Meme's aren't truth but my whole life the vibe about vietnam was that it was a mud crawling shotgun range tunnel crawling HELL.Having read a dozen or so personal account books, it doesn't seem more war-crimey or hellish than ugly parts of WWII pacific, and possibly less cold (considering Korea).So let's rack up the parts that DO meet the legend. Post "The Deer Hunter" bad times in the jungle, where the trees speak vietnamese.
https://history.army.mil/portals/143/Images/Publications/catalog/70-4-1.pdfThis has some stuff. I've read books on: LOHC scout pilots, tunnel rats, UDT/seals, FOB posted infantry, fighter pilot/top gun creation, Jamie Boss on being a mechanic lol, being a mustang officer, being a commissioned officer direct, and "The Things They Carried" about retarded brass in washington, a few more.There just wasn't any "well the kids crying was annoying so we called in a mortar" or "I bushwacked for a week with patrols trying to find me, then they burned my toes off".
>>65557851Honestly I think its more the tone of the war setting peoples attitudes for it. WW2 was a righteous strike back against some slant-eyed animals who had murdered thousands of Americans in an unprovoked attack while they were having breakfast. There were shit parts, but nothing worthwhile ever came easy. Vietnam on the other hand was just some colonial security shit that just got dumped on our lap after the French found it too hard to deal with themselves, so we were just expected to fix it for them. We didn't have a stake in it, which I think made people more acutely sensitive to the shit parts.
>>65557869That's the thing. The WWII pacific was jungle. Mud. Blade like grass. Mortar poundings.Was it being less mobile? 6 months in the same shit hole is more intense than 6 months in 3 shit holes? Was it media(enstein)?
Maybe another big part of the image was the transition in mental health from "huh you're fucked, here's a bed on a tard ranch" to "well let's look at his psyche like a wrist watch repairman".
>>65557898>Was it mediaProbably just that. The media/ powers went all in on selling WW2, whereas were always ambivalent at best towards Vietnam. It was probably much better to be a soldier in Vietnam than in the Pacific jungle. I mean, certainly. Fighting Vietnamese would be way better than fighting Japs.War against fascism gets romanticized, war against communism demonized. That's it.
>>65557851I recall a story my dad told me once, something about how they made a village march into some lake or pond or something and dumped white phosphorus in there with them, so it would burn them on contact with the air when they tried to come up out of the water. I think he said something like he recalled a medic organization, Red Cross maybe, trying to get them out. I don't remember why he said they did that, probably retaliation for getting ambushed or because they were aiding the VC. He said that scene in particular stuck with him because of how fucked up it was.
Wonder what the rock apes tell their offspring when it comes to their service in the Vietnam War pelting both sides
>>65557970>rock apesThe RAF Regiment fought in Vietnam or what...?
>>65557974How have you not heard of the orangutan like bipeds known as rock apes that would harass soldiers on both sides of the war with rocks and other manners?
>>65557964Your dad was lying to you
>>65557864>"well the kids crying was annoying so we called in a mortar">"I bushwacked for a week with patrols trying to find me, then they burned my toes off"
>>65558001I highly doubt that. He's not the type to even exaggerate
I'd put money on SOME more casual horror than WWII. Alien people, strange landscape full of temple shit nobody understands, conscription (or being poor and no choices) all can add up to even anti war people lashing out in a moment.>>65558016The dopest MC
>>65557851>>65557898I really don’t understand what the big mystery here is supposed to be. WW2 and Korea were conventional military conflicts, with one side facing another. Obviously there were complicated political and strategic factors involved, but you generally had a clear enemy and clearly defined borders. Vietnam was fundamentally different. it was a high-level insurgency that was handled by five presidential administrations, which at times had radically different approaches to the war. As a result there was never a clear, consistent goal or objective.Then there were the inherent problems of counterinsurgency. the difficulty of distinguishing civilians from guerrillas, the frustration and impotence of wanting to simply bomb everything into submission and the fact that the war became increasingly unpopular at home.
