It's OVER[spoiler]seriously though, why would anyone buy a home defense/tacticool shotgun? Hunting and clays shotguns are good, but the only reason you should ever buy a shotgun over like an AR is if you're jurisdiction makes it hard or impossible to get a carbine, you literally can't afford anything else (get a hi-point carbine) or if you hunt/have access to a clay range and you got one of those mossbergs that comes with both a 28 and 18.5 inch barrel [/spoiler]
Maverick 88 shits over PSACAN'T BEAT THE KING BABY!!!
>>65573687Every psa gun thats not an ar is a pile of shit that takes multiple generations to get to acceptable levels.
>>65573687I've literally never heard of this gun
I too sometimes forget that spoiler tags are not universal
>>65573700it just came out recently
>>65573687This guy is really gay and annoying
>>65573760This, like when is he going to move in with his boyfriend hop?
>>65573760I second this. What does anyone care how he feels about a gun? What are his qualifications other than being a professional cocksuker?
Paul Harrel (PBUH) shows us that a shotgun with bird shot is the ideal home defense tool because it will down an intruder no problem without killing your spouse/kids/rape dwarf/neighbor/dog/ in the next room.
>>65573687I just don't understand why it's so expensive for something that's worse than a Mav. You're paying double the price for turkshit but American made. The portmanteau of 500/590 and 870 is legitimately insulting to both sides of the shotgun debate
There is no substitute for what 5 rounds of buckshot will do to a human being in close quarters. Yes an AR is fine. It does things a shotgun can’t. Capacity provides an excellent option for volume. Statistically it doesn’t really matter. Most self defense uses of firearms are 3 rounds or less. Both guns are quite capable. One fucks harder and the other fucks longer. Simple as.
>>65573798birdshot doesn't meat the FBI minimum pen requirements. the FBI also determined that 5.56 is safer than buckshot for overpen.
>>65573852FBI's "requirements" are a meme, as is ballistic gelatin, as is the fear of overpenetration (not a single innocent bystander has ever been killed by overpen in a civilian self-defense shooting)
>>65573687>goblin shows up 2 minutes into the videoFuck this faggot
I don’t even particularly like shotguns but I have 2 of these fucking things.
>>65573687NFA gone means Hello to pic related. On an ultralight shortie that will never see a 40, I defy you to provide a better use case for the weight and space.
>>65574730BreachingLess lethalBird/bear bangerBirdshotFPVs#4 buck
>>65573687It's easier to hunt with a tacticool shottie than vice versa, but both are possible.Turkey guns have been running pistol stocks and red dots for years.
>>65573760he's a hapa mutt right
>mossie 500Done.
>>65573760Yeah yeah everyone suddenly decided he was stupid and annoying right around the time he recommended against some big industry stuff and by proxy threatened the paychecks of a bunch of "SME" faggots on trtNo they won't release their own videos to set the record straight, they'll just whine about him in Discord and on 4chan because they're all cocksuckers
>>65574720>that paint job
>>65573699Even the ars are piles of shit that have been through multiple generations and still suck
>>6557368712 gauge means the other guy isn't shooting you anymore, no matter what.That makes sleeping easier. Few questions, one answer.
>>65574798Yeah you are mentally ill
>>65574798you got it dude, it's one big conspiracy theory by the NRA and the gun industry and not just people being annoyed by some faggot manchild quirk chungus
>>65574798I thought he was stupid a few years ago, when he made a video about what to do with society collapses.>Hide in your apartment for a couple months, eating/drinking from a stockpile and shitting out the window>Then start climbing water towers at night and scope out your neighbourhood for gang dens to raidYes, he said this.Also he made a video on how he'd operate in Ukraine.>The enemy mostly consists of poor marksmen with no rifle optics>So I'll be taking an 11.5'' and my strat would be close range ambushes, where the enemy's marksmanship disadvantage is negligible.
>>65573687He stole that video title format from Skill Up.
>>65574720I have 2 ARs but only one shotgun. I really don't plan on getting a second unless I really get into like clays or hunting and need a specialized shotgun for it >>65574736>less lethal>>65574751that's because Turk removers are pseudo rifles because people want to remove turks with like .17 hmr or some similar varmint round, but too many retards were shooting each other so states mandated shotgun only which leads to guys setting up their shotguns with red dots and super tight chokes and often like geese loads so they can get more range
>>65573687I got a nice 870P SBS, added a new SF formed and Wilson ghost rings for what that cost.
