What is the greatest deer caliber in your opinion? Don't give me the "there is no best" bullshit, almost everyone has an opinion on it and I want to hear yours
.270 Winchester
>>655631236.5 Swede (or 6.5 Creed if you're into more modern rifles)
>>65563123308 winchester
whatever full bore your local military usedeg: 303 British in down under
Just call in a PGM
360 BUCK BREAKER
>>65563123.358 Win. Fight me faggots.
30 30 in a lever action if youre moving, if youre larping as some sniper faggot then 308 or 270 with a $50 scope on a $250 bolt gun
>>655631236.5 creed. Ballistics are so simple that it takes the guesswork out of PoA and PoI thus resulting in more consistent shot placement. The ballistics are such that with just half-decent shot placement you'll get an ethical kill. People advocate for bigger cartridges because they compensate for poor shot placement.
>>65563186>Hating on the venerable all American hunting classic the .270 AND .308 WinRARDAY OF THE PILLOW CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH
>>65563191Any cartridge designed post 1940 is not a classic
7.62x39
>>65563123For most people? 30-30 in a lever gun or 7.62x39 if you want a semi-auto. For people in places where shots will reach out beyond 200 yards? Step it up to something like .308/30-06/6.5mememoor. The reality is the vast majority of people in the US live and hunt east of the Mississippi so 30-30 or 7.62x39 are more than accurate enough and they carry enough projectile weight to knock down just about anything commonly hunted in North America. Lever guns for the old farts or traditionalists, AK(or a x39 AR if you're a weirdo...) for the more modern memelords.
>High FOC single bevel 500g or greater broadhead
>>65563165This. I’ve been hunting for 25 years and .308 hits so much harder than 6.5. To be fair, deer get totally clobbered by even .243. But i’ve had more DRT results from .308 on deer than anything else. I’m talking a high shoulder shot that passes clean through but when cleaning the deer, the chest cavity is borscht soup wirh small chunks of heart, lung, and liver. Pic related 6.5 creedmoor vs .308
>>65563256>.270 Winchester >Introduction year is 1925>Not classicLMAOOOStill better than your obsolete bottle necked ballisticly inferior black powder converted to smokeless trash round. Not even legislation can save it as it's banned by virtue of not having a straight wall in the states it would make the most sense using for hunting purposes 350 Legend makes it entirely obsolete outside of nostalgia and LARP
>>65563127This, it's not even close
>>65563284thanks for the support, and there's a reason the .308 win has been adopted by militaries around the world as the 7.62x51mm round although its little different than the .308
>>65563123Depends on your terrain but .243 gets my vote.12/20 gauge.243.30-30.270/.308
7.62x54rAnything else, means you are a communist homosexual
>>65563353>Use this communist homosexual caliber if you don't want to be a communist homosexual like me, you communist homosexualWe get it, youre gay
>>65563123 Best? .22 eargesplittenloudenboomer.Works great but not quite the best: .308, .30-06, .303 british, sneedmore.Works good enough: .30-30Commie trash for commie trash: 7.62x39, 7.62x54r
>>655633647.62x54r is the only round. Way are you gay?
>>65563290Did you read my post? 270 is classic sure but 308 definitely not.
>>655631236.5 Arisaka is the best, all other 6.5s are for flaming homos. 30 cals are too fat and lazy to actually kill anything and anything that starts with a 2 is for LARPing
>>65563377>hehe I choose le heckin garbage rod round amirite fellow /k/ anons? rifle is fine blyat XD
>>65563378Both are superior to 30-30 in endEven 7.62x39 is as you can get pretty good soft point loadings and the Hornady SST offering
>>6556338930-30 has sovl though
>>65563395To reiterate >obsolete bottle necked ballisticly inferior black powder converted to smokeless trash round>350 Legend makes it entirely obsolete outside of nostalgia and LARPIt's 2026 anonWomen have rights, the coloreds can vote, and 44 magnum isn't the most powerful handgun round in the world
>>65563127fpbp
Una escopeta de doble cañón
>>65563411Mmm para sopa de macaco Uma delicia!
>>65563402Hunting itself is LARPing as long as grocery stores existLet me larp how I want, and you can larp how you want
>>65563419>Yes just depend your entire life on the collective yet private tax dollar subsidized but private profit food supply chain goy
>>65563127On paper it should be, but my friend who uses it has lost quite a bit of deer some fucking how. Maybe he’s just a terrible shot.
>>65563425Oh so you solely get all your food from hunting? How self sufficient anon i assume you also generate your own power to post here too
>>65563432Did Diogenes make his own barrels?
