How are the tanks doing in Ukraine?
Russia just blew up a animal shelter in Odessa and a Tu-95MS Bear crashed in Amur if you're curious.
>>65548993raped by drones, more on the (3x more)russian sides than ukranian though.
>>65549006You will never be a human being, dalit.
>>65548997They blew up a barracks with their own personnel?
>>65548997>a Tu-95MS Bear crashed in AmurIn an air base named Ukrainka of all things.
>>65549004Damn is there any footage? Are tanks obsolete?
>>65549042are you retarded, or did you just wake up from a coma?
>>65549048I don't keep tabs on the latest in military theory, one of the reasons I made this thread but go ahead and enlighten me with your wisdom oh all knowing faggot
>>65548997>Three engines failed during takeoff after which it crashed.There's your material fatigue right there.
>>65549020The simulation is getting quirky.
>>65549010That's rude. Think what an animal would feel if you compared it to a pidor.
>>65549072educate your own damn self you lazy subhuman
>>65549150Cool, is there perchance a weapons photo board that focuses on technology used in combat I can inquiry to?
>>65549166try reddit.com
>>65548997Never a day where something didn't humiliate the great mudda russia once again
>>65549172Never heard of it? A place you frequent often?
>>65549271Any vids of tank combat?
>>65549186shills constantly seetherussia constantly gets humiliatedI'm still not convinced that there's any significant correlation
>>65548997Perfidious hohly have trian their animal as weapon (warcrime). Mighty Rasha is attack problema at its source (not warcrime).
>>65549209Shut the fuck up, underage faggot. You are amusing no one.
>>65549463>t. noguns tourist
>>65549487if you weren't a tourist you'd know the answer to your question.anyways, uh, kinda, yeah. there is footage. tanks aren't useless but the current scenario in donbass means that armored breakthroughs are no longer a viable method of war.
any new footage of the abrams? I haven't kept up with the war in ages and I want to see what my beautiful boy is up to, last I saw he was shooting armor piercing rounds into a grain elevator
>>65549356Why did this dudes post get deleted?>>65549495That wasn't me lol
>>65548993Bit outdated, but it gets the message across.
>>65548993>Leopard 2 variantsIn service with multiple Ukrainian units.https://militaryland.net/equipment/leopard-2/>AbramsCurrently not operated by any Ukrainian units.https://militaryland.net/equipment/m1-abrams/
>>65548993>Leopard faster than the AbramsIs that true? Doesn't the Abrams have a disgusting fuckoff turbine engine that makes it one of the faster MBT's?Or is it just that top speed is misleading?
>>65550706>comparing absolute numbers instead of ratiosSmartest mutt
Can someone answer the op Why is this place now filled with more petty shitflinging than pol>>65550909Turbine means insta torque speedNot top speed.Top speed means nothing anyway abrams is still speed king
>>65550918Ah OK, I figured it was something like that. Thanks for the explanation, obligatory (you)
>>65548997BOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIIIIIIIISSSS YOU WON'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT YOU CUNT, I SWEAR!
>>65548993>How are the tanks doing in Ukraine?by numbers quite well>74 Leopard 2 transferred>21 confirmed destroyed, 1 captured, likely ~10 more hit or destroyed but unknowngenerally considered to outgun any T‑72/T‑80/T‑90 variant and much higher crew survivabilityUkraine has said themselves it's (one of) their most effective tank(s)the main explanation for the highish losses is that they use them so much and combined‑arms enablers (which Leopard 2s are designed around) are missingalso worth notingmost confirmed Leopard 2 losses are from the 2023 offensive where they just got blown up by anti tank mines
>>65550933Fascinating, as it's been brought up before. I was curious on how tanks were performing in drone warfare and assumed they were being bullied. But I didn't assume an outright doing away of tanks so I image either side has a time and place on where to activate them
>>65551079>how tanks were performing in drone warfare and assumed they were being bulliedthey kinda arethat's why you rarely get to see new drone videos of tanks getting blown up, mostly APCs if anyRussia still uses them whenever, but with cope cagesUkraine mostly at focused advances (not that loses would be any lower there) or defensivedrones also aren't the "end" of tanksdepending on the model and attention of the crew, it'll take dozens of hits to destroy or even just stop a tankif you're mindful on where you use them, with some defense layers, tanks are still completely viable and even necessary Leopard 2s are most likely not used as spearhead in assault though
>>65550912Based on that graphic the ratio is about 500 to 1.If you mean ratio of fielded vs lost then Russia had ~10,000 tanks in 2022 and has lost 4,400 or 44%.80 Abrams have been sent to Ukraine with 25 lost or 31.25%.