>>65573699Nigger, they've been making AKs for 15 years and they're still not at an acceptable level
>>65574751people have been doing self defense with hunting shotguns for hundreds of years. I don't think hunting with a chokeless shotgun is easierbesides, you can quick change barrels on a mossberg/mav
>>65574823A penis that smells like a fart or a fart that smells like penis?
>>65573692Remember it uses Mexico parts
>>65574730Even better, an ultralight pocket shotgun you can have in a pouch on you and not bolted onto your gun. UBGLs are on the way out, we know they're worse than a stand along on a sling or in your pack. Very rarely are the IRL infantry encounters where someone needs to make a sub 10 second decision to launch a grenade instead of shooting their rifle.
>>65573852#1 buckshot meets FBI requirements and doesn't overpenetrate.
>>65576316GLs are useful in urban combat. It's frequently possible to hit a wall near someone's cover and get them that way. Not to mention shooting 40mm into windows to fuck up anyone inside a room.
>>65576279so is half the shit in any american made car
>>65576318>doesn't overpenetrateThis fellow gets it
>>65573687Because it's FUN, Janet
>>65576279And they work fine. No way comparable at all to the Turkish milled shit or Shitjeet MIM used by SIG.
>>65576318>>65576374#1 buck absolutely goes through drywall
>>65574895My favourite was when he said that he pretty much never carried for short errands until recently when he got a snubby revolver that he can't shoot well. (Hasn't he been in the gun industry for like a decade?)
>>65576340Yes, in a stand alone format. Under your gun its just a bunch of extra weight and it will get banged up and filthy way more.
>>65573798Something like the Neostead 2000 is really the perfect defense shotgun design, but people like to make things hard.
Can we expect Mossberg and Remington to step up and make some tacticool SBS builds in a near future? I'm looking to get a 14" setup to keep next to my bed and so far my options seem like converting either a Mossberg 500 or 590 to 14" with one of those 514 conversion kits or tracking down some LEO trade in 14" 870.
>>65574866> t
>>65577290Just kill me
>>65576515It’s funny that he lives in a crack den apartment and the mid “scientist” axe wound being accosted by a homeless junkie finally got him to think carrying was a good idea.He’s a giga simp.
>>65573772I don't remember it being birdshot. I remember #4 Buck.
>>65577773I'm too lazy to go look up the video but either way this shows shotgun supremacy
>>65577773he said you what gun you want and what you are comfortable with. if thats birdshot use it.his choice of pumpshotgun wasnt the optimal one but he didnt care.
>its overWait a minute. Are you telling me a firearm I am not going to buy is also manufactered by a company I wouldnt buy a defensive firearm from? Noooooooooooooo!>the only reason you should ever buy a shotgun over like an AR is if you're jurisdiction makes it hard or impossible to get a carbine,I see, youre stupid. Nothing beats a good semi 12 for destructive power and pure blasting goodness. You go now.
>>65578515>>65577811you're a no gunz and a gay retard
>>65573842>There is no substitute for what 5 rounds of buckshot will do to a human being in close quartersIn the time it takes you to fire 5 shots from a pump shotgun you can fire 30 rounds from an AR.
>>65578529Projection, for whatever reason this anon (probably a jeet) thinks a shotgun is unattainable
>>65579215I own 2 ARs and a mossberg, you third world retard. the ARs are easier to shoot and are more effective
>>65579223I'm sure you do Gagdeep
>>65579229you're probably yuropean, a type of jeet, and not American
>>65579271I'm not the one on the 4channel weapons discussion board acting like a shotgun is some unattainable holy grail. I just walk into a store, hand them some cash, and they give it to me. I understand in streetshitterstan you have to go beg the loca brahmin for permission to buy one for a couple years but that's not how we do things here
>>65576955remington is fucking dead
>>65577766That's hilarious but not surprising
>>65579332I never said it was unattainable you fucking illiterate third world ESL retard. I said the only reason you should get one for home defense is if you can't get an AR. Learn to read you ESL indian yurotroon.yuropoors need to be banned for being ESL
>>65579377How's the weather in the slums of mumbai today saar?
