I mean, you either die or you don't

>>65528870
>Is this normal?
No, but neither are the conditions that led them to not flinch.

>>65528870
Yeah. Fragmentation moves so fast that you'd be dead before your eyes could translate what you saw into useful information so flinching does no good.

>>65528870
Yeah.
You either get over the fear or it breaks you, there's no middle ground.

>>65528895
this is exactly how it is
the fat shits claiming that's normal get panic attack when their mobility scooter sudenly dies in Walmart, but try to look tough here are absolute cringe

>>65528870
>I don't care
Damn. That's both hardcore as fuck and also a bad fucking tell how brutal these years have been on the guys on the front line.

>>65528870
Yeah I think that's pretty bad if you're just not giving a fuck about explosions right in front of you
Some next level PTSD

>>65528961
If shells are bursting right in front of you, there's nothing "post" about what you are going through

>>65528961
it is what it is

>>65528961
You giving a fuck about the explosion is not going to save you

>>65528870
>Ukranian veterans don't even flinch at incoming explosions anymore. Is this normal?
They're probably so exhausted that their reactions are dulled.

>>65528870
Ignoring danger is a telltale sign of combat stress. Seeing that they are carrying a casualty away with relative leisure, hopefully they can get some R&R

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>>65529035
it proofs that russia is not weak but in fact very stronk

>>65529035
>what causes this
Way too much time spent in a war zone.
>implications
Lots of tramatized men will need help.

duh

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@65529035
Do you want the (you)? Only good boys get a real (you), and you need to work harder than that if you really want it.
>>65529076
It's obvious bait, anon. Watch him bring up some random shit like Iran in this thread about Ukraine and combat stress reactions.

>>65528870
That's not normal. But neither are those men

>>65528870
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFzEA7ZAfZQ

what does being hard do when you get hit with artillery?

IIRC combat units will a threshold where they start to become less effective after "X" amount of hours in combat. First saw this articulated in the book "Band of Brothers". Easy Company got close to this threshold as they kept getting tossed into the front line. Other units had it worse ofc.
>>65529035
Maybe it's the nature of the war. Russia/Ukies are on homeground so to speak. They know the lay of the land, as horrific as drone warfare is -- they know who/what they're fighting for.
Let's compare to the U.S.'s imperial projects in Afghanistan (abandoned after 20 years) and Iraq. In a foreign culture/climate getting hit by multiple IEDs as you drive around in a convoy or patrol waiting to be attacked.

>>65529035
The American vets came home from the war while the Russian/Ukrainian vets are still in it. We probably won't see the long term damage until after the war is over.

>>65529141
If you're hard enough, the shell bounces off and makes a BOING sound

>>65528961
how is it post traumatic if its currently happening?

>>65529141
You just fucking tank it like a savage and tourniquet your body back together like a sea star

>>65529076
>Lots of tramatized men will need help.
It's cruel to say, but society is better off never trying to reintegrate them. They're broken forever. Cursed and sacred. They should be considered already dead.

Give them infinite weapons and a free cart to go nuts in whatever remains of the russian federation once it implodes. Let them hunt until they find quiet.

>>65528961
I had plenty of issues going downhill from mountain hiking untill one day I realised going downward and snapping my neck in freak accident on the trail could end my life quickly and shameless. Since this enlightenment I'm pretty good and fast from going downhill so I know how those men feels.

>>65529198
>anon discovers combat fatigue circa
>>65529255
We can tell your mom gave up on you if this is the level of trolling that satisfies you.
You can write and read english probably. You can go get therapy. Figure out something.for your abandonment issues

>>65529274
>Since this enlightenment I'm pretty good and fast from going downhill so I know how those men feels.

No you don't. And neither do I.

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>Let them hunt until they find quiet
Huh?

Yeah they're desensitized as fuck.
I saw some ukie vid where they finally rotated some guys out and they had been on the line for at least a year. IIRC one for most of the war. Bad shit happens holding an objective when you don't care if you live or die.

>>65528870
It's well enough known that we've seen this sort of thing depicted in old US war movies where the newb is flinching at everything and the veteran is walking around like nothing is going on despite some shelling and nobody needed it explained.

>>65529296
I love breasts.

>>65528870
It's not like as if there's time to react. What exactly is spazzing out after the explosion supposed to achieve? Everybody knows doing so would be a deliberate and conscious reaction to a threat that has already passed. I'm sure the dumb faggots who watch too many movies and think freaking out is normal get it beaten out of them by those who are tired of their histrionics. Also they're carrying someone on a stretcher, it's usually considered bad form to drop an injured person just because you're a drama queen.

>>65528870
Being blown up is genetic at this point they don't care.

>>65528931
most people who've been blown up are very against it

>>65528870
Is this too small to be arterially? If it was arty the would here it incoming and take cover.

