https://www.sigsauer.com/firearms/pistols/p385.htmlWill it let them get out of the 320's shadow? How cheap would it have to be for you to give it a try?
Wouldn't touch any of Nig Sauer's Indian grenades.
>>65535435>>65535449SAMEFAG A M E F A Gweirdos are the worst
>>65535435im going to get one purely because it upsets basement-dwelling pseudo gun experts.
>>65535467Samefag these nuts, noguns.
>>65535435.30 super carry status?
>>65535435I already own a Walther PDP
>>65535435a sized up P365 always made more sense than the P320. Why they didn't make this their service pistol from the start I'll never know. Their reputation will take decades to fix regardless, and the P320 will never be seen as a "safe" gun in the zeitgeist again.
>>65535479>Why they didn't make this their service pistol from the start I'll never know.Because making a striker fired P250 is cheaper than designing a clean sheet striker gun, and their CEO's last name is Cohen.
>>65535435If they're still using MIMdia parts and ghost-dropping revisions without their factory knowing which parts are supposed to go in which guns, then it will be the same shitshow all over again
>>65535435So it is basically just a larger P365?
>>65535500I aint reading that shit article but doesn't the 365 already have a bunch of versions, small and large?What's the point of a 'new' model?
lmao
>>65535554Part 2: Did SIG SAUER discontinue the P320 because of the perceived safety issues?No. The overwhelming success of the P385 and its organic, market-driven rapid proliferation to include every single category the P320 covered has coincidentally overlapped with the plans we made years ago to sunset the P320.
>>65535554Ah yes, all those bullets fired unattended on camera are only “perceived”
>>65535435>das rite, we added 20 days to the year!Oof, don't tell my landlord.
>>65535594Only the P365 had that gimmick. Did you think the P320 was for people who worked 6 days a week and only got most Sundays off or something?This is a new gimmick: math for people too stupid for math but who think addition is clever.I assume because there's a lot of overlap between that demographic and people who believe what they say about the P320.
>>65535435Took them long enough. It's frankly shocking that the P320 made it past the prototype phase as a testbed for striker designs. Whoever saw the clearly kludged P250 striker conversion and decided it was ready for the market should be branded with a big R on their forehead to permanently show the world they're retarded
>>65535782Ron Cohen
>>65535791In that case, make it a J
>>65535554I actually believe him, mainly because SIG were retarded enough to announce 3 new P320 models at Sig Next
>>65536014>Sig NexPlease don't tell me sig has their own version of nintendo direct
>>65536024THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF PLAY
>>65536024https://youtu.be/nmfGuHyAbQg
>>65535435
>>65535435Not buying Sig Mimdia trash regardless of price.
>>65535479iirc the P365 wasn't done being designed yet and they wanted a striker fired pistol out on the market, so they clumsily crammed a striker unit into the P250 to save money on tooling and then entered the design in for the US pistol trials shortly thereafter. I don't think anyone cared about the 320 before that, but after they very obviously brined the military to win the trial, the P320 got a bunch of notoriety after that. People forget that they conveniently shipped the military a massive batch of pistols but the safety levers weren't the right color, so the military shipped them back to SIG. SIG said "oh my bad" and produced completely new pistols for the military and turned around and, again very conveniently, sold the incorrect 320s "military surplus" on an upcharge right after to make a quick buck off of retards. This was before any of the drop safety or ND stuff became known, so theyve always been total scumbags with the 320. The 365 came out a couple years later as a tiny compact pistol which is probably the only reason why it got funding by SIG to be built, because it was pitched as something very different from the P320
>>65536014SIG trying to make themselves seem more legitimate by having their own little gay event where they pretend like they are pushing the industry forward by doing stupid stuff like adding Bluetooth features to a red dot will never not be funny and never not come off as extreme astroturfing
>>65536051They would rather do this than import the actual cool shit the Swiss company is making like the 550s and new 56x rifles. Grim
So how about those M17s and M18s then
>>65536086doesn't contract end on 2027?
>>65536089Only one more year Glocksisters!
