how do you counter horse archery?
>>65562723
>>65562723Not to engage with the horse archers in an open field, bringing the horse archers to hilly terrain, crippling the horses or killing them and then charge them when these horse archers are dismounted.
>>65562725ROBERT NOOOO!
>>65562723Anti-horse missiles.
>>65562723Mass fortifications and professional armies making massed use of pike&shot-style tactics.
wagon circles
>>65562723Fight them in terrain that is disadvantageous to them. Make sure that your soldiers are wearing armor. Bait them to attack you and then counter attack before they can retreat and bring enough cavalry to pursue or encircle them to make sure that they can't withdraw easily. Bring enough ranged weapons so they can't attack you without retaliation. Or if you are defending just build a shit ton of castles and suffer the raids while they can't advance and take more and more casualties.
>>65562723Arquebus.
>>65562723Embrasures. The better question is how you counter maneuver warfare in the 12th century.
>>65562723Dig trenches?
Create an empire where people are conscripted by force from all over the country to fight, then keep throwing bodies.
>>65562780Like China, hehehe?
>>65562781It worked.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide
>>65562723honey & lemon
>>65562726>dismountedNot really necessary. One they are engaged in combat it is very hard to withdraw and a horse can't really gallop for more than 2 miles even when fresh so it's not that easy to just run away.
>>65562787>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide>perpetrated by Manchu, Han, and Khalkha Mongol[4] troops of the Qing army, supported by Turkic oasis dwellers of Altishahr, now known as Uyghurs, who rebelled against Dzungar ruleyes, just throw conscripts at themit's not like the Qing dynasty was a bunch of steppe niggers themselves
>>65562723Mangonels
>>65562780Funny thing about China is they were bodying nomads when they ran conscript armies during the Qin-Han Dynasties. But when Chinese armies professionalized (because arming conscripts was costly and it taught people military skills that would be dangerous if they rebelled against YOU), suddenly it was mixed results with them winning some but losing some, and never at all replicating the total victory against Nomads like what was seen in the Han-Xiongnu Wars.
>>65562723castles
>Nice tactics and weapons you have there, whitoids>Would be a shame if I just simply... [spoiler]retreat[/spoiler]
>>65562810Not against Mangudai.
By having more horse archers
Your horse bullshit ends here
>>65562723Fortifications and crossbows/gunpowder
>>65562723Fight them in the Jungles you retard
burn down grass fields
>>65562821How did he keep getting away with it?
When all else fails, you become the horse archer.
>>65562857Mongols stole siege engineers to break fortifications.
>>65562801What about whores, Archer?
>>65565099YWNBAHA
>>65562723Drone swarm.
>>65565175European engineering and masonry were on another level compared to chink daub and wood bullshittery
>>65562723With about a million of these.
>>65565175And they still failed to make progress in Europe.
>>65565231Yoooou are a pirate
Snake launcher. Arc a catapult payload of snakes into the middle of their formation. Horses fucking hate snakes.
>>65562857So you will lock down in your castle while surrounding lands are up for grabs.
>>65565387when it happened during the mongoy invasion of hungary the mongoys ended up starving and were forced to fuck off. mongoy shit nomads cant deal with scorched earth tactics nor with properly built castles
>>65565387That's why the mongols conquered Hungary and Poland, right? I don't get why you fucktards try to argue against reality so much. The Mongols never managed to capture lands in central Europe.
total Sotoan death
>>65565414They only stopped because Odegei Khan died "after a binge of drinking during a hunting trip".
>>65562723Rape
>>65565458The horse or the archer?...or both?
A Ukraine thread died for this.
>>65565469What kind of question is that? Obviously both, preferably horse first to demoralize the archer
>>65562723I usually just tell a blob of my heaviest shield bearing troops to take up a square/circle formation and let them run out of arrows then when they charge my blob of heavies they get stuck and cut down. Anyone that has difficulty with Monchug is just bad at the game.
>>65565414unlike the Full Invasion Force of 14 Tumen + 40k turkic auxileries that attacked the Rus Principalities, pooland was never attacked by the full Force.It was a 1 Tumen (10000 men) scouting Party that completely defeated the combined Army of polish, hungarian, Bohemian and Silesian Troops for 47 (FOURTYSEVEN) Years StraightThe Mongols only retreated because Ogedei died and they never attended to fully Invade the rest of Europe like they did in Asia and the middle East.If the Mongols decided to push into Europe with the Intention of Conquest, there wouldn't be a Eastern Europe at the very least>>65565440This
>>65565564Horseman NTR...
>>65565387>try to besiege castle>get tied up in the siege, chased down or just do fuckall and starve without making it past the border lands.>try to ignore castles and move past them>all your minor forces, reinforcements, supply troops get raped and you get surroundedwow what a brilliant idea
>>65565590>that completely defeated the combined Army of polish, hungarian, Bohemian and Silesian Troopsactually most of the army didn't show up because poles chose to fight by themselves instead of waiting for allies.>The Mongols only retreated because Ogedei diedthe mongols retreated because they never had the forces or means to actually stay in poland, unlike hungary, which is why all they sent was a large raiding/scouting force.>If the Mongols decided to push into Europe with the Intention of Conquestthey explicitly did so in Hungary, trying to chase down their royal family to break the resistance and install their rule, which they failed to do because they couldn't do jack shit against the measly and pathetic keeps that hungary had.