>>65579388I wouldn't know. unlike you, I'm White and American
>>65579438Be careful playing with the trains today I heard the local casualty rates are on the up again
>>65579470I wouldn't know. trains are for homosexual. I drive because I'm American.
>>65578515>Nothing beats a good semi 12An ar does, easily.>no recoil >30 rounds >fast reloads>light/short12 gauge has literally zero advantages.
>>65579757>zero advantagesSince you’re on about “home defense”, you need to slow your roll, kid. Sending high velocity jacked rifle bullets around your house or apartment is quite likely to get your family and neighbors shot. Buckshot has a major advantage in not penetrating structures and killing Ned and Geraldine next door.
>>65580171>YEP SONNY BUCKSHOT GETS STOPPED BY JUST BOUT ANYTHING UNLIKE THOSE SCARY BLACK RIFLES, WE NEED TO BAN THOSE NOW!kys grabber
>>65579757>>65580186NTA but a maverick 88 or police trade in 870 is way fucking nicer than an AR at the same price point, a cheap pump action is a much better choice for poorfags>muh PSA muh warranty still 2-300 shekels more than a mav88, plus you need to get mags and a set of sights
>>65580186>>65580171why did he call u a grabber
>>65580171>fudd bullshit that was debunked 15 years agoPretending we don't know? Or are you underage and assuming everyone else is?
Home DEFENSE shotgun? No thanks.I have a home OFFENSE shotgun. Fuck anyone and everything inside the room when i fire this bad boy.
>>65579757exactlywell the shotgun is better for shooting birds >>65580171retardthe FBI fucking studied this and concluded that 5.56 is a lower overpen risk than 00 and 9mm>>65580186kek>>65580286which is why I said it's only OK if you're poor as shit
>>65579757do people just not read posts anymore? he was talking specifically about jurisdictions where carbines are gimped or unavailable
>>65576279Are you kidding me i'd do anything some Mexican ass cheeks latina parts
>>65576955Just put a stock on a Shockwave
>>6557975712ga has guaranteed one and done stops in a home defense scenario. Doesn't really matter where 00buck hits, that target is either dead instantly or dead in a minute. One boom, one less voice in the world.
>>65583443Kyle killed a grandma beater with one round of 5.56
>>65574765Seriously. You can find used examples that have been fired maybe 10 times in total for $250 in every LGS and pawn shop across the country.
>>65574798What are you even talking about man?
>>65576468I live in an old house so my walls are plaster over 1x10s, not my problem
>>65583688#1 buck bbs are 40ish grains. they'll have similar over pen results through 1x10s or drywall or whatever to 5.56
>>65580652Because to imply anything could do anything better than an AR in any scenario makes you a grabber. He'd probably call anyone that hunts with anything that isn't an AR (even if it's a modern detachable box fed autoloading rifle) a grabber too
>>65583797>t.retard
>>65573760He is a hapa fucking mutt freak after all
>>65577773#4 buck is what I've got loaded. There is #4 buck and #4 birdshot, which can confuse some.>>65578515>Nothing beats a good semi 12I've got a pump, should I invest in a semi-auto? I don't use an AR because am in cuck state and read some advice that when you go on trial for shooting Daquarius, MD, Esq. that it looks a lot better in court to nogunz that you used a hunting shotgun over a murder contraption.However, I have real doubts about my (or just about anybody's) pump competency under great stress.I would go 32 or 380 carbine if I had my druthers. Although extremely rare, the need to take a shot at distance with friendlies in the area is not an impossibility.
>>65576468I meant doesn't overpenetrate through people.
>>65583888Also, there's pretty much nothing except maybe those meme plastic rounds that will simultaneously:>reliably penetrate 12-18" inches through 5 layers of denim and ballistics gel, meaning will reliably hit internal organs/CNS>NOT penetrate walls like a motherfuckerHome defense basically comes down to choose something that will reliably disable your target and don't miss. You can control not overpenetrating through people, which you absolutely should, but if you want something that's going to reliably disable a 300 pound motherfucker on meth, you need something that's gonna shoot through walls.