>>65557964Was it a first-hand account or not? Because it sounds like one of those boomer myths, like the female vietcong sniper who supposedly wounded, captured and castrated wayward little GI's on patrol.
>>65558151>Was it a first-hand account or not?Yes, it was a firsthand account, as I previously mentioned. My father is a Vietnam marine corps veteran, and he's not the type to lie about his experiences, but if any of you would rather believe it didn't happen, so be it.
>>65557851The one from the Chickenhawk nook where they're pinned down by mortars but Korean allies are dropped nearby, go into the woods and come back with mortars and bags of enemy's heads.
>>65557851I went there last year and what no media conveys is how thick the jungle and plantations are.If guys are keeping their mouth shut I can see how engagements started at 20 meters.
>>65557851The shit I’ve read about MACV-SOG was actually insane. Units technically had greater than 100% casualty rates and 150 to 1 kill ratios. Larry Thorne had probably one of the most insane lives I’ve ever read. His entire life was basically a suicide mission. He served the Finnish army, waffen SS, and the US military. He hated commies and escaped multiple military prisons.
>>65557851The mass rape and destruction of villages by both sides kinda sucked.
>>65558258>suckedand fucked
>>65558270What blew up in Russia now, Ivan?
>>65558258Post a single source on Americans raping villagers.
>>65558255>the communists votedLmao kill yourself
>>65558317>Cancellation of Elections (1956): South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem, backed by the United States, refused to participate in the scheduled nationwide vote because he feared a communist victory, preventing the planned democratic choice.Sorry, tried to vote for communism.
>>65558335The vietcong literally destroyed entire villages to threaten people into supporting them, leftist bandits do not understand democracy
>>65558277That movie with Sean Penn, Marty McFly and Dr Steve Bruhl
>>65558342https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong_and_People%27s_Army_of_Vietnam_use_of_terror_in_the_Vietnam_War
>>65558374>Partial list of attacks and incidents>The communist-led Viet Minh started a ‘Red Terror’ following the 1945 August Revolution,[4] sanctioning the killing of rivals and non-compliant groups across Vietnam.[5] Following the 1954 partition of Vietnam, assassinations and similar activity in South Vietnam was organized via "special activity cells" of the VC. As the conflict continued, efforts were centralized under the VC Security Service, estimated to number 25,000 men by 1970.[6]
>>65557851>forgetting the burma campaignpacific wasn't shit
>>65558277>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre
>>65558472This is on par with those blue jew MP edits of d-day, because you just can't tell that they're Jewish (and evil and bad and that you should hate them) unless someone scribbles it out for you with a magic marker.
>>65557851'Things They Carried' has some interesting stories regarding guys drowning in mud in rice fields and other things as per the author's firsthand account
>>65557851My friends dad in Boy Scouts was a combat MP in Vietnam. He used to tell a story how across from his HQ was a abandoned hotel where the Vietminh/Montagnard would hobble and torture french pow's in the 40's and 50's. He said he would see figures in the windows and hear random screams when on watch at night coming from there.
>>65557851I had an uncle who once was ordered to blast a tree full of monkeys with 90MM canister, because they flung shit at his CO's track.He had a lot of other VN stories but they were typical "army" tanker shit. Another uncle was a helo pilot. He had an 8mm film cam and filmed a LOT of what he did.Yeah. I saw those films.Apparently 2.75" rockets will punch through a human body without detonating. Also 20MM cannon make things go away.
>>65557974Nick Brokhausen mentions them in his books, they were a beloved delicacy of his Montagnard soldiers. I think they were gibbons.
>>65559085>Yeah.>I saw those films.Yeah....Whoa dude....Like....messed up brah
>>65558540That shit was fiction and the author finally admitted as much when he got called out. I started to read it until it sdtarted to sound like a middle school kid's war fantasy. He was there adn probably saw some shit, but most of that book was made up.