>>65535516this is a p365 that is widened into the same width as the p320. p365 has multiple versions, but all in that 1.5 stack width. basically they took a glock 48 and made it into a glock 19 in order to replace the glock 19
i like the p320
>>65536095Key difference is that Glock is known to make reliable guns and has been in the hands of Gaston Glock and spouse for ages. Not passed around like a Wednesday special stripper the way SIG has
>>65535435I hate the gas pedal but the slide release looks cool with how flat it is.
>>65536098Same, and it hasnt killed me yet
>>65536091it is already the fed agent gun with ICE actually dumping their sigs for glocks. wouldn't be surprised if they do it, and i woudlnt be surprised if a massive lawsuit and news story about "muh forgein over domestic" like there was with GM losing the armored car contract to BMW will happen (even though both Glock and BMW make their shit in the US)
>>65536118>yetoperative word here
>>65536049>within the span of a few years, become provider of army's pistol, and rifle, and carbine, and SAW, and suppressors. >they all fucking suck
>>65535435Who does this appeal to?
>>65536024>sig version of nintendo directit's just Cohen saying 'please understand' and apologizing in an extremely jewish accent, for 15-30 minutes while all his fanboys beat off on discord calls.
>>65536280people who dont know shit about sig for the past 2 decades. other than oh there was a sig in a videogame that was cool gun.
>>65536098Me too. I have multiple of them, all steel or aluminum grips. The 320 is great imo. Fat people online who own 10 different 9mm glocks want it to fail like how they want every new movie or video game to fail and troll endlessly. The movies and games are dogshit but I can attest the 320 doesn’t really deserve that online hate circlejerk treatment. That being said 385 looks cool and I like how it uses 320 mags
>>65535479I thought the P365 was a sized-down P320What's the difference between the two?
>>65536308320 is more robust and was designed for military and police contracts. 365 was designed for civilian carriers. They sized it up later cuz why not. It’s a little less robust which is why it has part breakage issues.
>>65536259To their credit they did what Colt did way back when and promised board jobs to generals after they retire in exchange for contracts. The difference is that Colt actually had a good product to sell and were(iirc) doing it for the M4A1, not some unproven experimental retard shit or just poorly designed trash pistols. Colt also didn't try to monopolize all small arms in the US military either
>>65536337Holy fudd
>>65536308365 fire group that everything works around is machined metal320 is stamped shit that flexes and oh no whats totally inspec on the extremes of tolerances is now out of spec cause something bent? oh but the guns cold now and it flexed back so it looks like everythings fine and nothing was ever wrong. its shit.its like a stamped ak without the the fucking trunions. theres nothing that keeps the sheetmetal ridged. horrible horrible design.
>>65536361>Muh tolerances and specIt just works though bro. No idea what you’re even trying to say and no concrete examples offered
>>65536361oh and im not saying stamped in general is bad. plenty of guns use bent sheet metal and its fine like glock. what sig did in the 320 was bad. its all sigs fault.if they reengineered it like they did with the 365 its workable. the idea of the fcu was fine. now theres other problems with the 365 but the 320 horrible tolerances stopped on the 365.cause what everything is mounted to didnt flex as much.
>>65536291>there was a sig in a videogame that was cool gunAre there though? Even new games are running P90s, UMPs, G36s, AUGs, etc. I saw gameplay of the newest COD and they were running a fucking HK P30 of all things.I feel like nothing captivating or iconic has released in the real gun world since Y2K, and as a result video games and movies just never moved on to adopting the new slop to the same degree.
>>65536369the holes that everything is on move.now that sear engagement that was considered acceptable isnt.gun go bangor now the safety doesnt actually work.
>>65536380Again you offer no examples. You can’t seriously blame the 320 “ND” issues on tolerances. Did baby watch his first YouTube video where a guy pulls the trigger 99% of the way down and then shakes it around a bunch and blames sig tolerances while literally pulling the trigger?