>>65528870
It's a normal reaction in a war where it's BUZZZZZZZZZZ*ded*
Not waves of enemy or tank assaults or any of that mostly it's just BUZZZZZZZZ*ded*

Both countries will be fucked up for decades dealing with veterans. Hopefully Europe will help Ukraine in that regard. I bet a lot of them will got to the middle east or wherever there is a conflict as mercenaries. Russia will be worse because their go to treatment for everything is just drink more vodka.

>>65529295
god you’re so fucking cool, I hope I can be like you when I grow up

This war is breeding a generation of serial killer and rapists that will be unleashed on their societies

>>65529384
Is that the default setting for slavs?

There's alot of
>Concern
posting going on in this thread...

>>65529255
These veterans are going to be the leaders of Ukraine. Who’s going to take charge of Ukraine when all this is over? The fags and liberals who ran away and valued their own lives over their nation? No. It will be men like those in the Azov Brigade. Tough, right-wing men with traditional values, who reject the hypocrisy of liberalism and are willing to fight for their nation.

>>65529145
I cannot find the source but I recall it was an Osprey book.
It talked about levels of experience and risks taken.
Fresh troops were generally the biggest risk takers because they obviously had not experienced combat and didn't understand its lethality.
Middle tier experienced were actually the least likely to take risks. After seeing their first tastes of battle it made them extremely gun shy.
The last group was the experienced troops who had moderate risk takes. It was because they knew what could and couldnt be gambled reasonably.

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>>65529510
>says this from his parents basement

>>65529339
>Hopefully Europe will help Ukraine in that regard
I doubt Ukraine would want Europe’s idea of “help” in that regard

>>65529296
ngl, I'd've respected Kojima a lot more if he just came out and said this >>65529323 when asked about Quiet.

>>65529565
I can't stand anything about Kojima's writing, him being a pussy too is just the icing on the cake.

>>65529529
I live in Kyiv, my retarded brown friend

>>65528870
I wonder how many Ukraine war vets are gonna be as fucked up as WW1 vets were when they came back.
Idk if anything will come close to what 24/7 artillery shelling will do to a mf but 24/7 drone buzzing can't be too far off from "you have to walk with a hobble because of how fucked up your brain got through stress" like https://youtu.be/IWHbF5jGJY0?t=52

>>65528987
>>65529198
Yes it is, dumbass. Their lack of reaction is literally just because this is happening post trauma.

The fuck do you think the words even mean?

>>65529596
post trauma means after the trauma, not during it

>>65529598
No shit, sherlock, I just said that.

You cannot read, can you?

>>65529604
...which was the point i was trying to make in my previous post which you seemed to have a problem with

>>65529384
>>65529386
>>65529401
>babby's first glimpse of the "boom" in post-WWII serial killers
Teaching people to "other" their fellow humans while teaching them to kill, all mixed with the mind-warping horrors of sustained intense combat, has always been a breeding ground for serial killers and mass murderers. In every society and culture.
The truly terrible part is that it's often one or even two generations removed, where dad/grandad nurtures incredibly violent sadism in their children/grandchildren. Sorry Billy, you were destined for a normal life of blissful obscurity, but now you'll be infamous for your horrific crimes because dad couldn't deal with his demons and raised a monster instead. Or dad killed mom and himself in front of you. Or grandpa usher you and/or dad into the family trade (secretive rape and murder). Ex cetera.

Face it: war is fun to discuss in or abstract terms, but it is the singularly most vile and horrible thing humans inflict on one another. The human mind was simply not designed to withstand the immense psychological pressures that sustained, unrelenting trauma that modern industrial warfare brings. So many of those who come home never actually come home.

>>65529035
Anon, in true Slav fashion, they'll get drunk and physically abuse their families, just worse than regular slav men

>>65529609
Read, retard.

>>65529578
>Kyiv
Literally safe space the city

>>65529339
As the saying goes, for many soldiers the war never stops even after the disarmament and peace treaty. Many get accustomed to the endorphin rush and high awareness state of combat, one reason why reintegration can be difficult for a nervous system wired to expect the very worst shtf events and immediately fly into action.
Peace can be mistaken as a threat, for it bears resemblance of a lull before a storm. Makes one suspicious and when nothing happens, then they make something happen as they can't stomach the quietude anymore.

>>65528870
It's like anything. The more you're exposed to the sensation the better your body is at handling it.

First time I was shot at, it was the most intense experience I have ever felt. To be honest, the adrenalin dump was so intense I can barely remember it and it's true that time does seem to slow down.

Second time it was still very intense but I handled it waay better. Still the huge adrenalin dump and still the physiological effects but none of the mental effects. I was pretty clear headed through out.

There was no third time because I started stealing ducks at night. Whomever said the ones at the park are free is a fucking lair.

>>65529620
you seem upset

>>65528898
ye but it's an involuntary reflex
so that's not why they don't flinch
that's just habituation

>>65529645
kek

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Is it true people get erections in combat? Feel like it's something we'd hear about a lot given how dick-centric society is

>>65529773
Did you know you can get an erection at pretty much any time?

