>MP5 editionOther PCCs are welcome I guess
MP5chads still winningSP5 with an A3F stock, Surefire 328LMF handguard, Eotech 558 on an MFI low profile picatinny mount, BFG Vickers SMG sling, clipped and pinned ambi 4 position lower and a Raregreed FRThttps://files.catbox.moe/ptwp3s.mp4Sorry about the angle, my camera setup is pretty jank and I'm not used to trying to record this sort of thing. Seems to be about 850 rpm and I've had 0 issues using the Raregreed FRT with 124 gr Blazer brass with HK, MKE and KCI mags. Tempted to try putting in an 80- or 90-degree locking piece to see if I can get the rof down to 800 but it seems silly to mess with it while it's been 100% reliable
>>65528374Correction, it's a 552. Eotech's got an awful naming scheme
Love my Kuna so far. Few hundred rounds of various bullet weights and shapes through it with no issues.Has a Primay Arms x1 prism scope on it (which I love). The Priamary Arms cantilever high mount looks a little goofy but feels great to look through for height and eye relief. Probably swapping it out for a different mount down the road so the flip up irons can be used through the mount. Pretty low priority though desudesu
>>65528273Sorry guys, this thread is not for me.I'm going to keep intentionally posting in the subgun threads with my PCC to piss off that wankstain who's obsessed with subguns.
>>65528710Careful, he's elderly, you might give him a heart attack.
Got the asd lower with the ss for a zp5. Can't wait to see how it goes.
>>65528643>Love my Kuna so far. Few hundred rounds of various bullet weights and shapes through it with no issues.I'll fully concede that that problems I experienced could easily be attributable to shooting a dirty range whore, but I spent an hour with one of these things, and it literally couldn't make it through a single magazine without a malfunction. Non-stop failure to feeds. Could be just be a poorly maintained range whore, but even before this experience, I trust Springfield about as much as I trust a group of 10 brown people hanging out on a street corner at 3 am.
>>65528273>MP5 editionI really want to build an HK53 for some reason
ill ask here and in frt.I shot a ghm9 with a rare breed frt and it was the most delightful shooting experience ive had in a long time and now I want a frt 9mm gun. I have a brokie boy ap5p already. I am primarily concerned with a headache free frt experience, then actually controllability in full auto, then hollowpoint compatibility. Should I get an frt for my ap5, or should I get a ghm9 and frt that gun? I could be convinced to spend for for an apc9 if it’s actually better under automatic fire, but I prefer the longer boxy tube gun look of the ghm9 to the and tall but stubby lookin apc9 aesthetically. I bought the flat front ap5, so if I want to suppress, I need a new gun anyways
>>65528843The AP5 is hassle free for FRT. Just plug and play.The AP5P is not. You may need to tinker around with not only ammo types, but also locking pieces or other parts.Highly reccomend you look at a normal AP5 in the long run. Because the only thing that's more fun than a MP5 with a FRT is a suppressed MP5 with a FRT.
>>65528763Anons is my optic too high? I was sick of the irons getting in the way, but I feel like it's too much now
>>65528957>too high?It comes down to your personal preference and where you hold the gun in your shoulder and how your eye sees through the optic. If your comfortable with it, stick with it.
My main defense weapons for the night
>>65528989the cat?
>>65528957Clearly too high, I doubt the gun will even fire in that configuration
>>65528992The cat is the deadliest weapon I own
I pick up my CAT MOB on Friday. What are the odds AS designs comes to market with an SEF trigger before FRTs get slapped with more regulations?
>>65528957If it's not absolute cowitness it's absolutely going to get you killed
>>65528273Already stole the Surefire light off the UMP clone to use on a AR sbr but other then that the setups are the same as the pic. RareGreed FRT on the MP5 clone and Rugged suppressor work well together.
>>65528960>>65529003>>65529241Aesthetically though is it too high? Its comfortable enough how it is now. I don't know any picitanny rails that are lower with the same length thoughNeed it or sneed it?