>>65536390Anything talking about sear engagement or internal safeties on the 320 is pure cope. You have to be fucking with the trigger to get a “ND”. Just stick to a brainlet proof design like trigger safeties like sig is moving towards. The market wasn’t ready for good triggers
>>65536398>>65536395RON COHEN????
you can always tell who has a punisher skull sticker on their f1shitty when sig discussions come up. they can't put cohen cock in their mouth fast enough lmao. post your legion tattoo btw
>>65536401Just keep your fat fingers off the trigger and be careful of “””light bearing””” holsters with no trigger coverage and you will be fine. Or just avoid the 320 I don’t care
>>65536369>>65536395>>65536398Izzat so?
>>65535795In that case make it a yellow star of David
>>65536280My buddy Jason
>>65535435>Nig Sauer's Indian grenadestop kek
>>65536409Is this the new cope for SIG being a shady fucking PE owned company?
>>65536604He sounds like a fag.
>>65536049The drop safety thing was a known issue before the military trials; the Army made them fix it before they accepted the design. The uncommanded discharges were not known about and/or assumed to be a symptom of the lack of drop safety at the time. Sig didn't have to bribe anyone; they had what was considered a functional, mature design already in service with police departments all over the country, with a single fixable issue, and they offered it for half the price of Beretta and a quarter of the price of Glock. Whether Beretta or Glock offered better products isn't really relevant since military handguns aren't relevant and everyone knows it.
>>65536680>newno they've been saying this since the drop safe days>the pistol is fine just dont drop it>2011's aren't drop safe eitherthere legitimately isn't a larger copefest within the gun market than siggers.
>>65536689shalom sigger
>>65535435>>65535554So, does it actually end today?>>65536024>foreign company>highly litigious>has a fanbase of obnoxious manchildren>has been coasting on its reputation since the 90's>modern output is nowhere as good as the products it was putting out 20-30 years ago>questionable leadership as of lateYou have a point, but calling Sig the Nintendo of guns is an insult to Nintendo.At least I don't have to worry about my Switch trying to kill me if it malfunctions.
siggers, anti siggers, sig bros, sig friends. Is it too late just to get a nice metal p220 ? should i get one sooner than later?
>>65536939I'd go for the 10mm. The P220 in 45 as well as P226 variants are horribly outdated but the 10mm offers something unique and shoots the best
>>65536369Sorry you chose poorly and now have to constantly justify your error to strangers online. That's what happens when you join the jewcrew. Should have bought a Glock.
>>6553543550 bucks
I have yet to handle any SIG that shoots or handles or does anything significantly better than the west German 226 I inherited from my dad. So no, I shan't be purchasing.
>>65536960fangirl cope. you can enjoy both
>>65536928>At least I don't have to worry about my Switch trying to kill me if it malfunctions.no, but you do need to worry about a Nintendo fanboy trying to kill you if you publicly complain about your Switch malfunctioning
>>65535435hi Shawn, or is that you Mike?did Shawn give you one during your interview?
>>65537137Yeah he did, worst head of my life.
>>65536982the 226 is way too flippy for its size and weight.
>>65536049>320s "military surplus"And retards tried to flip these with $2k price tags on them.
>>65536946>P226 variants are horribly outdatedI disagree greatlyA Sig P226 MK25 is an amazing handgun if you don't care about opticsAnd I'm sure you can find optic ready P226 slides anyway
>>65537288The plus size P365 variants might be the first pistols from Sig Sauer that aren't, but you couldn't pay me to take strikershit from new Sig even if it is a bit flatter shooting.
>>65537288What the hell are you shooting My MK25 is a hunk of steel, as is most P226 guns
>>65536939>>65536946>>65537335I feel like people sleep on the 40th anniversary p226 whenever they go on sale for like $800. The aluminum grips alone are worth like $100.
>>65537558Well the MK25 is just a P226 with coating that resists water and humidity really good and has a railAnd lets not forget about that anchor
>>65535435I will never buy a shit saeur product for the remainder of my life. Jewish company.
>>65537615Good to see the Anti-Sig troll is back off of ban /sarc
>>65537656not your boyfriend schizo
>>65535449>Wouldn't touch any of Nig Sauer's Indian grenades.FPBP. Any new Sig is absolutely untouchable for at least two years after release.
