>Blowpipe, the British Manpad that entered service in 1975>Joystick guided missile traveling at mach 1.5>The manual guidance was chosen to make the missile cheaper, but the missile ended up costing 55% more than a stinger>Out of the 200 fired during the falkland war there were 2 hits and half the time the missile would fail in various ways giving it a 1% hit rate>The control fins were too difficult to make foldable so it was decided to make the front of the launcher fit the non-foldable fins, the fins at the back are strictly for stabilization so they were made foldable>The system would weight 22kg (49lbs) when loaded, slightly heavier than a 20kg Olympic barbell
Britain has been broke for a very long time. A lot of the time people meme on British gear being shit, but its rarely a result of them being incapable of producing modern equipment, more that they straight cant afford it. This is why the warrior had no stabilized gun, its also why it uses the Rarden in the first place; why the warrior and initial challengers had no thermals, and yes; its also why they chose joysticks over IR homing. People blame "muh thatcher", but she was just doing damage control on an economy that never really bounced back from the second world war.
>>65575546C'mon even Soviets made it seeker manpads, it's not that complicated.Brits design was specifically intentional to counter flares (so they made missile that can't hit aircraft with or without flares at all lol)
>>65575546>initial challengers had no thermalsThat was more due to the TOGS 1 not being ready before the Mk2 came out, all the initial vehicles were produced ready for mounting them. Its abit like the 105mm vs 120mm for the M1, with the initial M1 being a low-cost effort with upgrade plans, such as the Rhm120 which was deemed not ready at the time
>>65575546>the warrior had no stabilized gun, its also why it uses the Rarden in the first placeWhy do people refuse to look at the role the vehicle was designed for?
>>65575637Rarden was designed for FV721 Fox armoured car, very small vehicle with tight internals, it simply had no internal space to fit belt fed ammo box, so Brits come up with this cringe clips feeding. But at least fir Fox car it made some sense. But when building Warrior IFV they installed whatever gun they had (Rarden) and seriously compromised fire power with it's clips feeding.
>>65575637>Why do people refuse to look at the role the vehicle was designed for?95% of people are unable to view shit in the context of design requirements, doctrine, industrial capacity and everything else that influences a vehicle or weapon. The cv90 vs Brad debates during 23/24 was pure pain to watch
>>65575478>Out of the 200 fired during the falkland war there were 2 hits and half the time the missile would fail in various ways giving it a 1% hit ratesirprisingly, still a better performance than what soviets managed
>>65575700It's hard to see it as just retardation though, particularly when they get so salty at having it pointed out.
>>65575700>our requirements were to make a bad vehicleOk, it's still bad.
Skill issue
>>65575637>Why do people refuse to look at the role the vehicle was designed for?>It was designed shit on purpose!That's not a good thing!
>>65575546>muh thatcher British retards truly believe she was the Antichrist, but completely ignore the fact that if she didn't do what she did the entire British economy would collapse. Leftists can't comprehend total collapse, they always believe value magically erupts because Marx says so.
>>65575704>still a better performance than what soviets managedSorry but unsourced Janes citation is not a reliable source.
>>65575730>>65575742
>>65575763There's no situation where the lack of a stabilizer is a good thing lmao.Unless your turret is cramped as fuck, there's also no reason to have a dumbass clip loading system.Face it, it's designed shit.
>>65575546The brits never truly recovered from World War 1.They indebted themselves to America, and then went much further into debt with the second round to own the germans.
>>65575795>We can't let the Germans be an opposing power to the empire!>Cripples the empire lmao>20 years pass>OH NOES! WE CAN'T LET THE HITLER BE AN OPPOSING POWER TO THE EMPIRE!>Empire even more crippled to the point even war-torn Germany being split in half looks like paradise compared to the UKLOLLMAO EVEN!!!