>>65529592
On the bright side, mental trauma is arguably easier to fix than blast related brain trauma.. which pretty much cant be fixed. Some edgy anon mentioned setting them loose in Russia after the war. Someone properly philanthropic could maybe retrain and employ soldiers in reconstruction and demilitarisation. All the wrecks, uxos, building etc. there's gonna be so many fucking filled in craters and trenches with corpses that future generations will find. And not just soldiers, I remember some horrible webms of civilian corpses being dumped into mass graves early on. Theres gonna be a fucking reckoning, a wrath that's going to rival israels post-ww2 lust for revenge. Perhaps these former soldiers can be given something like that to focus on.

>>65528870
https://youtu.be/Sqz5dbs5zmo?si=cJgeNieHApH4qJlI

>>65529786
This is true. I used to get boredom boners a lot in high school.

>>65528870
They used to call that "shell shock" anon. Ukies aren't the fucking Green Lantern or whatever, they're just traumatised.

>>65529866
>in reconstruction and demilitarisation
Reconstruction, yes. Why the fuck would Ukraine ever demiliatarize though?

>>65529919
Anon, unless the entire world starts buying Ukrainian drones (which are cheaply made and easily imitated) after the war, then their industry will have to find something benign to do for money.

The country is not just their ministry of defense.

>>65529035
Twofold thing:
From what I've read, one of the big drivers of PTSD is a lack of separation between wartime danger and peacetime safety. Insurgent conflicts like Afghanistan are particularly bad, because essentially nothing happens other than you can randomly die from lack of hypervigilance. Ukraine isn't an insurgent conflict, it's a near-total peer war for national survival, you know where the enemy is coming from, what he looks like, and how to retaliate. That clarity provides at least some relief from the set of behaviors and brain activity that induce PTSD.

However, working against that are the vague frontlines, incredible range, lethality and lack of warning that modern weapon systems bring to bear. There's really not that much difference between hitting an IED you didn't see or getting splatted by a supersonic artillery shell pitched from like 30km away. It's probably just going to be like WWI and II, the guys who get a really bad case of PTSD are going to go home, lead really awful lives, and then die over the next few decades of technically unrelated causes. The only benefit is that there's likely to be more social support and a better understanding of PTSD and traumatic mental conditions in 2027+ than there was back in 2003.

>>65530000
Nice digits and well said

>>65529615
>"other" their fellow humans while teaching them to kill
As if this wasn't just normal life throughout the overwhelming majority of homo sapiens history. Hunter-gatherer bands had insane levels of inter-band violence, we've literally evolved to "other" our fellow men at the drop of a hat.

They're all high as fuck on mephedrone. Probably feels good when the explosion goes off but you gotta act normal and not let anyone know you're rolling hard so you pretend to be a robot.

I just assumed they were drunk.

>>65530000
One of the deciding factors for PTSD developing is the lack of feelings of agency. It's why it was so bad in WWI and amongst rape victims.

>>65530174
That makes a lot of sense. 'Everything around me is constantly exploding, sometimes the air is deadly and on occasion there's even someone with a rifle in the other trench' is a kind of danger where you may as well be rolling dice. There's always an aspect of that in war of course, but it's random and entirely uncaring beyond most war.

I can't imagine the trenches, drones, artillery and glide bombs make Ukraine a whole lot nicer a place to be in that regard. No gas at least, so humanity has actually demonstrated the ability to put at least one genie back in the bottle.

>>65529255
>It's cruel to say, but society is better off never trying to reintegrate them. They're broken forever. Cursed and sacred. They should be considered already dead.
This level of inhumanity should get you stripped of personhood and blended.

>>65529255
>send a million men to their potential deaths for your interests
>some of them come back traumatised
>kill them, too
And you believe this model is sustainable?

>>65528870
>Is this normal?
Yep, its completely normal where they are and after a while you just sort of shrug it off as being part of your environment like people driving cars, going down to the shops and off to work which is normal for most people's day to day lives.
During someone else's day to day they also move around risks, don't kick the neighbours pitbull, stay away from the cat lady in the SUV, keep an eye on any niggers. Its the same when you're in a conflict zone, don't kick the landmine, stay away from exploding things and keep an eye on any ziiggers nearby.
>Normal is a perspective

>>65530174
They only useful advice I ever got after leaving the military was-
>Do a clean break
Meaning don't do anything you used to do in the military for at least a few months and adapt back to the next step in your life. Getting a new job, healing up, spending time with family and avoid booze, that worked out ok for me. I still don't like people leaving rubbish around near paths and roadways, which I didn't like either prior to deployments but I'm still a bit overly sensitive about it exploding.
Oh and I always check the car prior to using it. Which my wife finds very funny, but fuck her she's usually making us late anyway... I hate being late!