>>65529353Is the rare greed FRT good? I want to wait for the arhk but Idk when it's even supposed to come out.Is it finicky with how much pressure you have to apply on the trigger? My MP5 super safety runs like a champ no matter how hard you clamp down on the trigger
>>65529610It's unironically fucking incredible. If you're ok with buying from them, it is the best thing on the market, unfortunately. I can't get mine to fail with trigger pressure.
>>65529610Raregreed unfortunately won the MP5 FRT market and it's the only one that's been 100% reliable for me. My ASD one was a piece of shit and the ARHK is shaping up to be a piece of shit that you won't be able to get for 6 months
>>65528957with MP5s you either want to be low enough for a full or 1/3 cowitness or high enough to clear the top of the front sight protector from your sight pictures
>>65529603I prefer higher. Love this mount for my AEMS for example. It allows me to get a clean picture both with the irons and optic, and neither gets in the way of the other.
Anyone gotten FRTs to work with Uzis or MACs yet? I've seen someone get one working with a TEC-9.
>>65528960there is a practical application for this gun.
These threads just do more to prove to me that I actually want a full sized mp5. I got the sp5k on a deal that I couldn't pass up, but I'd trade it outright for a sp5 in a heartbeat. Sp5 with collapsible stock and surefire HG is hot as fuck
>>65528273Growing up in the 80's n shit, i appreciate the beauty of the MP5. HOWEVER, like WWWF and pop music, food, powerlifting vs bb, i learned the value of practical vs aesthetic and hype. I tried to deny this, owning several HK weapons because - HK. Well, Beretta 92 is the superior supressor host, Glock 19 is superior 9mm, Banshee 9mm is superior 9mm pcc. Supressed included. MP5 looks is iconic but plastic hoes belong in porn.
>>65530068>no front pinnot a real mp5
>>65530086It's a steel gun that takes steel mags. Hell, the old ones even had the same kind of steel lowers as the G3 rifles had.Here's one that's all steel and wood.Sure, we're in the age of some pretty amazing 5.56mm carbines and ammo, but classic guns can be enjoyed just because you're a free man and it's your privilege. 9mm is cheap, not very loud, and with an MP5 the recoil is super mild, so they're very enjoyable plinkers.With a Fleming Sear or FRT, they can be VERY fun toys.
>>65530105the Navy polymer lowers are my problem. the SEF steels, well, i would honestly jump on a decent deal. i haven't seen or handled one with a steel lower and i do believe that would change my mind. great argument
>>65528989Nice chonker
>>65530086MP5 holds up great. Nothing shoots as well it has amazing recoil. The MP5K is super compact and so easy to shoot.
>>65530567If someone made MP5s and MP5ks with the LRBHO setup from the MP5/10 and MP5/40, I think they'd be a genuinely very competitive option still.
>>65530583Weight would still an issue since its made from steel but I still think no other PCC has truly surpassed it. It is always a compromise.
>>65528273>>65528957>>65530068Ok, we all love the B&T stock, but i hat that it doesnt lock in if folded. do you guys have an ideo how to fix this? It's not a dealbreaker for me, but it would me great if it coult lock in.
>>65530624Non-issue for me since the hinge is stiff and it won't flop open under its own weight. Also, I think the OP's stock is the HK branded UMP stock. The hk one has about an inch or so longer LOP.
>>65528374You have pretty much the exact same build I was planning on doing once I'mdone with this MR556 SBR. How do you like the surefire handguard?
So, is it worth it to bother with a telescoping or folding stock on a home defense PCC?I'm considering selling my Ruger PC Carbine, since the NFA restrictions on SBRs are way lighter now. I'm still deciding on what I want to replace it with, but I know I want to get a stock for it. I'm just not sure if I should even bother with a folding or telescoping stock versus a standard fixed one.
>>65530751I use an A3 stock on my MP5. It was a bit stiff at first, but lubing it up and jerking it for a bit has made it super smooth.
>>65528743>ZP5 I forgot Zenith existed desu. How do you like it? I've been wanting an MP5 clone for a while but don't want to give money to turks and I hear PTR has bad QC.
