The UK now has 6 astute class attack submarinesRealistically, how does Argentina deal with that if it wants to invade the Falkland islands?
also HMS Agamemnon is a fucking sick submarine name
>>65537990>13 years to build 1 (ONE) submarineJesus Christ
>>65537990Are those the ones that regularly fall to 0% availability?As in, some of the time they can't get any of them to work?
>>65538003so they say.but it's worth considering that it would obviously be in the RNs interest if it's potential adversaries operated on the belief that no astute class submarines were at sea.
>>65538015>but it's worth considering that it would obviously be in the RNs interest if it's potential adversaries operated on the belief that no astute class submarines were at sea.No, this makes no sense.These exist as deterrent, which obviously doesn't work if they don't work.Also sat imagery and literally anyone walking up to the facility can very clearly sitting in dock or not sitting in dock, which means that even in the theoretical situation where this is true, which is ridiculous to begin with, it doesn't work.How would you even come up with this idea?
>>65537990>13 years to build a single subHuh?
>>65538023>These exist as deterrent,Not really.They exist to conduct intelligence, reconnaissance, maritime operations and protection of SSBNs.
>>65537999It's not fair to compare to the US.French subs are 14-15 yearsFrance and the UK had a significant gap in nuclear submarine building after the cold war. They lost the workforce and infrastructure, had to build it back up. Even when it's back at full steam in a few years time they aren't going to compete with the US on output.Both France and the UK are aiming for 10 year build window which i think is respectable.
>>65538059>the uk is spending over 300 billion a year on immigrantsHow did you reach that number?
>>65538038Sorry to disappoint, but your idea makes no sense. This isn't some genius bamboozling 4d chess move, it's the result of industrial and more broadly general decay in the UK.The new sub works so they at least have something operational, but we're still talking about one, at most two functional subs at a time, sometimes none.
>>65537990They aren't getting shit without America's help and I don't think the current admin is THAT retarded to piss away England's goodwill.
>>65538059>the uk is spending over 300 billion a year on immigrants[citation fucking needed]
>>65538015>Open gmaps>2 in dock>Lots of vehicles parked by the covered dock, likely at least one in there.Or just pay the hippies at the nuke camp over the road to keep an eye out.Plus supposed doctrine is one in wet dock, one in dry, rest out at sea but I don't think that has ever been followedLeast faslane has good food
>>65538066His handlers in Bombay were told that by their handlers in Moscow
>>65537990>keel laid down in 201312 fucking years to make a sub
>>65537990>13 years to commission an attack boteBongs...
>>65538066He's wrong, it's about 1/3rd of the military budget going to immigrants, various ways.Which is still a nooses and pitchforks level national crime btw.
As an example, each Los Angeles-class sub took approximately 48 months to build and we built 62 of them. That's more subs in one class than the UK has built in toto since World War Two.>yes I googled it
>>65537990Why are Argentinians so butthurt about the Falklands? It was never their’s to begin with.
>>65538437like all multi-ethnic countries you need to anchor your nationalism in something that isn't blood or your history.so you've got a civil ideal or raw territory the argies "chose" raw territory because theirs no shared ideal at allthat's why the argies have border disputes with just about every one of their neighbors. it's just that the Falklands is the only dispute anyone gives a shit about outside of South America
>>65538437>why do leaders of a failed nation need an external enemy to focus on and distract from internal problems
>>65538218why would a pajeet who is soviet-aligned dislike immigrants that are ruining the UK lol
>>65538488>public private partnerships that provide housing and various services to migrants.BTW perhaps I need to explain that public-private partnerships works like this, a private company provides something, the government pays.
>>65538417thats a sub designed in the 60s. not really comparable.the closest comparison to is the virginia class.but even there you'd be comparing apples and oranges. the astute's are heavily stealth focused, which generally means a much more complex build. they aren't designed for mass production like the virginia class.
the absolute state of yanks
>>65538571The US, or Lockheed at least, has produced over 1000 F-35 in a little over a decade. Those are stealthly, complex builds, albeit lower mass than an Astute. Not moving the goalposts, British and other European industry just generally sucks.
>>65538581>orderedThat's a lot different than having your keel laid and it taking more than a decade to complete.
>>65538066Same place he got this number...
>>65537990The Falklands aren't undefended anymore.
>>65538488So tldr, you pulled 300 billion out of your ass? Same as the good old "money for NHS"- shit that UKIP pulled during Brexit?
