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>>65562723

>>65562723
Not to engage with the horse archers in an open field, bringing the horse archers to hilly terrain, crippling the horses or killing them and then charge them when these horse archers are dismounted.

>>65562725
ROBERT NOOOO!

>>65562723
Anti-horse missiles.

>>65562723
Mass fortifications and professional armies making massed use of pike&shot-style tactics.

wagon circles

>>65562723
Fight them in terrain that is disadvantageous to them. Make sure that your soldiers are wearing armor. Bait them to attack you and then counter attack before they can retreat and bring enough cavalry to pursue or encircle them to make sure that they can't withdraw easily. Bring enough ranged weapons so they can't attack you without retaliation. Or if you are defending just build a shit ton of castles and suffer the raids while they can't advance and take more and more casualties.

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>>65562723
Arquebus.

>>65562723
Embrasures. The better question is how you counter maneuver warfare in the 12th century.

>>65562723
Dig trenches?

Create an empire where people are conscripted by force from all over the country to fight, then keep throwing bodies.

>>65562780
Like China, hehehe?

>>65562781
It worked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide

>>65562723
honey & lemon

>>65562726
>dismounted
Not really necessary. One they are engaged in combat it is very hard to withdraw and a horse can't really gallop for more than 2 miles even when fresh so it's not that easy to just run away.

>>65562787
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide
>perpetrated by Manchu, Han, and Khalkha Mongol[4] troops of the Qing army, supported by Turkic oasis dwellers of Altishahr, now known as Uyghurs, who rebelled against Dzungar rule
yes, just throw conscripts at them
it's not like the Qing dynasty was a bunch of steppe niggers themselves

>>65562723
Mangonels

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>>65562780
Funny thing about China is they were bodying nomads when they ran conscript armies during the Qin-Han Dynasties. But when Chinese armies professionalized (because arming conscripts was costly and it taught people military skills that would be dangerous if they rebelled against YOU), suddenly it was mixed results with them winning some but losing some, and never at all replicating the total victory against Nomads like what was seen in the Han-Xiongnu Wars.

>>65562723
castles

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>Nice tactics and weapons you have there, whitoids
>Would be a shame if I just simply... [spoiler]retreat[/spoiler]

>>65562810
Not against Mangudai.

By having more horse archers

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Your horse bullshit ends here

>>65562723
Fortifications and crossbows/gunpowder

>>65562723
Fight them in the Jungles you retard

burn down grass fields

>>65562821
How did he keep getting away with it?

When all else fails, you become the horse archer.

>>65562857
Mongols stole siege engineers to break fortifications.

>>65562801
What about whores, Archer?

>>65565099
YWNBAHA

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>>65562723
Drone swarm.

>>65565175
European engineering and masonry were on another level compared to chink daub and wood bullshittery

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>>65562723
With about a million of these.

>>65565175
And they still failed to make progress in Europe.

>>65565231
Yoooou are a pirate

Snake launcher. Arc a catapult payload of snakes into the middle of their formation. Horses fucking hate snakes.

>>65562857
So you will lock down in your castle while surrounding lands are up for grabs.

>>65565387
when it happened during the mongoy invasion of hungary the mongoys ended up starving and were forced to fuck off. mongoy shit nomads cant deal with scorched earth tactics nor with properly built castles

>>65565387
That's why the mongols conquered Hungary and Poland, right? I don't get why you fucktards try to argue against reality so much. The Mongols never managed to capture lands in central Europe.

total Sotoan death

>>65565414
They only stopped because Odegei Khan died "after a binge of drinking during a hunting trip".

>>65562723
Rape

>>65565458
The horse or the archer?
...or both?

A Ukraine thread died for this.

>>65565469
What kind of question is that? Obviously both, preferably horse first to demoralize the archer

>>65562723
I usually just tell a blob of my heaviest shield bearing troops to take up a square/circle formation and let them run out of arrows then when they charge my blob of heavies they get stuck and cut down. Anyone that has difficulty with Monchug is just bad at the game.

>>65565414
unlike the Full Invasion Force of 14 Tumen + 40k turkic auxileries that attacked the Rus Principalities, pooland was never attacked by the full Force.
It was a 1 Tumen (10000 men) scouting Party that completely defeated the combined Army of polish, hungarian, Bohemian and Silesian Troops for 47 (FOURTYSEVEN) Years Straight
The Mongols only retreated because Ogedei died and they never attended to fully Invade the rest of Europe like they did in Asia and the middle East.
If the Mongols decided to push into Europe with the Intention of Conquest, there wouldn't be a Eastern Europe at the very least
>>65565440
This

>>65565564
Horseman NTR...

>>65565387
>try to besiege castle
>get tied up in the siege, chased down or just do fuckall and starve without making it past the border lands.
>try to ignore castles and move past them
>all your minor forces, reinforcements, supply troops get raped and you get surrounded
wow what a brilliant idea

>>65565590
>that completely defeated the combined Army of polish, hungarian, Bohemian and Silesian Troops
actually most of the army didn't show up because poles chose to fight by themselves instead of waiting for allies.
>The Mongols only retreated because Ogedei died
the mongols retreated because they never had the forces or means to actually stay in poland, unlike hungary, which is why all they sent was a large raiding/scouting force.
>If the Mongols decided to push into Europe with the Intention of Conquest
they explicitly did so in Hungary, trying to chase down their royal family to break the resistance and install their rule, which they failed to do because they couldn't do jack shit against the measly and pathetic keeps that hungary had.

