Y'all ready for sub $3k dragunovs whenever the GAYTF lifts the firearms import bans on eastern block countries?
yeah
And we will all figure out what youtubers already didIt’s an extremely mediocre rifle that was held back by retarded design requirements that induce barrel whipWhich means the knockoffs that don’t copy the SVD TDP verbatim are superior
>>65570902yeah>>65570926yeah, I still want one though.
>>65570926>Needing a jewtuber to tell you the SVD isn't that goodI remember back when people got their opinions by doing shit. I also remember shooting a PSL that sucked massive donkey dick>But the PSL isn't a real dragunovUnless a real SVD is just a flat out different gun I can't imagine it being much better
>>65570926It's cool and I like it. If I wanted practicality and accessibility, I'd go buy an AR-10; But I don't. I want my outdated rifle in a near dead caliber because it's fucking cool and I like it.
>>65570926It always amazes me how the SVD triggers the unobtainium syndrome : people secretly want one but know they'll probably never have the opportunity or the money to get one so they shit on it to cope out their frustration. Usually parroting claims that they themselves have no way to verify like accuracy issues.Picrel, it's a great rifle especially considering it came out in the 60s. Surprisingly lightweight, extremely reliable and accurate enough to do what it was designed to do (about 1,5-2MOA). Does it compare to modern day DMRs ? Absolutely not. The main downsides are the lack of compatible accessories such as suppressors, bipods or modern scopes. But shooting it is still great and it will always turn heads including yours.
>lifting import bansnever happening
>>65570949the SVD is a flat out different gun, the psl is an embiggened AK.
Say again, fuck knuckle?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KKBY5AfCCqk
>>65570973>>65570985Forgot to (you). Anyways, the link is for (you).
>>65570984Regardless I'm salivating at the thought of cheap maks again and the AK market becoming less retarded
>>65570992You and me both
>>65570926Price matters a lot. If the prices plummet enough it could still make a fun toy in spite of its glaring issues.
I just want cheap 5.45 back so the market will bring back actual 74's instead of this 5.56 gayness
>>65570960>about 1,5-2MOAit was designed to do 3.5 MOA, exactly the same as the sniper mosin it had replaced. it ended up being a bit better than than especially when soviet machining and ammo quality improved but that's about it.
>>65571419Picrel is the QA acceptance certificate of one of mine. The accuracy standard for SVDs from Izhmash and (now Kalashnikov Concern) is a 4 shot group of no more than 6cm at 100cm, which is roughly 2 MOA. This is using standard LPS ammo. The 7N1 and 7N14 cartridges designed specifically for the SVD deliver consistent 1,5MOA performance. Unfortunately these cartridges are now impossible to acquire outside of Russia but I've managed to replicate this accuracy using PPU Match ammunition.
>>65571473>This is using standard LPS ammo. The 7N1 and 7N14 cartridges designed specifically for the SVD deliver consistent 1,5MOA performancesounds like complete and utter bullshit
>>65570902Cheap AK's, SKS's, mosin's, dragonuvs, 5.45, 7.62x39 and 54r again??? Never cheap dragonuvs but the rest i mean
>>65570992It would be nice to see Arsenals going down in price
>>65571599Sounds like you can't read. The table you posted shows an R100 of 5,8cm for LPS which is within the 6cm margin I mentioned. Performance for 7N1 is between 2,5cm (R50) and 6cm (R100) which is between 1,3 to 1,8 MOA. So yeah, not really consistent but well within margin of shooter error and excellent for a rifle that's made for hitting chest-sized targets up to 800m.
>>65571643>R100 of 5,8cm for LPS which is within the 6cm margin I mentioned.what do you suppose "R" stands for, genius?
>>65570902feelsgoodman to live in perfectly centered country where you have easy access to both western and eastern stuff. about the svd the other anon basically said everything right, mine shoots consistently 1.5moa, sometimes groups even reach 1moa using factory sellier and bellot precision 174gr ammo
I'm not much into slavshit besides the 103/104, but an SVD-M is absolutely on my dream list.
>>65571646RECTAL RAVAGING
>>65570902And MAC will buy all of them to scalp them for $10k a pop once again.
>>65571676Thank god I wasn't the only one thinking about that after the FEG fiasco, I want to get a SVD as of lately just for the range if only those damn psl "svd's" weren't almost 3k even if they are shit
I'd pay $500 for one, maybe. Definitely wouldn't pay more than what a good SKS goes for. It's like the Volkswagen beetle to me, ugly, overpriced, and outdated but I see why some of you fags would drop several thousand on one.
>>65570959Real zesty nigger has zestava m76
Even if they are lifted, is there anything left to import? Do their laws still prevent them from selling guns to us? To me this feels like too little too late
Already reload 7.62x54R so have always considered a SVD or clone cause I do not want to stock more cartridges. So yeah I am excited. Would be dope if PSA made one
>>65570926nigger who gives a fuck. im shooting at piles of trash in the desert
>>65571643>>65571473>>65570960Hilarious series of posts. Yummy yummy Soviet slop
>>65570960>>65571473You're really insecure about owning that rifle, huh?
