Let me guess, you need more?
Yes, I need a heavy stubber in a man portable form.
>>65544704where is the armor penetration sonny
>>65544704>punches with a .50 cal anti materiel round force>no recoil>no bullet drop>500 shots per mag>can shoot on full autowhy is the las rifle so mocked?
>>65544704Personally I'd like a Accatran IV model. Double the power packs, and you have a deal
>>65544715You can leave it in the sun or throw it in a campfire to recharge the battery. It's logistically the most perfect weapon ever concieved, and perfect for an army of untold billions.
>>65544704Nope. That’s just about perfect. Thank you.
>>65544715>>punches with a .50 cal anti materiel round forceThis isn't how most depictions portray it. It's about as lethal as a autogun, which are somewhat more lethal than modern firearms when made well.>>500 shots per magdepends on which author you talk to but I personally think the 40-100 (really more like 40-70) cell capacity at autogun lethality is the optimum range of shots narrative wise. It's still good logistics and shot capacity but still lets autoguns have their niche of multi ammo and highly rapid fire without that being a massive fucking meme.
>>65544704Why yes, I do.>>65544715>why is the las rifle so mocked?Because it's primitive for the standards of the setting. It's the equivalent of bringing a Mosin-Nagant to a modern battlefield, it does the job sure but be honest, you would want to upgrade if you can.
>>65544865>It's the equivalent of bringing a Mosin-Nagant to a modern battlefield,No, that would be literally bringing a mosin-nagant, which you'd probably find people using on some random imperial world.Or more to the point THE FUCKING ORKS AND THEIR SHOOTAS.Trying to shit on the guard has gotten too hamfisted, the lasgun might be humble but its nowhere near that obsolete.
>>65544874>Trying to shit on the guard has gotten too hamfistedI mean they just make it so easy when they go into battle shirtless with axes
>>65544883Tell that to the aliens whose skulls now adorn his belt
>>65544889And that's nice and all but against all the aliens that actually get represented on the tabletop it's not really gonna work.
>>65544898Catachans make it work easily enough
>>65544910
>>65544910Catachans are not normal. In a different timeline Carachan would be a marine recruiting world.
>>65544916Well thats also true of the Kanak Skull Takers, who are noted as being larger and stronger than normal men and also come from a hellish world. So why are you bitching about them.
>>65544923My point was of course Catachans make any task requiring physical strength look easy, so saying quit your bitching and just do it because the catachans do it all the time is not an effective method of motivation. In universe they are jokingly referred to by other regiments as baby ogryn.
For me it's the heavy bolter
>>65544898>And that's nice and all but against all the aliens that actually get represented on the tabletop it's not really gonna work.Armageddon Ork Hunters
>>65544704Yes, yes I do.
>>65544704YesMore men with lasguns
>>65544715All that makes it fantastic against your fellow man, by itself though it's not quite adequate against hordes of 2 meter tall screaming mushroom men who can survive dismemberment and decapitation, all devouring swarms of psychic bug-dinosaur monsters, or literal demons alongside deranged power-armored supersoldiers with blessings from evil gods. Even then, volume can prevail as always.
>>65544941I apologize for this post. I didn't realize it was a strictly warhammer thread. I thought it was a general "fictional weapons" thread.
>>65544715>bulletits a laser retard
>>65544704I'll be over here with my space garand as the Omnisiah intended.
>>65544704I'm more of a galvanic rifle man myself. Arc rifles are nice too.
>>65545017projectile drop then, happy?
>>65544715>The las gun killed most enemies of mankind, too bad we're stuck with the ones it didn'tits just another aspect of the grimdark setting, other than meme designs like the laslock a lasgun of any kind will outperform most conventional weapons
>>65545037>>65545035>>65544865>>65544708>>65544704What the fuck even are small arms?
>>65545285Those right there?
>>65544916Why ISN'T it an Astartes recruiting world? You'd think some chapter or other would be falling over themselves to get their hands on those bastards.
>>65544704>Goyhammer 40k.The state of nu /k/ is really embarassing.