>>65557851>>65558151An American Carroll Alan Ladd said in his memoir that an American army employee got his penis cut off by a Vietnamese woman.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17990193/Does anyone have records of patients at the Third Field Hospital in Saigon so he can be identified?https://books.google.pl/books?id=PXY-EAAAQBAJ&pg=PA33#v=onepage&q&f=false>Another one of our employees ended up in the hospital because he got his penis cut off. The story goes that his girlfriend, who was from Vung Tau, had threatened that if he cheated on her, she would cut it off. She was true to her word. It scared the hell out of a lot of other Americans who had foreign girlfriends that had said the same thing to them. Some of the guys left their girlfriends. The man had to be transferred to the Third Field Hospital in Saigon.
>>65559800Another American in Saigon during 1960s said that it was normal for Vietnamese women to cut off their lovers penis for cheating and American men were terrified their Viet girlfriends and wives would do ithttps://books.google.pl/books?id=EzhuAAAAMAAJ&q=%22%0D%0A%0D%0AFrom+various+Vietnamese+women,+including+the+one+who+gave%0D%0Ame+the+r%C3%A9sum%C3%A9+of+the+novel+War,+I+tried+to+understand+how+they+felt+about+marriage,+love+and+American+men.+It+soon+became+clear+that+although+Vietnamese+women+enjoyed+sexual+love,+and+talked+about+it+with+candour+and+even+earthiness,+they+did+not+see+it+as+any+more+than+a+pleasant+bonus+to+a+romantic+affair+or+marriage+.+They+were+not+obsessed+by+sex+,+as+many+Americans+were+even+then+,+in+the+mid+-+1960s+,+before+the+full+impact+of+the+Permissive+Society+.+However+,+Vietnamese+women+were+capable+of+tremendous+rage+and+even+physical+violence+against+unfaithful+husbands+and+lovers+.+The+Americans+in+Vietnam+were+obsessed+with+castration+dread+;+not+the+psychological+phobia+but+the+actual+fear+that+their+girlfriend+might+castrate+them+.+I+heard+it+said+by+one+American+,+married+to+a+Vietnamese+,+that+he+went+to+bed+each+night+in+terror+of+losing+his+genitals+.+%27+He+nearly+loses+%22+It+%22+was+the+famous+Vietnam+Guardian+headline+over+the+story+about+a+woman+who+just+failed+to+sever+her+husband%27s+penis+.+One+respectable+Saigon+housewife+told+me+(+rather+too+often+)+the+tale+of+a+woman+who+took+a+knife+and+went+to+her+husband+when+he+slept+and+cut+off+his+sexual+organs+.+As+he+woke+up+roaring+with+pain+and+stag-+gered+toward+the+door+,+she+continued+pricking+him+with+the+knife+so+that+he+died+a+lingering+death+.+In+court+she+defended+herself+by+saying+that+his+behaviour+over+the+last+few+years+had+been+a+slow+death+to+her%22Title War and Peace in VietnamAuthor Richard WestPublisher Sinclair-Stevenson, 1995Original from the University of MichiganDigitized Sep 3, 2008ISBN 1856195236, 9781856195232Length 365 pages
>>65559857Page 17>From various Vietnamese women, including the one who gave me the résumé of the novel War, I tried to understand how they felt about marriage, love and American men. It soon became clear that although Vietnamese women enjoyed sexual love, and talked about it with candour and even earthiness, they did not see it as any more than a pleasant bonus to a romantic affair or marriage . They were not obsessed by sex , as many Americans were even then , in the mid - 1960s , before the full impact of the Permissive Society . However , Vietnamese women were capable of tremendous rage and even physical violence against unfaithful husbands and lovers . The Americans in Vietnam were obsessed with castration dread ; not the psychological phobia but the actual fear that their girlfriend might castrate them . I heard it said by one American , married to a Vietnamese , that he went to bed each night in terror of losing his genitals . ' He nearly loses " It " was the famous Vietnam Guardian headline over the story about a woman who just failed to sever her husband's penis . One respectable Saigon housewife told me ( rather too often ) the tale of a woman who took a knife and went to her husband when he slept and cut off his sexual organs . As he woke up roaring with pain and stag- gered toward the door , she continued pricking him with the knife so that he died a lingering death . In court she defended herself by saying that his behaviour over the last few years had been a slow death to herhttps://books.google.pl/books?id=VOwnAAAAMAAJ&q=%22was+the+famous+Vietnam+Guardian+headline+over%22&dq=%22was+the+famous+Vietnam+Guardian+headline+over%22Title Victory in VietnamAuthor Richard WestEdition illustratedPublisher Private Eye Publications Limited, 1974Original from the University of MichiganDigitized Jan 29, 2007ISBN 0233966110, 9780233966113Length 196 pagesPage 187