>>65562723
Spam castles and don't hace one big city where everyone important lives
ggeznore

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>>65565597
>Mein Stone Walls
>chased down
>chasing Horse Archers on Rounceys or Schweiken
ngmi

>>65565617
>retarded image
>retarded drivel
quintessential shitskin post

a mule can chase down your steppe pony if you're sitting on your ass besieging a castle. are you going to run away and break the siege at the first sight of enemy reinforcements?

>>65565469
Horse, give it a bj while flipping the finger to the archer.

>>65565607
>actually most of the army didn't show up because poles chose to fight by themselves instead of waiting for allies.
nice cope, the mongols simple outmaneuvered the poles and their allies into a Fight
>the mongols retreated because they never had the forces or means to actually stay in poland, unlike hungary, which is why all they sent was a large raiding/scouting force.
yes, the Mongols never invaded the rest of Eastern Europe like they did with the devided Rus Principalities
despite that they managed to dominate the polish and other Eastern Euros with small Raiding Parties
>they explicitly did so in Hungary, trying to chase down their royal family to break the resistance and install their rule, which they failed to do because they couldn't do jack shit against the measly and pathetic keeps that hungary had.
they defeated a Hungarian Army with western Knights, that was twice their Size mostly with Horse Archers
The only thing the Hungarians could do is retreat as much as possible further back and the mongolian Horse Archers couldn't do shit against the Castles because they never were meant to Destroy these. They were a overstretched Raiding Force without proper Siege Equipment.
The only saving Grace for Europe was the Death of Ogedei
If the Mongols attacked Europe with the Intention of Conquest instead of Raiding, with the Forces atleast the Size when they invaded the Rus, not to speak of the Army Sizes in Asia or the Middle East, it would be over for Europe

>>65565711
>the mongols simple outmaneuvered the poles
by having poles march right into them, yes
>despite that they managed to dominate the polish
they won one large-ish battle and did some raiding and pillaging, that's it.
>they defeated a Hungarian Army with western Knights
with a tiny contingent of western knights, that inflicted great damage on the mongols during the battle.
>that was twice their Size
mostly consisting of useless peasant levies.
>and the mongolian Horse Archers couldn't do shit against the Castles because they never were meant to Destroy these
glad you agree mongols sucked against castles, you could've just stopped at that instead of vomiting all this retarded drivel.
>The only saving Grace for Europe was the Death of Ogedei
there was never a real threat to Europe because mongols couldn't even manage to defeat Hungary, who used to be horse nomands themselves just two centuries prior.
>If the Mongols attacked Europe with the Intention of Conquest instead of Raiding
they explicitly did so in Hungary, trying to capture the royal family to instill legitimacy and subjugate the population, which they failed to do.

your cope is gay and retarded and your formatting and random capitalisation is idiotic.

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>>65562725
10/22 AND APPLSEED training just explain it to them at the door of the event and they will set you up with horse targets

>>65562723
Castles. Genghis Khan knew this and that was why he made a point of hiring and cultivating competent engineers.

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>>65565280
yes throw them at their faces don't even wait for the fuckheads to step on them

>>65565674
>a mule can chase down your steppe pony if you're sitting on your ass besieging a castle
why didn't it ever happen than?
>are you going to run away and break the siege at the first sight of enemy reinforcements?
bait and switch your army and resiege ;)
>quintessential shitskin post
im 99% sure i have lighter skin and eye colour than you mutt

>>65565739
>why didn't it ever happen than?
because they bogged down in Hungary where they had like 5 stone keeps in total and no army to break the siege by that point, and still failed to take even one of those.
>bait and switch your army and resiege ;)
ok, now the castle is resupplied and you have to start the siege over again from nothing. what a wonderful idea.
>im 99% sure i have lighter skin and eye colour than you mutt
lmao, shit stained fingers typed this

>>65562723
In my experience playing total war with other archers/skirmishers that out range them.

Oh no, it's raining and you have composite bows. How often does it rain? Well...welcome to Europe.

>>65565728
>they won one large-ish battle and did some raiding and pillaging, that's it.
it took 47 years for the poles to defeat a Raiding Force of the Mongols
>with a tiny contingent of western knights, that inflicted great damage on the mongols during the battle.
they were all slaughtered in the end
>mostly consisting of useless peasant levies.
so that's a problem of the polish army
the mongol forces were only 10k and not 140+ like they were in the Invasion of the Rus
>mongols sucked against castles, you could've just stopped at that instead of vomiting all this retarded drivel.
turbo spastic
the Mongols defeated much more fortified cities in the East when they actually brought in Siege Equipment
Inb4 muh never Conquered Chink Mountain Castles
The Mongols simply Conquered everything around them and forced them into surrender
>there was never a real threat to Europe because mongols couldn't even manage to defeat Hungary, who used to be horse nomands themselves just two centuries prior.
Mongols never invaded the rest of Europe with the Forces they had for the Rus
Compare the 10k men for poland and 40K men for Hungary to 140k+ against the Rus or 200k with Heavy Siege Equipment and early Gunpowder they had in the East
They would pretty much Stage a Full on Invasion instead of Raiding if Ogedei didn't die and they retreated after that
>there was never a real threat to Europe because mongols couldn't even manage to defeat Hungary, who used to be horse nomands themselves just two centuries prior.
are you retarded?
they never brought in the numbers of a Full on Invasion Force
They defeated the Hungarians with only 40k men and lost because they again brought only 40-50k men without any real Siege Weapons against a much more prepared Hungary
Cope harder

>>65565749
>because they bogged down in Hungary where they had like 5 stone keeps in total and no army to break the siege by that point, and still failed to take even one of those.
took several decades to defeat a Raiding Force of the Mongols, keep coping
>ok, now the castle is resupplied and you have to start the siege over again from nothing. what a wonderful idea.
can you name one instance when it happened?
>lmao, shit stained fingers typed this
projecting
you gotta use Toilette Paper and wet wipes

>>65562723
Guns.