>>65563440I'm not a mythology autist so I don't know how apt this comparison is
>>65563460You're thinking about Dionysus, Greek God of plays, wine, and fertility. Diogenes is what happens when you lose the ability to produce your own insulin
>>65563123.30-30 master race.
>>65563123i live in the rockies, so .308 is my go to. not too destructive up close, great past a couple hundred yards. feels perfect taking a deer at any range with it.
.30-06, coast to coast, north or south, it can do it
>>65563432>you must be connected to the grid somehow >that means you should stop hunting and completely submit to the will of the stateI can't wait til euro anons are systematically banned for life
>>65563123There are literally hundreds of different cartridges that are good deer cartridges. Which deer cartridges have the history and vibe of deer hunting is a valid metric. Which cartridge is perfectly optimized for the specific shooting conditions you personally hunt is going to differ from person to person even within the same square mile. But, which cartridges are generally great across a wide variety of conditions plus which ones have that history and vibe leaves us with the following:- .270 Win for the Great Plains and Mountain West- .30-30 Win for the forested eastern US and the Great Lakes Region.- .257 Roberts for the open farmland areas of New England and East of the Ohio River.- .303 British for Canada- 6.5x55 Swede for Norway (Norwegians shoot EVERYTHING with 6.5 Swede).Honorable mentions:.243 Win, .30-06, .308 Win, 7mm-08, .44 Mag, .280 Rem, .25-06, .30-40 Krag, .35 RemIf we look at sheer number of deer taking by each cartridge, .270 Winchester has probably taken more mule deer than any other cartridge and .30-30 Win has probably taken more whitetail deer than any other cartridge.
>>65563526You're thinking of Darrell in accountingDiogenes is what happens when you put a prime 4chan autist in ancient Greece and have him taught by a student of Socrates (a dude called Antisthenes)
>>6556312314.5x114 APHEI (the deer may be behind up to 15 mm of hardened steel)
>>65563132Man I was just going to suggest the Swede.I genuinely think it's still just as good as 6.5 creedmore too, for really anything. It's only fault is not being able to fit in an AR10.
>>65563839>(the deer may be behind up to 15 mm of hardened steel)Hate when that happens
>>65563123My heart belongs to .280 Ackley Improved even though .280 REM had .270 Winchester consign it to the bowels of history and the only advantage of .280AI over 7mm mag is magazine capacity (you can fit 280 AI in the same spaces as .30-06, so on a normal long action bolt gun you’re giving up 100FPS on 7mm Mag to load 5 instead of 3). It’s not classic or maybe even optimal (plenty of arguments it’s too much cartridge for some environments), but it brings so much capability to the 06 bolt face that I can’t help but love it.My ideal 4 rifle gunsafe is a 6mm ARC semiautomatic, a .280 AI controlled feed bolt gun, a .45-70 lever action, and a 9.3x74r double.
>>65563265This. There is also a big difference between smacking 140 lbs acorn eaters in the Carolinas inside 100 yards, 200+ lbs corn fed hogs in Kansas at 200 yards, and sniping mulies in Montana at 300+ yards. Horses for courses but imo if I can only have one .308 gets the nod.
>>65563817Why was he so anti-sthenes? The fuck is wrong with sthenes?
>>65563123My dick
>>65563923.280 Rem is just Remington cribbing Brenneke's homework 40 years later and hoping nobody would notice. The fucking things are so comparable that you can safely reload 7x64 with .280 Rem load data, which is wild.
>>6556436622lr is not ethical for deer Anon
>>6556312310mm auto
50 BMG
>>65563123Penis.
>>65563123.350 legend if youre in a retarded straight wall only state
>>655631236.5 creedmoor worked well for me
>>65563402>It's 2026 anon>Retarded shit, retarded shit, gay shitChecks out.
>>65563923
>>65564592How far did it run?
>>65564596.44 Magnum, Dirty Harry, and especially Clint Eastwood are gay, yes. People have been saying this since the 80s.
>>65563623Never said you should stop hunting. I just said it is a larp. Thats why I do it, to larp
>>655646370 feet
>>65563858>It's only fault is not being able to fit in an AR10.
