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FINALLY I CAN ASK MY QUESTIONWhich handgun most exceeded your expectations and which let you down the most?
>>65510795Do you guys think bill ruger ever looks up at us and cringes because of our modern pistols?
>>65510802>Which handgun most exceeded your expectationstaurus spectrum>which let you down the most?lcp max
>>65510802>ExceededBeretta 92>Let me downUSP
>>65510802P226 surprised me with how good its double action is and how well the grip fit my handM9 has left me a little let down in comparison, especially since it starts choking hard if I'm not fastidious with is cleaning
Will shooting steel case fuck up my 1911 and Beretta 92?
>>65510802>most exceededDE XIX .50Beretta 92>let downberetta 3032SAO leejun 226p320 xfive
>>65510809Sounds like the M9 you got was sort of a lemon. It shouldn't be that picky
>>65510818no
>>65510802S&W Shield Plus has really impressed me, I think part of it might just be that the trigger is so good out of the box cause t it's such an accurate little pocket gun.The most disappointing gun I've bought was a Springfield Garrison, especially since I invested in a few upgraded parts + XS sights right after I got it, only to find out that it was an unreliable piece of shit with FTF every magazine.
>>65510822I'm exaggerating a bit, it only started getting reliability issues after about 1000 rounds of whatever miscellaneous bullshit ammo I had at the time. I was hoping it could go longer without cleaning, but now I know its limits.
>>65510802Exceeded:Bone standard Beretta M9Let down the most:USP 45 Expert
Taurus TX22Is this the best semi auto .22 on the market RIGHT NOW?I did see a 110 round drum mag and an FRT exist for it. Seems like it would be a great afternoon of fun together
>>65510828Do you dislike cleaning your pistol? It's a calming time
>>65510802>exceededMy first 1911>let you downI hate it...but...USP
Never shot the USP before, why so many people here let down by it?
>>65510802>exceededRXM>let me down Glock 19
>>65510829>>65510849what dont you guys like about your USP? the trigger?i just got a 9mm one a couple weeks ago and have already put 600rds through it, i think its great
>>65510828Why are you not cleaning your gun?Also I’m pretty sure MRBS/MRBF testing specifically calls for lube at 500 and cleaning at 1000 rounds. Expecting a handgun to choke through a full case of dirty range ball ammunition without cleaning and without stoppage is kinda ridiculous
>>65510858It's reliable and rugged. More accurate than I can be with it, but I didn't think I'd dislike the black on black sights that much. Small thing that I plan to change though.The trigger... for having the USP Match trigger, it still doesn't come close to what a M9 feels like imo. The double action pull is smooth all the way through at least, but heavy. Single Action is definitely the best of any stock hammer fired HK I've tried, as expected of the Expert model
>>65510858The grip is too rough on my naked hands
>>65510866>The double action pull is smooth all the way through at leastyeah i am like shocked how smooth the DA is on my USP 9, I've been using it to practice steadyness drills in my bedroom and it's great for that. I'm almost curious if I should try to reconfigure it for DA only, apparently that's something you can do with USPs right out of the box.
>>65510859>Why are you not cleaning your gun?to see how far it can go>Also I’m pretty sure MRBS/MRBF testing specifically calls for lube at 500 and cleaning at 1000 rounds. Expecting a handgun to choke through a full case of dirty range ball ammunition without cleaning and without stoppage is kinda ridiculousmy ole buddy M&P can do it
>Buys gun>Doesn't want to maintain it
>>65510802My first Handgun was a Hudson H9. For the former, probably the CZP01 after CGW/CZC parts. I still dont like how little pressure there is after firing, feel like I have to manually remove my finger to let it reset and I'd prefer stronger spring tension to ride it more easily. But other than that & finding the mythical steel frame, its about the best damn owb compact carry gun you can ask for.
Finally got the LOK grips for the Performance Defensive. Yes I am a skinny faggot whatever just to get that out of the way. But holy shit the palm swell LOK grips make a literal world of difference between the Beretta feeling just off-alignment with my hand shape and fitting like a glove. This thing points almost perfectly as soon as I lift it without trying to bring it on target. I actually have a good enough grip angle I can swap the mag release and not have it feel awkward to try and use my thumb for once even. These were absurdly expensive around 150 ish, but what a difference they make. The 84 grips are a lot more rounded on the front corners so those feel fine but something about the very rectangular front angles of the 92x Performance Defensive Vertec grip just didn't want to work with me initially. If you have had issues with the Berettas and never felt like you were holding it as good as you'd want, check these out then.
>>65510869Sounds like a faggot McGirly Hands problem.
>>65510802>exceeded expectationsDesert Eagle 1911G. My first and only 1911 which I bought after years of owning DA/SA and striker fired pistols. The trigger makes the gun very accurate (Series 70) and .45acp gives you a decent push in the hand but not as much muzzle rise as one would expect. The thinness of the entire gun compared to a double stack feels great in the hand and I can see why some people choose to carry it even in this day and age. Really only the weight of it being an all steel gun is the only drawback in my mind for carry use.>let you down the mostA Beretta 92FS I received in trade a few years ago and sold on at a loss to a family member for home protection. It was the least accurate 92 series gun I ever owned (I've owned several flavors) and would shoot crazy low at 7-15 yards for some reason. Being it was a fixed front sight there was little I could do to fix it and since it was a range gun for me I didn't feel the need to keep it. I replaced it with a brand new 92FS that has much more improved accuracy at the same distances that its night and day.
>>65510943I've been recommending the LOK grips to everyone I know for years. Literally changes the gun for me.
>>65510943Signal received. I'm interested
>be me an hour ago>ride bike down lonely back road>carry Glock with me (no I’m not black)>hang around for a bit just looking at the stars>truck pulls in behind me to my 8:00 position “Are you alright? It’s kinda late..”>I feel kinda sketched outMe: “Uh yeah, I like to ride at night”“It’s pretty dark out”Me:”uh yeah, I like the quiet and looking at the stars”“Weellll I just wanted to check on ya.”Me: “well hey thanks man, I appreciate that. God bless you, have a good one.”“God bless you too, have a good night.”Anons, I’m not gonna lie, I got pretty sketched out. Thought I was gonna have to pull the Glock and put one in the chamber before shooting through a car door. Maybe I should just start carrying a revolver.
>>65511021Colt Police Positive is all you need!
>>65510802Great question.>Exceeded expectations >Let downBeretta 92fs. It was an inox that I traded a glock 30.3 for in a great deal. Similar to another anon this thing never felt accurate and fixed sights were a hurdle. It had been a dream gun of mine for years. Added nice wood grips, Wilson combat springs, tuned the trigger pull really low. Still sucked. Dude I sold it to says he'll take that gun to his grave he likes it so much lol, so I'm glad he's happy with it.Dis-Honorable mention for runner up disappointment: H&K P30L. Goddamn awful fucking trigger that was gritty as if it were dragging along asphalt. Bought it bnib from the lgs and ended up trading it off in less than 6 months despite putting 2k rounds through it. Just couldn't get over how ass that trigger was. Might have been a lemon.