>>65562723Spam castles and don't hace one big city where everyone important livesggeznore
>>65565597>Mein Stone Walls>chased down>chasing Horse Archers on Rounceys or Schweikenngmi
>>65565617>retarded image>retarded drivelquintessential shitskin posta mule can chase down your steppe pony if you're sitting on your ass besieging a castle. are you going to run away and break the siege at the first sight of enemy reinforcements?
>>65565469Horse, give it a bj while flipping the finger to the archer.
>>65565607>actually most of the army didn't show up because poles chose to fight by themselves instead of waiting for allies.nice cope, the mongols simple outmaneuvered the poles and their allies into a Fight>the mongols retreated because they never had the forces or means to actually stay in poland, unlike hungary, which is why all they sent was a large raiding/scouting force.yes, the Mongols never invaded the rest of Eastern Europe like they did with the devided Rus Principalities despite that they managed to dominate the polish and other Eastern Euros with small Raiding Parties>they explicitly did so in Hungary, trying to chase down their royal family to break the resistance and install their rule, which they failed to do because they couldn't do jack shit against the measly and pathetic keeps that hungary had.they defeated a Hungarian Army with western Knights, that was twice their Size mostly with Horse ArchersThe only thing the Hungarians could do is retreat as much as possible further back and the mongolian Horse Archers couldn't do shit against the Castles because they never were meant to Destroy these. They were a overstretched Raiding Force without proper Siege Equipment.The only saving Grace for Europe was the Death of OgedeiIf the Mongols attacked Europe with the Intention of Conquest instead of Raiding, with the Forces atleast the Size when they invaded the Rus, not to speak of the Army Sizes in Asia or the Middle East, it would be over for Europe
>>65565711>the mongols simple outmaneuvered the polesby having poles march right into them, yes>despite that they managed to dominate the polishthey won one large-ish battle and did some raiding and pillaging, that's it.>they defeated a Hungarian Army with western Knightswith a tiny contingent of western knights, that inflicted great damage on the mongols during the battle.>that was twice their Sizemostly consisting of useless peasant levies.>and the mongolian Horse Archers couldn't do shit against the Castles because they never were meant to Destroy theseglad you agree mongols sucked against castles, you could've just stopped at that instead of vomiting all this retarded drivel.>The only saving Grace for Europe was the Death of Ogedeithere was never a real threat to Europe because mongols couldn't even manage to defeat Hungary, who used to be horse nomands themselves just two centuries prior.>If the Mongols attacked Europe with the Intention of Conquest instead of Raidingthey explicitly did so in Hungary, trying to capture the royal family to instill legitimacy and subjugate the population, which they failed to do.your cope is gay and retarded and your formatting and random capitalisation is idiotic.
>>6556272510/22 AND APPLSEED training just explain it to them at the door of the event and they will set you up with horse targets
>>65562723Castles. Genghis Khan knew this and that was why he made a point of hiring and cultivating competent engineers.
>>65565280yes throw them at their faces don't even wait for the fuckheads to step on them
>>65565674>a mule can chase down your steppe pony if you're sitting on your ass besieging a castlewhy didn't it ever happen than?>are you going to run away and break the siege at the first sight of enemy reinforcements?bait and switch your army and resiege ;)>quintessential shitskin postim 99% sure i have lighter skin and eye colour than you mutt
>>65565739>why didn't it ever happen than?because they bogged down in Hungary where they had like 5 stone keeps in total and no army to break the siege by that point, and still failed to take even one of those. >bait and switch your army and resiege ;)ok, now the castle is resupplied and you have to start the siege over again from nothing. what a wonderful idea.>im 99% sure i have lighter skin and eye colour than you muttlmao, shit stained fingers typed this
>>65562723In my experience playing total war with other archers/skirmishers that out range them.
Oh no, it's raining and you have composite bows. How often does it rain? Well...welcome to Europe.
>>65565728>they won one large-ish battle and did some raiding and pillaging, that's it.it took 47 years for the poles to defeat a Raiding Force of the Mongols>with a tiny contingent of western knights, that inflicted great damage on the mongols during the battle.they were all slaughtered in the end>mostly consisting of useless peasant levies.so that's a problem of the polish armythe mongol forces were only 10k and not 140+ like they were in the Invasion of the Rus>mongols sucked against castles, you could've just stopped at that instead of vomiting all this retarded drivel.turbo spasticthe Mongols defeated much more fortified cities in the East when they actually brought in Siege EquipmentInb4 muh never Conquered Chink Mountain CastlesThe Mongols simply Conquered everything around them and forced them into surrender>there was never a real threat to Europe because mongols couldn't even manage to defeat Hungary, who used to be horse nomands themselves just two centuries prior.Mongols never invaded the rest of Europe with the Forces they had for the Rus Compare the 10k men for poland and 40K men for Hungary to 140k+ against the Rus or 200k with Heavy Siege Equipment and early Gunpowder they had in the EastThey would pretty much Stage a Full on Invasion instead of Raiding if Ogedei didn't die and they retreated after that>there was never a real threat to Europe because mongols couldn't even manage to defeat Hungary, who used to be horse nomands themselves just two centuries prior.are you retarded?they never brought in the numbers of a Full on Invasion Force They defeated the Hungarians with only 40k men and lost because they again brought only 40-50k men without any real Siege Weapons against a much more prepared HungaryCope harder
>>65565749>because they bogged down in Hungary where they had like 5 stone keeps in total and no army to break the siege by that point, and still failed to take even one of those.took several decades to defeat a Raiding Force of the Mongols, keep coping>ok, now the castle is resupplied and you have to start the siege over again from nothing. what a wonderful idea.can you name one instance when it happened?>lmao, shit stained fingers typed thisprojectingyou gotta use Toilette Paper and wet wipes
>>65562723Guns.
