Let me guess, you need more?
Yes, I need a heavy stubber in a man portable form.
>>65544704where is the armor penetration sonny
>>65544704>punches with a .50 cal anti materiel round force>no recoil>no bullet drop>500 shots per mag>can shoot on full autowhy is the las rifle so mocked?
>>65544704Personally I'd like a Accatran IV model. Double the power packs, and you have a deal
>>65544715You can leave it in the sun or throw it in a campfire to recharge the battery. It's logistically the most perfect weapon ever concieved, and perfect for an army of untold billions.
>>65544704Nope. That’s just about perfect. Thank you.
>>65544715>>punches with a .50 cal anti materiel round forceThis isn't how most depictions portray it. It's about as lethal as a autogun, which are somewhat more lethal than modern firearms when made well.>>500 shots per magdepends on which author you talk to but I personally think the 40-100 (really more like 40-70) cell capacity at autogun lethality is the optimum range of shots narrative wise. It's still good logistics and shot capacity but still lets autoguns have their niche of multi ammo and highly rapid fire without that being a massive fucking meme.
>>65544704Why yes, I do.>>65544715>why is the las rifle so mocked?Because it's primitive for the standards of the setting. It's the equivalent of bringing a Mosin-Nagant to a modern battlefield, it does the job sure but be honest, you would want to upgrade if you can.
>>65544865>It's the equivalent of bringing a Mosin-Nagant to a modern battlefield,No, that would be literally bringing a mosin-nagant, which you'd probably find people using on some random imperial world.Or more to the point THE FUCKING ORKS AND THEIR SHOOTAS.Trying to shit on the guard has gotten too hamfisted, the lasgun might be humble but its nowhere near that obsolete.
>>65544874>Trying to shit on the guard has gotten too hamfistedI mean they just make it so easy when they go into battle shirtless with axes
>>65544883Tell that to the aliens whose skulls now adorn his belt
>>65544889And that's nice and all but against all the aliens that actually get represented on the tabletop it's not really gonna work.
>>65544898Catachans make it work easily enough
>>65544910
>>65544910Catachans are not normal. In a different timeline Carachan would be a marine recruiting world.
>>65544916Well thats also true of the Kanak Skull Takers, who are noted as being larger and stronger than normal men and also come from a hellish world. So why are you bitching about them.
>>65544923My point was of course Catachans make any task requiring physical strength look easy, so saying quit your bitching and just do it because the catachans do it all the time is not an effective method of motivation. In universe they are jokingly referred to by other regiments as baby ogryn.
For me it's the heavy bolter
>>65544898>And that's nice and all but against all the aliens that actually get represented on the tabletop it's not really gonna work.Armageddon Ork Hunters
>>65544704Yes, yes I do.
>>65544704YesMore men with lasguns
>>65544715All that makes it fantastic against your fellow man, by itself though it's not quite adequate against hordes of 2 meter tall screaming mushroom men who can survive dismemberment and decapitation, all devouring swarms of psychic bug-dinosaur monsters, or literal demons alongside deranged power-armored supersoldiers with blessings from evil gods. Even then, volume can prevail as always.
>>65544941I apologize for this post. I didn't realize it was a strictly warhammer thread. I thought it was a general "fictional weapons" thread.
>>65544715>bulletits a laser retard
>>65544704I'll be over here with my space garand as the Omnisiah intended.
>>65544704I'm more of a galvanic rifle man myself. Arc rifles are nice too.
>>65545017projectile drop then, happy?
>>65544715>The las gun killed most enemies of mankind, too bad we're stuck with the ones it didn'tits just another aspect of the grimdark setting, other than meme designs like the laslock a lasgun of any kind will outperform most conventional weapons
>>65545037>>65545035>>65544865>>65544708>>65544704What the fuck even are small arms?
>>65545285Those right there?
>>65544916Why ISN'T it an Astartes recruiting world? You'd think some chapter or other would be falling over themselves to get their hands on those bastards.
>>65544704>Goyhammer 40k.The state of nu /k/ is really embarassing.
WH40K is a shit IP for retards. It was the slop that existed before slop was named. It was the ur-slop. It gathered every sci fi concept it could and put them together in one pot of homogenized slop. If you like this, people will think less of you.
>>65544941>Graviton Wave ProjectorBased.