WH40K is a shit IP for retards. It was the slop that existed before slop was named. It was the ur-slop. It gathered every sci fi concept it could and put them together in one pot of homogenized slop. If you like this, people will think less of you.
>>65544941>Graviton Wave ProjectorBased.
>>65545546Star Wars is far worse, but yes your general point is correct. Lots of shitty attempts to shoehorn straight up fantasy or historical aesthetics into a grimdark space setting with little attempt at making it make sense.
>>65545535Separation of powers. Catachan was earmarked for the Guard so its off limits to them. Besides, they have plenty of other deathworld to recruit feral humans from and they can do autistic shit like have 1000 kids fight to the death so they can recruit the one that lives.
>>65544704Why yes, I’d rather have the humble railgun
>>65545601Almost all sci-fi is like that.Star Trek, the shit that retards constantly jerk off about being oh so scientific and high-minded, has various sorts of literal space gods who can literally do absolutely anything by sheer magic.
>OUT OF MY WAY MARINE FUCKING SHITS
>>65545546Counterpoint: I like throwing dice with my friends to make my golden demigods blow up his egyptian robots.
>>65544704>>65544708Go back to >>>/tg/ virginimax
>>65545705What kind of faggot are you to have that shit saved?
>>65545601>straight up fantasy or historical aesthetics into a grimdark space setting with little attempt at making it make senseThat's the fun bit.>>65545966>oh so scientific and high-minded, has various sorts of literal space gods That's also the fun bit.
>>65546181>he doesn't remember decades worth of search phrases to find that one specific image he wants to post
>>65544707
>>655455434chan is a 40k site, dumbass
>>65544715>50 callmao no. Think back to the context of the time: these ideas were invented by British nerds in the 1980s Cold War. Lasguns are a L1A1/FAL/SLR rifle with a space magazine of 10x the laser bullets for logistics. That's why they have slower ROF than a autogun like the G11 or M16.>>65545601>order a burger>aaaaaa you gave me a burger!It's the point. Other science fiction of the time was busy going for hard realism or beige utopian monoliths. 40k is explicitly space-fantasy. It's Somali technicals in space, but for British whites in a Russian dystopia.
>>65546412There's multiple kinds of lasgun with varying rates of fire and other shit.
>>65546418Of course, now that decades of slop have been generated. I'm just telling you how it originally started. Plasma guns are 106mm recoilless rifles with no backblast because science fiction btw.
>>65546418>>65544708>>65544704Those fucking horrendous grip angles and lengths of pull in those shitty stocks anger me, i hate guns designed by nerds who can't shoulder real rifles
>>65546514Other awful examples of shitty fictional goes to Fallout 4, where everything design and writing-wise is dogshit, hell throw Starfield onto those counts as well.
>>65544715Mostly because it is frequently pitted against ceramite or tyranids which can resist it for a few shots.
>>65545535Catachans don't submit to authority, they do not mesh with astartes doctrine.
>>65546520>where everything designI still liked the laser rifles, but they just copied them from F3 anyways.
>>65546520Every gun is shitty and unsatisfying I'm fallout 4. Except the pirate ship cannon that one's pretty fun. I installed a ptrs mod that was pretty good but it made the game way too easy. Cyberpunk has good weapon design though, and the guns are all satisfying to blast with.
>>65546181>What is Google
>>65546412My point was that its dumb to just do a straight 1:1 of Victorian British troops and just replace their falling blocks with lasguns. Its lazy, nonsensical, and breaks any immersion, which is the most important part of any setting IMO.
>>65547077Well the biggest point of the Imperium is that it’s retarded and self-defeating so stuff not making sense does make sense for them
>>65547077>Its lazy, nonsensical, and breaks any immersionthat's kind of the point. WH40K is a quasi-satirical universe. imperium tech being retarded makes sense because the entire empire runs on angry schizo dogma.
>>65546168>be 10,000 year old demigod with the best equipment and training available to a galaxy spanning super empire>get your organs liquefied by a there armed doofus that strapped a mining laser to his space toyota.