>>65530751There's upsides and downsides to both. I have never used a telescoping stock but just based on looks, I assume you won't be able to get a good cheek weld but it's more compact than a folder which would stick out to the side. Deployment will also probably be easier due to that
>>65530113The POF made MP5s ship with steel lowers.
>>65529353I always forget about this guy and PCC threads, heh.
>>65531018>POF
>>65530891I've never owned an hk original but the Zenith shoots fine. I still think it's using turk kits because it's listed with the ap5 when you look up as design lowers that uses the super safety. Pic related.
>>65531054I read that they produce everything in house, they just might be using the same blueprints or whatever that the turks use. I would trust American manufacturing and quality more than turks (except for PTR)
>>65531036>I like displaying my ignorance on the subject for all to seeNoted.
I think I want to get a Kriss Vector.I've always been fond of the Vector, and now that FRTs exists and I no longer need to worry about form 1, I want to get one in 10mm.
>>65531171No one's gonna buy jeet guns buddy.
>>65529603>Aesthetically thoughWho cares, you stupid brownoid? Does it WORK WELL for you? Can you SEE THROUGH THE OPTIC well without changing how you hold the gun? Fucking retards, I swear...
>>65528989>Redditar 9
>>65528757>dirty range whoreI'm sure that's what it was. Also, early Kunas had poor magazines. Newer ones are redesigned with steel feed lips.
>>65530113Surplus G3 SEF trigger housings are readily available and convert to AP5 SEF trigger housings in about 5 minutes with a grinder or cut-off wheel.
>>65531054Zenith used to import MKEs but they fucked up their arrangement and lost the contract due to fallout over an Obama-era ammo deal. Now they bend their own. That stuff fits MKE and Zenith because it has a front pin like a proper MP5 not a shelf like a nu-HK or PTR.
H&R 635 with an AZ Regular a good idea?
>>655320759mm ARs are very finicky with FRTs. There's a good guide here https://blowback9.wordpress.com/2026/05/09/easy-frt-9mm-ar/Otherwise, go nuts
>>65532088I meant to link the sites main page and not that specific article
Anyone have experience with the Stribog in 45 AARP?Was looking into that or a GHM45
>>65528273From the thumbnail in the catalog I thought you stacked a rmr on your pro.
>>65532088Ty anon. I was asking because the guy who sells the AZR had a video of him blasting away with a 9mm carbine, but didn't appear to be Colt SMG spec.
>>65532018>Zenith used to import MKEs but they fucked up their arrangement and lost the contract due to fallout over an Obama-era ammo deal.Nah. MKE was sending subpar MP5s to Zenith that were obviously QC rejects. Then a MKE exec tried to sell Zenith the technical data package and tooling to make their own MPT rifles (Turkey's latest combat infantry rifle) which Zenith turned around and told the authorities resulting in arrests. MKE tried to extort money from them first with an unpaid ammo deal that Zenith had nothing to do with and then they tried to sue Zenith in US courts saying Zenith was the one seeking to buy the MPT tech specs (MKE lost that court case and owned Zenith $700k). tl;dr: Roaches were underhanded scum and Zenith refused to play their games.
>>65532075From what I understand, after 10” you lose any benefits to a longer barrel. When I was a cop, these 16” carbines were all the rage though, with SWAT, DEA, etc. having the SMG. I like the Colt mags.
>>65532365They made a massive ammunition import deal in the expectation of 8 years of Hillary and then tried to back out as soon as that didn't happen.
>>65532380With 9mm, you start seeing the beginnings of diminishing returns after 10", though it's not so sharp of a falloff that you can't see any further benefit from more. Longer barrel does still increase velocity some, and it also means more complete powder burn and less blast from the muzzle (for what little blast 9mm has), so the longer a 9mm carbine barrel gets, the less noisy they are.That said, 16" barrels for 9mm carbines exist for legal reasons only, 10" to 12" is more than long enough for all 9mm carbine purposes. If there was no NFA, all 9mm AR carbines would have this kind of length.