>>65565805>it took 47 years for the poles to defeat a Raiding Forceshould they've gone to mongolia to do that?>they were all slaughtered in the endmongols were blown the fuck out in the end>so that's a problem of the polish armythis was about hungaians, try to keep up shitskin>the Mongols defeated much more fortified cities in the East>fortified>cities>in the eastlmao, a basic bitch Europeak keep was stronger than this, as proven by history.>when they actually brought in Siege Equipmentthey did bring and use it in Hungary. >Mongols never invaded the rest of Europeyeah, they couldn't even get through European backwater shitholes.>they never brought in the numbersbecause they couldn't.>They defeated the Hungariansthey couldn't conquer the Hungarians despite them being ex-steppe nomads with shit ass fortifications, political disunity and an outdated army.>>65565812>took several decades to defeat a Raiding Forcewhat was a raiding force doing for decades in enemy territory? do you have enough IQ to imagine that, or did you make up this idiotic drivel by looking at the wikipedia date and making shit up?>can you name one instance when it happened?can you name one instance where mongols were retarded enough to do what you proposed?>projectingyou're literally a shitskin turd worlder seething that Europe's backwater was too strong for mongols despite them raping your every woman and child and implanting their genes into your subhuman kind to this day.
>>65562723discipline, having some knowledge of how your enemy fights, and combined arms. in particular, armored infantry and crossbows/guns.
>>65562723>dig in>they ride around you and burn your farmsFUCK
>>65565905Then starve. Burn your farms first, and the grass their horses would need.
>>65565812>Toilette PaperSorry I'm just wondering what the fuck spelling this is supposed to be. Are you French? Do they call it that over there? Genuinely curious, because being from somewhere that has toilet paper in the first place means you must come from a country of actual humans.
>>65565815Can we combine the two somehow? Horse gunners?
>>65562725fpbparrowfags don't want you to know about this one simple trickalso see: hiding behind a stone wall, having archers of your own, being anywhere that's not an open fieldi.e. all the reasons mongols never conquered shit in Europe outside the steppethey even got kicked out of hungary
>>65565919yeah, that would be every cavalryman since the invention of the gun onwards
>>65565917He's unironically Indian.
>>65565936actually it was an early modern europe thing because matchlocks don't work so well on horseback, to say nothing of the handgonnes.
>>65565889>should they've gone to mongolia to do that?they were right there in poland, no need to go that far>>65565889>mongols were blown the fuck out in the endhow long did it take? how many forces did it take? in which State was the Mongol Empire or their yuro branch at that time?>this was about hungaians, try to keep up shitskinso that's a problem of the hungarians than?why didn't they consist of the finest Knights and Crossbowmen? ;)>lmao, a basic bitch Europeak keep was stronger than thiscope>as proven by historywhat "History" do you spastics consume?>they did bring and use it in Hungaryin small Numbers >yeah, they couldn't even get through European backwater shitholes.you mean never did after the death of ogedei, their last attempt was a force of 50k men with a already fracturing empire>because they couldn'tthey could if they wanted to, they had defeated the Rus with 140k+ men while sending only 10k into poland>they couldn't conquer the Hungarians despite them being ex-steppe nomads with shit ass fortifications, political disunity and an outdated army.they never brought a real Conquest Force into Hungary and despite that they defeated the hungarian army, pillaged and enslaved the Population and killed up to 500k Peasantsby the second attempt they were in a political disunity themselfs>what was a raiding force doing for decades in enemy territory?pillaging and enslaving?>can you name one instance where mongols were retarded enough to do what you proposed?are you retarded? thats how they defeated the hungarian army in the first placeOther times they did this was in Dongcheng, Samarkand >you're literally a shitskin turd worlder seethingprojecting>Europe's backwater was too strong for mongols despite them raping your every woman and child and implanting their genes into your subhuman kind to this day.they killed up to 500k hungarian Peasants and enslaved probably more
>>65565953Just a quick question, is your grandfather Japanese?
>>65565917>amerimutt unironically thinks he has any say on medieval Europen warfare jej
>>65565956nodoes your grandfather have slanted eyes?