>>65528870
well they can't rotate them so they gotta get used to it

>>65529339
>Russia will be worse because their go to treatment for everything is just drink more vodka
Is of no problems cumrat! Just send them all to die a starved death deep into Siberia! You know, repeating after grandfathers and all that.

>>65530268
This is my favourite kind of prediction because of how completely fucking useless it is and how smug the person making it clearly feels after anyway.

>>65530316
They're obnoxious, passive aggressive little faggots.
Just say some shit, explain nothing, prove nothing wastes of time

>>65529274
Chances are you'd probably end up still alive but paralyzed from the neck down

>>65528870
Wait till he gets home and tries to sleep in his own peaceful bed again. Wife and poor doggo wont be able to sleep next to him for a long time without getting sleep punched or kicked to say the least. its sad bro.

>>65529545
You think Ukraine would have a problem with funding for treatment programs and access to relevant specialists?

>>65530185
>No gas at least
Russia has been using chemical weapons since day one and is increasing funding for its chemical weapons program
oh wait you specified humans, never mind

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>>65530268
Is that why puccia is importong blacks and muslims like there is no tommorow ?

>>65529786
I can't

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>>65530424
No, they were doing that before the mobik meat grinder too. Russia's desire for a horde of African and Asiatic immigrants is completely separate from the kubing. Picrel is from 2021

>>65530440
It might come as a surprise but women have fetishes too.

>>65530440
Less chance of catching AIDS

>>65529198
>how is it post traumatic if its currently happening?
The current experience is post to the trauma that informs that behaviour.

>>65529458
>Tough, right-wing men with traditional values, who reject the hypocrisy of liberalism and are willing to fight for their nation.
You're a bit confused.
The right-wing in Ukraine is fighting /for/ liberalism, not against it.
The alternative is Russian dictatorship, what Ukraine considers right-wing is pro-democracy, pro-human rights, pro-freedom, anti-corruption, anti-oligarch.

There's going to be a bit of a shock when Ukrainian right-wingers meet euro-right wingers and fail to integrate with them.
Remember that the clankening was both right-wing and pro-liberal. There's a reason it's called the Euro-Maidan.

>>65529627
>Literally safe space the city
That's probably Lviv.
Kyiv endures more, even if it's pretty well defended.

NTA btw, also live in Kyiv.
In Lviv, there are sirens and nobody looks up, in Kyiv, shit stops, people are kicked out of shopping malls and have to take cover in metro stations and sleep in hallways to keep two walls between them and drones.
Everyone in Kyiv knows someone who was killed or injured in a drone/missile strike, there are damaged or ruined buildings around the place, you never have to go very far to see signs of impacts.
We've had blackouts, cold showers, no food shortages yet but there is an oddly selective cocacola drought right now which is freaking some people out, McDonalds have had to adjust menus because not all stores can get all ingredients and they can't source postmix right now so are pouring coke from bottles.

Every night is punctuated with explosions and you get woken at 2-3am every night by impacts that set off all the car alarms in the suburb. Sometimes the drones go all night and light sleepers just don't get any sleep that night with windows rattling from blast waves overhead, sometimes for hours.

The average nightly death toll isn't enormous but I wouldn't call Kyiv a safe space, it's quite a stressful place. On bad days, an apartment building column is levelled by a missile and 35 people die in their sleep.

>>65528870
Tends to happen when you're among the best soldiers of the current best army in the world, thanks to Russia, these people have seen hell, went to it and came back to tell the tale, stronger than ever before

>>65530268
It's either demographic decline independently, or demographically extinction as cannon fodder and slaves to Russia under occupation.

>>65530474
>but there is an oddly selective cocacola drought right now
Ruslims blew up Coke and Pepsi factories (again) something like 2 weeks ago

>>65530487
>Why don't you just surrender to the russian?
Because life under russia is worse than death. Simple as.

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>>65529880
What's this from at 0:29?
It looks like a Tarantino film but I don't think it is. Just Michael Madsen playing yet another version of Mr Blond.

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>>65530487
>living under the russian federation doesn't sound so bad

>>65530492
It's something westerners don't understand. They think Russia is like the USA, an occupation sure but they'll try somewhat to not rape and plunder too much.

>>65529919
>Reconstruction, yes. Why the fuck would Ukraine ever demiliatarize though?
Because the current level of military expenditure and civilian cooption to military activities is unsustainable and unjustifiable in peacetime.
Demilitarization doesn't mean disarmament but Ukraine is fighting for peace, not conquest. When it's over, they want to get back to a normal life, not transition to a permanently militerized society al la North Korea.

>>65530487
Because things will get worse if peace is signed with ziggerstan.

>>65530206
>This level of inhumanity should get you stripped of personhood and blended
But then who would you get to do the blending?
Or the planning for blending? Or deciding to blend them?

>>65530233
>Oh and I always check the car prior to using it
You mean under it with a mirror? Or kicking the tires and checking that the motor pool (you, yesterday) haven't left anything off the checklist?