>>65559860>second alternative ending in the form of an epilogue years later . Dao has married Casey and lives with him in a big villa on Nguyen Du Street . Hiep, who has lost his ideals, now teaches at a private school in another part of Saigon. He sees Dao only to borrow her card to shop at the US army store, the PX, to buy a bottle of whisky and 'get drunk and forget about life'. From various Vietnamese women, including the one who gave me the résumé of the novel War, I tried to understand how they felt about marriage, love and American men. It soon became clear that although Vietnamese women enjoyed sexual love, and talked about it with candour and even earthiness, they did not see it as any more than a pleasant bonus to a romantic affair or marriage . They were not obsessed by sex , as many Americans were even then , in the mid - 1960s , before the full impact of the Permissive Society . However , Vietnamese women were capable of tremendous rage and even physical violence against unfaithful husbands and lovers . The Americans in Vietnam were obsessed with castration dread ; not the psychological phobia but the actual fear that their girlfriend might castrate them . I heard it said by one American , married to a Vietnamese , that he went to bed each night in terror of losing his genitals . ' He nearly loses " It " was the famous Vietnam Guardian headline over the story about a woman who just failed to sever her husband's penis . One respectable Saigon housewife told me ( rather too often ) the tale of a woman who took a knife and went to her husband when he slept and cut off his sexual organs . As he woke up roaring with pain and stag- gered toward the door , she continued pricking him with the knife so that he died a lingering death . In court she defended herself by saying that his behaviour over the last few years had been a slow death to her
>>65559905https://books.google.pl/books?id=7DrRAAAAMAAJ&q=%22second+alternative+ending+in+the+form+of+an+epilogue+years+later%22&dq=%22second+alternative+ending+in+the+form+of+an+epilogue+years+later%22>... second , alternative ending in the form of an epilogue years later . Dao has married the engineer and lives with him in a big villa on Nguyen Du Street . Hiep , who has lost all his ideals , now teaches at a private school in another ...Page 81Title Sketches from VietnamAuthor Richard WestIllustrated by Gerald ScarfeEdition illustratedPublisher Cape, 1968Original from the University of MichiganDigitized Feb 12, 2009ISBN 0224613456, 9780224613453Length 171 pages
>>65557851This story was related to me by my parents, who were part of a cult like from Wild Wild Country many years ago. There was a guy there who was soon involved in several mafia-style killings, and eventually chopped his wife up, put her body in his trunk, and it showed it to someone, permanently mentally scarring them. Eventually he was put in prison, and the psycho claimed that what really pushed him over the line was an experience in Vietnam where someone got gutshot while the whole unit was pinned down by snipers and he had to spend the whole night slowly hearing the other soldier bleed out and beg for water. Whether the story is true or some kind of psychopath power-lie I couldn't even tell you.
>>65559860Page 187>Vietnamese women, just like American men, are business-minded but not necessarily greedy. >Vietnamese women are unsentimental; they do not whisper sweet nothings. Nor are they , like the Americans , obsessed and anxious about the act of sex . They can be downright about their physical feelings sometimes to the point of bawdiness - but they are also romantic about their lovers . One girl I knew , who had fallen in love with an officer , told me she used to be whipped by her relatives because she would not marry the rich man they chose . The next time I met her , when she had married her officer , this romantic young lady gave me a very earthy account of how much she enjoyed being in bed with her husband . This mixture of earthiness and romanticism comes out in some old letters I have from a girl explaining how she wanted a co- habitation licence in order to lose her virginity before she or I was killed in the war . I declined this offer in what I hope was a tactful way but I later learned that she had been killed in one of the accidents that are common in Vietnam .