>>65565805
>it took 47 years for the poles to defeat a Raiding Force
should they've gone to mongolia to do that?
>they were all slaughtered in the end
mongols were blown the fuck out in the end
>so that's a problem of the polish army
this was about hungaians, try to keep up shitskin
>the Mongols defeated much more fortified cities in the East
>fortified
>cities
>in the east
lmao, a basic bitch Europeak keep was stronger than this, as proven by history.
>when they actually brought in Siege Equipment
they did bring and use it in Hungary.
>Mongols never invaded the rest of Europe
yeah, they couldn't even get through European backwater shitholes.
>they never brought in the numbers
because they couldn't.
>They defeated the Hungarians
they couldn't conquer the Hungarians despite them being ex-steppe nomads with shit ass fortifications, political disunity and an outdated army.

>>65565812
>took several decades to defeat a Raiding Force
what was a raiding force doing for decades in enemy territory? do you have enough IQ to imagine that, or did you make up this idiotic drivel by looking at the wikipedia date and making shit up?
>can you name one instance when it happened?
can you name one instance where mongols were retarded enough to do what you proposed?
>projecting
you're literally a shitskin turd worlder seething that Europe's backwater was too strong for mongols despite them raping your every woman and child and implanting their genes into your subhuman kind to this day.

>>65562723
discipline, having some knowledge of how your enemy fights, and combined arms. in particular, armored infantry and crossbows/guns.

>>65562723
>dig in
>they ride around you and burn your farms
FUCK

>>65565905
Then starve. Burn your farms first, and the grass their horses would need.

>>65565812
>Toilette Paper
Sorry I'm just wondering what the fuck spelling this is supposed to be. Are you French? Do they call it that over there? Genuinely curious, because being from somewhere that has toilet paper in the first place means you must come from a country of actual humans.

>>65565815
Can we combine the two somehow? Horse gunners?

>>65562725
fpbp
arrowfags don't want you to know about this one simple trick

also see: hiding behind a stone wall, having archers of your own, being anywhere that's not an open field
i.e. all the reasons mongols never conquered shit in Europe outside the steppe
they even got kicked out of hungary

>>65565919
yeah, that would be every cavalryman since the invention of the gun onwards

>>65565917
He's unironically Indian.

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>>65565936
actually it was an early modern europe thing because matchlocks don't work so well on horseback, to say nothing of the handgonnes.

>>65565889
>should they've gone to mongolia to do that?
they were right there in poland, no need to go that far
>>65565889
>mongols were blown the fuck out in the end
how long did it take? how many forces did it take? in which State was the Mongol Empire or their yuro branch at that time?
>this was about hungaians, try to keep up shitskin
so that's a problem of the hungarians than?
why didn't they consist of the finest Knights and Crossbowmen? ;)
>lmao, a basic bitch Europeak keep was stronger than this
cope
>as proven by history
what "History" do you spastics consume?
>they did bring and use it in Hungary
in small Numbers
>yeah, they couldn't even get through European backwater shitholes.
you mean never did after the death of ogedei, their last attempt was a force of 50k men with a already fracturing empire
>because they couldn't
they could if they wanted to, they had defeated the Rus with 140k+ men while sending only 10k into poland
>they couldn't conquer the Hungarians despite them being ex-steppe nomads with shit ass fortifications, political disunity and an outdated army.
they never brought a real Conquest Force into Hungary and despite that they defeated the hungarian army, pillaged and enslaved the Population and killed up to 500k Peasants
by the second attempt they were in a political disunity themselfs
>what was a raiding force doing for decades in enemy territory?
pillaging and enslaving?
>can you name one instance where mongols were retarded enough to do what you proposed?
are you retarded? thats how they defeated the hungarian army in the first place
Other times they did this was in Dongcheng, Samarkand
>you're literally a shitskin turd worlder seething
projecting
>Europe's backwater was too strong for mongols despite them raping your every woman and child and implanting their genes into your subhuman kind to this day.
they killed up to 500k hungarian Peasants and enslaved probably more

>>65565953
Just a quick question, is your grandfather Japanese?

>>65565917
>amerimutt unironically thinks he has any say on medieval Europen warfare
jej

>>65565956
no
does your grandfather have slanted eyes?