>>65544715Because the standard pattern does literally as much damage as a flashlight against the Imperium's more powerful foes. Ork Boyz can just shrug it off. Traitor Astartes will charge right through massed volleys. Good luck hitting Eldar with it. Can't do much against the sheer mass of waves of Tyranids. lol Necrons. LOL Demons. Tau, who cares?
>>65545546Kind of agree. Its the temu version of a whole lot of IPs GW couldn't get the licence for (SMs being literally the stormtroopers from a failed SW bid); which would be fine if such a facile setting were treated as such, but 40k discussions are always so granular and serious. People often pay lipservice to it being satire, but I don't think that's actually been true in decades. Certainly orks being football hooligans isnt a particularly current social commentary, but even if it was, neither GW nor the modern playerbase seem to engage with the setting with the understanding that its just a thatcher-era /pol/ shitpost in model kit form.
>>65547774>loreMeanwhile, barring a streak of bad rolls, the Avatar of Jobbing will table Angron 1v1 more often than not.
>>65544715>punches with a .50 cal anti materiel round forceGo back to spacebattles you fuckin no guns retard.
>>65544874>Trying to shit on the guard has gotten too hamfistedThere are guardsmen regiments using bows and arrows.
>>65544898>surely my superior speed will let me win
>>65547780>neither GW nor the modern playerbase seem to engage with the setting with the understanding that its just a thatcher-era /pol/ shitpostIt wasn't then, either. The lead writer for the first few editions of 40k has shot it down. It was intended as a big anything goes setting where you could use whatever models or armies you had and it had a sense of humor, but you weren't supposed to find the whole thing funny.People say the whole thing is a parody or something because people cannot take anything seriously anymore. Everything has to be one big gag now. Everyone has to tug on their collar and say "erm, who writes this crap?!?!?".
>>65544715> .50 BMG like terminal effectsNo anon. The typical lasgun can't do this. They mostly have been described as around typical .30 cal rifles with a few special high power ones at their highest yield reaching close to .50 BMG. Also most have somewhere between 50-100 shots at their medium setting, maybe at low power you can but unless you're fight a hoard of like children or ratlings why?
modern 40k writing and its fans are a cancer.
>>65547944Are you familiar where that stupid fannon estimate comes from?
>>65544715>why is the las rifle so mocked?Short answer being that basically every other army in 40k has armour, biology, or both that can shrug off lasfire and weapons that literally make it look like a flashlight. What makes it effective is the sheer number of guardsmen all shooting at you, and the tanks and artillery those guardsmen come with.
Brainbug writing cancer, that's the problem when fanboys become writers and start making memes into fact.
>>65544865Why is a plasma weapon rifled?
>>65549737to impart a spin to the plasma bolt to stabilize it as it travels through the air. Duh.
>>65549737>>65550225Everything is better if it spins.
>>65549737makes the plasma drill into the target
>>65550709row row fight the powha
>>65549737it's too advanced for you to understand, gue'la.
>>65546253>grip is above the gun's action>huge beefy handguard anywaysasuga
>>65549547Pretty much this:>Necrons have living metal bodies that’s highly resistant to damage and self-repairing>Orks are 8 feet tall meat slabs who can endure a lot of punishment and not quite die>Tyrannies are highly adaptive and adopt laser resistant chitinous carapaces that is hard for lasguns to damage>Even your basic Tau Firewarrior is equipped with Karskin-tier armor and a solid chunk of them are flying around in more heavily armored battlesuits>The Eldar likewise have at least Karskin-tier armor (sometimes better) and are just harder to hit in the first place
Would artillery even work against them, it takes a shell 30-60 seconds to travel to its grid, and by then a marine wont have stayed in the same place
>>65553391> AoE / Clusters> Leading> Dump loitering AP What's the story on normal power armor vs these things?Basically irl everything gets penetrated regardless. What penetrates this in 40k vs normal human power armor?