Kimber is what a deaf logger yells when he fells a treeOverall impression:MehhFirstly the good. Um. It looks cool I guess, not as nice as the Prodigy imo but good. Side by side with the Prodigy it's a tiny bit softer shooting with some ammo, a tiny bit harsher with others. Recoil impulse is a little different, the Kimber seems to come back down a little faster but without being more energetic. The trigger is nicer fur sure, after I get in and tune the sear spring it'll be better than the EGW kit in the Prodigy. The toolless guide rod is killer. The extended slide stop is great, Prodigy one is unusable without a complete grip shift. The Kimber's Marvel cut feels GREAT, I wish everyone would do that, it costs nothing.I guess let's get into the negatives. It's mostly nitpicks, the grip module being the biggest one of those. The Prodigy grip is so superior it's nuts. It's better shaped, more comfortable, somehow softer AND more aggressive. The Kimber beavertail seems really cheap. The edges are all melted like the casting didn't fully fill or like somebody just buffed it to oblivion, and it's painted instead of nitrided which makes me question what it's made of. All the other steel parts are black nitrided, why not the beavertail? I think it's cast aluminum. I want to replace it but properly blending a new one is a serious PITA and requires the frame to be retouched.I don't like how both guns put the optic right on the damn ejection port, why can't anybody figure this out? 150 rounds and your optic is almost unusable. Does anybody shoot before making engineering decisions? Just move the optic half an inch, God damn.Slide fit is a little better than the Prodigy but that's not saying much so it's a negative to me. I was expecting a significantly tighter fit, but the front is just as loose side to side (although rear is tighter). Accuracy is... okay. Better than Springfield with everything but 147gr, which both guns like a lot. But it's not stellar
>>65511022Unironically? What caliber? I’ve got a little 38 snub nose.
The real kick in the nuts is pic related. It happened about 5 times over ~250 rounds. Two of them tapped into battery, the rest no matter how hard I fisted would not comply, had to pull the slide slightly to unbind them. If this continues I will be upset but for now I'm merely annoyedtl;dr I am so deeply impressed by the Prodigy that it kind of overshadows what joy I have for the 2K11. The Prodigy, despite the haters, I think is really a fantastic gun, especially at $600 less and with some better attributes
>>65511042>buy expensive pistol>it's a jammomatic piece of crapsad, many such cases
In other news, FUKBRNO finally got back to me after 3 years. I emailed the US distributor thrice over a year, got crickets twice and the third time they said they can't get parts and that the PSD Compact slide stop lever I asked for would not fit in my PSD. Not so cool.Cut to a year ago and I emailed both FUKBRNO's international support webzones and 9 months later one of them finally got back to me, wanted a shipping address. Cool I thought. Crickets for 3 months, not so coolThen pic related shows up at my door. Cool I thought. You need to pay the tarriff before I can give it to you sir. Not so cool. A $19 trumpriff later and I see they sent not one but TWO PSD Compact slide stops for "free"
>>65511055>expensive pistol>the budget of budget red dotsCleary Anon only shoots the highest of quality 9mm that would never jam up a compensated pistol.
And they do fit. And I gotta tell you, if you have PSD you have got to try to get one of these. The PSD's slide stop is all hard edges and hurts like hell with a thumbs high grip. The Compact lever completely fixes that! The finish doesn't match but who cares, it feels fantastic now>>65511061Show me where I can buy an FN Pureview please?Oh it doesn't exist?The Swampfoxing will continue until production improves.>>65510859I don't clean my guns until they start malfunctioning, that's typically thousands of rounds even for .22
>>65511039It's an in jokeColt Police Positives are in various old timey calibers such as .32 Long Colt but later production had them in .38 Special. Those were very fittingly named Colt Police Positive Special. The third gen 1977+ models are the ones worth buying for actual use, the older gens I wouldn't exactly entrust my life to.If you want a better suggestion; I'm sure someone else will
>>65511064>FN PureViewFuck, forgot that was a thing I guess that'll be the only way FN can ever get me to purchase one of their pistols; package it with a holographic pistol sight that is also of their makingThose Belgian waffle makers are already in my armory via the FN SCAR 17S, guess a pistol is fine too
>>65511069Yeah, I like my Glock- I just don’t feel comfortable carrying one in the pipe, man. What I need to do is get a holster for my 3913.
>>65510802Posting before reading any replies.>exceeded expectationsThe S&W Bodyguard 2.0 Is dirt cheap and incredibly easy to shoot considering the size. 9/10>biggest let downI bought a Ruger Super Blackhwak on a whim and the trigger was ass, it fit my hand like garbage, and was uncomfortable to shoot even with .44spl. Huge waste of money.
>>65510856It's the same gun lmao
>>65510802>exceeded your expectationsMy Glock 17Honestly didnt want a Glock for years because everyone else had one and it was always the guntuber tactical bros, but it feels pretty good imo, and just works. I got a pretty good deal on a trade in and just went for it.>which let you down the most?My Pietta SAA 45. Everyone always talks about how cool the SAA is, and I mean yeah- it’s cool, but it’s heavy, completely impractical, and was just a waste of money for me. Found out I just really don’t like 45.
Besides shooting more and trying to hit the bullseye how do you improve your accuracy?This is 10 yards and I suck asshole
>>65511080Not at all the QC on the RXM blew me away
>>65511087Dry fire. Watch Ben Stoeger’s videos (hwansik Kim, Joel park on his Ben Stoeger pro shop channel), read his books (now free on kindle unlimited). Think about pressing the trigger to the rear without disturbing the sights or the muzzle.
>>65511093The chattering in the barrel that fucked the rifling?
>>65511101No you're thinking of the Glock19 I'm talking about the RXM
>>65510802Taurus TX22 for being insanely reliableWalther PK380 for making thirty inch groups
>>65511021>be me an hour agoWho else would you be?
>>65510866>for having the USP Match trigger, it still doesn't come close to what a M9 feels like imoThis was what I was worried about so I just installed the trigger with the overtravel stop. Definitely worth it and only cost $35 in whatever year that was. 2013 or something. The extended mag release was another good one, $20 and super easy to install but it made a big difference. Those two things and sights are all you need. And the light adapter. And a holster for that adapter because they aren't interchangeable. Love the gun though.
>>65511128(You)
>>65511101For less than half the price I got something just as good. Everyone knows Glock is making absurd profits on budget pistols. Their QC involves just tossing pistols for anything because it's so cheap
>>65511087You're all over the place, (as opposed to consistently off in one direction) so my guess is your grip is inconsistent. I would try to queue yourself to get the web of your hand waaaaay up high on the beaver tail and press the grip together with both palms. Not white-knuckle tight but pretty firm, and keep just the pad of your pointer finger gently on the trigger as you squeeze straight back. Dry fire a lot and watch where the front sight moves. Shooting good gets a lot easier when you have a strong, consistent grip and smooth, consistent trigger pull.
>>65511138Phrasing your reply like you're me why?
>>65511138Why are you trying to justify being poor and making decisions like a poor person? Just admit that your cheaper "just a good" pistol is a mediocre cope and move on like all the other poors do.
>>65511128jackie chan
>>65511142I bought it because it's better (accuracy, reliability, longevity) and I can take advantage of that juicy glock aftermarket (mags, radian)
>>65510935>after CGW/CZC partsI'm not totally in love with mine either. I wanted maybe 75% of this.
>>65511142I make enough money to not worry if something doesn't work out. If I take a chance and it's a good deal, I saved money. If it doesn't work out, I guess I paid for a lesson and that's also okay. Only people who don't have the money to go around twice worry about it.
>>65510855It needs upgrades and most people shoot stock ones.