>>65535467>t. Hideous street-shitting subhuman
>>65536046>i'm jakkin'!
>>65536118>yet
>>65535435I expect it to be monumentally more safe than the P320, but I'm not exactly holding my breath on the production quality, surprise mechanics was hardly the only problem the P320 had.>>65535472I think that you shouldn't give free money to Ron Cohen out of sheer kneejerk contrarianism, like a child, and instead actually observe the product before making a choice.Maybe it'll actually be decent, but don't give them a free chance on that.>>65535477It's dead, Jim.
>>65535494I'll give Sig Sour the benefit of the doubt that they at least won't do the same stupid MIM sear again. They might do something else stupid, just not the same stupid thing.>>65535554Setting aside their pride, what else will they even really say? They kind of have to lay it on some for marketing reasons. You don't get consumer confidence back (whether or not you're genuinely going to earn it or not), by going "Yeah, we shat the bed, guess we'll see what the next one will be like!">>65536049>after they very obviously brined the militaryMmmm, brined military...
what does the P in P320 even stand for... Gay? lmao
>>65536098>>65536118>>65536305I'm assuming you guys got ones without any of the defects then, because some people absolutely did. Paul liked his.
>>65537997Pajeet
>>65536737Re-read his post, retard.
i work for the company, the P stands for 'puts his dick into other guys asses because he's gay'
I think it looks nice. Like a big P365. We’ll see how it fares.
>>65538281There's no way it won't actually be better than the P320, I just don't expect all the other common flaws it has to all just vanish. Not unless they exile Ron Cohen to the east.I think a lot of people will get a pretty solid pistol, but that a lot of people will still get weird issues like leading with FMJ.
>>65535554>"Perceived" issues
>>65535435>Still no backstrap option to adjust trigger reach/LOPDo sig engineers just not shoot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMFerUtU0E4be honest /k/ if you were given the deal of getting all free sig firearms & free ammo for them the rest of your life you would sell out or not?
>>65535516The P385 probably uses full size springs in some places that you can't with the 365. The 365 but fullsize already exists, its just limited by micro pistol internals.
>>65537985>kneejerk contrarianismcrying about sig at every opportunity isn't kneejerk contrarianism? most perpetually online take everanyways, just watch me. i'll buy one because of you faggots that insist on parasocial relationships with companies.
>>65542475Do whatever retarded thing you want. You making mistakes is no skin off my back.
>>65542478>Do whatever retarded thing you want. You making mistakes is no skin off my back.you being a failed abortion attempt is the only real mistake here. but i am glad it is that upsetting to you, that is precisely the goal.
>>65541026Does it include the older firearms and pre Cohen QC?
>>65542491I'm sure my friend Jason could hook you up.
Is this actually just a sized up p365?I just bought a Glock 17 god damnit
>>65542759You just bought a better gun then
>>65536982>I have yet to handle any SIG that shoots or handles or does anything significantly better than the west German 226
>>65542759With Sig Saar's track record, I'd be happy with the Glonk.
>>65535435Found it in our inventory system the other day (large sporting goods chain), and it will start at $629.99.
>>65543007not if its dog shit gen 6
>>65543192RXM a better gen 6 than a gen 6 desu
>>65542759>I just bought a superior firearmCorrect
>>65543192What's wrong with the gen 6?
if the SIGGERS had only had a machined FCU instead of stamped. I like the P320 grip modules. I've made a good bit of money applying epoxy and silicon carbide grit to them for normies and le heckin redditards. its absolute traction. makes maglites usable with an led conversion. >>65535472>ZOMG!!! THABKS FOR THE REDDIT GOLD!!!
>>65536689>they offered it for half the price of Beretta and a quarter of the price of Glock.take your hook nosed lies elsewhere ron. we can smell the gefilte fish on your breath from here.