>>65537990>Realistically, how does Argentina deal with that if it wants to invadeIt doesn't. It literally can't. It doesn't have any amphibious landing vessels (ARA Heroina was retired last year), or surface combatants to escort them even (as only ARA Sarandi remains vaguely operational). All units are understrength and underequipped, only the Xth mechanized brigade is anywhere near something resembling combat readiness with its more modern platforms being eight (8) secondhand strykers. The TAM2C is dead, the factory that made the upgrades was sold off. TANDANOR can't put a hull on the water to save its life. The Super Etendards were retired for lack of spares and they FF.AA. doesn't know how to operate its crusty, secondhand F-16AM/BM Block 15s if which it only received half a dozen. Not AA to speak of, no radars to guide them, no MANPADS. Troops still use FN-FALs with no optics of any kind while the vast majority of ballistic vests are expired. No plate carriers either. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada. There is no world, current or imagined, where Argentina does shit. If it did, not only the FF.AA. would fail miserably, three quarters of the force would go AWOL without a shadow of a doubt. There's only enough ammo for 48hs of engagement across the entire FF.AA.
Electric Boat and Newport NewsNeed to just start manufacturing the nuclear moduleThis could allow more yards to do final assemblyCould refuel the Los Angles class too
>>65537990LMAO at people shocked at just 12-13 years. Check out the Spanish S-80 Plus class.>The class has its roots in the late 1990s, and Spain ordered the submarines into production in 2003. Due to problems with the design, it had to be extensively redesigned in the 2010s, and a Spanish government budget crisis forced additional delays. On November 30, 2023, the first submarine of the class entered service with the Spanish Navy.
>>65538763Ah yes, the sub that was too heavy to re-surface. Classic spanish
>>65538587it was laid down in 2012
>>65538654300 bil is the entire welfare budget including pensions for oldies (the majority of that spending) and chav's bennies so yes he is pulling that out of his ass.
>>65538804Embarrassment all around.
>>65537990>how does Argentina deal with-Dude, it was over forty years ago and the Argentinians haven't realistically had a navy or air force for 30 of those, find something new to thump your chest about already.
>>65538865It's not their fault. Milei is behaving like a mouthbreathing retard. Well, more like usual that is.
>>65537990It doesn't. Argentina isn't going to invade the Falklands. It's just a bullshit talking point that Argie politicians start talking about when they desperately want to distract the Argentinian public from whatever dumb shit they've just done.
>>65538617Is this some kind of 4D chess move to make us like the UK again?
>>65537990They got so fucked up the last time they invaded that they literally amended their constitution to say they wont try and use force. I don’t know why people keep asking about this. Its an unbelievable nothing burger
>Yet another spam thread about the falklandsAKA another thinly-veiled thread of thirdies whining and spamming about the UK.
>>65539257>posting the AI summaryshould be grounds for a ban
>>65537999You are embarrassing yourselfEveryone is talking about how the royal navy is doing better than expected and has Argentina and the vatniks on the run
>>65538478>why would a pajeet who is soviet-aligned dislike immigrants that are ruining the UK lolHe doesn't but he hopes you do because emotional responses provide a handle to manipulate people.
>>65539257>I don’t know why people keep asking about thisJust shill things. Please get very angry about something between people, one of whom you should hate. Because hate makes you stupid and hate can be redirected in useful ways.
>>65537990>goad the UK into nuking Buenos Aires>use the loss of international support to force them to surrender Falklands>enjoy new clay.It's like trading a queen for a pawn in chess
>>65539923Stop bumping a shit thread.
>>65539923>UK into nuking Buenos Aires>use the loss of international support>loss of international supportApoyo completamente la idea de convertir a baires en un crater y estoy seguro de que el resto del mundo tambíen la apoyaría.
>>65539934>zigger butthurt over royal navy thread Are Russian submarines still afraid to surface, pidor?
>>65538671>Troops still use FN-FALs with no opticsKinda based ngl
>>65540071Its more likely a zigger-aligned poster made this thread just as an excuse to bring up the falklands again, and then start spouting bullshit like in the deleted posts above.
>>65538437Because they claimed all the Spanish belongings.
>>65540176But useless in combat. No thermals or NVGs either. The FF.AA. is deadass broke and thank fucking God for that.https://www.escudodigital.com/en/defense/latin-america/exodus-in-argentinas-armed-forces-15000-troops-quit-amid-salary-crisis.html
They have 6 but only 1 is operational
>>65538437Ironically the Falklands is overflowing with Chilean migrant workers.
>>65537990>how does Argentina deal with thatUse planes for logi.The one huge advantage Argentina would have is the UK is far enough away they could build up forces for a week before the UK could get any ships into the area.It's 6803 nautical miles from the UK meaning a ship doing 30 knots is going to take 226 house (9.4 days) to get there.That said I think it's all chest thumping and I can't see them actually trying to take it and with the UK government being extremely unpopular no matter which party is in the UK would just at it as a destraction from the consequences of Brexit.