>>65577766he is the embodiment of the west coast neo fuddASARCO still pumping lead into the air out there I guess
>>65573768They broke up dumb dumb. He's with that glowie tranny now
>>65576279>not realizing shit "made in the US" is still being made by Mexicans anyway
The lesson of this thread: race mixing is bad.
>>65583820>read some advice that when you go on trial for shooting Daquarius, MD, Esq. that it looks a lot better in court to nogunz that you used a hunting shotgun over a murder contraption.That's mostly fuddlore. Like yeah a lawyer will try to use whatever they can against you but the gun used doesn't really have anything to do with whether it's a good shoot anywhere in the USA. If you used something illegal then you'll cop separate charges for that even if the shooting itself is dropped as legit self defense, if you wrote a manifesto on your gun about how you want to entice and entrap burglars so you can shoot them then you might have some issues but avoid doing that and you should be fine. As for an auto, unless you want one for fun I wouldn't worry too much about it. Pump action can be used to hide in the dark and aim at a door just fine, go and shoot some clays until you can really work that bitch if you're that worried about shortstroking.
>>65583797ARs are more effective than shotgunseasier to shoot too>>65583820an AR beats a semi 12 gauge >>65583888#1 buck is like the 40 grains per bb. it's going to do the same shit as 5.56 when it comes to overpen>>65583959>>65583820the whole muh scary black rifle thing is based on one mock trial from like 30 years ago with like 24 roasties. that's why they always cite a mock trial and not a real trial
>>65584075I mean if you're a massive pussy, sure
>>65584079you've never shot a gun in your life and you have no dick, you're probably yuropean or some other type of homosexual
>>65584116Not him, but you're just an insufferable /arg/ faggot
>>65584120Yeah but he's also not wrong
>>65584075>#1 buck is like the 40 grains per bb. it's going to do the same shit as 5.56 when it comes to overpenNo, really, look up ballistic gel penetration testing of #1 buck.It reliably penetrates 12-18 inches. Doesn't overpenetrate.
>>65584116You sound upset, just like how a massive pussy would be
>>65577820>his choice of pumpshotgun wasnt the optimal one but he didnt care.And to be fair, he killed a home invader with his shotgun.
>>65584120you're a homosexual, either trans or yuropean>>65584192it absolutely over pens to the same level as 5.56>>65584275you sound gay and retarded, like a yuropoor
>>65584468Anon, you need to stop being wrong on the internet.
>>65574798People just think he and hop are faggots because they constantly nitpick good equipment with zero qualifications. If you're a larper, then there's no such thing as gear that's "not good enough" because you are probably using your shit even less than the average airsofter. All i need to know about larp gear is if the stitching is good. That's it.
>>65584468https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNb2uvezzx0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzhXfv-P7sMAgain, stop being wrong on the internet.#1 buck does not overpenetrate. It consistently meets the FBI penetration standard.
>>65584468If you walk into 100 different rooms and they all smell like shit, it is you who smells like shit.
>>65584482>>65584508Paul shot a bunch of walls and it went though all the walls. the FBI was fine with switching to 5.56 and even increased the penetration on 5.56>>65584518nah, you and all of the other yuropoors are gay and retarded
>>65584535OK, but that doesn't negate >>65583888That's walls, not people.
>>65584542fucking 5.56 isn't going to go into a person, through said person, through a wall and then into a second person
>>65584544...I didn't say it would.Are you on drugs?
>>65584546you're acting like #1 buck or really any type of buckshot is a lower overpen risk than 5.56 when it isn't, retard
>>65584563I never once made that claim.The ONLY claim I have made in this thread is that #1 buck, going by the FBI ballistic gel penetration standard, does not overpenetrate people.I have made zero claims regarding 5.56.
THe only guns you should have are an AR15 and a glock
>>65584740total hipster death
>>65584740I only own an AR because in 2016 it really did look like Hilary was going to win. Now I only keep it because I have an incredibly strict "no selling guns" policy
>>65584740Naw bro.AR-15 isn't ideal for moving through doors in a home defense situation because it's already long as fuck if it has long enough of a barrel for the ammo to reliably fragment upon impact. Next, add in it being loud as FUCK indoors and you're looking at even more length for a suppressor.There are arguments to be made for a suitably short PCC being superior to a Glock for a home defense situation, those arguments being contact points and being able to store extra mags on the gun.You're not gonna use an AR-15 or a Glock for duck hunting or big game hunting.The only things AR-15 is ideal for are medium game hunting and medium-range outdoor defense encounters. The latter is incredibly rare outside of SHTF scenarios.