>>65530487
Are you a zigger or just horribly ignorant?
The rusgols already purged and massacred populations in many areas they've taken. Especially the Ukrainian-majority ones. If the Ukies surrendered now, anyone spared would spend the rest of their life as a second class citizen, watching the country get russified and absorbed into the subhuman blyatoid biomass and their submissive prison culture.

>>65530487
I have a friend who went to russia once, before the smo started, even before 2014. Besides Moscow, every city was a shithole that makes even the likes of Brazil or India look like heaven in comparison, streets all cratered up with very deep craters, water leakage everywhere, crumbling infrastructure, the constant stench of rotten food and dirty water everywhere, drunken boomers laying down on the sidewalks screaming unintelligible crap
The russian world is not worth it, better fight to the death, especially when your side is winning, than suffer this living hell

>>65530268
>Ukraine's demographically fucked anyway
Peace and stability tends to bring baby booms, assuming there's nutrition and sufficient prosperity.
Ukraine is likely to have all four of those.

>>65530497
Hell Ride

>>65530487
>Why don't you just surrender to the russian?
Because they know that that is far, far worse.
Also, they all read Taras Shevchenko in school. Maybe you should too.

>>65530491
>Ruslims blew up Coke and Pepsi factories (again) something like 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I didn't mean that the targeting of coke is selective, they got the same treatment every other warehouse is getting, I meant that only some supermarkets are out of coke, others got deliveries and refilled entire aisles with it.

I think a couple of the 2nd tier supermarket chains have transitioned to 2nd tier domestic brands, there are Ukrainian colas and other sodas I haven't seen before on the shelves now, there were always a handful but they didn't have much shelf space and it was only a couple of labels.
Now, entire aisles are all Ukrainian labels and loads of different varieties. I think hitting the coke/pepsi factories will actually prove an economic stimulus in the long term.

>>65530500
>It's something westerners don't understand
We understand just fine, only ziggers, chinks, serbs and the like think that living under dictatorship would be preferable to fighting it.
Everyone saying that is really just wishing that others would surrender to them so that they can enslave and abuse them.

>>65530487
>why don't you surrender to the prople that would steal everything you own and rape you and your family
Yeah I wonder

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>>65530511
>prison culture.
Russian prison culture is not for the faint of heart. I have heard too many tales of bottle-sittings and broomings.

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>>65530505
>Because things will get worse if peace is signed with ziggerstan.

>>65530487
>just surrender and make Bucha a household name

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>>65530519
Thanks anon

>>65530526
>Please don't exaggerate, anon. I am giving you serious question.
And you got a serious answer.
You're just not capable of comprehending it because you do not know freedom.

>>65530526
Nigger, I was born in USSR. You have no idea what "life" was like.

>>65530487
Everything else aside for a moment, is the invasion itself not indicative of why? Do you think there's maybe good reason not to want to live under people attempting honest to god territorial expansion in mainland Europe in the year of our lord 2026? Does this strike you as the action of a state likely to treat those it's prepared to kill to conquer well?
People you would want to share a state with are typically not also the people that would kill to make you share it.

>>65530525
>We understand just fine
Bruh, you're huffing hopium. Western societies got pussyfooted into shit after 1991. "Queers for Palestine" is a prime example. These clueless degenerates will bend over before barbarians under some feel-good propaganda bullshit without a second thought.

>>65530509
The latter, I didn't make enough enemies to put bombs under my cars. But check to make sure they're on, no missing wheel nuts, got pressure, nothing got shot lately. I spent way too much time driving long range patrols to ever trust anyone in a motor pool, they mean well, but they're sometimes retards and that's ok. Just means you got to check its all there before you step off.

>>65530487
just to add to this obvious zigger post
i'm from poland and i'd rather have my family escape abroad and go defend poland to the bitter end, rather than live under zigger occupation. death on the battlefield is literally the preferable fate to living in ziggerified country my man, and this is coming fomr someone whose family lived in a communist state controlled by ussr. FUCK ziggeria. TZD.

>>65530556
>check to make sure they're on, no missing wheel nuts, got pressure, nothing got shot lately
Fair enough, I do the same with my bike but that's because I have these sturdy but tricky deep v rims that are easy to get pinch flats with and my valves have a habit of leaking a bit.
I've had enough rides where I suddenly realise the quick-release is open or something that I do a once-over first.

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>>65530440
Yeah, the whole "White Replacement" nonsense has just been a Russian projection for a long while now, and just as >>65530447
points out, the average Russian woman just has absolutely no interest in the average white Russian man because of how useless and unpleasant they are on average.

It also doesn't help that every other type of woman in Russia would rather have any other type of man than the average white Russian man, so the amount of non-white Russian people has been on a steady rise for years and has spiked recently due to 1% of their population getting cubed and another 1%+ running away to avoid being cubed.