>>65545546Star Wars is far worse, but yes your general point is correct. Lots of shitty attempts to shoehorn straight up fantasy or historical aesthetics into a grimdark space setting with little attempt at making it make sense.
>>65545535Separation of powers. Catachan was earmarked for the Guard so its off limits to them. Besides, they have plenty of other deathworld to recruit feral humans from and they can do autistic shit like have 1000 kids fight to the death so they can recruit the one that lives.
>>65544704Why yes, I’d rather have the humble railgun
>>65545601Almost all sci-fi is like that.Star Trek, the shit that retards constantly jerk off about being oh so scientific and high-minded, has various sorts of literal space gods who can literally do absolutely anything by sheer magic.
>OUT OF MY WAY MARINE FUCKING SHITS
>>65545546Counterpoint: I like throwing dice with my friends to make my golden demigods blow up his egyptian robots.
>>65544704>>65544708Go back to >>>/tg/ virginimax
>>65545705What kind of faggot are you to have that shit saved?
>>65545601>straight up fantasy or historical aesthetics into a grimdark space setting with little attempt at making it make senseThat's the fun bit.>>65545966>oh so scientific and high-minded, has various sorts of literal space gods That's also the fun bit.
>>65546181>he doesn't remember decades worth of search phrases to find that one specific image he wants to post
>>65544707
>>655455434chan is a 40k site, dumbass
>>65544715>50 callmao no. Think back to the context of the time: these ideas were invented by British nerds in the 1980s Cold War. Lasguns are a L1A1/FAL/SLR rifle with a space magazine of 10x the laser bullets for logistics. That's why they have slower ROF than a autogun like the G11 or M16.>>65545601>order a burger>aaaaaa you gave me a burger!It's the point. Other science fiction of the time was busy going for hard realism or beige utopian monoliths. 40k is explicitly space-fantasy. It's Somali technicals in space, but for British whites in a Russian dystopia.
>>65546412There's multiple kinds of lasgun with varying rates of fire and other shit.
>>65546418Of course, now that decades of slop have been generated. I'm just telling you how it originally started. Plasma guns are 106mm recoilless rifles with no backblast because science fiction btw.
>>65546418>>65544708>>65544704Those fucking horrendous grip angles and lengths of pull in those shitty stocks anger me, i hate guns designed by nerds who can't shoulder real rifles
>>65546514Other awful examples of shitty fictional goes to Fallout 4, where everything design and writing-wise is dogshit, hell throw Starfield onto those counts as well.
>>65544715Mostly because it is frequently pitted against ceramite or tyranids which can resist it for a few shots.
>>65545535Catachans don't submit to authority, they do not mesh with astartes doctrine.
>>65546520>where everything designI still liked the laser rifles, but they just copied them from F3 anyways.
>>65546520Every gun is shitty and unsatisfying I'm fallout 4. Except the pirate ship cannon that one's pretty fun. I installed a ptrs mod that was pretty good but it made the game way too easy. Cyberpunk has good weapon design though, and the guns are all satisfying to blast with.
>>65546181>What is Google
>>65546412My point was that its dumb to just do a straight 1:1 of Victorian British troops and just replace their falling blocks with lasguns. Its lazy, nonsensical, and breaks any immersion, which is the most important part of any setting IMO.
>>65547077Well the biggest point of the Imperium is that it’s retarded and self-defeating so stuff not making sense does make sense for them
>>65547077>Its lazy, nonsensical, and breaks any immersionthat's kind of the point. WH40K is a quasi-satirical universe. imperium tech being retarded makes sense because the entire empire runs on angry schizo dogma.
>>65546168>be 10,000 year old demigod with the best equipment and training available to a galaxy spanning super empire>get your organs liquefied by a there armed doofus that strapped a mining laser to his space toyota.
>>65544715Because the standard pattern does literally as much damage as a flashlight against the Imperium's more powerful foes. Ork Boyz can just shrug it off. Traitor Astartes will charge right through massed volleys. Good luck hitting Eldar with it. Can't do much against the sheer mass of waves of Tyranids. lol Necrons. LOL Demons. Tau, who cares?
>>65545546Kind of agree. Its the temu version of a whole lot of IPs GW couldn't get the licence for (SMs being literally the stormtroopers from a failed SW bid); which would be fine if such a facile setting were treated as such, but 40k discussions are always so granular and serious. People often pay lipservice to it being satire, but I don't think that's actually been true in decades. Certainly orks being football hooligans isnt a particularly current social commentary, but even if it was, neither GW nor the modern playerbase seem to engage with the setting with the understanding that its just a thatcher-era /pol/ shitpost in model kit form.