>>65575627Blowpipe makes some sense in 1970s context. Redeye and Strela-2 were ultimately really bad weapons being tail-engagement only, meaning the attacker gets to drop their bombs and then the small man-portable missile has to play catch-up, and they were completely unsuitable for shooting down observation helicopters that the brits thought would do pop-ups in the European theater. Both were also easily jammed with simple strobing IRCM gear.Blowpipe ended up being garbage as well, but there was some reason for going with MCLOS. Stinger, the first actually good MANPADS was only introduced in the '80s.
>>65575770It was designed entirely for the European front of the Cold War, with the assumption that its entire job would be to engage Soviet light armour from static, prepared, and preferably hull down positions. In that role the stabiliser is completely dead weight. >HURR DURR DAT R DUM!!!!!Only if you assume that it's the only thing that the British military had (it wasn't), that the British would be the only ones fighting the Soviets in that scenario (they wouldn't), and you demand that every piece of military equipment should be able to do every single possible job (it shouldn't).
Oh wow a classic og warriortard threadHello fart boy, hows it going? Not seen you in a while
>made yet another thread crying about britainTry being at least slightly subtle about this
>>65575822remind me again, is Warriortard the guy who hates british stuff like the warrior, or is it some bong who obsesses over how great it is?
>>65575839Seethes constantly about britain, he got the nickname because the warrior was just the excuse he used to always used to spam threads with. Now he seems to have at least gotten smart enough to branch out (though you notice the warrior gets brought up in the very first post after the OP).
>>65575821This is pure desperate unmitigated cope. The Rarden wasn't chosen because of some big brained doctrinal choice, it was chosen because it was already in inventory. The warrior didn't lack a stabilizer because of some Fulda gap 4d chess, it was omitted because the program was already overbudget, which incidentally why the slated heavy variants with rocket systems and the self-propelled gun variant never materialized. There is no shame in not being able to afford something, but it is shameful to try frame a lesser capability borne of insufficient funds to actually be a good thing.
>>65575798>a universe where germ*ny does anything Faggot.
>>65575860
>>65575478>>The system would weight 22kg (49lbs) when loaded, slightly heavier than a 20kg Olympic barbellWow, the 22kg system was slightly heavier than a 20kg weight????
If we're talking bad missile systems then nobody look up the M47 Dragon
>>65575902several people are saying this
>>65575904Should have just copied the Soviets and their Metis tbqhwy
>>65575821>We picked a retarded cannon on purpose!That's WORSE than if you picked it by accident by the way, you fucking idiot.
This faggot is somehow more obsessed with the uk than the russian spammers are.
What blew up?
>>65575904The Dragon at least was better than the Sagger
>>65575986But it's a different class of ATGM. The Saxhorn is the Dragon's equivalent.>company level weapon>1000m range>can't hit shit with it
>>65575927>The point>Your inbred head
>>65575752I think there's quite a lot of space between>Doesn't agree with every thatcher didand>Full on Marxist
>>65575990>>65575904The Dragon walked so the Javelin could run
>>65575865Average British engineer
>>65576045>Best argument the vatnigger can think of
>>65575478Fucking astonishing to me that they even landed ANY hits with that thing.
>time to make another totally organic thread seething about the British for another 200 Rubles
>>65575627Soviets got toilet paper in 1968 (google it), unironically by buying a british factory to produce the stuff. The first cosmonaut flew into space with shit in his pants. The stuff was in short supply up until 1991, despite generations of soviet people not even using it, since they were raised before it appeared. That is to say that USSR "having something" is a bad indicator. A typical soviet man in the 1970s and 1980s ate "naked pasta" (i.e. boiled pasta without anything, since even ketchup wasn't a thing) and maybe some potatoes. Even bootleg balogna sausage (diluted with crap) was in short supply and people would ride hundreds of miles on train to buy some.
>>65576121>Make a post of a shitty manpad that was last used 41 years ago>Russian shill botHuh?
>>65575752It's not a british thing. People are generally retarded and have a bad thing with memory, cause and effect and just seeing an overall picture. It's how there's a ton of retards in post-soviet countries who are nostalgic for USSR for dozens of reasons, while they were the ones who sucked donkey dick while they've actually lived through the times. Bad memories are forgotten (alcohol increases the effect), good memories remain, now add some commie-propaganda and you're golden.