>>65511142Only buying Prestige Brand things is THE poorfag mentality
>>65511139>so my guess is your grip is inconsistent.That is true. I have been trying to work on it. My hand is up as high as it will go, but weak hand positioning and the force I'm applying with it is probably wrongMight sign up for some of the courses my range offers and see if it helps. I will keep dry fire practing as well, recoil anticipation especially is a problem when shooting 10mm>>65511100Thanks for the video recs
>>65511152FWIW I treat mine only as a defensive carry gun. In that the trigger is super nice and has a great break but there are other issues with it. I have truglo tfx sights on it which aren't super accurate either. It is 100% made to work in a real situation when I'm not trying to go for hyper range accuracy. That's why my only real concern is having to let off the trigger more than I want. Otherwise, it is really nice.Especially compared to the Hudson lmao. Turns out I really love flat CZ style trigger faces and HATE 1911 straight back triggers. My first Ian disappointment. >Yes I could swap out the springs around the magwell & trigger again. But I did that once and I fuckign hated it lmao.
>>65510869This was a real complaint and in response they came out with the worst possible texture.
>>65511182A hands on class with a decent instructor is definitely a great bang for your buck. Hope it helps, and don't get discouraged!
>>65510802>exceededGlock 17L, granted it had a trigger job, very easy to shoot. Nice surprise to me as I've hated all other glonks, the cramped trigger guards, the feel of pot metal and beach pail plastic, the scraping rough internals, the mags don't want to eject lmao? I can see daylight through the gun sideways fuck you.>let downSIG P211. Felt rough and unfinished, mainly just a poor value, for half the price you could more comfortably shoot a superior caliber (45 acp).
>>65510943My dealer was into sigs.
>>65510802>exceededTisas 'Stakeout' 1911 in 9mm/38splHas really just been a great gun to own and shoot and it was $400.>let downMy first 1911, a circa 2012 Kimber TLEII that just never ran right.
>>65511035Man, you could have had one really nice 2011 instead of a Springfield and a Kimber.
>>65511195That's interesting, I have had no other issues with it but I have different sights. There were times where it was my daily carry but they were short and I never really considered it a main carry it was just a placeholder.
>>65511227>Tisas 'Stakeout' 1911 in 9mm/38splI think you mean .38SupNo one has made a .38 spl 1911 since like the 70s.
What kind of iwb holster should I look for regarding my S&W 3913? Also, what would you guys do about carrying a spare mag or maybe 2?
>>65511411>Also, what would you guys do about carrying a spare mag or maybe 2? If I carry one I usually just toss it in a pocket. I should just make some mag holsters, they are easy enough and I can work leather decently but I'm lazy.
>>65511259That is indeed what I meant.it csmr with a 38 super barrel.
>>65511042Ah beans Burt. Sorry you don't like it as much as I did. I prefered whatever grip module I felt on the 2k11 so maybe that sways my opinion but I couldn't tell you which it was since iirc they make a small variety or at least make a aluminum and polymer that have been iteratied on.Absolutely a bummer the gun didn't run well. I shot a CZ rami the other day a gun shop let me use at their rental range with the intention to buy it and the thing had so many failures that I just couldn't trust it.
Oh yeah, and while I’m asking about holsters- what’s a good IWB holster for a Gen 2 Glock 17?
Man, it feels good to have a Gen 6 Glock 19. But I want a more expensive gun that looks cool. What's a 1000 ish dollar 1911 that is shiny and will get my dick sucked
>>65510869pussy, put grip tape on it.
>>65511676A Colt, but the dick sucking will be from Fudd Boomers and mostly figurative
>>65511714Whenever I'm shooting .357 Mag on a public range, it draws in the boomers by the dozen. They float on over like I left a pie on a windowsill in a Loony Tunes cartoon.
Is it worth getting a PDP if I already have a PPQ?
>>65511819Unless you're collecting every Walther model? Probably not
>>65510802>exceeded walther ppk>disappointed g43x
>>65511462My favorite right now by far is the vedder "rapid tuck" that has kydex on the outside for retention and leather (I upgrade to horsehide) on the inside for comfort. They make them custom for almost every gun/light/optic combo and usually show up in ~2 weeks.
>>65511819>>65511836>tfw no PDP 45 never everI managed to snag a NOS PPQ M2 45 and threaded barrel for a good price last year but I want more. I try to collect every modern 45 I can so I can't blame myself when gun manufacturers stop making them.
>>65511913I still have zero idea why a .45 ACP full-size PX4 exists but not a Compact version
>>65511837>ppkLiterally how? Such a piece of shit if it weren’t for Bond nobody would get one.
>>65511100I found Stoeger's videos and books to be entirely unhelpful. The only thing that got me better was just shooting a hell of a lot more until it felt and looked right. I don't think his methods work with everyone but if they do, go for it
>>65511819Yeah, pdp is a pretty substantial change from the ppq
>>65511913>I try to collect every modern 45I was talking with a friend awhile ago about how few modern 45 models there are. It's kinda wild when you consider what a popular cartridge it is.>>65511819The standard full size PDP? Probably not. A PDP-f or a steel frame pdp with a comp or some other variety that provides something your PQQ doesn't? Yeah of course.
>>65511921If Beretta made a PX4 compact in .45 AARP, it would have the same capacity as the HK45CWhich is to say, abysmal dog shit at only 8 (10 with extended base plates). Likely wouldn't be able to withstand usage of .45 Super either.
>>65510802>Exceeded MK23>Let downNone, I love guns
>>65511921It was probably made to compete in the same SOCOM Joint Combat Pistol trial as the FNP 45 Tactical back in the 2000's but don't quote me on that. Beretta submitted pic related but of course the trials went nowhere. I still need to collect this one but I think Beretta only makes one batch per year just like HK does with the Mk23.>>65511952Rumor has it that Sneedfield will release an Echelon 45 next year.
>>65511952I think if you're a guy that shoots a lot, you probably shoot 9mm. .45 enjoyers are probably fudds that go through a box a year so most companies don't see the point in marketing to them..40 only exists because it's literally just a 9mm gun so there's no reason not to
>>65512030What's actually happening is that compfags are becoming more influential in the "tactical" side of the gun industry which happens every time there's a lull in major boots-on-the-ground overseas conflicts like in the 1990's before GWOT. Special forces fags love shooting 9mm when all they do is train.
>>65511042Kimber has successfully psyopped the masses into thinking they're good again, and yet this is the result of kimber+a custom shop doing the fitting. (I still kinda want one of the pretty copper or purpleish ones in 45)
Do you think that God, too, stays in heaven out of fear of what he’s created? Just kidding I fucking love this abomination.
>>65511021That was a gay guy cruising seeing if you were zesty and dtf.
>>65512062At this point, I pretty much only shoot 9mm and one other cartridge whether it's .357 Mag or .45 ACP. I shoot a lot (and of course have other hobbies) so I'm not gonna split my ammo fund across 6 different calibers when I also have 5.56 and 12GA to buy.
>>65511819Not really if you're just replacing the PPQ, they're basically the same gun other than the optic mount and substantially improved texture on the PDPIf you can employ them differently or have a particular lust for the PDP or Walther brand then yeah imo. Like anon said the F is quite different, maybe enough to otherwise justify having both
>>65512125Do you think bike riding at night was signalling?
>>65512160Man, if I had a collection half that beautiful, I'd be tempted to take them all to the local range just to style on people.
>>65512181Thanks man :D I rotate through my stash for that reason, I love to share. It makes my day when I can make someone's day
>>65512125This
I've only owned Glocks, what should I buy for my next handgun?