>>65565953
>they were right there in poland
they weren't though, they went back after the first invasion, then returned decades later. that's what raiding means, you 40 IQ mongrel. they did try to stay in Hungary and fail, they never attempted to do so in Poland.
>how long did it take?
not very long.
>how many forces did it take?
not very many.
>in which State was the Mongol Empire
in better state than Hungary and Poland were during the first invasion.
>why didn't they consist of the finest Knights and Crossbowmen? ;)
they did once mongols came back. what followed was the biggest ass whooping mongols ever experienced during their entire timeline of conquest and pillage. ;)
>they could if they wanted to, they had defeated the Rus
so they couldn't because they were too tied up in there to move forward?
>they never brought a real Conquest Force into Hungary
they demanded submission from Hungarian royalty multiple times and tried to capture them to make Hungarians submit to them.
>by the second attempt they were in a political disunity themselfs
Hungary was in political disunity, and so was Poland, i guess mongols were nothing special for doing good against them one time.
>thats how they defeated the hungarian army in the first place
you have trouble following the reply chain, shitskin-kum. let me remind you, it was about castles and how retarded it is to break siege and then resume it because you're incapable of fighting without retreating.
>projecting
brown
>they killed up to 500k hungarian Peasants and enslaved probably more
yet they still failed to subjugate and conquer Hungary nonetheless, i guess Hungarians were just that strong.

>>65565959
>shitskin tries using mutt as an insult
lmao

>>65562723
light cannons

>>65565987
post hand

>>65566003
post indoor plumbing

>>65565981
>not very long.
more than 4 decades is not very long
ok
>in better state than Hungary and Poland were during the first invasion.
so they lost to a force of 10k men and never faced the force the Rus did
>they did once mongols came back. what followed was the biggest ass whooping mongols ever experienced during their entire timeline of conquest and pillage. ;)
yes they came back as a fractured branch of the mongols with numbers not even close they had when they conquered Kyiv
>so they couldn't because they were too tied up in there to move forward?
the second time they invaded hungary was by the Golden Horde, which never brought up the Numbers they had in the East
>they demanded submission from Hungarian royalty multiple times and tried to capture them to make Hungarians submit to them.
yeah and the only thing the hungarians could do is retreat and scatter as far as possible
If Ogedei didn't die and pushed more men into Hungary to replenish the overstretched supply lines, hungary would pretty much fall
>Hungary was in political disunity, and so was Poland, i guess mongols were nothing special for doing good against them one time.
so were the Rus, even more so and look what the Mongols did to them when they invaded in full force
they send 1 Tumen into poland which was enought to fuck the poles for over 4 decades
>let me remind you, it was about castles and how retarded it is to break siege
peak retard
how do you think the battle of Legnica was fought?
they abandoned the Siege of the Castle and fake retreated when the poles chased them and crushed them afterwards
>brown
projecting
>yet they still failed to subjugate and conquer Hungary nonetheless, i guess Hungarians were just that strong.
>lose half a mil of People
>let the Mongols Pillage and Enslave your Population for several decades, while you hide in other Countries
>need to over 4 decades to defeat a Force of 40k men of small Faction while hiring mercs from all over Europe
so strong lol

>>65566012
post eye colour

>>65566089
>more than 4 decades
when were all those 4 decades you keep bringing up?
>so they lost
they never got conquered like rusnigs did.
>yes they came back as a fractured branch of the mongols
the real mongols couldn't conquer fractured backwater of Europe that had almost nothing in comparison to Europe proper.
>yeah and the only thing the hungarians could do is retreat and scatter
they actually did gather forces and fight, even though most of their forces were peasant levies because nobility didn't want to follow their king.
>If Ogedei didn't die and pushed more men into Hungary to replenish the overstretched supply lines
where would these men come from? hungarians were unwilling to bend to them, despite the brutality.
>so were the Rus
rus were literally a slave colony for some Swedish nobility offshoots.
>how do you think the battle of Legnica was fought?
>they abandoned the Siege of the Castle
what was the name of the castle that the mongols besieged?
>projecting
brown
>so strong lol
stronger than every brown shithole that instantly folded to the mongols and carries their blood to this day. why couldn't they just do that, too?

>>65566092
post drinkable tap water, crime rate, average IQ and inbreeding rate

>>65565175
Chinese siege engineers were genuinely shit-tier. The literal height of siege weaponry they had access to was a man-powered catapult that was only useful against wood and earthwork defenses.

Kek the thurdies are really funny sometimese man....
They live vicariously through some warlord subhumans of the past that had like one centry of relevance(most of It being raping and gaping brown and yellow thurdies)before desintegrating against the first white people they met.

>>65562723
Personally I'm partial to landmines

>>65566129
post hair colour

>>65566152
post grip strength

>>65566133
that's some ultra cope
holy shit

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>>65566137
frfr

>>65566153
post nose

>>65566152
>>65566153
Why can't both of you just kiss, already. You both are bickering like a hormonal teenage girl.

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>>65566154
>that's some urtra cope
>hory shit

>>65566158
post child mortality

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>>65562723
nothing personnel... kid

>>65566154
I'm sorry the truth hurts little chinky. Meanwhile the height of European siege engines was the counterweight trebuchet, which the Mongols used to conquer the rest of China after learning about them from Crusader and Muslim siege engineers.

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>>65562723
no counter to puccias finest strategies xaxaxaxa

>>65566137
>desintegrating against the first white people they met.
And yet those "thirdies" are now flooding your country, taking awal your job, and polluting the "purity" of your country genetic bank.

>>65566183
>Puccia with donky managed to push ukraine back even tough they have better gear.
Skill issue, or western gears are shit?

>>65566189
>managed to push ukraine back
hasn't it been losing lots of ground around lyman these days?

>>65566184
>hehe we can't manage our own land so we'll ruin yours too, if you let us
weird flex
>taking awal your job, and polluting the "purity" of your country genetic bank
this doesn't actually happen, exactly because turdies are useless and repulsive vermin.