>>65528374How is the safety selector feel?>>65528763Swap an RCM 300blk barrel into an AP53>>65528876>AP5P is notSource? If you're just talking about locking piece degree tuning... no big deal IMO>>65529625>can't get mine to fail with trigger pressurebased
>>65532382You can literally read Zenith's side of whole story.>https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/12/03/zenith-firearms-cuts-ties-with-mke-new-product-launch-in-2021/They didn't backout of anything and MKE repeatedly fucked them over with and without meaning to do so.
>>65532380I know, that is why I want it with the longer barrel. I love the weird stuff that was on the market in the 70-80s. The only thing I am seeing that I might have to do from the wordpress they posted is find a heavier bolt for it since Colt made their bolts too light and their velocity is like 23% faster than a 5.56 AR and I am curious how close PSA/H&R stuck to the OG weight of the bolt.
>>65532110Got one of the stribogs in 45. Haven't shot it a ton yet but it's been decent enough. The factory mags are ass so you'll need to find some UMP mags and deal with the tight fitting.
>>65532556I guess that explains why current meeting ap5s are affordable. They just need to move product to generate profits to cover their legal expenses that resulted from their failed crimes. All that really proves is what we all already knew. They've been overcharging for mp5 and mp5 clones by hundreds if not thousands.
>>65533225*current mke* auto correct changed it to meeting the kike nigger, and it just changed kike to like twice!
>>65533229How often do you have to say kike and nigger for autocorrect to do that
Recently finished my Vector build. I love her so much, has been running pretty flawlessly with both the 40rd mag extensions and standard Glonk mags. 147grs will probably be my go-to 9mm ammo.Also the Braun light for $45 can't be beat holy shit.
I should file to sbr my PM63 today.
>>65533287I've really been wanting one but I hear they're really dirty and require maintenance pretty often. What's your experience been like?
>>65533301I've got about 2k-ish rounds through and I shot some really nasty 115gr el cheapo ammo at first. The gun ran fine but the ammo was clearly dogshit with some being pretty low powered and having issues with extraction. The 147gr Remington ammo runs flawlessly and isn't that dirty, despite shooting her suppressed. Maybe the older gens of the Vector had issues but so far mine has been running great, with and without a suppressor. It may just be fuddlore exaggeration but she doesn't run any worse or dirtier than an MP5.The only thing I would advise is don't run the bolt dry. I use Slip2k EWL on mine as it's recommended by Kriss themselves.
>>65533238My tin foil hat theory is that auto correct is actually designed to introduce spelling and syntax errors, so it's hard to say
>>65533300With digits like that, hell yeah
Reposting
>>65532400My understanding is you do get more velocity but after 10” or so it can cause bonded JHP’s separate due to the max speed. I keep 147 gr in mine but these might be good for those 16”ers.
Just found out that cmmg released a fixed ejector version/fix for their AR9s. Are there any other issues that cropped up since they fixed the big one?
>>65532556>You can literally read Zenith's side of whole story.We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing?
>>65533287>Also the Braun light for $45 can't be beat holy shit.Thanks for the recommendation.
>>65533777MKE lost their court case against Zenith so your edgy reply makes zero sense to anyone with a higher than room temperature IQ.
>>65530891Zenith is pretty based for selling "single shot" version of the zp5 so CA people can buy them from certain shops.
>>65534120How do you make a blowback action "single shot"?
>>65534176.25 ACP barrel liner inside the 9mm barrel, special .25ACP bolt, and "permanently fixed" single shot magazine.
How were your guys AP5s? Any break in problems? I have a AP5m and it took a break in and the ejector swap to get it working. Now I got a FRT in it and its once again failing to extract every other mag.Not looking for answers on my problems, just if you fullsizes worked good, I read they do. I want a nice supressor 9m host.
>>65534210My AP5 has worked perfectly out of the box since I bought it in 2021, with MKE magazines and cheap FMJ.
>>65534210What mags are you using and what degree locking piece?
>>65528989cute cat
>>65534210All of mine have ran well.
>>65534611can you add a fixed stock to them? sorry I've never own one
>>65534620Yeah, I used the original end cap from the AP53 and put a G3 stock on it. It will work on the AP53 and AP5. I've never seen a fixed stock for the AP5P/mp5k but I also haven't looked.
