What rifles will they use? M4s? M14s? Garands, 1903s? Sig M7s?I vote for P90s.
Given the recent trend of botched executions they’ll use 9mm.
1903 Springfields1 bullet in each rifleHalf with blanksThat is tradition
why dont they just shoot them in the back of the head and call it a day?
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>>65565712>YOU CAN HELP BY EXPANDING THIS LIST
>>65565701>>65565714What's going on at fort hood?
>>65565740Wound vectors.
>>65565712Thought tradition was one wax bullet.
>>65565740Preemptive curse for changing the name.
>>65565701Fort Hood is an armor base, so 120mm>Just fuck my shit up
>>65565825Based and Best Korea pilled.
>>65565701A Mk19 could be new and novel way of doing it
>>65565740Ah you know, the usual
>>65565719>Fucking things are out of stock everywhere
>>65565714>You can help by expanding this list
>>65565701>>65565712>>65565825RETVRN
>>65565701>fort hoodGot to tie up all the loose ends with the organized drug running, assassinations, and rapes.
>>65565701Five Sevens would be the funny choice.>>65565825That'd be even funnier, I vote for this.
>>65566090this wouldn't damage the cannon?
>>65565707M17 and at least one guy in the squad has the gun go off in its holster and hit him in the leg.
>>65566414Reduced charge and he's not flush against the muzzle, no damage.
>>65565701Are they gonna livestream it?
>>65565701>1903sthat would be so fvcking based.
>>65565788This
>>65566419M17 and all executioners will simultaneously throw their guns on the ground in front of the convictIf he survives, it is to be considered an act of God and he will be allowed to live out his sentence instead
>>65566414That poor cannon.
>>65565701Army manual says eight standard service rifles. So it'll be M7's or M4's.
I would request Springfield trapdoors chambered in .50-70.
>>65566493Can they even be zeroed for 3 yds? Otherwise they'll just perforate the prisoners stomach, which would be very funny but not the desired instakill.
So how does this work, do they just pick some random guys from a unit?
>>65565714>17 years laterHow many people on the firing squad would have even been in service back then?
>>65566760I'd imagine it would be MPs because they're the ones that run the prisons.
>>65565701>I vote for P90s.I vote they borrow some "rifles" from the Navy.
>>65565701>>65566493M7s would be cool so they could have actual terminal ballistic results on a living human.
>>65566760They should offer slots to the wounded survivors.
>>65566761Who cares
>>65566760They ask for volunteers. And they will get A LOT of volunteers. When Utah exscuted Ronnie Lee Gardner they ask for volunteers from corrections officers and got like 300 applicants.
>>65566747True, but it's also a pretty simple thing to shoot at a target at 3 yards, see where the bullets land and adjust until they hit the desired anatomy (heart im guessing), then tell the shooters where to aim at during the execution.
>>65565825>120mmWith M1028.
>>65566090Designated shitting tube (this launches the jeet)
>>65565701>Caliber choice?Put me in, coach!
>>65566414Even if it perfectly sealed, the fleshy human bits give way and release the pressure long before the cannon would have issues.
>>65565701Why don't we just donate death row criminals to shooting ranges?
>>65565701That piece of shit muslim traitor scum should have been hanged by the neck until dead will over a decade ago.
>>65565712>1 bullet in each rifle>Half with blanksThis makes absolutely zero fucking sense, anon.As far as I know, the tradition is to have ONE rifle loaded with a blank round, while the rest are live.
>>65566747>>65566805God you're fucking stupid.That's not how holdovers work.Absolute worst case scenario the point of impact would be like 2.5" off the point of aim.Any reasonably trained shooter knows holdovers and compensates accordingly.Lurk moar and do nor post again until you are no longer a moron.
>>65566760>do they just pick some random guys from a unit?They'll form a detail from volunteers or chosen personnel, working at The United States Disciplinary Barracks there at Leavenworth. They'll rehearse it accordingly, and conduct the execution professionally, and in accordance with guidance and regulations.
They actually use a big revolver that has a flag come out that says BANGAfter a good laugh, they hack him to death with dull mower blades
>>65566432I wish, but that would make him a martr.
>>65565962Because FN hates you, or because SBR & FRT legal status has made them suddenly desirable. You be the judge.
>>65565825But then what kind of 120mm? Canister? Sabot through the chest?
>>65567331Each cannon is randomly loaded with one, plus one with a blank shell
Do they make 120mm flares? Like, just as a thought.