>>65512296PX4
>>65512296Staccato if you want to keep being a police larper
>>65512296RXM upgrade baby
>>65512296A .22 and a silencer
>>65512296chudretta 92
>>65512296Have you considered a Glock?
>>65510795>poorfag Glock Wick wannabe circa 2015 loadoutI know anon. But I tried.
>>65512353Overpressure defensive ammo often impacts lower than soft range ammo! Remember that, baka!
>>65511087Dry fire until you can break the trigger without moving the dot>I don’t have a dotGet one, and then dry fire with it
>>65511087>>65512374the coin trick is really good for this kind of dry fire
>>65512348A guy I know carried a M9 while in the Army and hated it, said any little spec of dirt or sand would cause malfunctions
>>65512384i mean ymmv with any gun but I have yet to have a single malfunction with any of my berettas even while doing sometimes retarded stage gimmicks at matches like dunking them in water or dragging them through gummy red clay dust
>>65512384Clapped out armory issued M9s are in no way representative of the quality of Beretta 92FS and other variantsYour retarded compatriots can, will, and HAVE used .50 BMG rounds as tools to hammer things out. To explosive effects.
>>65512384M9s =/= all beretta 92s
>>65512374Learning on irons is fine. You can also just get a little bore laser for a couple bucks instead of hundreds.
>>65511933t. Faggot retard
>>65512376I was in a fed academy and got some one on one time with an instructor who was on the Olympic pistol team. This is one method he used in the two hours that changed my game forever.
>>65512517Learning with irons is “fine” but it’s much faster to train with a dot and skills with a dot carry over to irons while irons to dot is not so easy.
>>65512517enjoy being bad forever LOL
The barrier to entry for pistol dots is easier than it ever has been. No dot = poverty beyond comprehension
>>65512544What if I just think they look ugly
When you install a dot do you take the irons off after you have it zeroed or keep them on to cowitness?Or is this preference
>>65512545Take your fudd ass back to the NRA
>>65512545Are bad groups better looking that good groups?
>>65512544What if the guns I want don't come with optic cuts?
>>65512578Mill that shit yourself
>>65512578Hose clamps nigga
>>65512582based fallout raider
>>65512548you leave them onin what world would you voluntarily go through the extra effort to remove a functioning feature of a firearm?
If a man can't mill his own optic cut is he really a man?
PSL/hg/ sisters, what are you carrying tduring this coziest of seasons?
>>65512587Yes. Sorry but machinists aren't the only men out there.
spent 2 hours shooting a .22tried cci stingers, pretty fun. ever shot theres a fireballhow long do you guys stay at the range
>lose the screws that attach the Beretta 92 rdo plate to the slide.>What looks to be the right screw is out of stock on their website, but I'm not sure as it took forever to get the optic cut and I forgot.Does anyone know what type of m3 (I think) screws are used here and where I could get some without ordering 1000 pieces? Thanks in advance beretta anons
>>65511138Don't reply to Glock shills. They will only ever recommend Glocks, the goalposts will always move, anything cheaper isn't good enough, and anything more expensive is unnecessary. Gen 3 clones from other manufacturers don't have special horse cum-infused plastic so they're inferior, and anything built with a greater degree of craftsmanship than a Glock and has an equal legacy of reliability gets scoffed at because "guns are tools, bro". They are not real, gun-owning people sharing their love for the pistol they bought, they're advertisers.
Yo /k/. I'm still relatively new to guns. I like to clean my Glock, so every like 200 rounds I clean it.Why does the slide rock when I press on it? Do other guns do this?
>>65512737I can go whenever I want, so maybe like an hour? I have those balistics earbuds with bluetooth (and over-the-ear muffs too), so I just throw on an album and practice different stuff
>>65512721Bullshit
>>65512796>>65512721Every machinist I've met has been some combination of homosexual and conservativeVery effete folks!
>>65512296>Only serious replies to this are B*rretas
>>65512811It's an obvious answer because they're the most non Glock readily available and fully functional handguns
>>65512801That's what happens when you go to the machine shop in your neighborhood. I heard all of them in San Francisco are like that. If you move away you'll find real men
>>65512821Buddy, I'm from a coal mining town in Kentucky
>>65512821This is signalling. He wants you to come to his machine shop and get bored out.
>>65512835Just as queer you need to move to a real state. Come to texas brother
>>65512857Like this?>>65512842Posting some GERMANIC guns
>>65512881TEXAS? HOLY SHIT SONYA KNOW ONLY STEERS AND QUEERS COME FROM TEXASAND YOU AREN'T A STEER, THAT SURE NARROWS IT DOWN
>>65512887Oh Ha Ha got me laffin
>>65512892Seething.
>>65512296CZ75 SP-01
>>65512937I'm not a queer sonny boy
>>65512818>S&W, Walther, and H&K block your path
>>65512586Chill, faggot. Clearly a newbie just asking
>>65512956If someone has only shot Glocks, the obvious next step is a non-polymer hammer-fired handgun(or a .22LR with a suppressor). If I had to pick a hammer-fired non-polymer gun, I'm going with Berettas every single time. I don't want to have to try and find a West German Sig for a good price, third gen Smiths have expensive mags and Walther/HK don't really fit the mold. Also he COULD go revolver but I wouldn't; not smart for new shooters to get into multiple calibers AND shooting 9mm through revolvers is gay. Yes, moon clips are gay as well.
Why shouldn't I just carry a NAA revolver?
>>65513037I'm sure there are still parts of this great nation that are white enough for me to carry that and feel completely safe. Sadly, I don't live near any of them. It's 30 (+1) rounds of 9mm EDC for me.
>>65512789Normal slop? Not sure what you mean, can you post a video?
What's a good handgun for the last White man fleeing the Lone Saar State? It needs to be able to operate even will filled with poop. I will avoid SIG since I know those are already filled with jeet shit from the factory.
Every law-abiding American citizen should own, maintain, carry and train with a Glock 19 with several mags and at least 10k+ rounds of 9mm in stockpile.
>>65513066Are you calling glocks slop?
>>65513086Beretta 92 has an open slide for easier tactical clearance of panchagavya and other slop from the ganges You could import a norinco, they are the natural enemy of the saar A webley has a +2d6 intimidation roll buff based on remembrance of the raj Personally I would use a captive bolt pistol, eliminating the gomatha pooja stuns ones that are present and prevents new ones from spawning for a while
>>65510795Make fun of me all you want but I have a p320 that's basically my "have fun do stupid shit" gun. Currently I have an eorech eflx on it as I never had a pistol red dot and it's the only handgun I have that is optics ready. My issue is that I am having problems where when I would zero it I can see the dot just fine, but when I give it to someone else they have trouble finding it and say it seems way too low. I know I'm obviously not looking through it right, but now I ask how do I exactly look through it right aka center myself correctly onto it?
>>65513086Go talk about your scat fetish somewhere else
>>65513156The spambots will continue to force off topic shit into every corner of this site while the mods continue to do nothing and hiroshimoot continues to be a faggot.
>>65513118>You could import a norinco, they are the natural enemy of the saarIntradesting... I've seen a couple at the LGS in my town. Do they shoot bespoke calibers?>>65513156SYBAU, JD.
>>65512689
>>65512689CC is illegal where I live
>>65513300Cousin Copulation? Legal for me.Concealed Carry? We call that Constitutional Carry in my state
>>65513323I remember when I was 12 I would spy on my cousins while they were showering (both were around 18), they new and teased me....anyhow...handguns?
