing Venezuela and decided to do the same thing to Iran because in his mind he is a self interested strongman and the weak bow down. He thought they'd cut a deal, give the king of kings his share and move on, he was not expecting them to fully commit.>>65513708>iran dindu nuffinEvery country has done something or other and if karma really was a thing then the US would have a lot to answer for. No point talking morals when the US's real sin was trying to bitch slap without being prepared for hands. To end the strait crisis you either need to cow Iran which they've been failing at or invade properly and stop them. If they were not prepared to actually do option two, then they were fools to go ahead with the strikes on their leadership. Don't do a biiig act of war if you aren't ready to follow through. Everyone knew about the Strait and its significance, this should have been expected.
>>65513708Essentially yes. I mean they're trying to destroy Israel but who can blame them, Israel deserves to be destroyed. Iran is not a saint and in the best case scenario they wouldn't be a brutal theocratic dictatorship. But from their perspective we attacked them twice with zero provocation. You can't really blame them for playing every card at their disposal. I just wish that the US wasn't involved, and that they would launch everything they had at Israel instead of the gulf counties, maybe a dirty bomb, I would like to see those parasitic worms get eradicated.
>>65514027.t Achmed Muhammad
>>65512061>>65513708Could it be, and this might be completely crazy haha, that decades of US military invasions in the region, US support for dictators and terror groups, the overthrowing of their governments with US assistance and an unrelenting support for Israel has painted America in an unfavorable light?I mean it's a crazy thought. The more rational explanation is that these people just woke up one morning and decided to hate America for no reason whatsoever.
>>65514256Might we see the wreckage?
>>65514027>>65514121Why yes, let's memoryhole all the wars the poor little mullahs started and lost. Or all the bombings. Maybe the murders and beheadings too. Or hostages taken. Or infrastructure stolen. Or all the terrorist groups they spawned and continue to fund when they could be selling oil and be happy as clams. They absolutely do not deserve the consequences of their own misguided actions.
>>65502679Wypipo have lost their way and forgotten that someone doesn't need a zillion dollars in training, a Gucci AR, a Winkler knife and a book deal to take a boat ride and kill some people and break some shit.
>>65514311OK so what came first? America installing the Shah or the Iranian revolution? America (and France) arming Iraq in the Iraq-Iran war or the Beirut bombing?America bombing Iran or Iran blowing up cargo ships? Alternatively: America tearing up the JCPOA or the Iranians making HEU? It's always America's own foreign policy from yesteryear rearing it's ugly head years later. And even in living memory aka 9/11 and beyond the so called irrational and hateful shias mullahs were NOT the ones terrorizing Americans. That was Bin Laden and his friends like al-Sharaa/Al-Jolani.
>>65514503>America installing the ShahLiterally didn't happen. The Shah never stopped being the Shah till 1979. Mossadegh was Prime Minister and subordinate to the Shah in 1953 and he served at the pleasure of the Shah. The "coup" was simply Mossadegh being dismissed by the Shah, as the Shah had a right to do so and Mossadegh deciding to provoke a constitutional crisis.>But the parliamentDoesn't matter, the Shah had every right to appoint and dismiss prime ministers as he felt fit, and did so. Reza Pahlavi dismissed 13 prime ministers over his rule, were they all "coups" too?>But the britishLiterally didn't matter what they thought, Mossadegh fell out with the army, and that's why he was dismissed, not because of his plans to nationalise the oil companies>But the CIADid very little in real terms. Kermit Roosevelt wildly overstated his contribution, which was paying some street gangs to riot while the army reminded Mossadegh about the constitution.It's incredible how successful the communists were in spreading propaganda.
>>65514664>Idealpolitik in anything past the 18th century
>>65514850>every right do dismiss PM>provoking constitutional crisisYou see where your argument falls flat? It was a highly contested move, which is why it resulted in said crisis. What you are peddling is exactly the position that the US state department had at the time. Meanwhile the CIA itself describes the coup as "undemocratic". And I'm not saying it was a foreign operation imposed on a passive Iranian population. It was a Iranian political event organized and enabled by US/UK covert intervention. And this became the foundational revolutionary propaganda: The Shah wasn't just an Iranian monarch. He was a monarch sustained by foreign powers. And Carter desperately tried to keep the Shah in power even as the revolution was happening. And even then the Iranians didn't chimp out at the US embassy. Remember that the Shah was overthrown in January 1979. The Hostage crisis happened in October because the Shah came to the US for medical treatment and the Iranians thought the US was gonna start a counterrevolution. TL;DR: 1953 wasn't the reason for the 1979 revolution. It was the reason for the 1979 revolution being profoundly anti-american.
>>65515256>What you are peddling is exactly the position that the US state department had at the time.Because it's what happened. Just take the L you fucking commie prick. You spent all day writing that up and that's the best you do? You were flat out wrong, you claimed the shah was installed in 1953 and that's simply not true and never has been.