>>65553991>What penetrates this in 40k vs normal human power armor?Tabletop a SM is now 5, previously 4 toughness, with a save of 3+ and two wounds.A cadian weapons squad firing an autocannon have two attacks (roll twice), strength nine, so they have bonus to-wound-roll since they're over the marines toughness 5 (previously a bigger bonus since it used to be double), AP -1, so the marines save goes from 3+ to 4+, and damage three, so if it hits them and it wounds, they die. So, like, with a small arm you're very unlikely to kill them, but once you get to HMGs and autocannons they need to be wary, and when you go up to AT munitions they need to not get hit or they'll suffer.Astartes, when not being wanked, are deadly because they're solid like 7/10s at everything, so you can put them up against any enemy force with an equivalent force and have a solid chance of their victory. Of course, it's a marine protagonist universe, so most characters are marines who recieve plot armor.
>>65554245>have a solid chance of their victoryHypothetically, anyways.
>>65554245A krak missile is 1 attack S9 AP-2 with D6 damage, for comparison.
>>65554245Primaris marines were the dumbest fucking cancer inflicted on 40k, now even space marines are jobbers when it comes to marine wank.
>>65545705based
>>65553991>> AoE / ClustersThey have more armor than a bmp so anything thats not a near miss wont have energy to penetrate the armor, the enchanced biology should also provide protection from thermobarics >> Leading>> Dump loitering APWith the autosense(basicaly what the f35 does with target sharing) they have better chances of shooting down a drone than humans,
>>65544865>It's the equivalent of bringing a Mosin-Nagant to a modern battlefieldThe Mosin-Nagant doesn't only do the job, its a weapon that's still as effective as it goes. The problem with lasguns is that they are underwhelming compared to what the competition brings, which is explosive mini rocket-like bullets, dissolving projectives in the form of gauss, plasma which is the bigger and meaner big brother of laser in 40k, and so on. With that said, the lasgun does have a a bit of an ace: In Gaunt's Ghosts, a guardsman cooked the battery of his lasgun to kill a single chaos space marine by overcharging it, which caused the commissar of his unit to give him a long lecture after ruining the weapon
Stop bumping this /tg/ spam thread
>>65544704Settle down children, we have mastered the art of war long before your kind ever left it's primordial soup.
>>65556084
>>65545705Whatever happens, we have got,The railgun and they have not.
>>6554470440k weapons are so fucking ugly
>>65545543>40k haterNormies get the fuck off my board
>>65556259Normies are the fans of 40k these days
>>65555309>They have more armor than a bmpthat's not saying much
>>65556275>>65555309> 152/155mm (msta, equivalents) take out TANKS if landing within THIRTY fucking meters/yards. BMPs and Space Crayon Eaters stand no chance.https://funnyjunk.com/channel/military-war/Who+says+dumb+artillery+rounds+cant+kill+armor/njLtLaw/https://funnyjunk.com/channel/military-war/Who+says+dumb+artillery+rounds+cant+kill+armor/njLtLaw/
>>65556326This is a great reference for dunking on science fantasy supersoldiers dreamed up in the 1980s, but I have to point out that its military merits are typically exaggerated and misunderstood; because most people posting it don't appreciate the military context. Look at the units of fire, the timelines involved, the armor used, and finally the logistical train.If you use 2x more ammo than a normal day of combat to focus fire on stationary targets in the open for hours with famously minimal armor, you can kill almost half of them. Contrast that with trying to shoot at moving tanks with heavy armor! To the military eye of the time, this was basically a white flag or a blatant cope from the dumb artillery era's last fans when confronted with the modern guided weapons of the 1990s. Their world was dominated by tanks because of these statistical relationships, and now suddenly tanks were deprecated by guided weapons and air power, and they were trying to pretend they could do it too.
>>65556344They can though, a 155mm shell doesn't cost shit and you can saturate an area ahead of the target. Can they maneuver? Sure. Can they maneuver out of half a grid square reliably? Not so much.
>>65556379Tanks driving at 45mph cross one and a half grid squares in one minute, anon. In typical Eastern Euro terrain for the Cold War, tanks could have physically overrun that test artillery battalion before it finished the first quarter of its firing schedule.