>>65584740>>65584914Also, there are absolutely smaller, lighter concealed carry options than a Glock which are equally capable at handling the vast, vast majority of self defense scenarios.
>>65584740>AR15larping faggot>Glockthe only gun you'll ever have a chance of firing in anger
>>65584075>24 roastiesWho do you think is on juries, anon? I knew the risk was blown out of proportion, but some youtuber (TFB or WGL, maybe) did a video where they found the type of bullet used led to a conviction. Plus:>juries are getting dumber>DAs and prosecutors are getting bolder>relying on past juries, where the percentage of gun owners or those familiar with guns was greater, compared to today, is a mistake>an AR beats a semi 12 gaugesee picrel, then go back to my first post
>>65584928>>AR15>larping faggotmaybe like 15 years ago, AR is the economy option now
>his home defense setup isn't suppressed Shiggidy diggidy
>>65585221>home defense setup isn't suppressedI live alone and have peltor's, so I'll be able to hear the fecaldermis invaders before they hear me, and when I start shooting them repeatedly with my AR, they'll be the ones that lose their hearing, not me.
>>65585230Poorfag cope
>>65583443Holy fudd, I bet you think just racking the shotgun is enough to scare off an intruder, lmao
>>65585247Gear queer cope.
>>65585251Holy junior high school, you sound like you're 12.
>>65585254They're not even an NFA item anymore. You're out of excuses.
>>65585258Very nice ad hom fudd-kun, it doesn't make your retarded opinion any less wrong
>>65585267>t. gear queer
>>65585271Do your homework and clean your room. Brat.
>>65583443You have zero evidence to support that fuddlore.
>>65573687I would not feel even slightly disadvantaged defending my home with a semi-auto shotgun. Shotguns have better stats for one-shot stops than rifles. The magazine size is unlikely to be relevant and being kind of heavy doesn't matter. A pump shotgun, you got me there. It still works but why? Maybe they inherited it or got it for cheap or have it for some other primary use for it, or they just think it's cool and it's their equivalent of a home defense katana except actually somewhat practical.
>>65585353Yeah, except for all the testing done by guys like Greg Ellifritz who all say 00 buck is a one tap in 90%+ of all hits
>>65584571yeah you did. you keep trying to claim it's less of an overpen risk than 5.56. #1 buck overpens the same shit 5.56 overpens and doesn't the same shit 5.56 doesn't. >>65584790Do you not shoot your guns?>>65584914ARs are shorter and easier to use in doors than shotguns>>65585194you are retarded. if it was an issue you'd be able to point to an actual case, which you can't do. odds are the type of gun used wouldn't even come up, because why would it?
>>65585397semi auto rifles are more ergonomic and easier to shoot
>>65585434https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/bird-shot-for-self-defenseNot according to Ellifrtiz's article.
>>65576279What bothers you more, Mexican parts on a $200 shotgun or Indian parts being half on a $700 handgun?
>>65585722I did not. These are my posts:>>65576318>>65583888>>65583894>>65584192>>65584482>>65584508>>65584542>>65584546>>65584571Show me where I made a single claim regarding 5.56.
>>65585722>ARs are shorter and easier to use in doors than shotgunsAn average AR-15 with a 14.5 inch barrel, which is about the minimum length necessary for the ammo to reliably fragment, is about 33".A Mossberg 990 SPX Magpul is also about 33".At this point the debate becomes about do you want more ammo capacity or do you want each shot to be considerably more devastating. There's a legitimate argument for each. More ammo capacity is definitely nice if your home is invaded by multiple people. However, most self defense encounters end in 1-3 shots so packing absolutely fucking devastating buckshot loads is also quite nice.
>>65585927What the fuck are you on about with these barrel lengths? A 10.5 barrel will still have enough velocity for permanent cavitation at 75 yards with 55 grain.
>>65576279They still have to go back but Mexicans>>>>>>>>>>chinks and other asians>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>jeets=blacks. Mexicans at least have some values and can appreciate nice machines, which gives them more of an interest in modifying and maintaining them. Every mexican is a car guy for instance.