>>65534626a guy at my range call them "crude made", but man, they look great
Also, A2 stock on MP5 is max comfy.
>>65532075I just did this build today and it fucks. Wild timing for you to ask. There is a hang up with the bolt though. If you death grip the trigger, you can get it to lock up. I'd assume this is something to do with the BCG not being "ramped" enough. I'm running a Colt 6951 upper that has been shortened to 10.5 from Black Ankle munitions, with a Faxon 9 BCG that I trimmed the bolt weight in to let it fit the AZR, on top of am H&R 635 lower, A5 buffer tube, and FM9 RMB. It runs great, but it does have that hiccup that you can induce, and I ran into one light primer strike when releasing the bolt on a new mag. It's not perfect, but its a fucking awesome range toy.
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>>65530748I think it's the most efficient way of attaching a flashlight to an MP5 without making it a heavy pig. It's got a little bit of play if I push the back of it but besides that it's pretty good. I can get a direct thread Rugged Obsidian 9 on it too>>65532505Decent I'd say. I wish it was as big as the stock SP5 selector but that's my only complaint. Better than most AR selectors really
>>65534735the gap is comically small but it fits
>>65534639ty for the info. Kinda answers what I was hoping to find out, doesn't sound like it is a simple plug-n-play the way I was hoping it would be.
>>65533325Done, also submitted a form 1 for the Uzi.
bump
My basic bitch Evo. Got it for decent price thanks to a sales drive, spent ~3 EUR on trigger upgrade and despite initial concerns it's been dead reliable on a steady diet of cheapest factory 9 Luger I can get.Like the mags, like the sights (have a 1x prism ready for it though), dislike the sling loop placement, general wobbliness and the fact it will probably explode if I ever get an OOB cartridge detonation.
>>65537727
Think I will buy a Zenith as my next gun. Gonna wait for a blem since theyre only around 1300ish
I recently bought a Strike Industries Bravo Chassis for my Springfield Echelon.I'm going to be putting a stock on it, but I was hoping for some suggestions.What do you think would work best for something like this?
>>65534554The locking piece it came with(one jam every other mag) it looks like 100 but hard for me to tell, I tried an 80 and it jammed 5 shots in a row and I called it for that one. I still have a 120 to try out next. I have all MKE mags, and one HK 20 rounder. Next time ill jsut try the 20rounder over and over.
>>65534633I love the wide forgrip.
>>65539416Does it jam in semi auto fire as well or just FRT? Maybe an issue with the FRT trigger? Im using a AP5P with an HK ejector and have never had an issue, I use MKE mags as well.
>>65528273Convince me not to get an SP5 with a cuck brace
>>65539343Just stick with the strike ind brace.
>>6554029414 hours in and no response. I'm sure you know what you must do.
Would it be completely retarded to cut this loop off and sand down? Gunmagwarehouse sent me a 4 position stock instead of the 2 position stock in the picture and I don’t mind other than this stupid loop and the polymer protective cap. Is there a metal alternative?
>>65528301If you're a man that's going to dress up as an anime girl to shoot guns at least lose enough weight so that your fat isn't jiggling all around you mannish shoulders at full auto. It's just sad
>>65542185Mug is female
So, I understand that PCCs almost always have a longer barrel than a handgun, but what does that really mean in practice? Will the added barrel length give the bullet a discernible difference in damage? How much harder is it to sweep your house with a PCC than with a handgun? Which handgun caliber gets the most improvement out of a longer barrel?
>>65542766Longer barrel = more time for gas pressure to accelerate bullet.More time for gas pressure to accelerate bullet = bullet go faster.Bullet go faster = more betterer and gooder damage (generally).
>>65542766PCCs are bigger but have more points of contact and are far easier to put lights, suppressors, and optics on. Plus suppressed PCCs are better than a suppressed handgun (generally) because my glock 19 with a can has me feeling like a jew in the 40s
>>65535757Holy fuck 4 days.