>>65565953>they were right there in polandthey weren't though, they went back after the first invasion, then returned decades later. that's what raiding means, you 40 IQ mongrel. they did try to stay in Hungary and fail, they never attempted to do so in Poland.>how long did it take?not very long.>how many forces did it take?not very many.>in which State was the Mongol Empirein better state than Hungary and Poland were during the first invasion.>why didn't they consist of the finest Knights and Crossbowmen? ;)they did once mongols came back. what followed was the biggest ass whooping mongols ever experienced during their entire timeline of conquest and pillage. ;)>they could if they wanted to, they had defeated the Russo they couldn't because they were too tied up in there to move forward?>they never brought a real Conquest Force into Hungarythey demanded submission from Hungarian royalty multiple times and tried to capture them to make Hungarians submit to them.>by the second attempt they were in a political disunity themselfsHungary was in political disunity, and so was Poland, i guess mongols were nothing special for doing good against them one time.>thats how they defeated the hungarian army in the first placeyou have trouble following the reply chain, shitskin-kum. let me remind you, it was about castles and how retarded it is to break siege and then resume it because you're incapable of fighting without retreating.>projectingbrown>they killed up to 500k hungarian Peasants and enslaved probably moreyet they still failed to subjugate and conquer Hungary nonetheless, i guess Hungarians were just that strong.
>>65565959>shitskin tries using mutt as an insultlmao
>>65562723light cannons
>>65565987post hand
>>65566003post indoor plumbing
>>65565981>not very long.more than 4 decades is not very longok>in better state than Hungary and Poland were during the first invasion.so they lost to a force of 10k men and never faced the force the Rus did>they did once mongols came back. what followed was the biggest ass whooping mongols ever experienced during their entire timeline of conquest and pillage. ;)yes they came back as a fractured branch of the mongols with numbers not even close they had when they conquered Kyiv>so they couldn't because they were too tied up in there to move forward?the second time they invaded hungary was by the Golden Horde, which never brought up the Numbers they had in the East>they demanded submission from Hungarian royalty multiple times and tried to capture them to make Hungarians submit to them.yeah and the only thing the hungarians could do is retreat and scatter as far as possible If Ogedei didn't die and pushed more men into Hungary to replenish the overstretched supply lines, hungary would pretty much fall>Hungary was in political disunity, and so was Poland, i guess mongols were nothing special for doing good against them one time.so were the Rus, even more so and look what the Mongols did to them when they invaded in full forcethey send 1 Tumen into poland which was enought to fuck the poles for over 4 decades>let me remind you, it was about castles and how retarded it is to break siegepeak retardhow do you think the battle of Legnica was fought?they abandoned the Siege of the Castle and fake retreated when the poles chased them and crushed them afterwards>brownprojecting>yet they still failed to subjugate and conquer Hungary nonetheless, i guess Hungarians were just that strong.>lose half a mil of People>let the Mongols Pillage and Enslave your Population for several decades, while you hide in other Countries>need to over 4 decades to defeat a Force of 40k men of small Faction while hiring mercs from all over Europeso strong lol
>>65566012post eye colour
>>65566089>more than 4 decadeswhen were all those 4 decades you keep bringing up? >so they lostthey never got conquered like rusnigs did.>yes they came back as a fractured branch of the mongolsthe real mongols couldn't conquer fractured backwater of Europe that had almost nothing in comparison to Europe proper.>yeah and the only thing the hungarians could do is retreat and scatterthey actually did gather forces and fight, even though most of their forces were peasant levies because nobility didn't want to follow their king.>If Ogedei didn't die and pushed more men into Hungary to replenish the overstretched supply lineswhere would these men come from? hungarians were unwilling to bend to them, despite the brutality.>so were the Rusrus were literally a slave colony for some Swedish nobility offshoots.>how do you think the battle of Legnica was fought?>they abandoned the Siege of the Castlewhat was the name of the castle that the mongols besieged?>projectingbrown>so strong lolstronger than every brown shithole that instantly folded to the mongols and carries their blood to this day. why couldn't they just do that, too?
>>65566092post drinkable tap water, crime rate, average IQ and inbreeding rate
>>65565175Chinese siege engineers were genuinely shit-tier. The literal height of siege weaponry they had access to was a man-powered catapult that was only useful against wood and earthwork defenses.
Kek the thurdies are really funny sometimese man....They live vicariously through some warlord subhumans of the past that had like one centry of relevance(most of It being raping and gaping brown and yellow thurdies)before desintegrating against the first white people they met.
>>65562723Personally I'm partial to landmines
>>65566129post hair colour
>>65566152post grip strength
>>65566133that's some ultra cope holy shit
>>65566137frfr
>>65566153post nose
>>65566152>>65566153Why can't both of you just kiss, already. You both are bickering like a hormonal teenage girl.
>>65566154>that's some urtra cope>hory shit
>>65566158post child mortality
>>65562723nothing personnel... kid
>>65566154I'm sorry the truth hurts little chinky. Meanwhile the height of European siege engines was the counterweight trebuchet, which the Mongols used to conquer the rest of China after learning about them from Crusader and Muslim siege engineers.
>>65562723no counter to puccias finest strategies xaxaxaxa
>>65566137>desintegrating against the first white people they met.And yet those "thirdies" are now flooding your country, taking awal your job, and polluting the "purity" of your country genetic bank.
>>65566183>Puccia with donky managed to push ukraine back even tough they have better gear.Skill issue, or western gears are shit?
>>65566189>managed to push ukraine backhasn't it been losing lots of ground around lyman these days?
>>65566184>hehe we can't manage our own land so we'll ruin yours too, if you let usweird flex>taking awal your job, and polluting the "purity" of your country genetic bankthis doesn't actually happen, exactly because turdies are useless and repulsive vermin.