>>65575980Pumping station Samara is sending diesel into US using Cloud Transfer
>>655761579 times out of 10 being buttmad about brits == ruslim (historical grievances, please understand)"shitty mandpad" == "still better than soviet equivalent"
>>65575478>>The system would weight 22kg (49lbs) when loaded, slightly heavier than a 20kg Olympic barbellHUH!
>>65576174Just a smoking accident comrade.Or the newer line, that all drones were shot down and what you are seeing is just some fires caused by the fallen debris.
>>65576178I'm not angry about Britain, I just thought this was an interesting manpad I wanted to share and see the reactions people have. Isn't this the point of this forum or can you only talk about specific countries weapons?
>>65576183>this forumFuck off retard.
>>65575839It’s a made up word that British shills on /k/ use to brigade threads You can test this, drop the term warriortard or Armatard in a random thread and one of them will get an alert and show up and start squeaking about ziggers or whatever they do Next, try with it misspelled or using a Unicode character for one of the letters, and they don’t get the alert
He's resorted to his goto of crying about being called out, like he always does.
>>65576189>It’s a made up wordNoice butthurt, Ivan
Im actually more interested if it can be transformed into a long range wireless atgm
>>65576189>Russian thinks that every other country runs troll-farms too
>>65576189>British shillsMate, you think we can afford shills? Lol, we can't even afford to train our military.
>>65576327Yes, I know you are being obtuse and trying to deflect, but look up the Zinc Network for one. They have UK government contracts to recruit social media influencers to fight Russia online
>calling out pidor spam == "british shills"Ruslim, please
>>65576332Nobody is denying that the British government is doing its best to (very ineffectively, and often counterproductively) influence domestic media and conversations; but suggesting that there are British wumao equivalents spamming your retarded threads on /k/ is genuinely fucking delusional. You're just not that important or significant. If they were here they'd be spamming authorised talking points about how wonderful the Labour party is, using copypasted lines in every post.
>>65576055and the britbongs arguments against this >>65575860 post?
>>65576453Denying reality is not an argument.
>>65576445The Zinc Network (just one example) is not domestic only. There are other examples. CREST (Centre for Research and Evidence on Security Threats) studied how to degrade user participation in American Chan boards by filling them with uninteresting content.
>>65576487>There are other examples. CREST (Centre for Research and Evidence on Security Threats) studied how to degrade user participation in American Chan boards by filling them with uninteresting content.Is that where you learned to be a boring fucker?
>>65576489No I learned that from the letters that OFCOM sends 4chan begging to take down content, (despite the site being too unimportant for the British government to be here, remember)
>>65576501Lmao it's the ofcom schizo, post your luger you twink.
>>65575478>slightly heavier than a 20kg Olympic barbellYeah no fucking shit, you stupid fucking retard.
>>65576514Haha sounds like you already got gadooshed and broken in by another actual gun owner on this siteGood luck getting a Luger in the UK though, if you could even afford one considering that place is poorer than the nigger state of Mississippi lol. I bet even Hi Point would be like a month of groceries for you
>>65575478>daily thread seething about bongs Armatard is 100% back
>>65576553How pathetic do you have to be to need to come here and schizopost to feel anything vaguely good about yourself?
>>65576479Yeah but this is you who denies reality.
>but this is you who denies reality.What sort of thirdworld writing is this?
>>65575810>being tail-engagement only,Ther is nothing wrong about that. Practical kill probability of that era manpads is in are around 10%, you aren't stoping attackers with them. This category of weapons is for getting "revenge" shots and inflict attrition. Manual SACLOS against jet fighter is pure delusion.
>>65576614Shill continues shut it down flood script?
>>65576621The blowpipe was never a general use MANPAD, the Bongs already had stingers for that. Its niche was to take out Soviet artillery spotting and recon helos loitering without alerting them to a radar lock or to be able to be spoofed by flares. It' still wasn't great at this but thats what happens when you build something 10 years before the technology has been miniaturised enough to make it practical.But you probably already knew this and this seethe thread exists for you to shit into it and for no other reason.