In the West, the level of browness will steadily decrease because, and this is something the grifters don't like to talk about, when a white man and a coloured woman have kids, the kids are paler than the mum and after two generations of white fathers, the kids are white again. And because white European men tend to be more preferable, as they treat women like people and actually have hobbies which make them more interesting people to be around, eventually most of the population will go back to being white again.

Russia can't do that, because the white part of their population has absolutely nothing to offer that gives them an advantage over the rest of the competition.

>>65529578
>>65530474
As a Scandinavian, I hope we can get you guys more interceptors soon.

>>65529773
adrenaline can act as a vasodilator, so some people will get a boner

>>65530604
I don't know retard, where the rest of the hardware comes from? Financing purchases and handing it over with a "don't worry about it" on the I.O.U

>>65530487
Did you know that about 100 years ago the russians deliberately engineered a famine that killed about 5 million Ukrainians? I guess being a retarded serbian zigger shill you didn't, as many vatniks today don't. But most Ukrainians do remember, and many knew someone who lived through it.

>>65530470
>The right-wing in Ukraine is fighting /for/ liberalism, not against it.
They’re fighting for Ukraine, not liberalism.

>>65530623
As opposed to Russia that still has some of the worst domestic violence laws on the planet. Anything you say Ukraine is objectively bad at, I can point to Russia at being far worse.

>>65529615
This is such an American thing to say.

In the Old World, it's perfectly normal to accidentally stumble on mass graves and old battlefields when you start to work on any major infrastructure project, because until about 85 years ago, we would be having at least two continent spanning wars a century and constant skirmishing along the borders of the various kingdoms and empires of the time. Even now, there's still battle damage that can be found in various European cities and we're still digging up literal tonnes of explosives every year and probably will be for the next century or so.

War is a normal and natural thing for us, where we can open up a history book, flip it to page 273 and present reason No.98 as to why you are a cunt and deserve the beating you're currently getting. Americans can't do that and on the whole haven't really suffered on the national scale enough to harden them up. You guys need to have like three or four more American Civil War scale events to get to the same level as a European country with minor trauma like Switzerland.

>>65530622
The russia remains exactly the same. The russians remain exactly the same, and so does their view of Ukrainians. They don't see them as real people, only those silly retarded half-russians (but not really) who talk funny.
So kindly fuck right off with your zigger bullshit.

>>65530628
Something the American mind cannot grasp isn't that Europe is some pussified welfare state, it's a collection of nations that in some way or another was locked in low-to-high intensity foreverwars since they became nations. Europe didn't become pussies, they decided that okay we're kinda sick of war and made the most humane and progressive culture in the world and is being ostracized by lesser nations for it.

>>65530642
>okay we're kinda sick of war
For now

>>65530644
And forever. The EU is very good at curbing militaristic impulses and those that would militarize their nations tend to be those that want to tear the EU apart, but they are few and far between

>>65530627
No, that guy's just one that's been dreaming about Ukraine becoming a trad paradise for some reason.

>>65530656
As opposed to you whose dreaming about it becoming a gay paradise?

>>65530623
>>65530636
I'm sure they'll take on the incel agenda post conflict little guy. Then maybe someone will touch ur pp.

>>65530550
The internet is not real life. The only things you see are what people want you to see, and what the normal person thinks will never be mass-promoted because why would you? If the vast majority of people think that way, then shilling it is a waste of time and money.

What you see paraded around is minorities screaming into the void to get themselves heard and recognised, and this has clearly worked on you.

If you want to know how a society really thinks, just go out and talk to them. It's not hard, as long as you don't spazz out and immediately open up the conversation with controversial bullshit. Most normal people are happy to have a chat with you if you meet them in a social space. Hell, if that's too much for you, grab a clipboard and a pen and just pretend you're conducting a survey for a random polling company.

For example, with the Pride shit. I know quite a few people who used to go to the parades who aren't gay because the drinks were cheap, the free music was good and you could just fuck around with your friends all day without anyone giving you the stink eye. No one has bothered going to the last few because the prices are now double what you pay in the pubs, the music was stripped back and they've got young kids to look after now, so they can't spend an entire day drunk and goofing off.

The actual gay people I know are completely indistinguishable from straight people and find the Pride shit cringe as hell. For them, it's basically like if the Nation of Islam was portrayed as the main Branch of Islam, instead of the insane cult followed by a handful of "Muslims" it actually is.

>>65530663
Right, of course, these hardened veterans who experienced great success under a traditionalist government will of course vote to help all the people that betrayed Ukraine because the future is female and fuck the veterans, you’re so smart

>>65530660
I dream of Russia becoming a global parking lot devoid of life.

>>65530667
You seem to really enjoy arguing with things nobody said.

>>65530666
Wasted trips, satan

>>65530673
Then hurry up and try to have a point.

>>65530668
So do I. To make that happen you need men.