>>65545779Nice, enjoy your Jewzi in its intended circumcised form, make sure to get a bayonet for it as well. Has anyone made an FRT for them yet?
>>65528273Would anyone be interested in a modern version of those 80s era flashlight/sight combos? Seems like it could be a fun project
should I just go with a rare greed frt for my sp5k or wait for the arhk? I hate how the selector looks with the arhk but heard there's some issues like trigger slap (an anon in the frt general told me it's a non issue) and non tactile feeling selector switching for the rare greed
>>65546533Me personally, I'm waiting for the ARHK before I give Rage Greed Niggers a single penny. I would imagine ASD will eventually come out with nicer looking selectors that don't have a screw in the middle (source: it came to me in a dream). I also don't care about that screw and find it funny that so many people do. I don't even notice that kind of stuff unless someone points it out.
>>65546848They're going to release a stealth selector for their arcfire, so I think they're going to do the same for the arhk eventually
>>65542766> Which handgun caliber gets the most improvement out of a longer barrel?44 magnum is basically an intermediate cartridge out of a rifle length barrel
>>65546498Barrel is in the mail, idk about frt's, haven't looked into them. Last time I looked at bayonets they were more than I wanted to spend. Really need to find a way to prevent the front sling point from swiveling 360°. Also need files to work on the pm63 stock.
>>65531175Be aware that the 10mm ones can have OOBs, apparently with aftermarket mags
>>65547868
>>65551308Nice.
>>65542403>Brett CooperWho the fuck names a girl Brett? I graduated with a dude who was named Brett Cooper.
will I get kicked from a USPSA match if I use a stocked C96 as a PCC?
>>65551308So iconic. Makes me wish ammo was cheap im sure its fun to let rip
>>65538751I just bought one of these, and my supressor finally shipped the other day.I will soon own one of these ghetto gats
>>65551372I can't imagine why you would (especially given that it's mostly inferior for the role to even something as cheap and simple as a Hi-Point), but literally ask the organizers.
>>65528273I have an sp5 that I was planning on selling, basically I'm just keeping one gun. should I do that or sell my ar 15 and keep the mp5. its like having to choose between two kids. which is more practical to own
>>65553549My answer will depend on how much you're gonna sell the SP5 for
>>65542403>Mug is female
>>65542159It's just plastic. Go for it.
>>65553549Sell me the SP5. I want one but won't sell my AR to fund it since I think those are more versatile and reliable long term (parts availability/cost), though very boring. Anyway, I'd keep the AR.
>>65553690Yes and you would know this if you had been on /k/ prior to autumn of 2016
>>65554528>literally who trannytrip when boof and drake were still postinglol! If you keep dick riding he might send you a pair of stained panties
>>65554432if you're serious I can do that
>>65554554I have no physical motives to post Mug, she's someone's mother after all. Upsetting you however is its own reward.
>>65555200Ok, Neil.
>>65553140Ruger should bring these and the camp45 for a limited run, the funniest option would be in 10mm
>>65555299They aren't particularly good by modern standards and they already have their carbines, at most they could make some wood stocked versions of those and in some more calibers.
>>65555318Correct, they should also do a limited run of 10/22s that they call the marlin 60 reboot, for fun
>>65555324Why would it be worth their time to start making a tube fed version?
>>65555330A lot of old 10/22s are already tube fed and also this would be purely gimmick nostalgia bait for fun
>>65555200Lmao I hope that isn't true for real. Imagine being adopted and groomed by some tranny wastoid.
>>65555332>A lot of old 10/22s are already tube fedyou fucking what mate?
>>65555332>A lot of old 10/22s are already tube fedI have never fucking seen one of those, ever. If that ever existed it must have been some kind of prototype.
>>65555337>>65555336Vendors on gunbroker either lied or I can’t read, might be both tbqh
>>65555339You thinking of the Marlins?
>>65554654I doubt I could afford an actual HK right now. Currently saving and hoping black friday will make up for my lack of funds.
>>65555334Mugi is a biological female you mind broken freak. You're thinking of Flanders, a cross dresser who became a tranny.