>>65564655>12.1 lbs
>>6556312316 gauge
>>65564655Just swap in a pencil barrel, waffle stock, and a 2-7x33 or something
>>65563127.270 masterrace
>>65564645That's not larp. By that logic everything that's not getting welfare is a larp
My 20 gauge
>>65564714Maybe not a larp, but something you do because you want to and not because you need to. Like golf. Its simply a game
>>65564725It's a different means to the same end. Unless going to the grocery store is ALSO a larp
>>65564725before the Internet melted our brains we called things like that a "hobby"
>>65563123It literally depends on the terrain.>Thick wooded areas45-70>Open plains.270
I like 300 win mag. It’s probably a little overkill for deer but I like the option to be able to take a deer at 500 yards or fill out a bear tag if I stumble on one during my hunt.
>>655631237mm rem mag
>>65564743Sometimes you just know you're yelling at a fucking 19 year old
>>65564598You two just made multiple marksmanship/hunting content creators cry by poking fun at Ackley Improved cartridges. The "Backfire" dude is obsessed with them.
>>65564792I don't really get the hype behind them personally. Burn the shit out of your barrel and lock yourself out of everything except your own handloads to maybe debatably kill the whitetail eating your trash 2% deader.
>>65563123.45-706.5x50 Arisaka7x57 Mauser 8x57 Mauser
>>65564639Post funs.
>>65564907It's a family of cartridges specifically designed for handloaders; you're not locking yourself out of anything, as you can fire the original cartridge the AI is replacing on the AI gun (shoot the .243 Winchester out of the .243 AI chamber, and now you've fireformed a case for .243 AI, or shooting a .280 Remington out of a .280 AI chamber to fireform the case for .280 AI). The .280 AI is the most famous because its the only one that now has factory ammunition for it.
if its a gun just for deer, .270.i just use 30-06 as an all-rounder (plus i love 30-06)
>>65564977That's funny, because I use 44 magnum in a lever action for everything.
>>65564720Meant to include it's a 3 inch Rottweil Brenneke slug.
25-06 go fast, shoot flat
>>65564919Only two of the funs I have
>>65565395Which is better? I’ve been eyeing both of these.
>>655631235.56/.223
>>65565474For everyday carry? Shadow 2 Carry easily. 15 rounds in the standard mag with the original base plate is great, small overall, and the slide already comes optics ready with cowitness height if using the EPS Carry or similar optics that direct fit to the slide. Less expensive than the 92LTT I have and the trigger is *almost* as good out the box as the LTT. My 92LTT Centurion has the NP3 coated parts which gives everything a slick feel to it. No hangups anywhere or grittiness at all in the trigger pull. Definitely added to the lead time, and the RDO cut already has a lengthy lead time.
i only have a 30-06 for big gameso its 150 grain for deer, and 180 grain for moose
>>65565482
>>65563297You can’t really compare military fmj vs modern expanding hunting ammo. I’d rather be hit by 150gr fmj 308 than 140ish Vmax 6.5. Expanding 165gr+ 308 ammo is absolutely brutally lethal inside a quarter mile. I’d be fine taking mine for grizzly and buffalo
>>65563127Fuck yeah!!
Deer hunting arguments on the internet almost always start because of the differences between deer that people are talking about.When you get people saying they take deer with .223 you inevitably get someone freaking out that its basically animal cruelty, but the important difference is the shooter was talking about taking the smaller deer like the southern white tails we have her in Texas, versus something nearly twice or three times larger like a Mule Deer.Anyway, for me it would still be .308. It just werks.
>>65563127It just looks retarded when you line all these cartridges up and the differences between them is little pinches here and there >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.270_Winchester#/media/File:.30-06_offspring.jpg
>>65563123If you can simply headshot only fuck it dude .17 HMR
>>65563618May as well go with a 308 then it's just the same thing but smaller
>>65563839thats why they call it hunting not killing
>>65564749I love when I see snipers with 300 WINMAG it makes the world feel special
>>65565752.308 fags seem to live in a world where reloading is completely non-existent
my cousin uses 300ultramag and always gets a muledeer opening day. he may be onto something
>>65564749>or fill out a bear tag if I stumble on one during my hunt.Where are you where gun season is open for both simultaneously?
>>65565797On the contrary, even with reloading you're not getting much out of the extra case capacity except in the extremes
>>65565797 Even if you dont reload 30-06 has more bullet options from commercially produced ammo. Like 220 grain
>>65565823What commercial 220gr are you finding? 1:10 won't even stabilize that (assuming lead core)
>>65565823>>65565834Hang on, on remembered that round nose 220gr ought to stabilize in a 1:10. You can peobably find a factory load of that somewhere
>>65565834Core lokt
>>65565811>except in the extremes>extra half inch of caseDude you could have just not replied instead of making a fool of yourself
>>65565958what are you going to do with it when you have less pressure to play with (or the same pressure in practical reality), same bullets and the same twist rate?