>>65530678
Nta, but postwar Ukraine will have a higher quality of life than Russia.

>>65530686
I never said it wouldn’t, I fully agree that it will.

>>65530487
>surrender to russia immediately, get punitive assrape for being weak and submissive
>surrender to russia after several years of warfare, get punitive assrape for daring to resist
>continue fighting back against russia, hoping to outlast them and not get punitive assrape
gee, I wonder why anyone would ever choose the third option. truly a mystery for the ages.

>>65530487
Fuck off vatnik

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>>65530677
>Checked

Well of course, I am the literal Devil from the Bible, you know. A man's gotta keep up appearances in this day and age or some whiny twirp in a suit and $13 billon of his Dad's money will take your job as Lord of Eternal Damnation.

Let me tell you, the markets been harsh lately and I've been working myself into a complete tizzy trying to keep up with it.

>>65530668

No, that bastard upstairs already has all of the dinosaurs, the cool prehistoric shit like Indricotherium and Elephant Birds; as well as that bloody gorilla, whilst all I get are cockroaches and chihuahuas.

I'll gladly take the people, but the seals and tigers stay so they stay out of his grossly incandescent hands for as long as possible.

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>>65530692
Are you guys doom posting today because the sham election is over and you are all getting drafted next week?

You've all been the sourest of grapes today.

Even when they try to be 'subtle' russian-shill bait threads are incredibly blatant.

Only difference is instead of being
>HAHA WE'RE GONNA KILL ALL YOU PIGGER HOHOLS
they start posting
>poor ukrainians have no chance, why don't they just surrender to russia instead of fighting? fighting is bad guys.

>>65530170
No anon, these are not russian forces

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>>65530692
are they jews or are they nazis?
shills need to make up their mind

>>65530623
lmao
where the hell do these schizo delusions come from?
projection?

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>>65530708
I was curious, so I just checked the regular channels and it does indeed appear that the mobilisation is confirmed, as they are starting to put out courses for Russian government admin staff on how to handle the absolute mess that it's going to be.

They've also shut the border with Estonia down for the next 10-days and have put in place a 5km restriction zone along the border, with night time movement outside populated areas being banned. Authorities have also restricted the movement of small watercraft along a specific section of the Narva River, as well as hunting and the carrying of firearms.

I think the time may have finally come for them to join the great Cube rotting in the trash heap.

>>65530722
Logic. Why would Ukraine turn its back on what has brought it such great success in the war?

>>65530700
I'm sorry God, but a few species is worth it to kill every single Russian man, woman and child.

>>65530628
Well said

>>65530628
Americans are Europeans retard, they come from the same violent history

>>65530487
Here's the plain situation: there's no negotiatin' with the fellas at the freakin' FSB!

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>>65530666
>The internet is not real life. The only things you see are what people want you to see
Yes and no. You're naive to think that "it's all propaganda", when in fact bad shit exists and mindfucks people IRL. Like retards in Poland attacking Ukrainians, while they have russian forces on the border.

It's even worse when mainstream politics doesn't want to touch something and instead restrict something or censor something, pretending that everything is fine in la-la-land. Look at Germany which got raped culturally and socially by brown hoards and the politicians ignored this and had the balls to tell local women to not wear short skirts around migrants and such. That's how you get fifth column AfD being popular. Same things can be found in almost all countries.

>>65530728
>I think the time may have finally come for them to join the great Cube rotting in the trash heap.
Well into the start of mud season and probably complete just in time for winter.

>>65530728
They've been ramping their recruitment/volunteering/press-ganging up for months. Anyone in a potentially vulnerable situation gets targeted immediately. The manpower situation must be pretty grim.

About to get expelled from university? Sign this and you can continue the next semester after returning! Only drone forces duty, no assault units, we swear.
Parents about to get thrown out of commieblock for debts? Sign up and the debts are forgiven!
Having drug problems? Just sign this thing you don't comprehend in your current state (pls don't drool or puke on it) and you get a free detox program!

Their universities and various institutes reportedly have quotas now. Wonder if they're already failing students on purpose to meet those quotas.

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>>65530782
The way I've heard its going to go down off various talking heads is that there's no announcement or notice about mobilisation, they just bag and van anyone that's needed. Then its off to the mandatory beating until you sign yes and get sent off to whatever hell awaits.
Which is what you fucking get for not being political

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>>65528870
The old guys get used to it. The new guys keep jumping at every explosion, but it's not wrong, there are no undangerous grenades. And after a while, they get less jumpy. Then they can share this to the new guys. That is how the war work consumes and trains men.

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>>65528870
how differently would things have been if this retard had his head blown off by a piece of shrapnel when he was trying to look cool in front of a camera?

>>65530700
Lake Baikal is so cool.

>>65530815
that's what you autistic retard can't comprehend: one is a real soldier fighting in a real war and desensitized to explosions, while you're showing a PR faggot who never stepped even close to a battlefield

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>>65530724
Don't worry babe, we're working on it.
By the way, do you want your humanitarian aid package of hamsters to come raw, or pre-cooked?