>>65565701picrel
>>65566414They'll never get the smell out, I know that much.
>>65565701>>65566963>>65565712>>65566963>As far as I know, the tradition is to have ONE rifle loaded with a blank round, while the rest are live.You didn't hear this from me, but it's:12 riflemen11 rifles, all Winchester 30-30, loaded with live rounds, 12th is "blank"Rifles are loaded by 2 people who each verify the rounds in all 12Rifles are then placed in a room where 2 other people come in and randomly shuffle them around.Rifles are then handed out by 2 more different people in another random manner (the lot is triple blind now)Riflemen must all take aim and must all shoot at the same time (it's a court martial if you do not pull the trigger, and/or do not aim properly, this is all recorded)Rifles are now returned, where they go through another triple blind process so the 2 people who unload them do not know who had which one.
>>65566493M7's would be interesting. Army brass might want to see what the rounds actually do to meat.
>>65567598Why bother with the blank? Recoil difference would be very noticeable both to the shooter and anyone watching.
>>65567630The shooters are less likely to hesitate if they know they might be the guy who has the blank, so goes the theory.
>>65565714what was this guys name again?ah i seewhy did he do it?oh i see
>>65567630Shooter can gaslight themselves later about how they totally had the blank as the details of the memory fades but the guilt doesn't, if they feel any about it
>>65567638They're all volunteers, who would feel guilt?
>>65567641Someone who 2 years later realizes that they weren't hard enough to kill a defenseless man in cold blood without any remorse, even if he totally deserved it and a painless death is too nice for him I say as an internet tough guy who also doesn't have to back up the sentiment with actions
>>65566459BASED pedo Springfield appreciator
>>65565701For irony's sake? FN Five-seven.
>>65567331>But then what kind of 120mm? Canister? Sabot through the chest?You don't need a shell, just the powder charge.
>>65566959This, who gives a fuck in >present year
>>65565740Depression, gay sex and murder.
>>65567598This is needlessly gay. How about you pick a group of men that arent FAGS and know theyre doling out JUSTICE then give em all loaded guns knowing full well what they're doing instead of this>well maybe it wasnt ME bullshit
>>65565825>>65566816>>65567331Let's not be barbarians here, we have the technology these days. Point detonating mode or otherwise airburst about a foot before impact.>>65566462>Throwing a Sten into a room like a grenade 2.0
>>65565701Most american dude ive ever seen
>>65567954Is it because you see yourself in him?
>>65565701>P90sThat would be actual justice.
>>65567819Well put, Mr. Hegseth
>>65567819because taking a life, even that of a criminal, is to be done in a just and Christian manner. You barbarian.
>>65567986God would just kill him outright though, without some plausible deniability shit. He's done it before, He's done it a lot
>>65567986Like burning at the stake?I completely agree
>>65567819This.
>>65565701WHY DO YANKS COMPLICATE THINGS? Just guillotine the crim. Fool proof, works 100% of the time and instantaneous.
>>65567995Only if theyre adulterers.
>>65567995I was more thinking stoning, possibly crucifixion
>>65565701why wait 11 years for an execution? seems like a huge waste of taxpayers' money to me>muh paperwork, muh permitsnigga a bullet costs like 10 cents, and if you hang him any rope would do the trick, literally the cheapest conceivable way to deal with a criminal.
>>65568188Short answer: the Supreme Court fucked up the desth penalty in the 70s and said people condemned to death ahve a right to basically infinite apppeals.
>>65567598This sounds gay af. Why not just get some actual psychopath, give a .45 handgun and have him just put a few rounds in the guy's (or girl's) head point blank and be done with it? I'm sure there are more than enough unhinged retards out there who would delight at the possibility.
>>65568139Uhhhh ackshually we've never proven that people can't survive without a head and I heard this one time someone's eyes reacted to light for like 10 minutes after being debodied and I bet it hurt or something so uhhhhhh it's not incredibly fucking obviously instant and foolproof because I absolutely refuse to look into it any deeper than that. PLUS it seems kinda MEAN and makes me feel bad and stuff (fuck the condemned's right to a painless death really, this is all about how I feel)
>>65567598people do realize that someone has to perform the injection to execute a person, right? Are we really going to sit here and act like it is reasonable to give soldiers blank rounds when we literally ask them to blow people up in their sleep?