>>65553549>basically I'm just keeping one gunWhy? If you part with your MP5 you'll regret it. Obviously an AR is the most practical gun you can own, but MP5s are an absolute joy and by no means incapable firearms. I'm a turbo gunsoomer myself, but if I were forced to pair down and kept only three guns for the rest of my life, they'd be an AR, an MP5, and a 9mm handgun.
>>65555297I'm not Neil
>>65555765>9mm handgunWhich one though
>>65556967Probably a Glock 45.
>>65528273What's the best brace for an sp5 or clone? I like the magpul or SB tactical so far but neither seem to have a sling point on them.
>>65557737I thought the magpul has one on the very end.
>>65557737>braceNFA is dead (in select states and assuming you'rea GOA member, though theres no way to prive/enforce that) just put a stock on it
>>65557777>>65557788Witnessed.
I carry pic related and want a PCC for shits and gigs. Does anyone know of any options besides a Hi-Point carbine?
>>65558165I think you may have forgotten to specify your question. This thread is full of PCC options.
>>65557395Nice, they are pretty great.
>>65530068CLIPPED ANDPINNED
>>65558165Did a fucking bot make this post or something
>>65555200>I have no physical motives to post MugExcept the motivation in your pants, chaser.
>>65558352>>65558395Sorry for the low effort post. I carry a Bodyguard 2.0 in .380 ACP. I have several .22s, shotguns, and rifle caliber long guns but I don't stock any 9mm because I don't own any firearms in 9mm. I'd like a longgun in .380 to plink with. I was wondering if anyone knew of any PCCs chambered in .380 ACP other than the Hi-Point 3895. I've seen snippets of AR uppers in .380 online, but link I've found goes to dead website from like 10 years ago. >What I'm really hoping for is that some company starts making De Lisle carbines with all this NFA stuff that's been going on lately and that they'd offer a chambering in .380
>>65558444pic not related, but I know that Spanish Destroyer carbines were made in 9mm largo which I've looked at, but that seems like a bitch to try to rechamber one in .380 but it would almost be what I'm looking for without an integrated suppressor.
>>65538751She's beautiful, who makes these?Who are the good mp5 cloners? My lgs has a Century SD(fake suppressor, will replace). Another lgs has a few pistol mp5s with the broom handle.
Are there any 10mm PCCs that take steel or aluminium mags while also having a metal lower? I'm trying to figure out how to make a more classic looking big brother for my vz61. No luck with mags for the stribog, 10mm mp5 uses polymer mags (and is a bit out of my price range), and a mechtech is straight blowback. Converting grease gun mags for an ar seems to be the only option I can find.
>>65558387C&Ps are pretty obvious due to the "pin" placement and everybody can tell it's a C&P anyway because it still says READ OWNER'S MANUAL GUN FIRES WITHOUT MAGAZINE on the side. It's better for the SP5 fags to own it with the "you must be poor" retort rather than try to hide it with a shoddy C&P.
>>65558165>>65558444I just saw the second post saying long gun but I was going to say there are 380acp Mac11 uppers/barrels out there.
>>65558444There was a company presenting a little pump-action .380 pistol/shorty carbine at the Shot Show, looked almost like a pirate gun...
>>65558485Check out PPS-43 mags. They can feed 9 Luger, 7,62 Tok and .45 ACP, might work with 10 Auto too.
>>65558539Yeah those are by Tippmann. I suppose you could now put a stock on one with the NFA shit going away and they do look kinda neat. I already own a .380 barrel taken off of a Hi-Point carbine and I've got an uncle who's a retired machinist. .380 is a fairly low powered cartridge, it wouldn't be impossible to make some sort of cludged together bolt action single shot out of some steel.
>>65557737Collapsable tailhook mod1c.
>>65558657Apparently there were no plans for a stocked version because the pistol is what daddy Tippmann wanted and designed (well, reverse engineered) to make back in the day and all little tipp did was bring the gun to market. They said that they did very little to prepare the design for 'mass production', but they don't expect it to be a big seller either. I imagine that will change if there's enough interest in it.