40K is something very clearly made by fat gay british atheists, for fat gay british atheists.doesn't stop me from enjoying it though.
>>65556760Why is that plasma gun so tiny?
>>65557335Attempting to closer emulate the size of your weenus. Iteration still ongoing.
>>65549225Imperial Armour and the exact quote is "21 megathoules" (yes that's how it's spelled) and Spacebattles which are a bunch of noguns fucking NERDS somehow went "lol lasguns can blow off limbs!" While completely ignoring that Heavy Stubbers (spess heavy machine guns) do 1 more point of damage. A lasgun is similar to Stubbers/Autoguns which are just modern guns. However the ease of use and logistics of being able to recharge your power cells by simply leaving them in the sun cannot be understated.
>>65556454Yet that is not how it actually works in the field.
>>65557615>which are a bunch of noguns fucking NERDS somehow went "lol lasguns can blow off limbs!"That'd be because that's what they literally do in fluff, retard.
>>65557645No. Hellguns do, but not Lasguns.
>>65557615>>65557645>>65559161I bring canon video evidence. Granted these are hotshot las guns(carbines but that just means they have a little less range), but they are still blowing fist sized glowing holes in those pathfinders and vespids.
>>65559799Whoops, forgot my video link.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr4FSwSRuNU
>>65557859What exactly is the benefit of making it a gyrojet and not just having a larger powder charge?
>>65559799>hotshot las guns(carbines but that just means they have a little less range)Hotshots and hellguns have always been depicted as notably much stronger than regular lasguns and are designed for fighting armor, which lasguns aren't. These ones are unusual in that they aren't fully plugged into a backpack like the regular ones, but they're still distinct weapons from regular lasguns.
>>65557645lasguns = 762 NATO FMJhellguns = 50 BMG API
>>65544916Genetic instability. Ogryns are prevalent on Catachan, and a lot of humans there are part ogryn but passing as baseline. The planet serves the emperor better as a regimental homeworld than as an astartes tithe world.
>>65545037>>65545035More a space Johnson. Look at the rotary magazine and how the forend is shaped to meet it.
>>65544704I picked up a copy of the Dune 2019 board game (might be a while before I find anyone willing to learn and play it), and the Lasgun in the Dune lore creates a nuclear explosion of random size, strength, and location along the beam, if the beam ever makes contact with someone wearing a shield, even a personal one. I don't know much about Dune, but it makes sense that many fights are done in CQC for a reason. Kekked hard when I read the card lol.
>>65546418I will always maintain that the Ryza pattern was a port-firing weapon for a vehicle whose STC template has been lost, but gets issued anyway because it was the only lasgun pattern some forge world had access to at the moment.
>>65544939Digganobz?
>>65544715>punches with a .50 cal anti materiel round forceDepends on the las rifle>run of a mill Guard lasgun5.56 or 7.62 NATO at the most>Hot Shot Marksman Las RifleProbably the .50 cal you're talking about.
>>65545017No bullet drop because there is no bullet, bro
>>65560639Nah, Digganobz are 'umies wot fink dey're Orks. Armageddon Ork Hunters are veteran Guardsmen gone Rambo against Orks in particular.
>>65560691>Armageddon Ork Hunters are veteran Guardsmen gone Rambo against Orks in particular.FAK U, DIGGANOBZhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y29aGTbg62A
>>65559803I'm happy to see Imperial drones.
>>65545007This anon gets it from a broader strategic view, so I'll add my own thoughts.A one-size-fits-all template, while sufficient in some if not most cases, doesn't account for variations.While a lasgun may work well against smaller organic beings, how well will it do against say necron warriors with their self-repairing necrodermis armor?We actually have an answer to that in an indirect way. When comparing the damage of a DAoT volkite gun(think of a lasgun on steroids) performed exceedingly well against fleshy targets, but was considered inferior to boltguns against armored foes.