>>65567644So a pussy then?
>>65568759
>>6556570122 Dragons breath.
>>65568762Mein nigger its a shitskin who shot up a base because they didn't have any guns readily available, who was caught red handed thereby casting zero doubt as to his guilt, and his politics have zero correlation with anybody shooting him. What possible problem could you have with putting a bullet through his skull unless they were in fact a total pussy? The point being made is that the old blank cartridge trick only works on retarded conscripts pre-WW2 who barely even got to fire their rifles. It's just a waste of time to even bother. Probably be better just have a dedicated executioner who like killing people to save on time and bullets.
>>65568775That's nice sweaty, but it turns out that in the real world, executing a defenseless human can weigh heavy on the soul even if you know he deserved it, and the act of putting in a blank is negligible amounts of extra work while giving every member of the firing squad the ability to gaslight themselves into thinking they had the blank and sleep a little easier at night
>>65568780Do you know this to be true or are you just parroting western "wisdom" on the matter?
>>65568786Do you know this not to be true despite decades of psychological research into the trauma suffered by Nam and Sandbox vets as well as police, or are you just parroting internet tough guy wisdom on the matter?
>>65568789>nam and sandbox vetsCompletely different circumstances
>>65565701410 ratshotkeep shooting until he dies
>>65568780Anybody who cares about his worthless life is by definition a pussy. The fact that pussies exist doesn't mean we shouldn't deride them. You're confusing the desire to be edgy, ie to stand out from the crowd, with a desire to have a general body of soldiers who don't give a shit about killing the shitskin in question or really any other prisoner. Those are two very different things and the only reason you falsely equate the to is an attempt to appeal to faggy emotionality on /k/ of all boards. Where do you think you are?
>>65569075>you're falsely equating two things>pay no attention to me conflating killing during combat with executing a prisoner
>>65569075Nobody is impressed with you... you don't come off as a hard man just because you think you could handle executing someone. You haven't killed shit, you're an obese keyboard warrior who is too stupid to not keep your mouth shut when adults are discussing matters of importance and would probably piss your pants if you had to fire a gun at a person. and let me guess, you stand with Israel?
>>65568789Firstly I'm pretty sure that 90% of PTSD cases are fake, because everybody I know who claimed it to get more bennies openly admits to faking it to get said gibs. Secondly the cause of PTSD isn't shooting raghead kiddies but constant stress due to a high tempo of action like daily patrols which cause the brain to become adjusted to constant stimulus and stress and then when that is withdrawn you basically get the combat equivalent of the DTs because the physiological process is behind it is similar to building up a tolerance to a drug.For a faggot who appeals to "research" and general consensus, questionable or not, you don't seem to understand the underlying phenomena behind this shit. Also it could be said that rather than hiring average joes or even pussies ala the post WW1 recruiting system we should be paying the soldiers more and applying higher standards in order to cultivate an army of merciless killers. If only because they would be more combat effective during periods of prolonged stress as they simply don't react as strongly to the stressors in the first place.If you for example raised PT standards to ridiculous heights but simultaneously paid them 100k a year and increased the tempo of training so soldiers weren't sitting around as much being nuisances to one another in order to simply pass the time it would probably increase the rate of retainment and if need be act as a core upon which a conscript force could be built.
>>65569098Once again, my retarded friend, there's a hefty difference between killing someone during combat operations where they're shooting back at you, which still can and will fuck you up as well demonstrated by all the WII vets who didn't have a good time when they came back, and executing a helpless prisoner in cold blood, even if they very much deserve a more painful death then a firing squad gives.
>>65569097You're overplaying your hand. The chance of a random poster on /k/ being obese, scared of firearms, and never having killed anything when hunting and livestock raising are so common if really fucking low.You don't seem to get it. Being willing to execute somebody, especially the mudman in question, doesn't make you hard. It makes you normal and not a total pussy. It should be considered the bare minimum not for a soldier but for any man in general. It's not exactly a high bar.Also I want o murder all jews, but not the reasons you might think.