>>65566120
>when were all those 4 decades you keep bringing up?
first time the polish defeated the Mongols was in 1287
prior to that they were heavily defeated
>they never got conquered like rusnigs did.
because they only faced 10k to 30k men max in the later invasions
nowhere near 140k+ 40k mercs
>the real mongols couldn't conquer fractured backwater of Europe that had almost nothing in comparison to Europe proper.
they never came in full force to do so and despite their relatively small numbers they caused massive casualties
>they actually did gather forces and fight, even though most of their forces were peasant levies because nobility didn't want to follow their king.
and were defeated every time despite the limited numbers of the Mongol force
>where would these men come from?
from the east?
they had more than enough to triple that size, especially with all the captured Slavs from the Rus Principalities
>rus were literally a slave colony for some Swedish nobility offshoots.
imagine these fractured slave colonies defeating hungarians and germanic jihadis while at the same time being completely butt fucked by the mongols further east
lol
>what was the name of the castle that the mongols besieged?
it's in the name nigger
Liegnitz
>brown
projecting
>stronger than every brown shithole that instantly folded to the mongols and carries their blood to this day. why couldn't they just do that, too?
lmao
you are so fucking retarded
the mongols faced far greater casualties and defeats in the East and continued their Campaigns because they were determined to Conquest unlike in Europe
>carries their blood to this day
coming from who? a amerimutt with a genetic composition even God doesn't know

>>65566162
>>65566179
>Gunpowder that ended the Peasant slaving TinCans came to Europe thanks to Mongols
lol

>>65566260
plate armor came 100s of years after guns doebeit

>>65566238
>first time the polish defeated the Mongols was in 1287
>prior to that they were heavily defeated
how many mongol invasions of Poland were there and what do you think it would imply? try to think hard and slow here.
>in the later invasions
they never got conquered in the first or later invasions either
>they never came in full force to do so
they never encountered a full force against them
>and despite their relatively small numbers they caused massive casualties
they faced equally small numbers of forces.
>and were defeated every time
so they did in fact not just run away and sit in castles that mongols were completely toothless against?
>they had more than enough to triple that size
good luck supplying this force and leaving all the other lands undefended.
> especially with all the captured Slavs from the Rus Principalities
slavs would be utterly unwilling and useless as slaves to mongols as they were as slaves to Swedes
>imagine these fractured slave colonies defeating hungarians and germanic jihadis
whatever guano you're smoking is making your shitskin drivel even less legible.
>it's in the name nigger
>Liegnitz
when did mongols even touch the walls of Liegnitz?
>lmao
>you are so fucking retarded
the brownoid is getting more mad by the minute
>the mongols faced far greater casualties and defeats in the East
casualties? maybe. defeats? lmao no. chinks folded to mongols like tissue paper because they're gutless servile inept eunuchs.
>coming from who? a amerimutt with a genetic composition even God doesn't know
lmao, a mongol rapespawn calling anyone mutt and seething about Americans will never get old. ganges river is more pure and clean than your lineage.

>>65566260
>came to Europe thanks to Mongols
European recipe for gunpowder predates mongol invasions and shows no sign of being transmitted from abroad.

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>>65562723

Draw them into terrain that limits their movements. Big river to your back, and varies forests and rivers in general to slow maneuvering.

Hide additional forces in forests to race out when they're busy attacking.

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>>65562723
>How to counter horse archers
The perfidious anglo of course!

>>65566276
>how many mongol invasions of Poland were there
1st was with 10k men against 30k polish resulting in total defeat for the polish
2nd with 30k men resulting in polish defeat and 10k slaves
3rd was with 30k men (but with a fractured Golden Horde and rivaling Khans) resulting in Mongolian defeat
>what do you think it would imply?
1st was a Raiding Force, 2nd was a Enslaving campaign All the Battles inbetween resulted in complete butt fucking for the poles
3rd was a Raid from a fractured Golden Horde
>they never got conquered in the first or later invasions either
because no Conquest Force
>they faced equally small numbers of forces.
they were outnumbered most of the time
>so they did in fact not just run away and sit in castles that mongols were completely toothless against?
? their Dynasty fled and scattered all over Europe, and different Countries and on fortified Island in the Adriatic Sea
How can you catch them with a Force of 40k? every battle that the Mongols had to fight in Hungary, they won but couldn't reach out to places so far away with such a small Force
>good luck supplying this force and leaving all the other lands undefended.
who says the other lands would be undefeated if the Force was actually atleast 3 times the size?
>slavs would be utterly unwilling and useless as slaves
peak retard right here
>whatever guano you're smoking is making your shitskin drivel even less legible.
lmao historylet
1233 Battle of Shumsk Rus v hungarians, resulting in a Rus Victory
1238 Battle of Drohyczyn Rus v germanic jihadis resulting in a Rus Victory
imagine losing to slaves while they being dismantled by Mongols
>when Liegnitz?
1241
>casualties? maybe. defeats? lmao no.
Siege of Gurganj, Siege of Xiangyang, Vietnam
If the Mongols wanted, they would've captured Europe
>Mystermeat that was considered a Shitskin, becomes hwyte and Caucasian as soon as he gets the mutt nationality
lol

>>65566280
what?
first European Gunpowder recipe is from 1267
prior to the Mongol Invasion of Europe, nobody used anything with Gunpowder
first European Gunpowder Cannons are from 1340

>>65566389
>if the Mongols wanted, they would've captured Europe
But they did want to and failed.