>>65575753did you miss CIA as a source right next to it?
>>65576612>NO U!That really is the best you can do, isn't it.
>>65575478>ManpadIt's a MANPADS. All man portable air defense systems are MANPADS, even if there is only one.
>>65576649>Its niche was to take out Soviet artillery spotting and recon helos loitering without alerting them to a radar lock or to be able to be spoofed by flares.IR seeker manpads have nor problems of shooting down helis. Flares are finite recource not something that can protect recon heli
>>65575798>cripples the empireAnon, the empire had been crippled since the government took over and it stopped being a for-profit enterprise.
>>65575821>it was designed for an extremely narrow niche and no provision was made for any sort of flexibility in case the war doesn't go exactly as we had envisioned everywhere on the battlefield at all times.That's pretty dumb, desu.
>>65576928IKR! Why would a country in the middle of the Cold War, that had already seen how close things had come to going hot, tailor their military to exactly that scenario? Why wouldn't they spend money they didn't have to build a military that wasn't tailored to their needs? Were they stupid or something?
>>65576946>so here's the plan: the ruskies are going to come from exactly that point on the border at exactly this angle and they'll only bring the weapons we know they have today, so let's design our very expensive next generation armored vehicle that we'll be using for at the very least the next three decades to sit in exactly this spot and look at exactly that angle and never move an inch and not do a single thing other than that>sir, what if they come from a different direction?>SHUT UP YOU RETARDED NIGGER THIS PLAN IS FOOLPROOF!!1!
>>65576967Are you just discovering that militaries aren't prescient?
Settle down beavis.
>>65576970No, I'm well aware that military procurement is often dumb as fuck. How does that make the lack of a gun stabilizer (because apparently the British thought they'd only ever be shooting in one direction while standing still) not a dumb idea?
>>65576919Anon, Empires are an inherently bad idea for a country. They are good for individual stake holders who can extract value from the Empire while getting other people to pay for their security concerns, but almost always a net drag on the actual country and it's people.
>>65576332>, but look up the Zinc Network for one.Where, on /pol/? The same /pol/ that lost 70% of it's traffic when Ukraine hit a yandex data centre?
>>65577130Fukkin hilarious.
>>65576978Because it made perfect sense in the role the vehicle was designed for. What about that are you finding hard to understand? What you're saying is like someone declaring that the B-52 is a shit bomber because it can't dogfight. >tl;dr - it's a retarded analysis
>>65576967>sit in exactly this spot and look at exactly that angle and never move an inch and not do a single thing other than This is insane hyperbole used to describe...>Shoot>Fall back to a prepared position>Shoot againEspecially since the brits never got fully on board with IFV doctrine. The real anti-tank capability of the british army was the dismounts and specialist anti-tank units like swingfire and malkara, which is readily apparent if you read their doctrines and watch their training videos about how they actually intended to fight. They pretty much intended to fight Russia the same way they fought Germany, which was wait for the attack, fix it with their front line troops, break it up with artillery and other indirect fires and then counterattack the reeling enemy.And swingfire was very cool, you park the vehicle behind a hill, you have a spotter hidden on top of it and the missiles fires up and over the hill and is guided onto the target. All with early 60s technology.
>>65577165I meant to add, warrior was intended to be used as a battle taxi with benefits, rather than a full IFV.
Feels like we didn't have much warriortard seethe for a while but now he's back. Must be some sort of fuckup mental health cycle. Too bad we killed toropets Mike, he was at least more entertaining than tragic.
>>65575752According to British media creators, the 1980s consisted of Maggie Thatcher personally firing everyone from their jobs, stealing all their money, then firebombing their houses, sending good honest lads to NI where they all got blown up but that's okay because they were brutal colonizers who massacred thousands every day, and the BNP murdering every single black person in the UK.
Just another bitchy /pol/ thread.