>>65559966>The Americans in Vietnam were obsessed with castration dread : not the psychological phobia but the actual fear that their girl friend might castrate them . I have heard it said by one American husband that he went to bed each night in terror of losing his genitals . I have never read or heard of an actual case of this happening to an American , but the castration cult does exist in Vietnam . ' Ne nearly loses " It " " was the famous Vietnam Guardian headline over the story about a woman who just failed to sever a lover's member . One respectable Saigon housewife has told me ( rather too often ) the fearful tale of a ' woman who took a knife and went to her husband when he slept and cut off his sexual organs . As he woke up roaring with pain and staggered towards the door , she continued pricking him with the knife so that he died a lingering death . In court she defended herself by saying that his behaviour over the last few years had been a slow death to her . ' Any man is bound to feel uneasy on hearing a story like that ; still more so an American with his cult SAIGON AGAIN 187.>that; still more so an American with his cult of the orgasm, his psychological worries and latent dread of women.One night in Saigon I was feeling depressed after two days at the heroin clinics described in part one. When the curfew
Pages 17-18>>65559905>Even as early as 1966 , the war had devastated the family system of South Vietnam , creating a class of 200,000 child delinquents . There were seventy - seven orphanages , though a survey revealed that three - quarters of those inside had one or both parents living . The American troops , being lonely and starved of family life , smothered these orphans and pseudo - orphans with money and gifts . ' Their over - generosity doesn't always help , ' said an Ameri- can adviser who showed me around some orphanages . He had had the same problem during the war in Korea , when the GIs made a pet of some particular child : ' One little kid of five had his own little uniform with sergeant's stripes , hand - made combat boots , two lockers ( one of them filled with candy ) , a private room with a folding bed and his tailored uniforms on a clothes - rack South Vietnam : 1966-7 17.>>65559910Page 27>same problem during the war in Korea when soldiers would make a pet of some particular orphan. 'One little kid of five had his own little uniform with sergeant's stripes, hand-made combat boots, two lockers (one of them filled with candy), a private room with a folding bed and his tailored uniforms on a clothes-rack. Nice deal! At every damned orphanage in this country you can see American servicemen giving
>>65557970all gave some, some gave all"ROCK EM BOYS"
>>65557851vietnam was trauma for boomers, because they had to live uncomfortably for a year at a time.
>>65558452that entire crock of shit, reeked of rabbi.
>>65559857>>65559860>>65559905>>65559910>>65559966Correction, Richard West was a British journalist and he spent two decades in Vietnam.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_West_(journalist)https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0749324503?lv=shuf&channelId=500&plpRedirect=mhFallbackhttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14806482-war-and-peace-in-vietnamhttps://www.abebooks.co.uk/first-edition/PEACE-VIETNAM-Richard-West-Sinclair-Stevenson-London/31853178102/bdhttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/27/richard-westHe and Carroll Alan Ladd both confirmed that Vietnamese women cut penises off for infidelity and one American got his penis cut and nearly every American with a Vietnamese girlfriend was scared every day they would lose their penis.
>>65557869>that just got dumped on our lap after the French found it too hard to deal with themselves, so we were just expected to fix it for them.God damn that is the most american take i have ever seen. Your poleticians absoloutly did not get it "dumped in their lap" you went in there willingly. It was you who insisted on sticking to some domino theory. It was you who wanted a rematch after Korea. It was you who had a psycho dictator installed in the south, makeing any peacefull end to the french mess take place.
>>65560261Faguette frenchman spotted
>>65560308>say that the french fucked it up and made a mess>get called French.This fucking site man...