>>65565440
But the mongols already retreaded before they knew about his death.

>>65566404
>first European Gunpowder recipe is from 1267
right, i misremebered it. still, it appeared in isolation far from any place in contact with the mongols and none of the neighboring countries that were actively fighting the mongols actually got it.
>first European Gunpowder Cannons are from 1340
actually 1320s is the time period

>>65566487
lack of determination and infighting was the key factor why they didn't push into Europe not some magical mud bricks

>>65566389
>resulting in total defeat for the polish
how is it a total defeat if they didn't conquer anything?
>1st was a Raiding Force, 2nd was a Enslaving campaign All the Battles inbetween resulted in complete butt fucking for the poles
3rd was a Raid from a fractured Golden Horde
now try to think a little bit and look at your "muh 47 years" quip, shit-for-brains.
>because no Conquest Force
but it was.
>they were outnumbered most of the time
they were outnumbered exactly once, and by peasant levies at that.
>? their Dynasty fled and scattered all over Europe
actually their dynasty returned once mongols couln't subjugate hungary and went back to ruling the country, transforming it greatly.
>every battle that the Mongols had to fight in Hungary
every battle except for all the battles of their second invasion, lol
>they won but couldn't reach out to places so far away
sounds like cope because they didn't win because they couldn't siege for shit.
>who says the other lands would be undefeated if the Force was actually atleast 3 times the size?
who says this force would change anything?
>peak retard right here
are you actually a mongoloid vatnigger monkey? that'd explain this
>Mystermeat that was considered a Shitskin, becomes hwyte and Caucasian as soon as he gets the mutt nationality
projection
>1238 Battle of Drohyczyn
nice made-up story
>germanic jihadis
not putting away that guano, are you?
>Siege of Gurganj, Siege of Xiangyang
so these failed sieges are totally legit victories but the sieges in Hungary don't count and aren't relevant despite mongols failing to subjugate and submit them, unlike the chink vermin above? cute.
>If the Mongols wanted, they would've captured Europe
and other cope fantasies subhuman churka rapebabies tell themselves

>>65566540
>lack of determination
hard to have that determination when you're incapable of establishing your rule or besieging castles, lol
>not some magical mud bricks
but enough about the heights of chink fortification engineering

>>65562723
Have your own horse archers, it's the only reliable method until flintlocks. Even afterwards, arguably. People will point out the Russians took over the steppes, but they did it with cossacks, their own home grown steppeniggers.

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>>65566513
>still, it appeared in isolation far from any place in contact with the mongols and none of the neighboring countries that were actively fighting the mongols actually got it.
nuh uh

>>65566561
wow, the recipe must've materialized in Europe out of thin air via teleportation magic, since there was exactly zero accounts of this anywhere else in the world besides those two places at the time.

>>65566553
>hard to have that determination when you're incapable of establishing your rule or besieging castles, lol
how can they besiege a castle with a force that wasn't mean to do it?
they completely wiped the floor with the polish in any battle up to 1287
>but enough about the heights of chink fortification engineering
coping

>>65566576
>how can they besiege a castle with a force that wasn't mean to do it?
all those catapults were for show, apparently. they totally didn't mean it and were just pretending, if they really wanted to they'd do it for sure. lmao.
>all this incessant seethe about poles
yep, this is definitely a zigger.

why aren't you in the meatwave, vanya?

>>65566576
>coping
you're the one who brought up mud bricks, pidor. do try to follow your own retarded drivel, as much as it's possible with such unintelligible ESL gibberish.

>>65566569
>nothing related to gunpowder existed in europe prior to mongols
>the recipe that comes up is a exact copy from the chinks
oh i wonder

>>65566598
>nobody else on the continent has figured out or realistically described mongols' gunpowder use, let alone recorded the recipe yet some English monk just had a secure phone line right to the top Khan who just messaged it to him from china.
>also, the first ever recorded European recipe doesn't actually include those additives
yeah bro totally believable chyna stronk.

>>65566583
>all those catapults were for show, apparently
a small force retard
>>65566595
>mud bricks
look at east europoor castles
are you guys some butthurt subhuman poolish that deny history?

>>65566620
>a small force
you keep repeating this cope yet the sieges were still there, and still failed.
>look at east europoor castles
the Hungarian castles mongols failed to take were stone. did you really forget this fact in your rage, shit for brains, or are you just pretending to ignore it? which one is it, pidor rapebably?
>butthurt subhuman poolish that deny history?
easy there, esl monkey, if you seethe too loud about poles the chechen fucking your mom will come and beat your ass again.

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>>65565280
Nothing personnel, kid.

