How could the Polacks have beat-back/fully repelled the invasion by the Soviets and Nazis into Poland? Could France or England actually have helped them?
Is this gonna turn out to be some sort of bait thread
>>65568010>vague historical question>no related to any weapons>topic concerns Eastern EuropeIt's pretty clearly some sort of bait thread.I just can't figure out who's supposed to get baited.
>>65568007>France zergrushes straight to BerlinWould it have worked?
>>65568074Ironically yes. If France actually going offensive instead of turtling and trusting their proud Maginot line and Belgium, they could have easily crushed the military build up Hitler spent building inside the Rhine.
>>65568007I doubt they could have prevented Poland getting captured, even if germany got murked halfway through that being said, if the Britbongs and France attacked immediately Germany would have been flattened>France had a direct route to germany>France had no fucking idea how to use their tanks and having radio or a dedicated loader was considered gay or something >decent airforce>brits figured out how the whole amphibious transportation and assault works, decent air force britbong tanks were kind of poo at the start (arguably only marginally better later on not counting borrowed US designs)on the ground France and Brits had the advantage, what people forget is how much the German airforce helped with the invasion, that is the advantage over alies
>>65568093Would've been the end of the rhine huh
>>65568161Dammit, Karlos!
>>65568137>I doubt they could have prevented Poland getting capturedIt might've. France and the UK moving in on the Ruhr and cities along the Rhine could've forced Hitler to halt in Poland in order to move forces back into Germany proper.
>>65568007Modern poland with all its fancy gear would bend over to todays germany.Its just the nature of things/Thread
>>65568228Where would that leave a Soviet invasion on the other side?
>>65568243If the war suddenly started turning against Germany it's not unreasonable to assume Stalin would wait to see how things play out.
>>65568010see>>65568236
>>65568007>beat-back/fully repellnot doable, IMHO. Even if you grant them with advanced tactics to minimize loss of manpower, it's not feasible to hold off two fronts against bigger armies forever.You'd need Polan to halt Germans long enough for Allies to mobilize and wipe out Germany, hopefully in time to beat back advancing Soviets with unified forces. But the politics in '39 were nowhere near to that happening, it would only work if the Allies were the ones preparing for total war. And the best you get out of this is Poland not totally disappearing during the war, but they'd still be suffering from being the battlefield.What I think could've been a real, and feasible, gamechanger is going back to the '20s and playing on the Poles' war paranoia. You have a country that just regained independence, and the population has many veterans of wars and uprisings. Arm everyone and organize civilian trainings, basically the 'rifle behind every blade of grass' idea, supported by national propaganda. Poland had issues equipping their own military, but that's partly because of what constitued as 'military grade' equipment at the time. If civilians created massive market demand, I'm pretty sure something akin to VG-2 and knee pads could've saturated the market by the '30s. I'm not saying that armed civilians make a country unconquerable, but I guess this would put a wrench in any strategist's plans. Germany would either not invade at all, or push more strongly for a Polish-German alliance against the commie revolution (which was actually close to happening, had Pilsudsky lived a few years longer or left behind a stronger successor)
>>65568007If the Polacks had never killed interwar ethnic Germans and if they had paid those ethnic Germans to leave, a lot could have been avoided for them.Poland was asking for it and many Polish are simply different-speaking Germans.
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it's simple. simply kill them