>>65558452My Lai was just a fucking excuse made up by the gook as well as those journalist who hated the fact that the Vietcong was good at playing dumb until they got raped in '68 so hard they had to run to Cambodia and sucking Pol Pot cock.
>>65558016Kek
>>65557851Korea has some fucked up accounts. I dont care you are looking for Nam shit.
>>65557851I got one: the kids crying was annoying so we called in a mortar
>>65559939That's the kind of story a low IQ psychopath would say to an equally low IQ shrink who is a faggot or woman and believes it.
>>65559085You should buy the stuff to digitize the film. Don't show anyone else until your uncle is dead though lol.Also don't bring it to a fucking place to digitize it. They'll narc on you.Digitize it yourself, scrub the metadata and upload it here and archive.org
>>65561027https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=QaHvAAAAMAAJ&q=%22One+Jolo+fighter+reportedly+ambushed+and+mowed+down+40+Japs+with+his+tommie+-+gun+in+just+one+fight%22&dq=%22One+Jolo+fighter+reportedly+ambushed+and+mowed+down+40+Japs+with+his+tommie+-+gun+in+just+one+fight%22https://www.facebook..com/FactopediaHQ/posts/before-dawn-on-luzon-100-japanese-soldiers-stormed-private-john-mckinneys-post-a/122169802922816336/https://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/15/us/medal-of-honor-elude-jewish-veteran.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/17/us/veteran-denied-a-medal-sadly-vows-to-fight-on.htmlhttps://time.com/archive/6704234/the-army-an-honor-denied/
>>65557851PULL THE TRIGGER BLYTHE
>>65561027>>65562830https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-CBI-Command/USA-CBI-Command-6.html>In the course of the action between 13 and 16 June, a number of men in the small U.S. contingent distinguished themselves by their extraordinary bravery. Lt. Col. William H. Combs, who had been liaison officer with the Chinese 150th Regiment, died of wounds received while attempting to warn units of the 209th Engineers against a Japanese ambush. Pvt. Howard T. Smith took command of his platoon when the platoon leader was killed and the attack stalled by a Japanese pillbox. Smith assaulted the pillbox singlehanded and silenced it with hand grenades. Pfc. Willard J. D. Lilly destroyed an enemy machine gun firing into his own machine gun position. While under fire 1st Lt. Melvin D. Blair rescued wounded and silenced an enemy machine gun. Smith, Lilly, and Blair were veterans of GALAHAD. When his company was pinned down by machine gun fire, T/Sgt. Richard E. Roe of the New GALAHAD crawled forward and at the cost of his own life grenaded a Japanese machine gun that was causing heavy casualties. Fatally wounded, he gave his life to save--245--
>>65557869>Honestly I think its more the tone of the war setting peoples attitudes for it. WW2 was a righteous strike back against some slant-eyed animals who had murdered thousands of Americans in an unprovoked attack while they were having breakfast.Completely false and America provoked Japan into attacking.
>>65558016
>>65564084>if you don't fuel our wars of aggression you're provoking us!Got I hate weebs
>>65558240In the same vein there was a guy mentioned on the SOGcast that fought for the germans in Stalingrad and Normandy, then fought for the french in Dien Bien Phu, then joined SOG. He was killed by a landmine while driving around in a jeep. It’s Gene Pugh’s episode around the 19 min mark.
There are two kinds of vietnam novels....ones written by low iq draftees who couldnt figure out how to get out of the draft, and those written by professionals. The low iq guys are pretty good feels driven actual stories, but the professionals looked at it exactly like how it was a new era with its own unique challenges and ttps.Khe Sahn was hell on earth cause it was a siege. Hue was hell because it was close quarters street by street brawl. Tet surprised everyone and even our ambassador was spraying motherfuckers with a swedish K when we assaulted our own embassy, and the infiltrator sappers that got caught got public executions via .38 snub by the chief of saigon police. It was brutal.But there is a difference in 3rd generation profesional soldier describing reacting to contact and a mechanic whose dumbass LT decides to patrol right outside the fob for booby traps just to say he went outside the wire in 'nam, and if you dobt differentiate between the two youll come away with a really jaded view.Then there is kovacs and he was a decent Marine but guilt spiralled hard when he fucked up and blued his own dude and felt like he deserved to he paralyzed as punishment. Thats really just fucking despair porn.