>>65566120>when were all those 4 decades you keep bringing up? first time the polish defeated the Mongols was in 1287prior to that they were heavily defeated>they never got conquered like rusnigs did.because they only faced 10k to 30k men max in the later invasions nowhere near 140k+ 40k mercs>the real mongols couldn't conquer fractured backwater of Europe that had almost nothing in comparison to Europe proper.they never came in full force to do so and despite their relatively small numbers they caused massive casualties>they actually did gather forces and fight, even though most of their forces were peasant levies because nobility didn't want to follow their king.and were defeated every time despite the limited numbers of the Mongol force>where would these men come from?from the east?they had more than enough to triple that size, especially with all the captured Slavs from the Rus Principalities>rus were literally a slave colony for some Swedish nobility offshoots.imagine these fractured slave colonies defeating hungarians and germanic jihadis while at the same time being completely butt fucked by the mongols further eastlol>what was the name of the castle that the mongols besieged?it's in the name niggerLiegnitz>brownprojecting>stronger than every brown shithole that instantly folded to the mongols and carries their blood to this day. why couldn't they just do that, too?lmaoyou are so fucking retardedthe mongols faced far greater casualties and defeats in the East and continued their Campaigns because they were determined to Conquest unlike in Europe>carries their blood to this daycoming from who? a amerimutt with a genetic composition even God doesn't know
>>65566162>>65566179>Gunpowder that ended the Peasant slaving TinCans came to Europe thanks to Mongolslol
>>65566260plate armor came 100s of years after guns doebeit
>>65566238>first time the polish defeated the Mongols was in 1287>prior to that they were heavily defeatedhow many mongol invasions of Poland were there and what do you think it would imply? try to think hard and slow here.>in the later invasionsthey never got conquered in the first or later invasions either>they never came in full force to do sothey never encountered a full force against them>and despite their relatively small numbers they caused massive casualtiesthey faced equally small numbers of forces.>and were defeated every timeso they did in fact not just run away and sit in castles that mongols were completely toothless against?>they had more than enough to triple that sizegood luck supplying this force and leaving all the other lands undefended.> especially with all the captured Slavs from the Rus Principalitiesslavs would be utterly unwilling and useless as slaves to mongols as they were as slaves to Swedes>imagine these fractured slave colonies defeating hungarians and germanic jihadiswhatever guano you're smoking is making your shitskin drivel even less legible.>it's in the name nigger>Liegnitzwhen did mongols even touch the walls of Liegnitz?>lmao>you are so fucking retardedthe brownoid is getting more mad by the minute>the mongols faced far greater casualties and defeats in the Eastcasualties? maybe. defeats? lmao no. chinks folded to mongols like tissue paper because they're gutless servile inept eunuchs.>coming from who? a amerimutt with a genetic composition even God doesn't knowlmao, a mongol rapespawn calling anyone mutt and seething about Americans will never get old. ganges river is more pure and clean than your lineage.
>>65566260>came to Europe thanks to MongolsEuropean recipe for gunpowder predates mongol invasions and shows no sign of being transmitted from abroad.
>>65562723Draw them into terrain that limits their movements. Big river to your back, and varies forests and rivers in general to slow maneuvering.Hide additional forces in forests to race out when they're busy attacking.
>>65562723>How to counter horse archersThe perfidious anglo of course!
>>65566276>how many mongol invasions of Poland were there1st was with 10k men against 30k polish resulting in total defeat for the polish2nd with 30k men resulting in polish defeat and 10k slaves3rd was with 30k men (but with a fractured Golden Horde and rivaling Khans) resulting in Mongolian defeat>what do you think it would imply?1st was a Raiding Force, 2nd was a Enslaving campaign All the Battles inbetween resulted in complete butt fucking for the poles3rd was a Raid from a fractured Golden Horde>they never got conquered in the first or later invasions eitherbecause no Conquest Force>they faced equally small numbers of forces.they were outnumbered most of the time>so they did in fact not just run away and sit in castles that mongols were completely toothless against?? their Dynasty fled and scattered all over Europe, and different Countries and on fortified Island in the Adriatic SeaHow can you catch them with a Force of 40k? every battle that the Mongols had to fight in Hungary, they won but couldn't reach out to places so far away with such a small Force>good luck supplying this force and leaving all the other lands undefended.who says the other lands would be undefeated if the Force was actually atleast 3 times the size?>slavs would be utterly unwilling and useless as slavespeak retard right here>whatever guano you're smoking is making your shitskin drivel even less legible.lmao historylet 1233 Battle of Shumsk Rus v hungarians, resulting in a Rus Victory1238 Battle of Drohyczyn Rus v germanic jihadis resulting in a Rus Victoryimagine losing to slaves while they being dismantled by Mongols>when Liegnitz?1241>casualties? maybe. defeats? lmao no.Siege of Gurganj, Siege of Xiangyang, VietnamIf the Mongols wanted, they would've captured Europe>Mystermeat that was considered a Shitskin, becomes hwyte and Caucasian as soon as he gets the mutt nationalitylol
>>65566280what?first European Gunpowder recipe is from 1267prior to the Mongol Invasion of Europe, nobody used anything with Gunpowderfirst European Gunpowder Cannons are from 1340
>>65566389>if the Mongols wanted, they would've captured EuropeBut they did want to and failed.