>>65568139Executions aren't meant to be merciful, it's by design. They are meant to a.) meant to be a demonstration of the state's absolute and terrible power and b.) now they try to minimize the amount of "killing" that the executioner(s) have to do. Strapping someone to a gurney and jabbing them a million times with needles and doing a worse job at hitting a vein than a fent junky, and then instead of just making them overdose on anesthetics, injecting them with some awful drug cocktail that ensures their final moments will likely be writhing in agony and pissing themselves is a horrible way of executing someone and it's by design. It's a humiliating and disgusting death, just like the electric chair (super fucked up and retarded) and gas chamber. Vets put down animals more humanely and so does Canada's "assisted suicide" program. Much like how they historically reserved the firing squad and beheadings for soldiers and nobility and then the regular people got hanging and whatever other horrible methods they could come up with, there's a certain dignity that comes with the firing squad that the other methods don't have. You might even get to look heroic during your death by firing squad much like quiet a few historic figures.A quick bullet to the back of the head or heart is too clean and merciful
>>65567598Who cares? This isn't John Smith who refused an order to shoot the Jerries on Christmas, this is Hasan Mohammed Muhammed Muhamed who slaughtered his and their brothers-in-arms in an act of Islamic terror. People would be lining up to pull the trigger.
>>65567819It's so the VA can deny your claim for PTSD when you get out.
>>65569098PTSD is literally for VA benefits, 100% disability for PTSD after your 3-year contract is better money than E-7 retiring at 20. With BRS making future retirements only 40% of base pay, I would guess that now it's on the same level as E-8 at 20. And it's tax free unlike the retirement check. And you get it after 3 years of service instead of 20 which due to the time-value of money is even more valuable.The DoD needs to stop the VA Mental Health grift to save billions, but I fear the entire system is going to get caught up in the overcorrection and end up hurting people who legitimately have had their bodies and lives ruined by military service in support of whatever it is we keep doing in the middle east.
>>65565707This comment was hilarious and should have gotten more engagement in this thread .
>>65568351That's how the Soviets did it in their execution basements. Are you a godless commie?
>>65569123>Executions aren't meant to be merciful, it's by design.Literally every method of execution is meant to be more merciful than the mode of execution it replaced. Taking the life is the demonstration of the power of the state, not making people watch an incompetent try to find a vein and fail.
>>65569476the gas chamber, electric chair and lethal injection WERE NOT more merciful than the firing squad or properly done long drop hanging
>>65569491They were absolutely meant to be, and were also designed to take the spectacle away. Additionally, "properly done" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
>>65569495>were also designed to take the spectacle away>electric chair>no spectaclelol>>65569491Lethal injection should be the simplest, utterly painless, zero spectacle, clinical way to kill somebody. Administer a huge painkiller OD. That's it. Veterinarians have been doing it for one hundred years. Fucking it up implies malicious incompetence by the administering physician.
>>65569512>administering physicianTurns out finding a doctor who's okay with involuntarily killing people isn't easy, same with drug manufacturers who're okay with supplying the chemicals to kill a human, so yes, they tend to be incompetent and poorly done
>>65569512>Fucking it up implies malicious incompetence by the administering physician.a doctor who agrees to break his Hippocratic oath is likely incompetent to begin with
>>65569495>They were absolutely meant to beThey were meant to APPEAR to be. We like to think ourselves the pinnacle of civility and goodness, regardless of what the reality is. The reason some people cling to lethal injection isn't because it's more merciful, but because it looks cleaner and more boring. More sterile. So people carrying out executions can feel more removed from the reality that they're snuffing out a captive human in a controlled environment. It has fuck all to do with it being the most efficient or painless death possible for the condemned; it's all about the fee fee's of the executioners and the public.And then there are those who support lethal injection BECAUSE it's a horrible, expensive, convoluted shitshow and they believe by making it the only game in town they can get capital punishment abolished entirely. Truly ass-backwards and cruel logic, but it might just work.
>>65569168As I pointed out we could just increase the standards so that wammins, non-whites, fatties, fags, and pansies can't cut the mustard at all. And then actually pay the men who can pass muster a small fortune with bennies for producing tons of kids who might do the same. It would ultimately be cheaper because you could attract and retain real talent. Also get rid of "up or out" shit. I want the entire army run by an E-4 mafia even more than it is.
>>65569546>And then there are those who support lethal injection BECAUSE it's a horrible, expensive, convoluted shitshow and they believe by making it the only game in town they can get capital punishment abolished entirely.Its a shitshow because it IS shit. Nobody wants to be an executioner, especially people actually qualified to put an IV in. Nobody wants to supply the chemicals either. The electric chair was introduced because executioners kept fucking up long drops, the choice was either abolish the death penalty or come up with an alternative. Then it turned out that was also shit, so we cooked up lethal injection.