>>65543007>>65543052>>65543192>>65543257It's a gen6 COA. I got it for a pretty good deal through blue label
I'm going to get it because it's probably gonna hit the street for about 5 hundo and the 365 design is fairly solved at this point. There's a lot of console war style shit around the company, a lot of it earned, but I don't give a shit about brandfaggotry
>>65545162It's a solid pistol. Maybe you'll find yourself preferring something else more, but it won't let you down.>>65543192>>65543362Because of backdoor pressure from anti-gun groups and politicians over nignog crimes, Glock cucked out and redesigned it so that it can't take the Turbo Button anymore.Then within a week, someone designed a new Turbo Button for the Gen 6 Glonk, so the problem is kind of solved.
>>65535449Sikh Saar: Never Redeem
>>65535477Meme.
>>65545162It's still a Glock, which means you paid 200 dollars more than you actually had to. Enjoy, I guess
>>65535435I'm sure they'll do rigorous testing on their end and not use their first gen owners as beta testers
>>65545609It's a duty grade 365. The beta testing has been going on for years.
>>65535449Thats Saar Sauer to you
I miss cool Sig.
>>65545679sig still makes the p210
>>65536939Yes. 10mm if you are a homosexual. .45 is you are a straight red blooded American
>>65545714They also still make the P226, but do they do so well?
>>65545614I see you let your autism get the better of you. It was a joke. And you looked tok deep into it
>>65545725from what reviews say, yes.
>>65545729No! Not like this!
>>65545714Yeah, no they don't.The current production P210 may have the same name as the old one, but it's not even remotely the same gun.I could slam an entire bottle of whiskey, put on a blindfold, and if you handed me a real p210 and a nu-SIG, I'd instantly be able to tell which was which from the vast difference in quality alone.Hell, someone with a trained ear could probably hear the difference in quality as the two guns were dry cycled and finger fucked.The German P210s were noticeably worse than the Swiss ones, and the nu-SIGs are complete trash compared to both the German and Swiss made P210s.It's like Colt's nu-Python, but way worse.
>>65545743ok cool so a bunch of feelsposting.
>>65545747By your logic a Norinco NP22 is the exact same thing as a West German P226.
>>65545743The old 210s were mass production guns make of legitimately inferior materials. Fuck off mate
>>65545758have you ever shot a new production 210, or heard anything bad about them?
>>65536091>Not M&PLets get you to bed, grandpa
You know every manufacturer eventually makes a shitty gun. Most make shitty guns from the start. Thats okay as long imo so long as they work to fix and improve the issues. When a greedy prick takes over a company and outsources manufacturing and absolutely fucking annihilates the QC and design to make more money at the inevitable expense of people dying or being severely injured there is only one word for that. Evil. To then go out and lie to everyone’s faces and say there’s nothing wrong is flat out gas lighting. Fuck Sig. Fuck Cohen. Fuck their apologists. They get none of my money ever and I will continue to make fun of the retards shilling their shit brown hand grenades.
>>65545877>its ok when keltec does it but its 'Evil' when sig does it.
>>65535554Total cope lmao
>>65536395>>65536398>>65536409>defending the P320 in 2026
>>65536398gawk gawk gawk sluuuurp
>>65545877Did Cohen fuck your mom or something? It ain't that serious
>>65545884Keltec constantly tries new shit and weird designs. We expect failure from them. Sig produces bog standard gunmart slop. Nothing they do is new or hard. They just do it bad.>>65546053>Shooting your customers isn’t seriousThe absolute state of sig apologists.
>>65545884I wasn't aware the p11, pf9, p32, p3at, p15(polymer) having an MSRP of $700 (320's MSRP when first released. That's the difference homes. Stay angry at lelkek
>>65546104Talking about of both sides of your mouth. How about Smith's shitty QC of late? Smith fucking up their own designs so much you got revolvers constantly shooting squibs. Fucking performative outrage nigger
>>65545877Is it evil when Glocks explode and break fingers and cause severe burns because Glock refuses to have full chamber support? Was it evil when CZ killed a man because it wasn't drop safe? Evil is a dramatic word
>>65546144>whataboutism
>>65546332Yeah, I'm asking you what about that. Is that evil?