>>65513066>Normal slop? Not sure what you mean, can you post a video?I can try but am retarded https://files.catbox.moe/nseh20.mp4
>>65513346im going to kill myself wtf wheres the video
>>65513344My cousin was my first and she taught about guns. Unfortunately I was too retarded and one track minded to really get an affinity for em until far later in life and way after she got married.She loved her S&W Lady Smith 3913 and 5906
>>65513300Damn, I didn't know the British were still allowed to post here
>Another fire in a Sig buildingKek.
>>65510795is there any Beretta where the hole that goes around the barrel is actually centered? every one I've seen has uneven thickness on the band that hold the sight
>>65512192I like this photo.
>>65513346Cant see videIf gun go boom not problem
>>65513429Yes, I have 10 beretta 92s. Some barrel and slide and frame combinations it’s centered Slight POI shift from different barrels
ok i think you guys were right, conceal carrying a full size Beretta 92 with light is kinda heavy when you add in the bulky holsters
>>65512587>wager will do it for $100>a clapped-out 40 year old Bridgeport on FB marketplace is $4kYeah, it's a skill I would like to pick up someday but I'd rather spend that money on guns and ammo instead.
>>65513540>
>>65512789>>65513346That's very normal for mass-produced polymer strikerslop, I'd even say that's less movement than a typical Glock so nothing to worry about.
>>65512120I want it. >>65512296Can never have too many Glocks friend. >>65512539This is a retarded take. >>65512689That finish tells me you've never carried it... but hot damn is it pretty. >>65512737>bougie indoor range that charges every 15 minutesI'll get 150-200 rounds through in 30 minutes and go home. >blasting trash in a ditchEasily 2+ hours until I run out of bulk ammo>>65512757"Cap head" M3 screws. Not 100% sure how long you'll need. They have cheap kits with a ton of sizes on Amazon. Just make sure to use locktite. https://a.co/d/0bhQmzSq>>65513037That would be the gayest thing to have in your hand when paramedics show up to the crime scene where you got murdered. I think having a literal dildo in your cold dead hand would be less gay than getting mugged and trying in vein to defend yourself with that, thinking you could fan the hammer fast enough to make up for the fact that the ballistic performance of a .22mag from a .7" barrel is worse than a sneeze. >>65513551Did you do that with a regular drill press? Mine has waaaaay too much slop to mill with.
>>65513601He's replying to 20 posts agan.
>>65513655Yep. Shame to see him back
>>65513655>not one of them mineI go to work and come home, not a single (you). Am I not pretty enough for you?
>>65513509Lose weight and buy a better belt
>>65512689Such a nice shooter, anon, you should think about that one. This thing rocks
>>65513598>retarded take>from pizza-box-groups-bin
>>65513713Is this signaling
>>65513763Huh?
>>65512296USP 45CZ 75Beretta 92FS
>>65513773Owning Turkish guns is a well known signal that you want to get cored out like a pineapple.
>>65513782I was unaware
>>65513782If I see a Turkish gun in the bathroom I can generally just start having my way with him and he won't put up a fight.
>>65513601He posted a AR lower with the 3rd hole drilled out once which is signaling that he wants to be fucked in federal prison
>>65513798Is that where he was?
>>65513798big boys do what they want
>>65512170>Do you think bike riding at night was signalling?Bike riding anywhere but a trail at anytime is signaling.
PX4anon, what is your carry ammo?
>>65513845Everyone knows that.
>>65513845What do you do when you a see a biker with the crossbody carry bag?
>>65513850Federal HST 124 gr +P (50 cpr)Federal HST 230 gr (80 cpr)Winchester Ranger 147 gr (50 cpr)Winchester Ranger .45 230 gr (80 cpr)
407 comp or give the Osight X a go for my competition gun? I had an Osight SE on my last edc before I sold it with the gun and it was really good but I'm not too keen on the recharging cover over just using a normal battery
>>65513895I've been using 124g Speer Gold dot but wasn't sure if that was the best out of both a Glock 19 and a PX4 Compact Good to know, thanks!
>>65513920I have done zero research and just carry whatever. I mean, if you really cared you’d have to test every batch/lot of ammo due to variations in production (certain batches fail penetration testing despite passing QC (Winchester)) or Federal at the behest of an agency’s demand for better barrier penetration randomly decides to make the bullet change for the entire line making it so their JHPs no longer expand out of short barrels (Federal HST 147 gr). For a while I was literally carrying reject 147 gr M1153 (U.S. Army’s new JHP round) where they randomly have the M1153 projectile or a standard Ranger projectile as they fucked up the manufacturing. I stopped since I was seeing reports of clogging with the M1153 projectile
>>65513939I mean I did do research but what I consider research is Paul Harrel’s high tech meat target and some soda jugs. I do have the private range to do that stuff at now… >soda/water jugs>best possible medium for hollow point expansion, if it doesn’t expand in water it won’t ever>meat target >multi medium penetration target which can show off performance vs bone
>>65513939>>65513956Interesting.I wonder if tracer rounds would be worth trying, mainly for shits and giggles. I've never used them before.
>>65513965They are not.
>>65513856I carry a in a cross body bag while I road bike. Most of the guys in my bike group carry one way or another.>t. actually bisexual man who's deathly afraid of getting gaybashed
>>65514006>actually bisexualWell that checks out
>>65513939>Federal at the behest of an agency’s demand for better barrier penetration randomly decides to make the bullet change for the entire line making it so their JHPs no longer expand out of short barrels (Federal HST 147 gr).Source?
>>65513895https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/beretta-px4-compact-leather-right-hand-owb-holster-mod--04-E01129Have you tried this holster? I love my IWB one by them but I want an OWB for practicing draw and if I get into comp
>>65514006I don't believe people still get gay bashed. I don't think that's been a thing since the mid 90s at the latest.
>>65514025>Alabama
>>65514025Not a common thing, but my sailor cousin got gaybashed in fucking San Fran of all places around 2010
>>65514018I have not. I have never tried OWB, other than wearing my AIWB engima OWB.
>>65514025It stopped when we lost our country
What’s your opinion on single point holsters? I’m trying to find a holster for my S&W 3913, but it seems my options are very limited.
>>65514045So you just draw and reholster from IWB when you dryfire!? That's hardcore, man
>>65513713I like this thing. How does it shoot? How's the trigger? Do the safeties flop around like my FN HP did before I sold it
>>65514057What? If you’re not drawing you’re not training I do that shit live fire what do you mean? >>65514056Ronin Leather Holsters LLC or some other custom maker can make something custom. https://roninleatherholstersllc.com/Cms/
>>65514068My IWB holster is leather so it smooshes in between my hips and jeans/belt. So I usually train from low ready
>>65514092So are mine. I did opt for them to have steel bands reinforcing the mouth for reholstering, forgot about that.
>>65514025Blacks in Atlanta do it.
>>65514098You can actually see the steel band in this one >>65514068under the sharkskin
>>65514006At least it’s not a cz.
I actually found a dirt cheap official OWB leather USP 45 holster on eBay which should be here in over a week. I'm pretty stoked as my USP has lived in a case ever since I got it. Now i can actually get gas with 12(+1) rounds of .45 African Criminal Punisher on my waist
>>65511042>prodigy good>kimber badI’ve seen the exact opposite. 2011s are like a box of chocolates is the reality.
>>65513153Awe come on I got of work man im actually serious. Im sorry for sounding like a retard.
>>65514016Sounds more like gold dot G2 to me, but +p is for sub 4 inch barrels.