>>65560429Yeah, the aquilons have special magazines they use for jumping so the wires don't interfere with the drop. After they land(and clear out anyone lurking on their LZ)they have the cable connections to a backpack generator like standard hotshots(you can see one of the aquillons plugging his in after they confirmation kill the pathfinders).
>>65560626That's not a magazine, it's a battery, galvanic rifles use electromagnetism to propel rounds, not a powder charge. You can see it in Darktide, they reload through the top of the action with en bloc clips like a grand. Hence people calling it a space garand.
>>65560780The imperium has drones for days, they just usually take the form of little floating skulls or lobotomized convicts that have their arms replaced with heavy bolters/heavy arc rifles/plasma cannons.
>>65544913>my bare chest counts as flak armor
>>65561226>looks like a Johnson>reloads like GarandSeems like Heretek to me.
>>65561583You will respect the works of Arch Magos Bubba.
>>65560630In the lore, it’s either the shield wearing individual, the lashing, most often both and its yield is determined by how powerful the shield is keyed up.
>>65560630Dune is so fucking retarded.
>>65561819It's an exact analogy for the early Cold War period's escalation dynamics which makes retards seethe because everything they don't understand and every exception or loophole they find has been preemptively debunked and explained by dead white male strategists. The harder they cope the deeper the rebuttals get.
>>65560336Gyrojet/RAP shells neutralize the effect of wind.
>>65561853That breaks down when any jihadi can just pump a small arm into your facility walls and cause a nuclear blast.
>>65561865>you're now aware that in Dune, the atriedes [sic] slept in deep underground bunkers on dune to avoid explosions from smuggled lasguns with clockwork timers hitting their castle shield until they'd jackbooted the city door to doorYou've got an entire world waiting to unfold buddy. Start with Liddlehart's post WW2 take on atomics for the tactical vibe then do Barringer, then Northedge-Donelan for the background, or you can skim Herman Kahn. And keep in mind Dune was written pre-GWOT. It was Swords of the Caucauses (or modern Ukraine), not The Management of Savagery.I leave you with this famous quote from Lt. Col. John Paul Vann: “This is a political war and it calls for discrimination in killing. The best weapon for killing would be a *knife,* but I’m afraid we can’t do it that way. The worst is an airplane.”In science fiction, they could do it that way.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Raptors_(Chapter)>there's a MACV-SOG space marine chapterBased
>>65561819Why IS it considered the greatest science fiction novel ever written?
>>65561979Old ways can be the best
>>65561377Can't you flex hard enough to deflect bullets?
>>6556220490% of Sci-Fi is total slop. So is a lot of everything else but it's acute there.
>>65561979>>65561865>>65561853>>65561816>>65560630Everyone forgets that use of nuclear weapons (House Atomics) was strictly forbidden by treaty, and enforceable by the Navigator Guild. The blast caused by shield/laser interaction is indistinguishable from a nuclear device being detonated, and since both parties involved wpuld blame the other, there is the imminent risk that the Navigators would simply say "fuck all of you", refuse to provide space travel services, and both warring parties wpuld see their entire fiefdoms starve and die in isolation. The only reason Paul Atriedes got away with using his house's atomics was that he specifically used them only to target to ring wall, and he himself was sufficiently prescient to be able to disregard the threat of the Navigators withholding services. For anyone else from any other house, it would have been dynastic suicide.
>>65562069Some of the other chapters even shit on them for fighting like non retards and changing their armor colors to better blend into the environment(actually using camouflage).
>>65562228Funny how all of that is really thrown out the window after he became emperor
>>65562216Because applying principles makes shitty context/content?
>>65562400Like I said, Paul is the only person who can disregard the rules, because his own prescience allows him to circumvent the Navigator guild. This really comes.into play with Leto II, who became the god-emperor. Paul an hero'd in the desert because he was blind, and failing to do so wpuld have cost his dynasty the loyalty of the fremen, who were still an essential tool at that time.