>>65536395>>65536398>>65536409>>65546144>>65546131
>>65546348I hate cz with a passion. But they are upfront with what guns are not drop safe. Glock is upfront that their barrels are not fully supported. Sig refuses to admit they are at fault for anything. While blaming their customers for them cutting corners designing an unsafe gun. A proper analogy would have been Remington with the 700. And yes they were evil for doing that.
>>65546501>A proper analogy would have been Remington with the 700. And yes they were evil for doing that.That shit was INSIDIOUSLY evil, Remington had known about that potential defect for a very long time, but then Freedom Group still decides "muh bottom line, tho" and shit goes as it goes.
>>65546131>revolvers constantly shooting squibsWhat in the fuck are you talking about? Squibs would be a matter of ammunition entirely.
>>65546144Maybe you shouldn't be shooting bubbas pissing hot .40 S&W "+p" through a 20 year old Glock without swapping in an aftermarket barrel?
>>65546512The CEO of Cerberus Capital Management (Freedom group) at that time and the current owner of sig share one very important thing in common.......
>>65546521Glock 22s already did it when they were brand new, but that's besides the point of trying to hotrod fucking .40 S&W when 10mm Auto and the Glock 20 already goddamn existed, so I'm inclined to feel that those people really only have themselves to blame.Could the safety margins have been nicer? Sure, but now they actually are, and it's such an eminently avoidable and ridiculous problem with such a glaringly obvious (pre-existing) solution.
>>65546561Yea, 20 years ago. They increased chamber support over the generations so it hasn't been an issue on later production models.>>65546561
>>65546561>>65546578Glocks are still blowing up. They literally never stopped because the chamber support is still insufficient
>>65546549Reminder that before Cohen started fucking up SigSauer-Germany so fucking bad that the company went bankrupt (largely because they got sued/fined into oblivion by the German state after Cohen personally forged export paperwork to illegally smuggle pistols to Columbian drug cartels), he used to work at Kimber and was responsible for cutting corners, lowering the quality of everything, and jacking up the prices while pushing the whole "premium brand name" narrative.
>>65546586Lies. There has been a single verifiable report of a possibly non ammo induced KB in a Glock recently. Post your proofs.
>>65546586Lying sigger fingers typed this post.The chamber support thing was vastly overblown in the first place. It was only ever an issue with nuclear bubba-loads, and even then it usually required Bubba to be using worn-out cases that had been resized and trimmed close to a dozen times.
>>65546611>>65546624Posted this before, will post it again https://youtu.be/k4eRUK9xzWchttps://youtu.be/NEM8llvlQtQ this guy is constantly blowing up his glockshttps://youtu.be/NVCo3LlzlNEhttps://youtu.be/sHquDAi6mcMhttps://youtu.be/HaApVoP87fQ
>>65546675To clarify, I'm not saying Sig is good, but ignoring that Glock still has meaningful flaws real people experience is fucking stupid fanboy shit
>>65546683>Glock still has meaningful flaws real people experienceYeah nah
>>65546699Okay, you're a dumb fag and I won't try to engage with a brain that isn't there
>>65546597It's almost as if there's a stereotype about this
>>65546332t. king of whataboutism
>>65546104>>65546115my RDB slamfired out of the box. you are defending them because ou
>>65546722Can you please show me where in the post I mentioned those? Please? We are talking about handguns here. Not rifles not shotguns.
>>65546734lol well at least its better than the usual "keltec isn't a serious brand!" deflection.
>>65546740When you buy an under $300 handgun, you expect an under $300 handgun. If I pay $700 for a handgun, I don't expect getting a $300 one. Keltec long guns are a different story. And won't defend their hit and miss quality there. Because you expect better for the price. Hench why I very specifically mentioned handguns
>>65546586Me when I'm a Sigger and I lie.
>>65546810Bro?
>>65546703Are the meaningful flaws in the room with us now?
>>65547015They can blow up, queers love them
>>65535435Why is everyone just copying the walther pdp?
>>65546683Can you please provide evidence to back up your claim? Has to be a design flaw and not users being users. And it has to be a recurring problem and Glock never even attempted to fix the issue
>>65547172Nigga he posted videos
>>65545775so were the west german p226s but that's never stopped anyone. welcome to sig threads.