>>65550912Can you not do math?
>>65551202>has lost 4,400That is a bit much isn't it?
>>65551272I default to Oryx because of the autistic levels of detail they put into everything.They have 4,441 visually confirmed tanks.https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
>>65549426Druid country
>>65551272That's the absolute lowest number possible. The real total is likely significantly higher (losses which cannot be visually confirmed)
what is the point of tanks anyway ? I get that it used to be the ability to bring heavy and accurate firepower with the troops where they needed it, as well as engaging enemy armor, all that while protecting the crew. Now with drones you get all of that for such a low cost, FPVs can recon and destroy threats well in advance of the guys on the ground, while recon drones get you non stop surveillance. Using tanks literally make no sense anymore.
>>65551406Completely useless is too strong. I can still see where in certain areas tanks can impose a threat to enemies
>>65551406wrong, you are retarded.
>>65551406>Meme answer for retardsIt's a heavily armored vehicle that can engage and destroy any level of enemy armor at any practical range, and can also do the same against fortified positions. Like a heavy hammer, it is not the best tool against every nail, but eventually you need it.>Serious answer for actual discussionNigga it's an armored fuckoff-huge cannon on treads how fuckin cool is that, everyone wants that
>>65551406Mobile field gun with enough armor to operate close to the infantry to support them. Primary job is to make the thing that infantry doesn't want to approach not exist anymore.Without some major armor meta development the effectiveness of EFPs is likely going to split the role in two different evolutions. Lighter faster disposable gun cars and larger guns with further range so they can have more stand off (at some point though this just becomes an SPG).
>>65551470But why bother when drones can do the same job for for so much less. Would you prefer to deploy 4 tanks or 1000 FPVs ?Which one will do a better job at wiping out any threats you might encounter ?>>65551485>Nigga it's an armored fuckoff-huge cannon on treads how fuckin cool is that, everyone wants thatYeah that's about the best argument, woks well for 10yo but a lot less if you actually have to pay for that shit, or worst if you actually have to be the one in the tank ...
>>65551513The best way to understand the use of a tank is to think about the evolution of needs that lead to this point.>Infantry encounters contact behind a wall so you want the shell the wall with HE. You bring a towed field gun but it's really only got a front armored plate and the enemy is shooting at your gun crew so they can't fire the cannon.>make a metal box around the gun crew so that they're safe from the machine guns shooting at them and they can fire the cannon. But now the towed gun is heavy and hard to tow.>put your armored gun on a chasis so it can drive itself forward to travel with the infantry.This is the evolution of the MBT concept not the actual development history of tanks.
>>65549009Rude. Wasting resources on quadrupeds when there's not enough food to go around is bad strategy and the Russians are actually helping the war effort. Cringe that the Russians can't manage to not destroy their own stuff all the fucking time. It's like they're a comedy villain.
>>65550918Always remember that Abrams is a ballerina not a sprinter.
>>65551562I'm not stupid I understand why tank were needed drones can do exactly what you describe>Infantry encounters contact behind a wall so you want the shell the wall with HE>they call an FPV which has been on standby a few hundred yards back >it take about 30 sec to arrive and the operator know exactly what to hit because he has been monitoring the situation in real time >target is destroy without risking any tank crew or risking million dollars worth of vehiclethey are literally doing this right now in Ukraine but I guess we should keep spending billion and risking lives because it doesn't look as cool
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>>65551406With many hedgehog tanks taking 30+ drones to kill a MBT throwing darts is still the most effective way to kill armour.All that's changed is we need to develop point defence systems for them so they can keep doing what they do best.Also all the videos of guys throwing mines with grenade fuses through windows, with a tank you can do the same thing from 5km away.
>>65548993>German tank range: 500km>Berlin to Warsaw distance by road: 475kmhmmm......
>>65551585>it take about 30 sec to arriveThis is why nobody takes droneniggers seriously.Sorry tanks aren’t obsolete, kid.
HOW MUCH LONGER CAN THIS WAR POSSIBLY GO ON?
>>65548993Despite all logic, the Leopard 1A5s are still in operation.
>>65552881Putin can't accept a peace that doesn't come with enough gas fields to pay back the Russian oligarchs that lost billions.Ukraine can't accept a peace that costs them their gas fields without having a third world economy and being easy picking for a future Russian invasion.The only way this ends is with Swan Lake followed by the new Russian president blaming Putin for everything and pulling out.