>>65565440But the mongols already retreaded before they knew about his death.
>>65566404>first European Gunpowder recipe is from 1267right, i misremebered it. still, it appeared in isolation far from any place in contact with the mongols and none of the neighboring countries that were actively fighting the mongols actually got it.>first European Gunpowder Cannons are from 1340actually 1320s is the time period
>>65566487lack of determination and infighting was the key factor why they didn't push into Europe not some magical mud bricks
>>65566389>resulting in total defeat for the polishhow is it a total defeat if they didn't conquer anything?>1st was a Raiding Force, 2nd was a Enslaving campaign All the Battles inbetween resulted in complete butt fucking for the poles3rd was a Raid from a fractured Golden Hordenow try to think a little bit and look at your "muh 47 years" quip, shit-for-brains.>because no Conquest Forcebut it was.>they were outnumbered most of the timethey were outnumbered exactly once, and by peasant levies at that.>? their Dynasty fled and scattered all over Europeactually their dynasty returned once mongols couln't subjugate hungary and went back to ruling the country, transforming it greatly.>every battle that the Mongols had to fight in Hungary every battle except for all the battles of their second invasion, lol>they won but couldn't reach out to places so far awaysounds like cope because they didn't win because they couldn't siege for shit.>who says the other lands would be undefeated if the Force was actually atleast 3 times the size?who says this force would change anything?>peak retard right hereare you actually a mongoloid vatnigger monkey? that'd explain this >Mystermeat that was considered a Shitskin, becomes hwyte and Caucasian as soon as he gets the mutt nationalityprojection>1238 Battle of Drohyczynnice made-up story>germanic jihadisnot putting away that guano, are you?>Siege of Gurganj, Siege of Xiangyangso these failed sieges are totally legit victories but the sieges in Hungary don't count and aren't relevant despite mongols failing to subjugate and submit them, unlike the chink vermin above? cute.>If the Mongols wanted, they would've captured Europeand other cope fantasies subhuman churka rapebabies tell themselves
>>65566540>lack of determinationhard to have that determination when you're incapable of establishing your rule or besieging castles, lol>not some magical mud bricksbut enough about the heights of chink fortification engineering
>>65562723Have your own horse archers, it's the only reliable method until flintlocks. Even afterwards, arguably. People will point out the Russians took over the steppes, but they did it with cossacks, their own home grown steppeniggers.
>>65566513>still, it appeared in isolation far from any place in contact with the mongols and none of the neighboring countries that were actively fighting the mongols actually got it.nuh uh
>>65566561wow, the recipe must've materialized in Europe out of thin air via teleportation magic, since there was exactly zero accounts of this anywhere else in the world besides those two places at the time.
>>65566553>hard to have that determination when you're incapable of establishing your rule or besieging castles, lolhow can they besiege a castle with a force that wasn't mean to do it?they completely wiped the floor with the polish in any battle up to 1287>but enough about the heights of chink fortification engineeringcoping
>>65566576>how can they besiege a castle with a force that wasn't mean to do it?all those catapults were for show, apparently. they totally didn't mean it and were just pretending, if they really wanted to they'd do it for sure. lmao.>all this incessant seethe about polesyep, this is definitely a zigger.why aren't you in the meatwave, vanya?
>>65566576>copingyou're the one who brought up mud bricks, pidor. do try to follow your own retarded drivel, as much as it's possible with such unintelligible ESL gibberish.
>>65566569>nothing related to gunpowder existed in europe prior to mongols>the recipe that comes up is a exact copy from the chinksoh i wonder
>>65566598>nobody else on the continent has figured out or realistically described mongols' gunpowder use, let alone recorded the recipe yet some English monk just had a secure phone line right to the top Khan who just messaged it to him from china.>also, the first ever recorded European recipe doesn't actually include those additivesyeah bro totally believable chyna stronk.
>>65566583>all those catapults were for show, apparentlya small force retard>>65566595>mud brickslook at east europoor castlesare you guys some butthurt subhuman poolish that deny history?
>>65566620>a small forceyou keep repeating this cope yet the sieges were still there, and still failed.>look at east europoor castlesthe Hungarian castles mongols failed to take were stone. did you really forget this fact in your rage, shit for brains, or are you just pretending to ignore it? which one is it, pidor rapebably?>butthurt subhuman poolish that deny history?easy there, esl monkey, if you seethe too loud about poles the chechen fucking your mom will come and beat your ass again.
>>65565280Nothing personnel, kid.