>>65540347The advantage you mentioned was noticed by both sides at the time, yet Belgrano still happened
>>65540347There is a garrison on the islands, with typhoons.
>>65540373Not him, and I'm not saying it's too small to hold off an invasion, but it is truthfully still a very modest size garrison.I still think the UK holds enough of a tech advantage that Argentine brute force wouldn't quite cut it, even with the dire state of the Royal Navy
>>65540381Let me put it bluntly, the Argentine armed forces struggle to provide disaster relief. It is a force that has been, for good reason, systematically gutted and left to rot. The only things they do effectively are money laundering, drug trafficking and letting ammo trickle down into the hands of criminals (which compose 80% of the force).If for some unfathomable reason someone like Hezbollah decided to launch an assault on Campo de Mayo with a banged up 1980s Toyota land cruiser and two rusted yugo AKs to share between five dudes? I'd still put my worthless monopoly money on Hezbollah. Heck, I'd even cheer for them.Any notion that the FF.AA. could do anything at all belongs in the realm of science fiction or high fantasy.
>>65540436I said you'd win yet you still wrote a whole speech saying you'd win what do you want from me?
>>65540451I want you to go brew yourself a nice peppermint tea. This is nonnegotiable.
>>65540472It gives me gas but I would otherwise
>>65540476I'd say it's worth it. It's quite relaxing. Just warn the missus first.
>>65540487Nooooo, I've got gastro things, it truly isn't worth it. Seeing a gastroenterologist about it. We think it's a methane problem
>>65537996The 7th was going to be called *Agincourt* - but the big wigs got cold feet at the risk of upsetting the French, so had it renamed. It's now going to be *Achilles*. I would have preferred Ajax - good Falklands war heritage there.
>>65538763>due to problems with the design ok list the problems on the british one
>>65538066It came to him in a dream.That said, congrats to Britain for voting out Polish immigrants and voting in Pakis. Real upgrade.
>>65537996The original HMS Agamemnon was famously Nelsons favourite ship
>>65538113>[citation fucking needed]the reality is the UK spends just 1.5% of that number. As usual, the idiots are exaggerating by nearly 100X the real numbers. >>65538416the UK's defence budget is £62.0 billion per annum. Its budget for immigration is about £4.5 billion. So not 1/3, but less than 1/12th >>65538437>Why are Argentinians so butthurt about the Falklands?Argentina now has a poverty rate of 32.3% it was half that a decade ago. its a distraction from the failures of the government.
>>65537990Gtfo Milei.
>>65541058how much of the UK's defence budget? Zero. this is /k/, the whataboustisms are irrelevant.
>>65537996>died in a bath
>>65537996>AgamemnonA quintessentially British name.
>>65540185Ziggers would avoid the Falklands topic, as it proves the UK could beat anyone and it only embarrasses Russia further
>>65541091But that's not what they do, they just use it as a jumping off point on how not only are anglo saxons imperialist monsters for having such territory but they are too weak now to defend it because of /pol/-bait topics like>immigrantsand should just surrender everything forever, that they have no place interfering in the affairs of others.
>>65538617>hindu jam rat
>>65537996isn't this the cuck that started kicked off the Trojan war?
>>65537990yeah... argies not pulling a fast one again unless they do some extreme perfidy
>>65542521No, you're thinking of Menalaus, Helen, and Paris. And indirectly, Aphrodite and Eris.
Argiecope about Royal Navy being in decline is utterly pointless, because while it is true that RN isn’t exactly in the best position it has been in, Argentine’s own navy is now cargo cult -tier.And Argentinians themselves must know this too, which makes their chest-thumping even more pathetic. Malvinas never ever.
>>65543273>RN in “decline”Mostly seen by everyone as a narrative spread by Russian agitators and nonwhites from /pol/ who cherry picks news articles while ignoring how Russia is doing worse by any comparison which is far more relevant to any discussion. Period.
>>65541001You're a moron. The UK voted against one globablist socialist wokeshit power (the EU) successfully while having the boot of another permanently on its throat (the UK govt, QUANGOs and civil service).The Pakis were never on the table with the EU vote, they were coming in already and would continue to regardess of the ourcome of the EU vote.
>>65540661>Ajaxhhnnggh
>>65544237>the EU institutions are made up by people elected by the member states citizens or appointed by the member state governments>if we leave the EU but keep voting for the same people things will changeBrexit was retarded because it doesn't fix anything
Was it worth it?