>>65571665Are you in the Czech Republic?
>>65572850>its insecurity to post primary sources in response to neofuddlore and noguns conjectureok
>>65570926>retarded design requirements that induce barrel whipwhat, the weight? the marksman moved with the infantry squad, he had to carry that shit up mountains. theres a lot that can be critiqued of soviet arms designs, but their emphasis on lighter weight (also seen in the PK) is not one of them.
>>65575132Why do you feel the need to post that to a bunch of shitheads you know are just fucking with you? Because you're insecure and need other people to validate your own possessions. Fucking loser.
>>65570902... Didn't that already happen?I guess they'll be processing import requests now.
>>65570960>people secretly want oneYou over-estimate how many people actually give a shit about specific historical firearms. I really couldn't care less. I don't care about old Colt revolvers, and I don't care about WW1 guns, and I especially don't care about soviet shit. And among the tiny proportion of people who do care about historical firearms, the large majority of them don't particularly care about your SVD either. They are highly scarce, and scarcity always drives price, but without that exceptional scarcity, it would not be a valuable firearm. Simple as.
I'd gladly smelt all the dragunovs in the world for reliable production of reasonably priced 5.45.
>>65570902Semi related: I will never not be mad the US (I assume) destroyed these fucking things when they got them instead of allowing them in as bringbacks. Even if the AKs weren't allowed because full auto, whatever. If they JUST allowed Al Kadesiahs to be brought back or shipped back and sold off (CMP?), we'd live in a world where the gun range would look like a fucking COD 4 server. People would be asking how to un-gold-plate their poorfag SVDs. Others would grab a can of black Rustoleum. Fuck it, I'd hunt with one.
I guess it’d make the most sense to buy myself a dragonov huh? How much do you guys think the prices will be? Also, what’s the best place to buy when they hit the states?
>>65571403Imagine copying gay and still thinking you’re not gay while doing gay things. Very Russian.
>>65571665Which country?I'm American, but technically have DE dual citizenship through descent. I've been gathering paperwork to have it recognized and want to eventually spend time in a few of the EU countries, would be nice to know which ones are most firearms friendly should I decide to set up shop somewhere for a longer period of time.
>>65570949>>But the PSL isn't a real dragunov>Unless a real SVD is just a flat out different gun I can't imagine it being much betterThese are the people providing strong opinions and giving you advice.
>>65570902>sub $3k dragunovsI regret to inform you these days are long over even in countries where zero restrictions on their sale exist.30+ years of collectors doing collector things followed by the war in Ukraine made sure of that.t. Europoor SVD haver.>>65570949>Unless a real SVD is just a flat out different gun I can't imagine it being much betterAnon I...
>>65575018>>65580079Poland actually. Imo, and i did a lot of autistic research on this, the best countries in EU for guns are Czech Republic and Poland. Germany sucks, there is mostly mag capacity limits that could be ommitted if you did jump through a lot of hoops, dont remember the details, the suppressors are only for hunters, and afaik its illegal to dress in camo or anything military related for that matter on shooting range, the targets cant resemble animals or humans at all. i think theres more like obtaining the license takes years. extremely gay. in Poland the biggest downside is no 50 cal handguns but thats it. Czechs are extremely based because i think they are the only ones who have constitutional rights to arms and dont need to give excuses like being a hunter, in sports associacion on larp as a collector. but i can give you the details on how easy it is to get a permit in Poland as gun person, not a normie which was my route that was optimised for how quick it was. the easiest license is collectors license, i think also the cheapest and also it gives you access to every firearm type listed by law so its better that hunters or sports license where hunters cant have handguns and sportsmen cant have 50 cal. so to get a collectors license you just apply day one to collectors associacion, pay 2usd yearly and thats it. day two you go through a series of medical examinations and day three you submit papers for collectors firearm license on the police. then you wait month or two for your exam, pass it, and you good to go. the exam consists of theory - 200 questions which you know as well as the answers before hand. some are obvious and any nonretard would know like 'are you allowed to have a loaded firearm in the city center while high on fentanyl' and some are just stuff you have to remember like 'whats the timeframe to register newly purchased gun'. te practical exam is just getting good enough score on shooting range, safety, and gun dissassembly
>>65578551if these were real russian svds they faced the same problem as AKs - they have the auto sear which i believe is a problem in the US. i have a civilian russian svd - the tigr and while not being factory fullauto, it surely can be within 5minutes and little scrap metal
>>65585745They're iraqi funky dragonovs. Way closer than things in the big AK mold like the PSL. Definitely the most divergent actual dragonov clone
>>65571983This is the way.
>>65575755NTA, but Tigrs still sell for asking price in the EU, and there was never a particular scarcity of them here compared to the states. Idk if you consider 3k to valuable, but they're clearly sought after.
>>65585745That's what I assume but at the same time, the US Dragunovs/Tigrs/etc have to have the safety sear too, wouldn't they? I know we get special retarded AKs without them but I doubt the SVDs would be without them. I could be wrong; not like there's enough of them over here I've ever seen one.