>>65512564If you don't like the way your gun looks, you won't use it. If he hates the way dots look, then not having one is infinitely better than a gun he had lost interest in.
>>65514307Don't engage with dot fags. They think that because THEY need a crutch to shoot well that everyone does.
>>65514436Speaking of dots, you ever have the problem where it feels like you're not centering yourself on the dot so it causes you to look through it at a weird angle and you don't realize that until someone else shoots it?
>>65514436I tried a dot and for accurate target shooting it was 100% better.My only gripe is just the increased complexity.Now you gotta buy a dot and make sure it’s mounted right yada yada (more consumerism)Then while it might be an upgrade, I’m not convinced that it gives a big enough advantage where if you had a shooter clone himself and battle himself, one with a dot and one without, it would still mostly be about 50/50 who wins the gun fight imo. What I’m saying is I’m not really sure the better groups and split times on paper really translate into real world effectiveness. Like, other variables in the shooting overshadow it significantly.Or maybe I’m just talking out of my ass.
>>65514468I always assumed irons would be good enough for closer distance real life situation shit, but I also don't know much so maybe a red dot would help with faster target acquisition
>>65514468In most practical defense situations, you're going to legit just be point shooting and not even considering your sights. Basically every bodycam has proved this. In competition, dots are an advantage but they're just one advantage of many you can have and your training can definitely compensate for the lack of an optic if for some reason you can't or won't use one.
>>65514037>>65514101So B-laxes whipping up on whitey? Hardly seems like proper gay bashing >>65514039Wtf, really? Was it just blacks acting in their nature or is there an actual story here you could greentext? Would him having a concealed handgun have prevented him getting gay bashed?>>65514048You won't ever do anything but cope and seethe on 4chan.
>>65514468>tried a dot and for accurate target shooting it was 100% betterAll of the records in NRA Bullseye were set with irons and haven't been beaten despite most top level competitors switching to dots almost 40 years ago. Just saying
>>65514512Xenoestrogens affect eyesight development at an early ageFood for thought
>>65514436>They think that because THEY need a crutch to shoot well that everyone does.uhm sweaty i hope you're not using cartridges, it's not real shooting unless you're touching off black powder that you made yourself with your piss and charcoal with flint and steel>>65514437this is because dots will immediately expose problems with your grip on presentation. also shoot both eyes open>>65514468>What I’m saying is I’m not really sure the better groups and split times on paper really translate into real world effectiveness>i'm not really sure that every measurable metric of shooting speed and accuracy translate into shooting speed and accuracythey absolutely do, there's a reason why most matches classify irons and optics into different categories>if you had a shooter clone himself and battle himselfat varying distances and lighting conditions the dot user would absolutely win because someone using a dot is 100% going to land hits first at 25 yards in adverse night lighting
>>65512801Non gay conservative machinist here
>>65514468Cloning doesn't work that way and even if it did we don't have the tech for it. And even if we did why would your own clone be trying to kill you?
>>65514512I think this means people stopped giving a shit about bullseye and do other sports like USPSA and IDPA instead. When records exist that long they were either set by a super human or cheated, but in this case it’s more likely NRA is an irrelevant boomer sport.
Kind of interesting all the challenges we’ve done were dominated by people with dots
>>65514547Perhaps people with dots simply have more money at their disposal (they do have optics ready guns with optics) meaning they have more money to spend on ammunition which as we all know, is necessary to shoot. Shooting practice requires shooting said ammo, which those with optics ready pistols + optics can probably afford to have and use more of
>>65513086Taurus Raging Bull. The jeets will think you're a mighty warrior sent by Lord Krishna because you have a gun named after a cow.
>>65514603>people who only use irons are poor, stupid, bad at shooting, and never trainYou don't say!
>dot argument in 2026I hope PB anhero's more than anything. Xer's entire purpose is to derail this gen
>>65514656Who the fuck is PBBurt?
>Not knowing Pastebin The Thread Shitter
>>65514666You mean the OP?
>>65514603>simply have more money at their disposalDoubt, most of the times the more kitted out their guns are the more likely they are in debt (not all the time), the amount of times I have seen local listing, gun shows, LGS/pawn, of quality setups on consignment or sold way below of when they bought it because they needed the money badly. You take away their gucci optics and they shoot worse than some kid with their 10/22. Optics ≠ experienced shooter.
>More bait
>>65514547The illustrious shooting club of /hg/, of course
>>65514603Dry firing consistently helps you get better and is free.>>65514547Dots help, but consistent practice, especially dry firing to make sure your trigger pull is consistent is what matters. My pistol dots are all off so if I took any of these challenges I would be doing ass.
>>65513037Does the person holding that have tiny hands or is that model a bigger one I've never seen before? It's hurting my brain.>Why shouldn't IIf someone attacking you is armed, chances are they'll have a more effective weapon than that. If someone attacking you isn't armed there's a better chance they'll survive and spin the story to make you the aggressor.
>>65513153If the shots land exactly where the dot is at a decent distance it's zeroed. If other people are having trouble acquiring the dot that's not a problem with the dot.
>>65514056Urban carry has a lot of options for 3rd gen's if you don't get a ronin
Kind of want a .40 just so I can have a gun in .40 and may it double as a camping gun.Thinking about a gen 2 glock 23.
>>65514547Yeah but the challenges we do are about tight groups on paper.The argument is that in the real world, the groups, as long as they aren’t like ridiculously bad, won’t matter. It will be more so about minute of man combat accuracy which the drills don’t really consider.
>>65510802>exceeded your expectationsFMDA 19.2 (CMW) with ebay upk/lpk, combat armory barrel, cyelee optic, and ha universal comp. it was like $300 all in and ive got 1000+ rounds in it so far. im actually considering getting a serialized lower and carrying it daily.> let you down luger P1, I really wanted it to be fun and maybe I'm just retarded and need to learn her preferences but its constant failures and jams I couldn't get any ammo I had on hand to work I tried 115gr 145gr+p and even subs just to see if it would work.
>>65511087anon do you have parkinsons
>>65514781I don't know why the assumption is that every "real world" encounter is a 3 yard magdump from retentionliterally a month ago there was a high profile shooting where 25+ yard hits would have ended the threat fifteen minutes before the police had to find and put the guy downgroups absolutely matter, in fact they're priority 1 in the list of things that matter immediately in front of speed
>>65514800>I don't know why the assumption is that every "real world" encounter is a 3 yard magdump from retentionIt's just because the idea that most defensive shootings are "three yards, three shots, three seconds" makes for good fuddlore. I think there was a study that concluded most defensive shootings actually happen at a distance of about 10 yards since that's the average length of two automobiles, and random muggings tend to happen in places like dark parking lots and gas stations.
>>65514777>.40 woods gunI don't get this meme, its out penetrated by 9mm hardcasts and makes a smaller hole than .45 hardcasts(which also out penetrate it iirc).
>>65514781How’s your draw speed and splits then?
>>65514603Optics make shooting tighter groups easier. The affect is amplified by distance as it is really hard to hit a target at 50 yards when your front sight obscures the entire target. Dry fire training with a dot is also easier than with irons so the cost of training isn't even a huge factor.Dots are good and constantly getting even better and cheaper every year.
>>65510802Exceeded: Walther PPS. Slim little carry gun that conceals better than a snubbie while easier to shoot well.Let down: Beretta 92X. Ate a locking block and sheered bolts for a red dot mount. Currently sitting in the safe contemplating it's failures.