>>65566548
>how is it a total defeat if they didn't conquer anything?
total defeat on the battlefied by a much smaller force
>"muh 47 years"
they raided inbetween the major raiding stages
>but it was.
10-30k vs 140k+ or 200k+
sure bud
>they were outnumbered exactly once
so they won the other battles against non peasent levies?
>actually their dynasty returned once mongols couln't subjugate hungary
they couldn't subjugate a country with a force of 30k men and never recieved the enforcement they needed because of political rivalry in the split of Golden Horde
>every battle except for all the battles of their second invasion
weakest point they have ever been, no accomplishment
>they didn't win because they couldn't siege for shit.
keep coping
>who says this force would change anything?
every example in history where they had a force over 30k men to actually conquer
>nice made-up story
cope more retarded historylet haha
>so these failed sieges are totally legit victories but the sieges in Hungary don't count and aren't relevant despite mongols failing to subjugate and submit them, unlike the chink vermin above? cute.
Mongols suffered much bigger Casualties in the East and besieged Castles and Cities for years, because they were determined to conquer and brought real invading forces
you can cope however you like but it won't change the fact the one reason, eastern euro shitholes atleast, were saved is the death of ogedei
>and other cope fantasies subhuman churka rapebabies tell themselves
big words from mysterymeat

>>65566629
seething poolacks confirmed lol

>>65566659
>total defeat on the battlefied
so not actually a total defeat, just a couple battles lost? good admission.
>they raided inbetween the major raiding stages
>10-30k vs 140k+ or 200k+
still a conquest force, because it was used to attempt conquest.
>so they won the other battles against non peasent levies?
that's not at all what i said or implied. put off the krokodil, shit for brains.
>they couldn't subjugate a country with a force of 30k men and never recieved the enforcement they needed
considering Hungary was many times smaller than rus, that's entirely on the mongols.
>because of political rivalry in the split of Golden Horde
ok so the invasions of Hungary and Poland don't count, since they were politically unstable at the time. got it, mongols didn't do anything in Europe.
>keep coping
keep seething zigger vermin
>every example in history where they had a force over 30k men to actually conquer
>i-it just doesn't count
>cope more retarded historylet
i have a history some turd worlder wrote up that says mongols were scared of Europe and they settled their fear by whipping and raping slavic monkeys instead. why are you such a historylet to deny this?
>Mongols suffered much bigger Casualties in the East
duh, east was that much bigger than Hungary.
>because they were determined to conquer and brought real invading forces
actually it's because chinks submitted to the mongools and were willing to do their bidding as footsoldiers, not because of some determination. the forces mongols themselves brought weren't that much bigger relative to the population.
>you can cope however you like but it won't change the fact the one reason, eastern euro shitholes atleast, were saved is the death of ogedei
actually it's because they were just more resilient and didn't bend the knee like subhuman slav monkeys did, which is why they won and slavs lost.
>big words from mysterymeat
you're the most mysterymeat mongoloid there is, your president literally boasts about it.

>>65566665
are you that mexinigger cum/chug/ger that tried to force his shitty memes for years seething about Poles? did one steal your girlfriend?

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>>65566612
>let alone recorded the recipe yet some English monk just had a secure phone line right to the top Khan who just messaged it to him from china.
>>also, the first ever recorded European recipe doesn't actually include those additives
legit retard or trolling?

>>65566729
>zero mentions of gunpowder in those works
>but the secret was totally there and made it through 3 hands to land in England, for sure
are you?

>inb4 more unrelated asspulled wikipedia screenshots

>>65566739
oh it's retarded and can't read
>mentions some islandmonkey monk
>no, source is not true
europeans totally discovered gunpowder on their own
>>inb4 more unrelated asspulled wikipedia screenshots
as opposed to the sources you posted?

>>65566705
tldr seething poolack
east euro shitholes were only saved by death of ogedei and political infighting of mongols
nothing more

>>65566776
>oh it's retarded and can't read
correct, you cannot. that's why you didn't address why nobody else mentioned mongolian gunpowder use or recorded a recipe despite being in much more close to them than some monks
>no, source is not true
wikipedia is not a source
>europeans totally discovered gunpowder on their own
yeah, this is most likely. just like they discovered firearms on their own, and evolved them into functional, practical weapons within a generation.
>as opposed to the sources you posted?
my source is your retarded statement and the gaping holes in it that you try to fill by deflecting to other topics from wikipedia

>>65566781
tldr euro cuck shitholes are demigods compared to brown rapespawn maggots like slavs, chinks and jeets, and apparently mexicans since you're there, macaco.

despite being weak from political infighting and underdeveloped those demigords endured and withstood mongol assaults singlehandedly while lesser nations fell.

>>65566784
>wikipedia is not a source
post yours
>yeah, this is most likely. just like they discovered firearms on their own, and evolved them into functional, practical weapons within a generation.
kek
fucking retard

>>65566790
sure bud
that's why euro shitholes couldn't defeat a mongol force of 10k for several decades

>>65566795
>post yours
i just did, it's your own retarded self-defeating posts
>kek
>fucking retard
yep, that's genuine turdie seethe right there

>>65566799
>couldn't defeat a mongol force of 10k for several decades
but they defeated it, by not submitting.

have slav(e) scum tried this even once in their pathetic history?

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>>65566802
so no source from you retarded fag?
ok got it

>>65566817
my source is a retarded fag, you got that right. it's you and your retarded wikipedia-reposting drivel.

>>65566803
so all the enslaved poolacks and hungarians didn't actually submit?

>>65566820
you retard can't even refute wiki articles because you have absolutely no source but your subhuman shizo mind

>>65566823
all the little few of them did not, because unlike servitude slavery doesn't require submission and is done forcefully.

but i don't expect a subhuman servile rapespawn to comprehend the difference.

>>65562857
>Catapults pestilence infected corpses over the wall
Have fun in there, fucko.

>>65566825
there's nothing to refute since wiki articles aren't sources, all i need to do is poke fun at your inability to actually argue with your toddler mind.

crying about me being mean to you won't change that.