>>65566548>how is it a total defeat if they didn't conquer anything?total defeat on the battlefied by a much smaller force>"muh 47 years"they raided inbetween the major raiding stages>but it was.10-30k vs 140k+ or 200k+sure bud>they were outnumbered exactly onceso they won the other battles against non peasent levies?>actually their dynasty returned once mongols couln't subjugate hungary they couldn't subjugate a country with a force of 30k men and never recieved the enforcement they needed because of political rivalry in the split of Golden Horde>every battle except for all the battles of their second invasionweakest point they have ever been, no accomplishment>they didn't win because they couldn't siege for shit.keep coping>who says this force would change anything?every example in history where they had a force over 30k men to actually conquer >nice made-up storycope more retarded historylet haha>so these failed sieges are totally legit victories but the sieges in Hungary don't count and aren't relevant despite mongols failing to subjugate and submit them, unlike the chink vermin above? cute.Mongols suffered much bigger Casualties in the East and besieged Castles and Cities for years, because they were determined to conquer and brought real invading forcesyou can cope however you like but it won't change the fact the one reason, eastern euro shitholes atleast, were saved is the death of ogedei>and other cope fantasies subhuman churka rapebabies tell themselvesbig words from mysterymeat
>>65566629seething poolacks confirmed lol
>>65566659>total defeat on the battlefiedso not actually a total defeat, just a couple battles lost? good admission.>they raided inbetween the major raiding stages>10-30k vs 140k+ or 200k+still a conquest force, because it was used to attempt conquest.>so they won the other battles against non peasent levies?that's not at all what i said or implied. put off the krokodil, shit for brains.>they couldn't subjugate a country with a force of 30k men and never recieved the enforcement they neededconsidering Hungary was many times smaller than rus, that's entirely on the mongols.>because of political rivalry in the split of Golden Hordeok so the invasions of Hungary and Poland don't count, since they were politically unstable at the time. got it, mongols didn't do anything in Europe.>keep copingkeep seething zigger vermin>every example in history where they had a force over 30k men to actually conquer>i-it just doesn't count>cope more retarded historyleti have a history some turd worlder wrote up that says mongols were scared of Europe and they settled their fear by whipping and raping slavic monkeys instead. why are you such a historylet to deny this?>Mongols suffered much bigger Casualties in the Eastduh, east was that much bigger than Hungary.>because they were determined to conquer and brought real invading forcesactually it's because chinks submitted to the mongools and were willing to do their bidding as footsoldiers, not because of some determination. the forces mongols themselves brought weren't that much bigger relative to the population.>you can cope however you like but it won't change the fact the one reason, eastern euro shitholes atleast, were saved is the death of ogedeiactually it's because they were just more resilient and didn't bend the knee like subhuman slav monkeys did, which is why they won and slavs lost.>big words from mysterymeatyou're the most mysterymeat mongoloid there is, your president literally boasts about it.
>>65566665are you that mexinigger cum/chug/ger that tried to force his shitty memes for years seething about Poles? did one steal your girlfriend?
>>65566612>let alone recorded the recipe yet some English monk just had a secure phone line right to the top Khan who just messaged it to him from china.>>also, the first ever recorded European recipe doesn't actually include those additiveslegit retard or trolling?
>>65566729>zero mentions of gunpowder in those works>but the secret was totally there and made it through 3 hands to land in England, for sureare you?>inb4 more unrelated asspulled wikipedia screenshots
>>65566739oh it's retarded and can't read>mentions some islandmonkey monk>no, source is not trueeuropeans totally discovered gunpowder on their own>>inb4 more unrelated asspulled wikipedia screenshotsas opposed to the sources you posted?
>>65566705tldr seething poolackeast euro shitholes were only saved by death of ogedei and political infighting of mongolsnothing more
>>65566776>oh it's retarded and can't readcorrect, you cannot. that's why you didn't address why nobody else mentioned mongolian gunpowder use or recorded a recipe despite being in much more close to them than some monks>no, source is not truewikipedia is not a source>europeans totally discovered gunpowder on their ownyeah, this is most likely. just like they discovered firearms on their own, and evolved them into functional, practical weapons within a generation.>as opposed to the sources you posted?my source is your retarded statement and the gaping holes in it that you try to fill by deflecting to other topics from wikipedia
>>65566781tldr euro cuck shitholes are demigods compared to brown rapespawn maggots like slavs, chinks and jeets, and apparently mexicans since you're there, macaco.despite being weak from political infighting and underdeveloped those demigords endured and withstood mongol assaults singlehandedly while lesser nations fell.
>>65566784>wikipedia is not a sourcepost yours>yeah, this is most likely. just like they discovered firearms on their own, and evolved them into functional, practical weapons within a generation.kekfucking retard
>>65566790sure budthat's why euro shitholes couldn't defeat a mongol force of 10k for several decades
>>65566795>post yoursi just did, it's your own retarded self-defeating posts>kek>fucking retardyep, that's genuine turdie seethe right there
>>65566799>couldn't defeat a mongol force of 10k for several decadesbut they defeated it, by not submitting. have slav(e) scum tried this even once in their pathetic history?
>>65566802so no source from you retarded fag?ok got it
>>65566817my source is a retarded fag, you got that right. it's you and your retarded wikipedia-reposting drivel.
>>65566803so all the enslaved poolacks and hungarians didn't actually submit?
>>65566820you retard can't even refute wiki articles because you have absolutely no source but your subhuman shizo mind
>>65566823all the little few of them did not, because unlike servitude slavery doesn't require submission and is done forcefully.but i don't expect a subhuman servile rapespawn to comprehend the difference.
>>65562857>Catapults pestilence infected corpses over the wallHave fun in there, fucko.
>>65566825there's nothing to refute since wiki articles aren't sources, all i need to do is poke fun at your inability to actually argue with your toddler mind.crying about me being mean to you won't change that.