>>65547774>loreMeanwhile, barring a streak of bad rolls, the Avatar of Jobbing will table Angron 1v1 more often than not.
>>65544715>punches with a .50 cal anti materiel round forceGo back to spacebattles you fuckin no guns retard.
>>65544874>Trying to shit on the guard has gotten too hamfistedThere are guardsmen regiments using bows and arrows.
>>65544898>surely my superior speed will let me win
>>65547780>neither GW nor the modern playerbase seem to engage with the setting with the understanding that its just a thatcher-era /pol/ shitpostIt wasn't then, either. The lead writer for the first few editions of 40k has shot it down. It was intended as a big anything goes setting where you could use whatever models or armies you had and it had a sense of humor, but you weren't supposed to find the whole thing funny.People say the whole thing is a parody or something because people cannot take anything seriously anymore. Everything has to be one big gag now. Everyone has to tug on their collar and say "erm, who writes this crap?!?!?".
>>65544715> .50 BMG like terminal effectsNo anon. The typical lasgun can't do this. They mostly have been described as around typical .30 cal rifles with a few special high power ones at their highest yield reaching close to .50 BMG. Also most have somewhere between 50-100 shots at their medium setting, maybe at low power you can but unless you're fight a hoard of like children or ratlings why?
modern 40k writing and its fans are a cancer.
>>65547944Are you familiar where that stupid fannon estimate comes from?
>>65544715>why is the las rifle so mocked?Short answer being that basically every other army in 40k has armour, biology, or both that can shrug off lasfire and weapons that literally make it look like a flashlight. What makes it effective is the sheer number of guardsmen all shooting at you, and the tanks and artillery those guardsmen come with.
Brainbug writing cancer, that's the problem when fanboys become writers and start making memes into fact.
>>65544865Why is a plasma weapon rifled?
>>65549737to impart a spin to the plasma bolt to stabilize it as it travels through the air. Duh.
>>65549737>>65550225Everything is better if it spins.
>>65549737makes the plasma drill into the target
>>65550709row row fight the powha
>>65549737it's too advanced for you to understand, gue'la.
>>65546253>grip is above the gun's action>huge beefy handguard anywaysasuga
>>65549547Pretty much this:>Necrons have living metal bodies that’s highly resistant to damage and self-repairing>Orks are 8 feet tall meat slabs who can endure a lot of punishment and not quite die>Tyrannies are highly adaptive and adopt laser resistant chitinous carapaces that is hard for lasguns to damage>Even your basic Tau Firewarrior is equipped with Karskin-tier armor and a solid chunk of them are flying around in more heavily armored battlesuits>The Eldar likewise have at least Karskin-tier armor (sometimes better) and are just harder to hit in the first place
Would artillery even work against them, it takes a shell 30-60 seconds to travel to its grid, and by then a marine wont have stayed in the same place
>>65553391> AoE / Clusters> Leading> Dump loitering AP What's the story on normal power armor vs these things?Basically irl everything gets penetrated regardless. What penetrates this in 40k vs normal human power armor?
>>65553991>What penetrates this in 40k vs normal human power armor?Tabletop a SM is now 5, previously 4 toughness, with a save of 3+ and two wounds.A cadian weapons squad firing an autocannon have two attacks (roll twice), strength nine, so they have bonus to-wound-roll since they're over the marines toughness 5 (previously a bigger bonus since it used to be double), AP -1, so the marines save goes from 3+ to 4+, and damage three, so if it hits them and it wounds, they die. So, like, with a small arm you're very unlikely to kill them, but once you get to HMGs and autocannons they need to be wary, and when you go up to AT munitions they need to not get hit or they'll suffer.Astartes, when not being wanked, are deadly because they're solid like 7/10s at everything, so you can put them up against any enemy force with an equivalent force and have a solid chance of their victory. Of course, it's a marine protagonist universe, so most characters are marines who recieve plot armor.
>>65554245>have a solid chance of their victoryHypothetically, anyways.
>>65554245A krak missile is 1 attack S9 AP-2 with D6 damage, for comparison.
>>65554245Primaris marines were the dumbest fucking cancer inflicted on 40k, now even space marines are jobbers when it comes to marine wank.
>>65545705based