>>65566828
ok mongol raped east euroshitter

>>65566834
post source for your eurocuck gunpowder claim you mouthbreather

>>65566835
>mongol raped east shitter
but enough about slav subhumans and their existence as rapemeat for mongols, tatars, chechens and pretty much all other central asians.

>>65566839
my source is the lack of any documents that would suggest transmission of gunpowder by any means other than teleportation.

Europeans are just this inventive and creative, it's obvious once you look at how they're responsible for basically every invention from that time onwards until today. stark contrast with asiatic mongoloid rapebabies.

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>>65562725
>tfw mongoloids conquered the largest expanse of empty wasteland on the planet only to be mogged by inbred ziggers

>>65566850
so no source just shizo thoughts from a mystery meatsack
ok

>>65566854
ziggers were literally mongoloids 2.0 riding on mongol coattails though.

>>65566858
>so no source
definitely not unrelated wikipedia screenshots., that's for sure.
>just shizo thoughts from a mystery meatsack
but enough about your butthurt anti-European seething, turdie macaco

>>65566864
>definitely not unrelated wikipedia screenshots., that's for sure.
so post a credible source and not your unmedicated shizo thoughts
>anti-European
not claiming that everything was invented by europe is now anti european
ok retard

>>65566872
>so post a credible source
why would i? humoring you would make a fool of me since i'd be held to a higher standard than you.
>not claiming that everything was invented by europe
gunpowder definitely was invented by chinks, but it was also invented by Europeans independently.

also, you've been screeching about east Euros stealing your girlfriend and triggering your inferiority complex this entire thread, you pathetic mutted mongoloid rapebaby.

>>65566879
>but it was also invented by Europeans independently.
general consensus says otherwise
>shit
>more shit
so you won't post source because it exists in your schizophrenia suffering mind?

>>65566891
>general consensus
wikipedia isn't it.
>shit
>more shit
are you talking about your post history?
>so you won't post source because it exists in your schizophrenia suffering mind?
i won't post a source because i never intended to engage with a shitskin turd worlder reposting unsourced wikipedia articles seriously.

>>65566898
>i never intended to engage
why engage for several hours with absolutely shit posts than?
>wikipedia isn't it.
ok post something better

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>>65562857
The Mongols busted through these walls in China before they even reach those flimsy European walls, the Mongols would be past that in no time.

>>65566907
well poking fun at you and making you mald by stating facts on the side was amusing to me.
>ok post something better
why would i? it's not like you deserve it.

>>65566908
cute dirt mounds, very flashy and implessive

i wonder what a European trebuchet would do to them...

>>65566908
something the retards here try to deny this whole thread
insane

>>65566913
yeah, the sinophobia runs rampant on this board, it's completely awful.

>>65566909
ok schizo
so no source
i accept your defeat

>>65566921
yeah, wikipedia is not a source so you're good to accept defeat. that's a good little brown monkey, knowing your place at the boots of your masters.

>>65566918
>sinophobia
more like mysterymeat trying to cling on euro history and posting completely incoherent shit

>>65566924
didn't read
schizo

>>65566926
can you type this again in English, the grammar is completely out of wack, mr brown shitskin?

>>65566930
oh, it's crying and clutching onto one little insult it's got left, how pathetic. a brown rat in a cage.

>>65566931
>>65566934
no source?
didn't read

>>65566937
wikipedia isn't a source, no matter how much of a tantrum you make.

how about you try to take some english lessons, then maybe you wouldn't be a laughingstock? although you'd still be a filthy mutted mongoloid rapebaby subhuman regardless, but you'd at least be able to hide it from a passerby sometimes.

>>65566940
>>65566937
.

>>65566943
>it's shut down completely
dawww

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>the noguns are fighting again
kino thread

>>65565414
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Legnica
They got up to Vienna but then Ogedei died like a retard alcoholic he was.

>>65565956
He didnt bring up rape, retard.

>>65566158
>>65566171
Post dick

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>>65566994
>They got up to Vienna
that's such an exaggeration

If you post some random stock image with a medieval theme about ancient weapons, mods will leave it up until the bump limit. Mods, do your fucking jobs.

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>>65565959
Yes. Americans are the descendants of those Europeans, you are a descendant of Arab mutts and Mongol rape babies.

>>65566184
Not anymore. That will be $500,000 plus tip to apply for an H1B visa and odds are 84% against you getting it, period. No refunds.

>>65566189
>Push Ukraine back
Six figures of dead Russians and your refineries are still burning. Meanwhile the US loses ten people and kills the entire Iranian government and takes all their oil hostage and you'll insist Iran is winning.

>>65566709
He got humiliated because he tried to spread this narrative that Poland would become a Russian Ally way back when and Poland instead became America's Even Bester Buddy.

>>65566911
It would do literally nothing.

>>65569486
>another shill bump from the bottom of the catalog

>>65569498
>respond to the dumbest post on the entire internet
>NOOO U A SHILL
You can launch rocks at dirt all day, it will get you nowhere. If you weren't a nogunz you'd understand that's what a backstop is, but you're a useless serf.

I hope when you die it is slow and as painful as possible, you deserve it for being a retard by choice rather than birth.

>>65569506
oof, this chinkshill sure is butthurt from being called out

>>65569511
If the Chinese government wants to sponsor my posts I will take payment in norinco firearms and ammo pls

>>65569519
you already take payments in semen donations though

>>65569539
I wish, the eunuch femboys they keep sending me can't cum, it's a tragedy.