>>65514926Let me break it down for you honky.If you got fucked in the ass by my 4 inch pecker vs some other niggas 6 inch pecker, at the end of the day you still got fucked in the ass.At the end of the day you still my bitch nigga.Does that clarify things for you little white sissy?
>>65514892Well the idea is that:1) it’s not another 9mm gun (redundancy)2) considering black bears, wild boar, and bobcats are the biggest animal threats where I live, shot-per-shot I’m betting on the 180 grain .40 load besting the 9mm loads.3) it’ll be a gun I take care of, but won’t feel bad if I get sweat on it or throw it in a bag, it’s just an old .40 Glock.
>>65515144Hi-Point JCP 40 Glock problem solva
>>65515144>shot-per-shot I’m betting on the 180 grain .40 load besting the 9mm loads.180gr .40 has less muzzle energy than 147gr 9mm +P
>>65515166180 grains at 1,000 fps is 400 ft lbs147 grains at 1,120 fps is 409 ft lbsFor one, that difference is negligible.Two, 180 grain .40s typically get a little over that common 1,000 fps while I’d be surprised if the 9mm was commonly topping 1100 fps.Lastly, while the energy difference is a wash, I favor the heavier round since energy disproportional favors speed.
>>65514970>The affect is amplified>affectsaar saar pls to be buying the dot
>>65515166>>6551519240@180gr kind of becomes 9mm with a heavier bullet, it's going to have more energy at lower weight>>65514777>Thinking about a gen 2 glock 23Yeah, of course you should, worst case you can commit a conversion barrel
>>65514759I mostly posted that NAA post just for the picture cause it had the same effect on me
>>65515144Anything besides a .22lr is larping. A .22lr round enter the bear's chest cavity tumbling and seeks the nearest organ, it ping pongs organ to organ essentially creating "chest soup" in the bear. You can imagine how devastating it is in the skull
>>65515192>>65515210>difference is negligiblethe difference isn't negligible because you're sacrificing three rounds for an equivalent amount of energy and paying more per round to do it>I’d be surprised if the 9mm was commonly topping 1100 fps.underwood 147gr +P is rated at 1125 ft/secNATO 124gr 9mm generally achieves 1100-1200fps>energy disproportional favors speed>it's going to have more energy at lower weightcommon core and its consequences have been a disaster for the human racethe exact opposite is true, anon. the formula for energy is 1/2mv^2. kinetic energy scales fractionally with mass and exponentially with velocityyou're probably thinking of momentum, with is p = mv180gr .40sw at 974 ft/sec has 512J muzzle energy and 25 lb-ft/s of momentum147gr 9mm at 1125 ft/sec has 560J muzzle energy and 24 lb-ft/s of momentumI mean, I totally get that the gun is cheap and essentially disposable, .40 is just extremely shitty 10mm and shouldn't be confused for an actually powerful caliber.
If man is the most dangerous game, then .22 is the most dangerous cartridge.
>>65515287I think I love you FF
We aren’t getting an updated px4 model, are we?
>>65515307Why would we? That gun is deader than disco and the only place I’ve ever seen it glazed is here. It’s a very mediocre without $400 in upgrades in it.
>>65515144This post isn't logical. You don't need to buy another 9mm, if anything buying a .40 for this purpose is the actual redundant behavior, could've just used the 9mm you already had instead of buying a new gun that doesn't do anything new. As far as the second point goes, you're just going off your emotions there. 147gr HCs outperform 180gr .40 S&W hardcasts in objective testing. Likely due to the differences in meplat geometry but that's an educated guess.You do you and all that but .40 just doesn't make sense to me for a woodsgun. I fell like it's a choice people make when they don't actually do research or are trying to find an excuse to make .40 seem relevant again.
>>65515287.40 with higher weight has less deflection through barriers and performs better against things like auto glass
>>65515316Disco is coming back with bell bottoms
>>65515102Retarded faggot
>>65515361i like bell bottoms because ankle carry
>>65515336we're shooting through auto glass at black bears and bobcats now? what kind of backwoods looney tunes carnival town do you live in?also, that's entirely dependent on a variety of things like bullet geometry and variable sectional density on expansionthe secional density of 147gr 9mm is 0.053 lb/in^2the sectional density of 180gr .40s&w is 0.0514 lb/in^2a hollowpoint 9mm and .40 are going to perform almost the same through barriers and tissue because the inertial mass is not significantly different between them and they have nearly the same sectional densitygenuinely, if you're actually worried about bears, buy a 10mm, drag it through gravel and piss on it so it doesn't look nice and you're not worried about scratching it. .40 has no advantages ballistically on 9mm and the holistic advantage of .40 is that the guns are cheap because no one wants them and that's it. It's a cheap gun and the performance is essentially 9mm, and the reduced capacity is the pound of flesh you trade for carrying .40. It only really made sense for USPSA power factor shit and even then .40 has been dropped like a bastard child for 9mm major >>65515333there's a retroactive rationalization thing where I think if you don't shoot often and don't have a lot of money, a $250 purchase for a functional and reliable gun is an attractive proposition because you'll be spending maybe $100/year on ammo for it, if that. >>65515293pls be in london
I like how every .40 vs 9 debate on /k/ strictly uses generic .40 and super spicy, heavy, special, +P, and/or hard-cast 9mm as the comparison to make whatever argument. >you can also get commercially available +P, heavy, fast, special, or hardcast .40 that will objectively outperform an similar 9mm round per that specific metricI dunno friends. Shoot what you wanna shoot. Carry what you wanna carry. Both are great options for slightly different reasons. For people in a state with capacity restrictions, I think the terminal ballistic comparison is more relevant for the concealed carry market than elsewhere. That's just my two cents. You can like either or both, but saying one is objectively better for everyone or every task is fucking stupid. Personally, I like both. >also like .380, fight me
>>65515428I'm American, I didn't know you lived in England
>>65515428I am not that anon and was merely stating some of .40’s merits you fat cocksucker
>>65515428Yeah that guy wasn’t me. Lick my nuts
>>65515429I like .40 out of a 2011
>>65515429Yeah that was why it kind of makes sense for a cheap throw-in-the bag woods gun.I can just buy some cheap plinking .40 and get similar effectiveness as boutique 9mm.
>>65515464>I can just buy some cheap plinking .40 and get similar effectiveness as boutique 9mm.I mean, you can't, you're buying cheap plinking .40 for 7-10 cents more per round and getting similar performance to cheap plinking 9mm. 124gr nato white box: 537J KE, 25lb-ft/s momentum with sectional density of 0.053 at $0.26 cpr180gr blazer brass: 523J KE, 25lb-ft/s momentum with sectional density of 0.051 at $0.31 cprit's a cheap beater gun but don't gaslight yourself into believing that .40 has any practical advantages over 9mm
>>65510802Exceeded: Rex Zero 1 TacticalShit: Sig P365XL
Two world wars Two tones
>>65515522I like when you break things down like this
Friends don't let friends buy a .40
>>65515461Good shooting. I honestly didn't know they made a 2011 in .40>>65515522This is the most insufferable tripfag.
>>65515522Kek
>>65515630I like LG but they rape me on shipping
>>65515613Father Figure is quickly becoming the best trip. Better than Burt even
>>65515581>Two world wars>Two tonesNow if your name was Tony, that’d be the cherry on top.