>>65566828ok mongol raped east euroshitter
>>65566834post source for your eurocuck gunpowder claim you mouthbreather
>>65566835>mongol raped east shitterbut enough about slav subhumans and their existence as rapemeat for mongols, tatars, chechens and pretty much all other central asians.
>>65566839my source is the lack of any documents that would suggest transmission of gunpowder by any means other than teleportation.Europeans are just this inventive and creative, it's obvious once you look at how they're responsible for basically every invention from that time onwards until today. stark contrast with asiatic mongoloid rapebabies.
>>65562725>tfw mongoloids conquered the largest expanse of empty wasteland on the planet only to be mogged by inbred ziggers
>>65566850so no source just shizo thoughts from a mystery meatsack ok
>>65566854ziggers were literally mongoloids 2.0 riding on mongol coattails though.
>>65566858>so no sourcedefinitely not unrelated wikipedia screenshots., that's for sure.>just shizo thoughts from a mystery meatsackbut enough about your butthurt anti-European seething, turdie macaco
>>65566864>definitely not unrelated wikipedia screenshots., that's for sure.so post a credible source and not your unmedicated shizo thoughts>anti-Europeannot claiming that everything was invented by europe is now anti europeanok retard
>>65566872>so post a credible sourcewhy would i? humoring you would make a fool of me since i'd be held to a higher standard than you.>not claiming that everything was invented by europegunpowder definitely was invented by chinks, but it was also invented by Europeans independently.also, you've been screeching about east Euros stealing your girlfriend and triggering your inferiority complex this entire thread, you pathetic mutted mongoloid rapebaby.
>>65566879>but it was also invented by Europeans independently.general consensus says otherwise>shit>more shitso you won't post source because it exists in your schizophrenia suffering mind?
>>65566891>general consensuswikipedia isn't it.>shit>more shitare you talking about your post history?>so you won't post source because it exists in your schizophrenia suffering mind?i won't post a source because i never intended to engage with a shitskin turd worlder reposting unsourced wikipedia articles seriously.
>>65566898>i never intended to engagewhy engage for several hours with absolutely shit posts than?>wikipedia isn't it.ok post something better
>>65562857The Mongols busted through these walls in China before they even reach those flimsy European walls, the Mongols would be past that in no time.
>>65566907well poking fun at you and making you mald by stating facts on the side was amusing to me.>ok post something betterwhy would i? it's not like you deserve it.
>>65566908cute dirt mounds, very flashy and implessivei wonder what a European trebuchet would do to them...
>>65566908something the retards here try to deny this whole threadinsane
>>65566913yeah, the sinophobia runs rampant on this board, it's completely awful.
>>65566909ok schizoso no sourcei accept your defeat
>>65566921yeah, wikipedia is not a source so you're good to accept defeat. that's a good little brown monkey, knowing your place at the boots of your masters.
>>65566918>sinophobiamore like mysterymeat trying to cling on euro history and posting completely incoherent shit
>>65566924didn't readschizo
>>65566926can you type this again in English, the grammar is completely out of wack, mr brown shitskin?
>>65566930oh, it's crying and clutching onto one little insult it's got left, how pathetic. a brown rat in a cage.
>>65566931>>65566934no source?didn't read
>>65566937wikipedia isn't a source, no matter how much of a tantrum you make.how about you try to take some english lessons, then maybe you wouldn't be a laughingstock? although you'd still be a filthy mutted mongoloid rapebaby subhuman regardless, but you'd at least be able to hide it from a passerby sometimes.
>>65566940>>65566937.
>>65566943>it's shut down completelydawww
>the noguns are fighting againkino thread
>>65565414https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_LegnicaThey got up to Vienna but then Ogedei died like a retard alcoholic he was.
>>65565956He didnt bring up rape, retard.
>>65566158>>65566171Post dick
>>65566994>They got up to Viennathat's such an exaggeration
If you post some random stock image with a medieval theme about ancient weapons, mods will leave it up until the bump limit. Mods, do your fucking jobs.
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>>65565959Yes. Americans are the descendants of those Europeans, you are a descendant of Arab mutts and Mongol rape babies.
>>65566184Not anymore. That will be $500,000 plus tip to apply for an H1B visa and odds are 84% against you getting it, period. No refunds.
>>65566189>Push Ukraine backSix figures of dead Russians and your refineries are still burning. Meanwhile the US loses ten people and kills the entire Iranian government and takes all their oil hostage and you'll insist Iran is winning.
>>65566709He got humiliated because he tried to spread this narrative that Poland would become a Russian Ally way back when and Poland instead became America's Even Bester Buddy.
>>65566911It would do literally nothing.
>>65569486>another shill bump from the bottom of the catalog
>>65569498>respond to the dumbest post on the entire internet>NOOO U A SHILLYou can launch rocks at dirt all day, it will get you nowhere. If you weren't a nogunz you'd understand that's what a backstop is, but you're a useless serf.I hope when you die it is slow and as painful as possible, you deserve it for being a retard by choice rather than birth.
>>65569506oof, this chinkshill sure is butthurt from being called out
>>65569511If the Chinese government wants to sponsor my posts I will take payment in norinco firearms and ammo pls
>>65569519you already take payments in semen donations though
>>65569539I wish, the eunuch femboys they keep sending me can't cum, it's a tragedy.