The national forces are completely useless, they are like ARMA 3 AI in easy mode.https://files.catbox.moe/x83urj.mp4
>>65514850NTA is dismissing 13 PMs the sign of a healthy regime?
I'm not a fan of Israel at all but that everyone takes every statement from their enemies at face value fucking baffles me. Apparently the entire Muslim world is so united in their hatred of Israel that they'll forego internal development or provoke war by attacking neutral ships [insert country of your choice here] and send their men to die only to bravely commit religious solidarity for their brothers in arms trapped in Palestine. And not that, you know, they might have ulterior goals of weakening their opponents/gaining power by doing so. I fucking hate how binary the options are and how quick even 'based' people will basically say 'actually the houthis are only doing this on their own initiative to help free Palestine. No, you aren't allowed to fire back, you can only respond in the specific ways I am telling you.' I don't give a fuck who or why Iran is what it is, only that it be pacified internally or externally. FWIW we are prosecuting this war in the most retarded fucking way possible and Trump is an awful negotiator. >"The west/France/US/UK has destabilized the middle east for centuries" you know what a fucking stable middle east looks like? It looks like Charles Martel fighting the Muslims at Tours. It looks like the Siege of Vienna. It is the battle of Lepanto. Our mistake is not providing stability through peaceful governance and domination of a rival threat. But make no mistake, Iran and everyone else will come for us when they feel strong enough to do so. It is an unavoidable fact of history. Or to be even more blunt, I would choose the West over the East every possible time if for nothing other than I am of the West and that is all that matters. And I bear no ill will towards anyone from the East who chooses themselves as well. It is how it is and it is how it will always be. Even if you take Israel as the enemy. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>65515335Anon you're embarrassing yourself. US foreign policy is the root cause here and all over the middle east.You are just being obtuse about what constitutes a puppet regime.Hindsight proves 100% that the people in Iran thought "Fuck America and their puppet". And the only reason they thought that was because of the US meddling in their affairs. It doesn't even have to be legitimate to have the anti-american effect it had.Like with the Shah's medical trip to the US: the US wasn't even planning to do a counterrevolution because CIA thought they could work something out with Khomeini. The guy was in exile in France. If America had wanted to stop Khomeini from returning it could have been done.But in 1979 the Iranians in the street don't know that. They just know their monarch was in Americas pocket and they aren't big fans. This is almost newtonian in the way it plays out in US foreign policy. >support the Shah>1979 Revolution and hostage crisis>support Saddam in the Iraq-Iran war>get bombed in Lebanon for it>Saddam now invades Kuwait>now need to counter Saddam>Saddam finally overthrown, hands Shia majority country to Iran>Iran now has landbridge to Syria to arm proxies >need to support AQ terrorists now to counter those>tear up the JCPOA for good measure>Iran enriches uranium>surprisedpikachu.jpg>bomb Iran>get the same number of strikes (with warning by Iran) thrown at Al Udeid>kill Iranian leadership>new ones have massive hate boner for americaAmerican action begets anti-american reaction. Like clockwork. And I'd be generous if any of this had made america richer or more powerful instead of a perpetual drain of resources.
>>65517087>Apparently the entire Muslim world is so united in their hatred of IsraelThe Gulf Nations are allies with Israel.>that they'll forego internal development or provoke war by attacking neutral ships [insert country of your choice here]The Strait of Hormuz was closed by Iran because the US did a decapitation strike against their leadership and military. Closing the Strait is basically the only response that hurts the US and the neutral countries they are screwing over are the US's Gulf State allies. Iran has never closed the Strait before despite being bombed several times, this happened specifically because of the decapitation strike and demands that Iran's next government submit to the US and Israeli demands.>And not that, you know, they might have ulterior goals of weakening their opponents/gaining power by doing so.Most people view Iran as self interested and using Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthi's as a proxy. The Pro-Pali crowd tend not to be very Pro-Iran.>I don't give a fuck who or why Iran is what it is, only that it be pacified internally or externally. FWIW we are prosecuting this war in the most retarded fucking way possible and Trump is an awful negotiator.There is a reason why every previous administration has kept there hands off Iran except for the occasional strike on suspected nuclear facilities and it is because they can close the Strait of Hormuz and we've known this for decades. The way to defeat Iran is to invade them and occupy them for a decade or two like Iraq, spend a few trillion dollars and it will probably be bloodier than Iraq and Afghanistan combined. The US public doesn't want another "Forever War" so they decided on a ineffective half measure and now things are worse then they were a year ago. Fact is, there was no easy answer and the previous bad status quo was probably the better option.
>>65502679>russia jobbing to Ukraine>usa jobbing to IranWhat a timeline indeed