Ron Kovic, not Kovacs, my bad.
>>65561027>>65562830>>65564030https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._McKinney>John Randolph McKinney (February 26, 1921 – April 5, 1997) was a United States soldier who received the Medal of Honor in World War II during the campaign to recapture the Philippines from Japanese forces in 1945. Although greatly outnumbered by about 100 Japanese soldiers, McKinney was single-handedly able to secure a crucial battlefield area before reinforcements arrived. He was presented the Medal of Honor in a White House ceremony by President Harry S. Truman on January 23, 1946.>McKinney enlisted in the United States Army from Screven County, Georgia in November 1942.[1] He served as a Sergeant in the United States Army.
>>65561027>>65562830>>65564030>>65565238>He fought with extreme gallantry to defend the outpost which had been established near Dingalan Bay. Just before daybreak approximately 100 Japanese stealthily attacked the perimeter defense, concentrating on a light machinegun position; having completed a long tour of duty at this gun, Pvt. McKinney was resting a few paces away when an enemy soldier dealt him a glancing blow on the head with a saber. Although dazed by the stroke, he seized his rifle, bludgeoned his attacker, and then shot another assailant who was charging him. Meanwhile, one of his comrades at the machinegun had been wounded and his other companion withdrew carrying the injured man to safety. Alone, Pvt. McKinney was confronted by ten infantrymen who had captured the machinegun with the evident intent of reversing it to fire into the perimeter. Leaping into the emplacement, he shot seven of them at pointblank range and killed three more with his rifle butt. In the melee the machinegun was rendered inoperative, leaving him only his rifle with which to meet the advancing Japanese, who hurled grenades and directed knee mortar shells into the perimeter. He warily changed position, secured more ammunition, and reloading repeatedly, cut down waves of the fanatical enemy with devastating fire or clubbed them to death in hand-to-hand combat. When assistance arrived, he had thwarted the assault and was in complete control of the area. Thirty-eight dead Japanese around the machinegun and two more at the side of a mortar 45 yards distant was the amazing toll he had exacted single-handedly. By his indomitable spirit, extraordinary fighting ability, and unwavering courage in the face of tremendous odds, Pvt. McKinney saved his company from possible annihilation and set an example of unsurpassed intrepidity.
>>65561027>>65565238>>65565239https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_T._Jacobson>Major Douglas Thomas Jacobson (November 25, 1925 – August 20, 2000) was a United States Marine who earned the United States' highest military honor — the Medal of Honor — for his heroic actions on Iwo Jima during World War II.[1] "Private First Class Jacobson destroyed a total of sixteen enemy positions and annihilated approximately seventy-five Japanese, thereby contributing essentially to the success of his division's operations." He was presented the Medal of Honor by President Harry S. Truman on October 5, 1945.[1]
>>65557864>There just wasn't any "well the kids crying was annoying so we called in a mortar" or "I bushwacked for a week with patrols trying to find me, then they burned my toes off".Implying 99.9% people who did one of the greatest taboos would talk about it afterwards lol
>>65560308NTA1. We absolutely had no obligation to go over there. And we ignored a million offramps on the way, as evidenced by Vietnam being the very definition of mission creep. Eisenhowers farewell address in 1960 specifically named the dangers of the MIC in a warning, and what did we do? Let them talk us into escalation in Vietnam.2. stop bullying France! They are our (actual) greatest ally>b-b-but IraqIraq did not in fact have weapons of mass destruction. We were wrong, and the French were right.