>>65585927>considerably more devastatingCitation needed. There's no credible data that proves that 12 gauge buckshot is more or less effective than 5.56. None. Zero. But we do know that 5.56 has almost no recoil, and 30 round magazines.
>>65585948>cavitationDid I use the word cavitation once, anon?>>65585956Buckshot gives you way more chances to hit the CNS with each shot.
>>65583820>I've got a pump, should I invest in a semi-auto?Depends. I've never owned a semi, but IIRC mag-fed shotguns can have issues where plastic shells deform over time and cause feeding issues. Then there's the issue on making sure the shells you have loaded will reliably cycle. Personally I would go with a tube fed semi over a magazine fed model, but my Winchester 1300 speedpump lives in my bedroom and is just fine for me.
>>65585967Permanent cavitation destroys flesh. This includes organs. Up close, 5.56 causes wounds bigger than 12 gauge does. Look at Kyle gross squirts. That's a big hole. Anyone that hunts knows this.
>>65585978>Permanent cavitation destroys flesh.Cool story, bro.But I mentioned fragmentation for a reason, because a round that doesn't fragment is a round that grossly overpenetrates. You need a certain barrel length on an AR to make sure you're not going to blow through your target and kill your neighbor.
>>65585956>There's no credible data that proves that 12 gauge buckshot is more or less effective than 5.56. None. Zero.It's hard to imagine being so uninformed as to actually post this lmao>>65585978>Up close, 5.56 causes wounds bigger than 12 gauge does.Ok then, prove it
>>65585991>prove it>>65585739It's just not that good lmao
>>65585998>(all types)Worthless data.Anyone using anything smaller than #1 for defense is a retard.The worthwhile data would be buckshot (#1 or larger).
>>65586005Shotty bros were the first ones to make the claim that 12 gauge is more effective than 5.56, so shotty bros need to prove the claim. They tried. By name dropping a so called expert, with no data.
>>65586013I think it's pretty fucking obvious that a buckshot load with adequate penetration like #1 or larger is going to have a better chance at hitting the CNS than a single 5.56 round.Hitting the CNS is the only thing that will IMMEDIATELY incapacitate. Hitting other shit will incapacitate quite quickly but not literally instantly, and if your target is on enough drugs this could be the difference between you getting shot or not.
>>65585739>Metric Shotgun Statistics (90% 12-Gauge)>People Shot 146>Total Hits Recorded 178>One-Shot Stop % (Anywhere on body) 58%>Actual Incapacitation % (Head/Torso hits only) 86%>Average Rounds to Incapacitate 1.22 rounds>Fatality Rate 65%>Failure to Incapacitate % (Regardless of round count) 12%>Accuracy (Hits landing in Head/Torso) 84%But that's wrong and you coping about a 58% 1 shot incapacitation percentage including limbs is being disingenuous
>>65586039>Actual Incapacitation % (Head/Torso hits only) 86%And that 86% will grow a lot if you take out buckshot loads smaller than #1.
See, this is why that muzzie whose getting executed should be shot with 5.56 or 12 gauge to the sternum, so that we'll have some data.
This thread is proof that AR fags will stop at nothing until the ONLY available firearms are ARs
>>65586064>ar fags So, you don't own an ar?
>>65585998That doesn't prove anything about wound volume, retard-kun. Not too surprising, if you actually did the correct thing and looked at a combination of autopsy pictures, game necropsies, and jello shots then we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place as the results are rather obvious. Not to mention the ellifritz ""study"" is dubious at best. Zero provenance or proof for his claims, we don't even know if the guy did his math right or made the whole thing up since he refuses to let anyone review his data.Try harder next time
>>65586128Nta but I agree with him and I own 3 ARsI've gotten so tired of tacticool AR slop I'm becoming an unironic fuddI dont see myself buying another AR ever again at this point. I'll probably just sell the two i dont like as much as my A1 clone
>>65586151>I'm going to sell my ARs because I care about what people think on the internetYou're such a fucking woman lmao
>>65586230No, im going to sell my ars because they've lost their novelty
>>65586246Gunko pop collector
>>65586005#4 buckshot has proper penetration at indoor distances. Here's a video of a guy shooting a block of jello through a jean jacket from 10 feet away.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w6cmGHz-4O4
>>65586128I do, actually. But it's not the answer to all of life's questions end-all be-all
>>65584914>>65584740>>65584915>>65584928well maintained 10/22, CCI Minimag 40gr, binary trigger or FRT, 25 round magazine. bonus points for suppressor and SBR
>>65585230>fecaldermiskek
>>65586246>noveltyARs haven't been novel since fucking 2005, you absolute zoomer.