>>65565976But you can run heavier bullets doe
>>65566063You can in .308, too.
>>65566070With more powder behind it.
I don’t see much reason to use anything but .308.It’s the cheapest and most available hunting round from what I can tell.I don’t think there’s game .308 can’t take.
>>65566081To an extent. You still have a maximum pressure. You can use slower burning powders with heavier bullets if you have lots of barrel length to play with without having to think about compressed loads, this is one of those "extreme" cases I mentioned. Where at the extreme end of the caliber you can eke out some more velocity given some crucial details like barrel length
>>65566093Your mom because of how fat she is lmao
>>65566118done 'im
>>65563123I've gotten one mule deer a year since I started hunting at age 10 in 2002, including youth tag doe, regular tag bucks, and special tag big bucks a few times, all of them with the same .22-250 rifle my dad bought in 1995. It seems to work pretty alright.
>>65564592Me too.>>65564637Mine was also DRT at 370 yards. Shot a mountain goat a couple weeks ago at 200 yards, same thing. Bullet>cartridge, the wounds produced by a .264 ELD X are wayyy bigger than I was getting using hot 168gr TTSX out of my .30-06. My sample size with the 6.5 is still small but I had some long runs with a bigger gun using harder bullets.
>>65564730I'm absolutely obsessed with hunting, but I accept that only a small part of the drive is for food. I eat everything that I kill and don't kill what I won't eat (for the most part) but if all I cared about was meat, I would just zero in on easy doe or any-buck areas and shoot the first legal animals I saw until I had my limits. I could do this with any old shitrod rifle. It would probably take me 2-3 days. Instead I spend all season looking for trophy animals in circumstances I find exciting.
>>65564659Fine for a stand or blind.
>>65566105All that effort and still not make a case for .308 in a thread that's about personal favorite deer cartridges
>>65566281You admit to not hunting for food, that food is more a byproduct of hunting, for you. That's great that's why you hunt, but some really do actually hunt for food.
>>65565800Fagofornia
>>65565797I have a .30-06, and no .308, and all I shoot is handloads but these days I wish I'd just gone for the .308. A potential 150-200fps more isn't worth the inefficiencies, and when you're reloading for precision you sure appreciate more modern case design. It's fun to play with heavier bullets but few people actually hunt with them.Never going to sell the gun as I kilt me a lot of animals with it and it's a superb rifle overall (CRF Winchester 70). Just wish I wasn't burning that extra 10 grains of powder for next to nothing. The difference in precision between virgin and fire formed brass is also more pronounced than I find with my 6.5CM, which is annoying (caveat, I need a somewhat larger sample size than I have now, but the trend is there). I basically have a throwaway firing on modern brass.
Lots of hunters over on rokslide seem to really like .223 77gr TMK. Never tried it myself but it’s been used to great effect on deer, elk, black bear, etc
>>65566297I mean, I do. I have no desire to buy meat. It's just that hunting is also my hobby and passion.Anyway there's no argument here, except that hunting as we know and love it is more cultural than anything else. Depending on your level of opportunity, if all you want is meat you would be better off making money with the time you spend going after deer, and you'll quickly arrive at the same conclusion unless you actively enjoy the process.
>>65566318Love those threads, love watching the seethe. I'm not going after anything with my .223 any time soon but magnumfags, copperfags etc absolutely blown the fuck out. The bullet matters more than the caliber and fragmentation is good.
>>65566345>copperfagsDo you mean monolithics? I've heard from some pretty reputable sources that they're great for hunting as long as you select the right bullet for the target
>>65566318I think it’s fine for small deer and black bear are easier to knock down than most people realize. Seriously think “big coyote” instead of “small polar bear” in terms of squishiness. Elk I call bullshit on.
>>65566345>>65566363If you don't carry a big horn 500 lever action for rabbit all the way up to blue whales, you're literally probably gay.
>>65566318I’ve killed a bunch of deer with 60 grain Barnes TSX bullets, but using an AR pistol was cope to let me get rifleish performance in a “shotgun or pistol only” zone. This year I’m able to use a rifle because the DNR repealed that restriction and I’m not in one of the counties that banned rifle hunting altogether to try and do an end run around the DNR rule change, so this year I’m using a Swede Mauser.