>>65558992It's a neat little thing, and I understand why they have an MSRP of $800 on it but it's not something I think I'd buy. Someone who was good at woodworking could probably carve a shoulder stock that extended out from the pistol grip on it and have it as a weird little SBR. After doing some google I found a South American company called Enterbras that makes (or made?) carbines chambered in .380 for due to fucky gun laws down there. Actually finding one here in the US would be unlikely though. Seems like they made ARs and M1 Carbine clones chambered in it. Chiappa makes the M1-9 which from everything I've seen is a piece of shit and wouldn't be worth trying to rechamber, so I wonder how bad a purpose built M1 Carbine clone would be even if the form factor would almost be what I'm wanting. Still think a little bolt action would be neat tho
>>65558543Interesting, thanks anon, you sent me down a whole rabbit hole, on the lookout for an old pps43 ar15 magwell adapter now.
Something I've been working on, modified mac 11 upper and bolt, stribog lower, printed trunnions and SCS plates. I have it feeding and a working lrbho. I have to adjust the trunnions then on to function testing. Cool part is every individual piece is available shipped to your door. If you want to drop $600 on a one-off, the trunnions can be ordered as well.
>>65558165>>65558444vz61
>>65558657Oh yeah, did those things ship yet? They seem like a fun little Just Because kind of gun.
I remember (I think it was) PSA showing off a weapon that looked like a knockoff MP9, but I cannot find it anywhere on their website.
>>65560083Whoah that's awesome>>65560622Cancelled by PSA, they decided it was too much effort.
>>65561048Which is hilarious because tons of people want it and it would've sold like hotcakes. But I guess it might've been too expensive for the average PSA customer
>>65560083Heh. Took me a second.
>>65561303Took you a second what? This is where it started
>>65561356Why anyone would do it. Im a little slow. Nice work.
>>65561442The upper and lower aren't FFL items, the parts to combine them can be ordered from send cut send without raising any flags. Basically an expensive way to get a gun without a 4473 or actually manufacturing anything yourself and I did it because I could.
>>65558432>motivation in your pantsIncorrect, revenge is my only desire.
Looks retarded, but is more fun and reliable than it has any right to be whatsoever. God bless the FRT.
>>65553549>basically I'm just keeping one gunTell your bitch wife or girlfriend to shove it
>>65562351Which frt setup?
>>65561539How is that lower not an FFL item? 80%er?
>>65562433No, for stribogs the upper is the serialized part and the legal firearm. I hesitate publishing the files because I think it might lead to a reclassification and fuck over other people's business.
>>65562440Interesting
>>65562427RareGreed, but it seems to be one of the more robust designs which I think is probably important for a delayed blowback action. Running a Super 42 spring and H2 buffer plus the LAW extension plug which takes it close to H3, runs both supers and subs that way, could probably be tuned up or down.
>>65562466So then thats not a 22lr magazine? I guess CMMG uses the same looking design for other calibers?
>>65555756>Mugi is a biological female you mind broken freak.You can post this another million times. It won't make it true.
>>65562485Correct this is a 9mm Banshee RDB upper, a poor(ish) man's MP5K.
>>65562507Hadn't really thought of it prior is there a consensus on which works better for 9 mm out of AR? AR or Glock style? Would assume with your setup could simply swap your upper back to 5.56
>>65562551Mags that is.
>>65562551Sample of one but I really like the CMMG RDB setup that uses these full size AR mags, gear compatibility and muscle memory is exactly the same as a 556 gun so you can actually train with it. I have 3 different versions, the CMMG one in the pic along with Pmags converted using the Mean Arms Endo inserts and Mean's 40 round Exo mags, all runs flawlessly. And yes you can drop any AR upper on there, in fact this gun was originally built for a 300Blk upper 10 years ago that still sees some use.
>>65562872Very cool
Wood stock on Uzi is so much better than the folder. Too bad the folder wins on looks.
>>65563152Get a bayonet for it and it'll look great.
For the vz61, what is more optimal, optic mount on the rear of receiver or the optic mount that basically sits right above the barrel? I'm new to PCCs (and don't have rifle experience) so input is appreciated.