>>65586317>all pellets did not penetrate at least 12"Fail.
>>65586317>>65586371Also, my living room is closer to 10 yards long than 10 feet long and my home is smol.
>>65586317>m.youtube>m.
>>65586371You are not properly evaluating what you're looking at. There were not 27 separate shots of which 25 met the penetration standard and 2 did not. There was a single shot that created 27 wound channels varying in depth from 11.5 inches to 15 inches.
>>65586472>11.5 inchesIn other words, it failed the FBI standard.In other words, it doesn't have proper penetration.I accept your concession.
>>65586490You are not properly evaluating what you are looking at.
>>65586544You are not properly evaluating what you are looking at.
>>65585956Oy, friend.
Do you guys even like guns? I think all you like are ARs
>>65587041AR guys are unironically antigun UNLESS it's an AR. they even hate polyslop pistols since it isn't "muh rifle for muh boog". 100% pure neofuddery
>>65587041Firearms are supposed to be practical, self-defense tools. Anything other than an AR and a Glock or equivalent 9mm is impractical.Our manufacturing is optimized for ARs, 5.56, and 9mm. When SHTF, AK losers are going to cry when their previous Slavic garbage breaks and they're stuck with an inoperable firearm with UNOBTANIUM ammo.Meanwhile, true Americans with our beloved ARs can replace any part, any time while sourcing our ammo from Jimmy at the gas station.
>>65587075>ARfag>Immediately fantasizes about murdering their neighborsEvery time
>>65587075>Firearms are supposed to be practical, self-defense tools.The entire history of firearms, for that matter weapons in general, largely disagrees with you. Impractical, unwieldy, extremely niche and even outright retarded weapons are a constant throughout history. They're also based.
>>65587075Tools, they're just tools. >self defense>hunting>recreation>offensiveIf your only thought is trying to protect yourself from other idiots then I wouldn't really worry about you. Within a couple weeks of shtf you're already a loot drop.
>>65583943I thought it was "OP is a faggot", although that is more like an axiom anyway.
>>65587041They don't like guns, or ARs even, they like larping and the idea of larping. They are waiting for their cowadooty day to finally happen, where they'll get greased by a 60 year old with his Remington 700 in .270 Winchester
>>65587075>SHTFThat's all you arfags care about, waiting for your big igloo.
>>65587182>>65587189>t.dead in the streets nocans nonods noplates poorfag
>>655785551. No you can’t2. Shotguns also come in semiautomatic to make you even more wrong.
I’ll never be convinced that all this seethe about shotguns from /arg/ trannies isn’t caused by them being faggots that bruise easily and are scared of recoil.
>>65587463You're too fucking fat to even find plates that'd fit you, sit back down
>>65587487I'm starting to wonder if there isn't something more happening, like a shortage of hormone shots, because those fuckers have been starting fights in a lot of threads lately, A LOT
>>65577773He tested both. Similar results.
>>65587564Has an update on the new army rifle come out? Usually the waves of /arg/ troons shitting up every thread is directly linked to the M7 making their peepee shooters archaic.
>>65587621I don't know, anything the military used after Vietnam is totally off my sphere of interest
Aren't shotguns on at self defense range? You can tank a bullet, you can't tank a 12 gauge.
>>65587672Yes, they always have been. Don't listen to larper faggot AR tards, about anything
>>65587487>>65587684>t.raped by blue helmetshope you like getting outranged by a nerf gun retard
>>65587721How many threads are you in repeating that? I hope you're at least being paid for this shit
>>65587721>>65587795blue helmet schizo origin arc?
>>65588001I don't even know, all I did was politely decline his request (demand) I join his AR-based cult. He's been freaking out in this and the Ruger thread since
>>65588028Based on other threads, he just wants to fight
>>65588062These people put way too much of their identity into guns they don't even like enough to leave alone