>>65564084>Completely false and America provoked Japan into attacking.YOU HAVE TO SELL US OIL TO FUND OUR EXPANSION!!!!!!!!!t. soiface IJA generals c. 1939
>>65564938Lots of pros hated the war with a depth conscripts could never even get a toe in.I would recommend>A Rumor of War by Phillip Caputo there's a scene I remember where they're about to fight some NVA regiment and another marine is like "huh? I was stationed in anoyher area and we completely wiped that regiment out. 'Totally destroyed'." and the CO says "oh yeah they've been completely reconstituted."There is another scene I remember they're about to go on this big operation against the Viet Cong/NVA, and they're planning for it, when at the last minute they have have most of their air support taken away because an ARVN general went rogue. And there is a scene where while they're rucking North, jets are screaming overhead above them going South to put down an uprising. And it's a very unsubtle "what the fuck are we even doing here?" moment.Imagine JFK saying "asking now what your country can do for you but, what you can do for your country" and actually giving everything you have to your country. Only to see the war as unwinnable, the Vietnamese people not even fighting as hard as we did, and boys dying for no reason.Ever learn about the Pentagon Papers? The big take away from those leaks was that even by the Pentagon's own assessment, we could not win the war the way we were fighting it. Imagine seeing your friends killed while the top brass know it's unachieveable.No even among the OG pros there was a lot of (often hidden) acknowledgement that we never should've been there.
>>65565359sorry for typos I just woke up lolbear with me
>>65565346>Eisenhowers farewell address in 1960 specifically named the dangers of the MIC in a warningLmao what a bitch>oh yeah guys by the way there's this really dangerous thing you need to look out for too bad it's my last day at the job where I could do something about it good luck
>65565368trolling is a art
>>65561027>>65565344https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy>Murphy mounted the abandoned, burning tank destroyer and began firing its .50 caliber machine gun at the advancing Germans, killing a squad crawling through a ditch towards him.[83] For an hour, Murphy stood on the flaming tank destroyer, returning German fire from foot soldiers and advancing tanks, and killing or wounding 50 Germans. He sustained a leg wound during his stand, and stopped only after he ran out of ammunition. Murphy rejoined his men, disregarding his own injury, and led them back to repel the Germans. Murphy insisted on remaining with his men while his wounds were treated.[81]
>>65565346You goddamn lying faggot the 1st Nasty Girls from NYC documented a warehouse that had chemical weapons components and usable launch and dispersion. Whatever you claim next, you goal post hucking shyster, THAT is wrong.https://www.worldofbooks.com/products/fighting-69th-book-sean-michael-flynn-9780670018437Your source is the five fucking dollars in beer cans it takes to buy this.
>>65565346>hurr durr EisenhowerMIC spending in 1960 was 50% of the federal budget and 9% of GDP, nearly 3 times what it is today. We are nowhere near that level of spending and raising the spectre of overspending by citing that figure is enemy propaganda designed to disarm the USFuck off, turdie
>>65559800Was it this guy?
>>65557964Thia sounds about as real as the iran-iraq war electrified swamps
>>65557851My dad's drill Sergeant saw combat in Vetnam, and he blew a little girl's head off with a shotgun. She was running towards him with a hand grenade. He'd wake up screaming every night during basic training.
>>65558240>150 to 1 kill ratiosI’m not even a hippie but it wasn’t that hard to achieve this ratio if you’re operating in a free fire zone where you regularly smoke entire villages of old men, women and children
>>65567889I've heard this account before but it's really some saving private Ryan tier shit. The Germans would have dropped a mortar on his ass in no time.
Was Vietnam the last American war with quality poon-tang? Is there even an instance of soldiers getting trim in the stan or Iraq?
>>65557851Was vietnam really any worse than pacific island seiges with insane nippon traps and ambushes and shit?
>>65569173The jungle is marginally shittier. Same asiatic warfare shit though. They both line charge the FOB knowing 8/10 are dead. I think the issue really was recruitment like it's an existential war when it's very plainly not to the average guy.
>>65569171Critical Observation Alert
>>65569171Iraqi women and girls were raped in Abu Ghraib and in the field by Americans.