>>65548993I really don't want to see Nork tanks in Europe on behalf of Russia since Russia doesn't deserve the the DPRK spending lives in their behalf much less armor that took generations of labor to build up.On the other hand, i really want to see a reinforced Pyongyang Army Corps lead by the 105th Armored division smashing the ever living shit out of someone because it would be fucking awesome to watch on TV. .
>>65552997I sure would love to someday see in the news that Best Korea attacked Russia and took Vladivostok.
>>65553062The Norks still have a few schekels that they can wring out of Russia before that happens
>>65553062I've been gaming it out for over ten years, the general consensus it that the DPRK would beat the fuck out of Russia in the Pacific East. I've made threads about it every new years for over a decade. DPRK vs Russia is more or less Russia getting raped by a woodchipper. Unless the DPRK started the fight of course in which case Russia is fucked beyond belief.
>>65553077>The Norks still have a few schekels that they can wring out of Russia before that happensRussia doesn't have the money, they will get the 50k troops and the ammo and the KN-30s but that's it. The DPRK does not accept money unless it is in the form of Gold bars, machine tools or multi year megaton agricultural contracts. If the DPRK was willing to accept paper currency or promises they would just print them themselves.
>>65552997Why is it so comically huge
>>65551280>default to Oryx because of the autistic levels of detail they put into everythingi thought they are quite a bit behind because of time constraints?something like a year ago they had >1k hits / photos in their backlognot sure what's the current situation
>>65553081>machine tools or multi year megaton agricultural contractswhich is exactly the reason why we still see Norks every now and thenRussia can supply thatalso I think it's process knowledge as wellthere are multiple known cases where they had Russian manufacturing managers / experts go to best korea and help set up / optimize factories (likely as part of the defense deals)all pretty mundane stufflike one was a paper mill in unsan countystill significant because it helps best korea to modernize very quickly to an efficient economy
>>65553100My understanding is Oryx himself retired and some buddies of his took over but they have been just as autistic with it.
>>65548997The Bear did not crash, it is merely hibernating.
>>65548993whats rhe long stuff at the Leopard turret, surrounding the canon ?
>>65552857pic related is a road near Lyman where hundreds of FPVs are waiting to go smash into o whatever the front units need to be smashed
The age of tanks is not over yet: https://x.com/fortifiedtaras/status/2105629068691435681
>>65553081>"We don't need your paper money, we can print it ourselves."If they directly said that to Russia, my sides would be in orbit. I know north korea does lots of counterfeit money, but being so cheeky about it makes me laugh.
>>65553393kys zigger retard
>>65553393those are Ukrainians you dumb fuck
>>65549010kek
>>65553337I wish it’d be possible to tell what tank is underneath.
>>65553479Definitely not a western MBT. They wont be able to carry that much extra weight while moving that fast.
>>65553481One of them is definitely Slavshit because he doesn’t simply reverse but makes a U turn. Soviet godawful reverse gear strikes again.The other one is visibly larger and has a much bigger turret. That one could actually be western.
>>65553630those mudflaps go kinda hard damn
>>65553630That's some sexy netting.
>>65553330was this from a week or two ago? Or sometime over the last two years
>>65553630Oplot is the only t-series I don't hate, for some reason.
>>65548997>Tu-95MS Bear crashed in AmurFor a whatever reason, the Polish Air Force commander decided to comment on the matter"Perhaps this was the specific aircraft that carried the Kh-101 which ended its flight in Poland".
>>65553872There is already a thread for this.
>>65552781>assault barns>overweight way over spec which kills their suspensions>engine overheating>can't turn its turretthose merely illustrate how niche tanks are now. Simply built because they have the hulls sitting around, doing nothing. Crude, disposable solution trying to get assault meat closer to its target before they get droned (again). I doubt they even issue main caliber ammo to them anymore so they don't kill everybody as soon as the first heat round pierces the barn
>>65553863I liked it back in the teens, before this whole SMO mess.
>>65553879>before this whole SMO mess.Sure, but first you must denounce Ukraine as a sovereign state as a proof.
>>65553879>>65553935I still like the look of a lot of Russian kit, I just wouldn't want to have to fight with it after seeing how they perform.The BMP-2 is still sexy as fuck, it's just a death trap.
>>65552901It has nothing to do with resources. Putin is a communist boomer spy who thinks that the fall of Prison of Nations was the worst geopolitical happening of 20th century. Do the math.
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>>65548997What does that have to do with tanks?
>>65553935Yeah, no.