LGS has a Norinco 213 (single stack version) on hand for $430. Basically a 9MM Tokarev. Comes with the original leather holster + 2 magsI already have more modern and practical guns like the CZ Shadow 2 Carry.I DON'T NEED IT BUT...it calls to me
>>65515665Shut up father figure, put your trip back on or go back to arfcom.
>>65515429>like how every .40 vs 9 debate on /k/ strictly uses generic .40 and super spicy, heavy, special, +P, and/or hard-cast 9mm as the comparison to make whatever argument.What? You're just making things up at this point. I'm very clearly comparing hardcasts in both. I specified that repeatedly. In an apples to apples comparison of using a hotter and heavier hardcast for both calibers the 9mm outperforms the .40. these backbreaking mental gymnastics you're pulling are really telling.If hardcast .40 outperforms comparable hardcast 9mm then please post your proof.>Inb4 napkin math based claims
>>65515522>hottest 9mm>shittiest .40>acting like pencil dick .355 fmj isn’t gay in itself
>>65510795New job is a pretty non permissive environment and I can't make my px4 work anymore. I'm gonna grab something smaller to start practicing with. Anyone have experience with either a Beretta Nano or an LCR in .327? Never had a snubbie before but I have plenty of DA trigger time.
>>65514511>So B-laxes whipping up on whitey? Hardly seems like proper gay bashingThere are black gays too. In fact there are a lot of them in Atlanta because there are a ton of gays in general there. But yeah they basically were doing everything people say /pol/ wants to do.
>>65515686I'm not FF
>>65515697I got something small you can practice with
>>65515697If I had to pick a gun for maximum concealability and shootability, it's the BG 2.0, no contest. Also, in what world is a PX4 Compat too big but an LCR isn't? The only significant thing the LCR has over the PX4 as far as concealability is weight, they're extremely similar dimension-wise
>>65514547Were they? The one anon obviously won but I thought it looked pretty evenly distributed.
Did Burt and pp anon ever reconcile?I’ve been gone a long time and was hoping they may have rekindled that bond.
>>65514603Plenty of people with nice guns and gear don't shoot.
I'm not father figure (and shitting on tripfags is 4chan culture so I'll allow it) but let's get some proper perspective here. If you like .40 S&W, that's perfectly fine. If you train with it and carry with it, I don't care. But let's not pretend that .40 is some kind of pocket nuke compared to an anemic 9mm. Ballistically and practically, any differences between the two (outside of price and capacity) are essentially insignificant. Personally, I'm racist against .40 users because you're just too much of a bitch to train and carry a .45 ACP, let alone a 10mm, just like how .380fags are too much of a bitch for 9mm.
.30 Super Carry > 9MM > .40 SHORT AND WEAK >>>> .380 ACP
>>65515522I didn't like you at first but I appreciate that you're willing to argue about this stuff with retards. I don't bother anymore so it's good that someone is doing it.
>>65515739What if my conceal carry piece is full-size double stack .45 ACP?
>>65515762.45 AARP only makes sense if you carry .45 Super
>>65515749>t. 9mm fanboy fag
>>65515770>fanboyNo I'm not a fan of it I just recognize it works. I'm a fan of .45 and .44. If you're not going to carry a 9mm carry a big fucker. I hate half measures.
I genuinely don't care if you buy a .40, my primary issue is with the idea that .40 has some kind of hidden advantage and you're getting some thrifty, deadly gun that's 'kinda like 10mm just less recoil' is utter fuddlorethe adoption of .40 was an abortion driven by the limpwristed and they succeeded in giving a 10mm cartridge the performance of 9x19 for a higher cpr. there's a reason that .40 police trade-in guns retail for $100 less than 9mm and that reason is that the performance of .40 does not justify the capacity that it sacrifices unless you're trying to make Major in USPSA, and people shooting USPSA are not buying trade in stock glock 23's, they're using guns like that one anon's infinity>>65515630yeah i conveniently left out the 16 cent 124gr boxer brass 9mm because i wanted the argument to be vaguely fair, so 9mm is still consistently still cheaperi'm not even including 7 cent reman 9mm>>65515696>hot ok quality 9mm is still consistently cheaper than shittiest .40 despite still performing the same
>>65515810>I genuinely don't careYou sure seem to care a lot about other people's opinions here my friend.
>>65515810Didn't ask.
>>6551581040 is almost dead, we are just are frozen in the final frame of its demise. Surplus guns are going out for very low cost, and that stack of 26 cpr ammo is not budging yet. When it's gone, I imagine it's not coming back, but it's been around in this state for a suspicious amount of time.
>>65515866>>65515889Public forum newfags
Dead cartridges like .40, .30 SC and .25/.32 ACP still serves purpose: shilling them signals to me that you have no idea what you're talking about and you can be ignored
>>65515927I like .25 and .32. Signal?
>>65515927Nuclear hot take: it's okay to sometimes shoot things other than 9mm and .22
>>65516043Yes, 556 or 9mm.
>>65516043You talk to pp anon lately?
>>65516043Yes. Like buckshot/slugs and 6.5 cm
>>655161506.5CM isn't even the best 6.5 cartridge
>>65516165You don't own one of those though.
>>65516172Correct. I much rather own .308 WinRAR
>>65516043the less popular parabellum sister is still a good girl
>>65516174This might be the only response I can respect.
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>>65515166>+Pwhy doesn't anyone use stock 9mm in these comparisons?
>>65516188why do I feel like a tranny own this?
>>65516195Because +p 9mm is cheaper than .40
>>65516195Read the thread, I did a comparison for regular 9mm vs .40 as well. I was making a comparison of defensive loads for bear use because the original question stated that their use case was bears and big cats. there is no SAAMI standard for +P .40 or I would compare the two, so I used .40 JHP 180gr and 9mm JHP 147gr +P
>>65516201You're own porn rotted brain probably. Stay off /gif/ and /pol/. /x/ is shit too.
>>65516201well it does look like a tranny's aesthetic
>>65516223Ernest Hemingway, Robert E Howard, Percy Blysse Shelley, and Lord Byron were all proto-trannies.
>>65510802>Exceeded Ruger Security 380>Let downSig P365 Luxe
>>65516201One stuffed animal is a signal. Two stuffed animals is a neon sign.
>>65516225IIRC there were trannies back then but I can only imagine how disgusting that shit was. Modern traps have spoiled me
>>65516232Theodore Roosevelt was also a proto-tranny"Teddy Bear"Teddy was a Bear alright!
>>65516234The Ol' Bull Moose had a softer side when the sun set
>>65516234You can't call a tranny a bear.
>>65516239BullshitSome of them MtF are the size of linebackers!
>>65516239He's larping. He has no true troon knowledge
>>65516246>Having troon knowledge That's a neon sign of a red flag LMAO
>>65516251I fuck trannies yes, and?
>>65516254Christ said it's better to give than to receiveAnd you certainly are no Christian, that narrows down your position now, doesn't it?:^)
>>65516251I do be fuckin trannies in the bathrooms.
>>65516257IDRC tbqh
>>65515683You could grab one on gunbroker for like $275
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>>65516234Few presidents are straighter than Dick Nixon, who received a commemorative WWII 1911 brought into the Oval Office by Elvis Presley, who wanted a narcotics agent badge because he thought it’d make it so that he could bring guns and drugs to other countries
>>65516276Lyndon B Johnson and his Jumbo Johnson > Tricky Dick
>>65516278Dragging journalists into the shitter while you push a fat, stinky rope is pretty chad, I will concede
>>65516228ruger security 380 bros we can't stop winning