>>65562424No anon, I’m looking down the line at Chapterhouse
>>65557643Nigger you'd need like three entire arty battalions on an area denial fire mission across a few grid sqaures if you were hoping to catch fast movers with overpressure and some of them are still going to reach the guns if they arent protected by entrenched infantry or preferably their own armor >modern ifvs and tanks are sealed against overpressure anyway so you're back to trying for mechanical kills or cratering so hard they cant drive out of it
>>65562470Well, once you've become an immortal, living God after merging physically and mentally with a sandworm, you can do anything you want. No one's going to stop you.
>>65562228You idiot, any suicidal terrorist could cause all that by just shooting any random shield with any random laser because they WANT to see the world burn.
>>65562228>The only reason Paul Atriedes got away with using his house's atomics was that he specifically used them only to target to ring wallaka cheap writer's fiat
>>65562933Not really. He specifically, intentionally acted in accordance with existing rules of warfare. He also seized control of the single spice producing planet in the universe at the same time, so he had the guild by the balls. Even if the Navigators had tried to cut him off, Paul had the means and the will to destroy all the spice and the means to produce more. He only played by the rules to maneuver into a position to where he no longer had to.
>>65545543Get the fuck off 4chan normalfag
>>65562870Except fuck
>>65560637Good theory I will now also be thinking this.
>>65563646Also possible it was originally intended for skitarii before galvanic rifles and radium carbines became widespread. No stock because a cybernetically enhanced super soldier wouldn't need one.
>>65560637The AdMech slap things onto STC tech all the time, there's nothing stopping them from slapping a stock onto that thing unless it's a pattern derived from a genuinely 100%-intact STC printout, but such a thing doesn't exist. Although I guess it would be be appropriate to the setting as there's a certain amount of dark humor in having the only intact STC be of a stockless lasgun.
>>65551107For beating heretics over the head with. I'd still prefer Gunner First Class Jurgen's meltagun.
>>65544715It already killed just about every alien that is vulnerable to it.
>>65563840Also 90npercent of the guards documents are to put down rebelling PDFs/governors that are getting too big for their britches. Against most of those, which are usually even more poorly equipped than the guard, lasguns and flak vests are more than enough. Then you have the even more poorly equipped worlds that may not even be at industrial revolution level tech, to them the IG's gear may as well be magic.
>>65561819NO FUN ALLOWED
>>65544704Humans use primitive weaponry, just a bit above monkeys.
>>65565173>a fish calling a monkey primitiveAdorable.
>>65565188>The bug calling the worm a nigger
>>65566324Remind me, who had to hide in a tomb for 65 million years? WIH was an uncontested eldar victory, bring whatever half baked arguments you have as to why umm akshually the necrons wanted the eldar to be in charge for longer than some planets have existed. Bony bois lost.
>>65564289>Also 90npercent of the guards documents are to put down rebelling PDFs/governors that are getting too big for their britchesNo? Most guardsmen are sent into the giant meatgrinder wars. And even the 'rebellious planets' aren't exactly a walk in the park for the average trooper.I don't know why people are so insistent on making life in the guard way better than most sources ever depict it as. They're entirely disposable meatshields in most cases. Even elites like Cadians get thrown around like fodder by Command.
>>65544774FRENCH
>>65566351Yes, that is what most engagements for the guard are. They don't get stories written about them because "And then the guard showed up and steamrolled the locals with almost no resistance" doesn't make for a very interesting story. Is guardsmen life easy? No easier than life in any other military that ever existed, but that whole average life expectancy of 15 hours shit is not the norm.
Needs a Cawl pattern Lasgun, basically the Lasgun is obsoleted and given to planetary defense force units, Arbites and regular militia while the standard IG grunt gets effectively a slightly better Hellgun while Stormtroopers get improved human sized boltguns that does the same damage as standard sized Astartes onesOr even better IG grunts get Volkite weaponry just like their predecessors
>>65567010Votann sort of have that in the hylas autorifle. Just get Cawl a working example and he could probably reproduce it, like those primaris reiver masks that are clearly knockoff versions of eldar howling banshee masks.