>>65530782
>Their universities and various institutes reportedly have quotas now. Wonder if they're already failing students on purpose to meet those quotas.
Western universities (those with some form of universal education) have quotas too, state funding covers N places but 1st year costs a fraction of what 3rd/4th year costs to teach so they way oversubscribe 1st year and hoard all the expensive equipment/consumables for the later years, then fail out half of first year and a quarter of second year, then start taking it seriously for the remainder of the program.
If you still need more money to fund your research, take on some foreign students and help the stupid ones to get to second year after a few attempts, they'll keep paying for little zhang to repeat 2nd year for a decade and it doesn't drag down your local reputation when you eventually let them graduate and not at all if you let them drop out when their parent's money runs out, pretty much the same outcome budget-wise.

What I mean is, they don't need to explicitly fail students, just raise the standards a little until the desired number of students are passing/failing.

>>65530782
>Wonder if they're already failing students on purpose to meet those quotas.
They are. They've also tweaked rules to facilitate expulsion from unis. Before you could fail the whole set of exams and just redo them N times. Nobody wanted to expel a student because students being in uni are tied to financing of that uni. Now two fails and you're out.

>>65530749
Where's that from? I wanna watch the whole thing. Even part of the title or the guy's name would help search.

>>65530724
But what of the lobster whistling atop the mountain?

>>65530954
Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNewfxO7LhBoz_1Mx1MaO6sw_

>>65530957
Thanks!!

>>65530742
Underrated

>>65530956
It warmed the snake.

>>65530507
Congratulations, you are capable of seeing that just endlessly dehumanizing someone is bad.

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>>65530487
>living under Russia isn't so bad
Yeah, just ask the Dombabwean population about it, especially the male part of it!
...Oh wait

>>65530526
good morning saars, can you tell me why 2+2=5?
>*gets told it's 4*
>NO YOU BASTERDS DO NOT REDEEM THE REAL ANSWER! GIVE ME THE ANSWER *I* WANT!
You never planned to argue in good faith, so bad faith replies is all you'll ever get

>>65531141
>Same with the Middle East
fixed

>>65531058
>Congratulations, you are capable of seeing that just endlessly dehumanizing someone is bad
I'm not the anon you were initially replying to, just a bystander, more or less on your side even.

It's a well documented phenomenon since WWI. Prolonged exposure to combat stress will have detrimental effects such as soldiers not reacting to incoming fire or ordnance, not seeking cover, blindly rushing towards enemy positions and even actively seeking death in extreme cases.

>>65530487
>>65530799
samefag

>>65528870
Depends on what kind of risk assessment the men are making and their familiarity with the cadence and targeting of Russian artillery strikes. Most likely they realize that the least risky thing is to keep moving if they aren't hit, and they know that from similar occasions in the past.

>>65528870
>no blyats given

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>>65531219

Good on the shills for coming up with a new line at least, even though its fucking retarded. Enjoy getting mobilized and cubed.
>the ukraine should have surrendered now all crazy killer soldats be of returning to home!

>>65531309
It's almost as if we have decades, centuries, millennia of accounts to look back on to know what to expect and how to mitigate it

>>65531309
>imagine reintegrating these ticking timebombs into normal society after the war is over
The EU makes funds available for something they call Social Cohesion projects, this is for all member states as well as candidate states that are past a certain level, this includes Ukraine now.

That's a broad category but among other things, it includes rehabilitation for returning veterans.
We're talking a holiday camps with physical therapy and an opportunity to relax with other veterans and process stuff by hanging out, going for nature walks and swimming and playing sports and having BBQs, without any threat present, something to help the group share trauma while unwinding in a longer term way, like a week. Then returning them to society.

You have no idea how wet the liberal bleeding heart of the EU is, or how well it takes care of people. Once the proper paperwork and voting has been done.

>>65530440
Looks like modern America

>>65530666
>The internet is not real life
Yes it is, it is a reflection of real people's innermost thoughts and feelings rather than the fake personas we encounter in person.

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>>65529596
I kinda stopped reading right away so I don't know exactly what you said, but I still think I'm in the right here and I'm sure you agree

>>65531373
Sure retard

>>65531447
Step outside

>>65530782
>The manpower situation must be pretty grim.
Apparently the Ukrainians are saying that most POWs that they process these days are from Central Asia, China and Africa.
>Their universities and various institutes reportedly have quotas now.
Not just those places, but factories and industrial centers that are vital to the war effort now have to give up a monthly quota of bodies. Hell, they're even gangpressing doctors and nurses to serve in medical units

British naval officers were forbidden from ducking, flinching or in any way reacting to cannon fire when engaged in battle, this is why Nelson lost an eye, an arm and eventually got killed whilst commanding at sea.

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>>65531400
>it is a reflection of real people