>>65544251It was retarded because it was sabotaged by the ruling classes in the UK who didn't want it. And even then it was still a victory because instead of having two authoritarian clusterfucks choking us out we now only have one. But one is all it takes to continue the ruination of the country. Also that is literally all there was to vote for. The UK was, until recently, effectively a 2 party system. But people were slow to wake up to the fact that the two parties were actually more or less the same. For the last 30 years you voted for the Conservatives because some of the backbenchers were less communist than the most right wing Labour MP, but in fact everyone forming the govt was just a Blairite globohomo authoritarian socialist and even then the people really running the show were unelected beurocrats you have never heard of (all of whom are rich, white, urban, university indoctrinated career faggots who have never done any real work for generations and have developed a culture of absolutely loathing Britain as it was before then enshitified it)
>>65538671>argentinians invade the falklands and claim asylum as it's UK territory>This isn't some Trojan horse strategy this is sincere they just want to get the fuck away from Argentina.
>>65544276What's wrong with prawn cocktail?
>>65544298>asylum claimsIt wouldn't work out for them because Argentinians are white.
>>65544302I was comedically referring to this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Directive_91/71/EEC
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>>65543565Any mention of Russia outside of a thread about Ukraine or explicitly about that nigerian gas station shithole should result in a temporary ban from posting. The histrionics are exhausting. The anon is literally saying the Brits will not lose against the Argie fucks and calling it a cope by the Argies and you just take it as a chance to go unsolicitedRUSSHA RUSHSA RUSSHA RUSSHA REEE RUSSHA RUSSHA RUSSHA REEEE.Like holy shit man. It's like that old preacher comic of the KKK guys and bitching about the one who can't talk about anything but hating blacks. At this point you just want a chance to mindlessly hate, not constructively hate.>>65537996The Brits have always done great with the military nomenclature and I wish we followed a similar model instead of our atrocious downright orientalist practice of naming things after politcians.>>65544304Kek. Maybe they'll have the whitest man in Argentina become the generalissimo
>>65544304They're basically Neapolitan Italians, really iffy on whiteness there
>Invade Not happening in at least 100 years. Sucking Israel's and US's cock is our last strategy for getting the islands back.
That's the smashing thing, they don't.
>>65537996>>65541003https://youtu.be/syZ7Kl6P6gA?si=MrZwN7Lp_P5mJXoY>Where is Captain Nelson now that sailed the Agamemnon?>Fought and beat the Spanish crews in Cape St. Vincent Bay>Oak and iron and blood of her, his fine one, his darling>Broach the keg of brandy, boys, and send him far away
>>65544279what you fail to realize is that there was ever only one "authoritarian clusterfuck" choking you.if the bong government wanted to they could have blocked everything on the EU level.but they didn't because they liked what the EU was doing.now that you've left the EU it's the self same people doing what the EU would have dine but turning it up a notch or two on the national level>muh two partyand there's the problem, no amount of bitching about the EU is going to change that.the UK is fucked because of the first past the post county system. Brexit was and is a very good way of distracting from how utterly fucked your national election system is.UKIP didn't have a single seat in the house of commons but had seats in the EU parliament. why? because like it or not it's electoral system isn't as fucked as yours. and instead of fixing it they got rid of the one system that manged to get them elected
How the FUCK does it take 12+ years to build a sub? Do they build a little bit of the hull then just wait a few months before building the next part?Or is the entire hull built in a couple of years and then they spend the next decade fitting the internals?I just don't understand how it can be that slow.
>>65537990>Realistically, how does Argentina deal with that if it wants to invade the Falkland islands?What exactly was Argentina's plan before they got the subs?
>>65538218>If you hate shitskins flooding in to the West, you must be Russian!yawn
>>65545106Shitskins are turdies who support Russia Russia is known to amplify false narratives that the UK’s growing pains with immigrants in an open society is somehow comparableNobody is falling for your shit, btw
>>655450551: Smoll navy, pls understand (no need for bigger fleet)2: need to keep factory running until the next gen is on the building block
Thanks America for killing Australia's submarine program 4 times in a row. You killed our procurement from France, you killed our joint procurement from the UK, you killed our domestic program then took 170 billion dollarydoos as downpayment for subs you then refused to hand over.The only reason other allied counties have subs is that they resisted american industrial sabotage
>>65539923if the UK nuked Buenos AIres, Argentina would likely cease to exist as a functioning state
>>65545225>Argentina would likely cease to exist as a functioning stateCant kill something that was never alive to begin with
>>65545225If the UK nuked buenos aires, the country would start thriving, ask the provinces