>>65566382A well constructed 5.56 bullet will penetrate several feet into flesh. The dangers of smaller, lighter bullets are excess deflection if you hit bone (which can turn a kill shot into a painful injury) and a smaller permanent wound channel, which means you have less forgiveness on your shot placement and slower death when shooting in a place where the principle fatal injury is done to blood vessels. Plenty of chugs kill elk and moose with 55 grain FMJ.
>>65566413Mmhmm I’ve also seen plenty of chuds dump 6-7 shots of .243 into a moose before it dropped. I’m sure you can probably get three or four into an elk easily but that’s not really the standard we’re looking to uphold here now is it?
>>65566413>>65566428Yes, and I hunt grizzly with a 40 grain 22lr. It's all about shot placement.
>>65566438And volume apparently if you’re a little Indian girl hiding in a bush kek
>>65566441Lol
>>65566317>isn't worth the inefficienciesWhat are those inefficiencies
>>65566413>Plenty of chugs kill elk and moose with 55 grain FMJ.That doesn't sound very ethical.
>>65566363Incredible penetration, narrow wounds. I used to shoot 168gr Barnes TTSX out of my '06, I no longer see the point in using a bullet that will give me 3 feet of penetration on an animal that's 16" across at the shoulders. Had some long runs on deer and deer sized game. A 165gr Speer Hot-Cor will still exit on broadside shots and does way more internal damage at literally 1/4 the cost. >>65566475Burning 20-30% more powder and generating 20-30% more recoil for a 5-7% increase in velocity. That velocity gain doesn't result in any significant improvement in hit probability or lethality. I used to care less when powder was cheaper and I shot fewer rounds practicing.
>>65566428whatbulletwhere?
>Reeeee muh Ruger Harrier can totally drop an elk that’s quartering away from 20 yards with a heart shot you just need to git gut newfag reeeeeeeeeeee
>>65563123A 180 grain bonded soft point. Doesn't really matter what's pushing it.>>65563132Honorable mention, the 6.5 is like a 750cc motorcycle, it's just the perfect size for human men.>>65563256Sorry you can't get down with Real Fucking NATO, you'd be a lot cooler if you did.>>65563384Weak b8>>65563395It does.>>65563419They don't sell venison at my local grocery stores. And for me it's by far the cheapest way to get local, sustainable, grass-fed, free range, ethically raised meat.>>65566262 i kneel, this nigga knows ball
>>6556312322lr to the head
>>65564351The distances matter a lot more than the relative size of the animals, they get taller, they get more muscle at the shoulder, but the vitals themselves aren't that deep (rib to rib) even on a cranker muley
>>65563123>What is the greatest deer caliber in your opinion?>22LR.Has easily taken more deer at night than many other calibers have during the day.
>>65566818>Has easily taken more deer at night than many other calibers have during the day.Do people still poach nowadays? Game wardens are so hungry for collars that they'll try and arrest innocent people, so I figured it was because there aren't enough legitimate criminals for them to catch.
>>65566986Oh yeah. Post up at a good vantage point in the Ozarks after midnight and you can watch the headlights slow rolling and sweeping the fields.
Anons. I have a decision to make. .375 H&H or .416 Rigby? I want to over penetrate at every angle.
>>65567053.416 right now and then get the .375 later
>>655631237mm Rem Mag works everywhere at all ranges and turns everything it hits into fucking jelly.
.357 mag works pretty well
Where I live we have tiny Sitka Black Tail deer. The body is the size of a large dog with little stick legs. I use a 30.06 with 180 grain noslers because Brown Bears, Moose, Wolves try to kill you and I want something that kills them back.
Behold, the most powerful cartridge of all! You know because it's so long
>>65565724Ok dude
>>65563180>Why should I bear any hatred for someone that is oblivious weaker than myself? All I feel is pity.Picrel is 3500 fps 124 gr hollow point screamer handloads. The fireball and concussion from the bare muzzle is more severe than any muzzle brake on a 308 or 300 win mag
is .35 whelen overkill for east coast deer? I want to build the ultimate fudd gun that can kill anything on the continent, but realistically it's not going to shoot anything but whitetail and pigs.
>>65563123>terrain>ranges>shot type viability (quartering, shoulder, spine, neck, brain)>bullet construction (meat preservation or dgaf)>price>niche jurisdiction/season limitations (blackpowder)>>65567881>is .35 whelen overkill forLol lmao. Could load it lighter.
>>65563123Just whatever you fancy, whatever's your pleasure, deer can't use guns anyway
>>65567096>turns everything it hits into fucking jellyMeat destruction, sweet!
>>65566593You don't hunt
>>65564366is this the thread?