>>65566405>Yes, that is what most engagements for the guard areCrazy how that's not reflected in almost any of the lore.>They don't get stories written about them Because it's not actually where a majority of guardsmen go, whether pre or post rift.>but that whole average life expectancy of 15 hours shit is not the norm.The munitorum manual specifically states that the average guardsman is expected to die within his first six months after being recruited into the guard. Not on the battlefield, from the moment he gets tithed.>No easier than life in any other military that ever existedDefinitely a lot harder.>but that whole average life expectancy of 15 hours shit is not the norm15 hours at the contact line with many enemies of the Imperium is pretty reasonable, actually.I don't understand the obsession with 'reasonifiying' the Imperium. Life in the Imperium is brutish, short, and outright cruel, and so is life in the guard. A guardsman is nothing more than meat for the grinder unless he's part of some elite unit or under a particurally competent commander. They're not a gothic version of the UNSC.>But it's not reasonable that they'd survive!Wasn't called the time of endings because things were going well.
>>65567127Here's the imageboard tax.
>>65567127>Not reflected in the loreAh yes, just like every eldar farseer ever has only ever gotten huge amounts of eldar killed, yet they are somehow still respected advisors to every eldar leader. I repeat: the stories where everything goes off flawlessly for a given faction don't get written about because that doesn't make for a compelling narrative. Just like there are a million worlds in the imperium that are all tithing to the imperial guard(minus those earmarked for space marine recruitment)but we only ever hear about the same dozen or so regiments. No one wants to hear about the bumfuck primus regiment that went to some uninhabited paradise world and then stayed there and became the PDF.
>>65567154If you want to think of the Guard as a more edgy version of standard sci-fi army than you can, you're just wrong. Most guardsmen are sent directly into conflict zones where they are needed, and they are needed because guardsmen drop like flies and their lives are totally unvalued by their command. Sorry that impedes on your self-insert fantasy or your GWOT larp projection.
>>65567169Question, do you understand scale? Because I don't think you do.
>>65567169>>65567139>>65567127This clearly doesn't make any sense, there are veteran guard units that serve in tons of campaigns, some even disband and settle conquered worlds. Theres clearly enough of a survival rate for unit lore to be passed down, guardsmen having kids, etc. I guess Gaunts Ghosts/Tanith First and Only don't exist.
>>65547867That's PDFs of Feudal Worlds.You gotta remember that IG is not the only "normie human" fighting force in the Imperium
>>65567471>Theres clearly enough of a survival rate for unit lore to be passed down, guardsmen having kids, etc. I guess Gaunts Ghosts/Tanith First and Only don't exist.Yes, there's guardsmen who survive 20+ years. There's veteran guardsmen who survive even longer. It happens. It is not average. Even most Cadians die, they just do the weeding out early on with whiteshields.>>65567404'Scale' means that the relatively small suppression forces are in fact the minority compared to 'oh fuck there's a giant rift in the galaxy everybody needs to fight demons' or 'another ork warlord is bearing down on twelve sectors', yes. There were more soviets riflemen on the frontlines fighting the germans than there were in the rear cleaning up partisans.
>>65568954As for unit lore, a lot of them are flat-out reconstituted from small veteran cadres or flat out from nothing. The Cadian 8th was reconstituted many, many, many times, for instance. Some regiments have more of a direct link, like vostroyans, who do reinforcements, but most serve until they die.as for resettlements this explictly is not something most guardsmen get to do. happens, again, it's a thing that's noteable, but most will never live to see it. Should've put this with the other post but whatever.
>>65568962I really should learn to put everything in one fucking post, but it's noteable that this has not always been this way. The Imperium was decaying on every single level since the Heresy (or the war of the beast if you want to be contrarian). The guardsman of M41 is a lot worse off than the guardsman of M34. You can say it's not sustainable, that it doesn't work, and that it's not possible for them to have survived with that, and it's all completely true. Just as their automation and technology gradually failed them and they relied more and more on brute labor, they relied more and more on brute manpower to win wars, which naturally resulted in a much higher casualty rate.