>>65569559>Its a shitshow because it IS shit. Nobody wants to be an executioner,AI
>>65569598cope sweetums
>>65569549>run by an E-4 mafiaShut the fuck up. Those faggots don't run shit, except their mouths.
>>65569559>Nobody wants to be an executioner"Wants" got nothing to do with it. Dipshit.
>>65567819As burdensome as this is, this isn't a lynch mob or a personal killing. Even if the soldiers in the firing squad have personal incentive to be there, the State as a conscious entity is the one doing the killing here. The State generally does not want to assign blame to anyone for carrying out its orders, insert Nuremberg joke here. So the amount of steps to make it impossible to determine who fired the shots is done both to assuage the guilt of anyone who has been ordered to do this, and provide a shield against any mob or attack from the public against any individual as part of the firing squad. Or in other words, the President as head of the military should be doing this since he represents the state and is head of the armed forces. But since he isn't, the policy is to do what you can to alleviate the moral burden placed on who IS selected to do so, alongside steps taken to protect them from reprisals of any form. I don't care if it takes almost 20 years or 200 years, the State needs to make sure everything is done as properly as possible if they are going to carry out the death penalty. Otherwise, it introduces an infinite world of doubt and bias including abuse of power. It is done like this to make sure there is almost no way to object with legitimate claims by the time it is all done because you cant resurrect a dead man.
>>65569546I believe there was talk of doing it like animal euthanasia or just a shitload of heroin or whatever and the pushback there was "no you cant just give them a painless way to die, that's what we do to animals and humans are better than that." IIRC gas chambers are painless as well but the long viewing time of someone asphyxiating alongside Uncle Adolf's Zyklon B Emporium has made that unpopular. Frankly a proper hanging British style is the most humane/clean way to go at least inasmuch as we can ever know, neck snapping preventing us from really knowing if the head & brain are in pain and whatnot. It's quick both for the condemned and the audience and I think that is a good argument.
>>65569647Ok, but what about a steamroller?
>>65569512>>65569521>>65569525IIRC, it was some kind of automated system to pop in an IV needle into Pike's vein set up by a 'trained' Tennessee Dept Corrections employee. The needle obviously hit her muscle or her vein popped which put the phenobarb straight into her intramuscularly sparing her life (though fucking up her arm).She definitely has grounds to sue the state.
>>65569647Heroin and other other opioids aren't actually that great for painlessly killing people via overdose believe it or not (Fent or another super synth opioid might be though).
>>6556677530 sec blast from a CIWS would do it
>>65566963This is to confuse the ghost.
>>65567097That's too nice. They should cut him up with plastic knives that you get with takeout food
>>65565701Does he get a blindfold like the old days, bros?
>>65569113>The chance of a random poster on /k/ being obese, scared of firearms, and never having killed anything when hunting and livestock raising are so common if really fucking low.>implying
>>65569097I wouldn't volunteer for it unless there was a monetary incentive to volunteer like a bonus. I wouldn't enjoy it but I could do it if the army was putting up some money. It would more than likely affect me.
>>65567661nigger wut.I like tall older women.
>>65569618That's why I said "more than it is". I want them to have actual power, not merely the power to be a pain in the ass and drag their feet if they don't like you.
>>65569113>Also I want o murder all jews, but not the reasons you might thinkAny reason is satisfactory
>>65569707
>>65567986>pretending christians have consistent morals
>>65565740shit be different in tha hood nigga
>>65567598Why not just pick 12 rabid infantrymen who get hard at the thought of getting to shoot somebody and skip the shell game bs?
>not using 10ga shotgunsNGMI>>65568759a giant goddamn pussy. >>65568762go cry about fireworks giving you ptsd fobbit. mudslimes arent humans.>>65568780youre a bigger faggot than my uncle who wears dresses who cut off his dick and got banned from the australian embassy for screaming about the end of the world and Hyacinth Bucket is the whore of babylon. >>65569108AI CHATBOT WROTE THISWW2 vets happily raped and tortured germans under orders. and torured confessions out of everyone. none of them lost sleep, it got their dicks hard. murder is a human right. >>65569168its why you see those frauds with their disabled vet tags everywhere. all of them are welfare queens. >>65569618they did pre GWOT and it was glorious. for a plate of hot dinner theyd tell you where their units buried ammo and gear off post from accounting.
>>65569614Your job is finished
