Why are African armies so underrated?
Probably Europe. It basically hinges on defeating the shitty-but-modern militarys in the north like egypt and algeria, if they can handle then the rest of the continent is not meaningfully above ww2 levels, until they get to south africa which is relatively capable but has rotted for the last 30 years.
>>65577986They aren't underrated, they suck.
>>65577986Africa doesn't have the industry to pursue a grinding attritional war, even if African soldiers aren't actually much worse than European ones when properly equipped and can do some pretty impressive stunts like the Rwandans.
>>65577986if you were in charge of the combined european 1939 army how would you approach taking 2026 africa, wargame it and break it down
>>65578021Stop feeding them, watch them all die.
>>65578021The scenario for this is literally just Scramble for Africa II. Individual European nations would again have more internal competition than their actual melanic opponents. And it would still likely involve gaining up on Germany again because we just can’t allow that upstart junior state a seat at the big boys table.
>>65578002How's Algeria's performance track record? Because north African states tend to job pretty hard despite reasonably advanced equipment
>>65578002>>65578015>>65578018>>65578021is this a jokeAlgeria's army currently mog pretty much any european one in size and equipement Algeria + Egypt can easily take down 2000 Europe, alone alone 1939 one
>>65577986Don't Egypt and Libya have, like, modern fighter/bomber jets and such? And other modern weapons and vehicles? Seems like that would count for a lot in a total war scenario.
>>65578084their oily man push up trailer tech is unmatched
>>65578085Egypt and Morocco have a massive military Algeria is on an other scale since they have the budget for any Chinese or Russian toy
>>65578085>Don't Egypt and Libya have, like, modern fighter/bomber jets and such? And other modern weapons and vehicles?Yes. Which means that in a year or two, so will the Europeans. And then it'll be a seal clubbing.
>>65578084>currently mog pretty much any european one in size and equipementbut sadly, not in performance
>>65578114yeah brother those 1930s factories pumping out F-16s in just a couple years yessir
>>65577986because all of them are built for coup-proofing and as a result fall the fuck apart the moment you put up stiff resistance to them. now there are some ones that would overperform in the right situations, some of north Africa some decent gear and possibly training but i see so much mixed shit out of them i'm not entirely sure that they wouldn't fuck it up anyways.
>>65578128no 1939 army is putting up "stiff resistance" to a 2026 military, I don't think you quite comprehend just how much technology has advanced in the last century
>>655781141939 portugal will produce Su-57 and J-35 stealth fighters
>>655779861939 Europe has battleships, modern Africa has nothing that can destroy them. Europe blockades Africa and wins.
>>65578136so true, such a shame we lost the technology that makes BBs immune to bombs and missiles
>>65578084>>65578085Yeah, but they are staffed by North Africans, which are basically Arabs.
>>65578136Algeria and Egypt can destroy 1939 batleshipsActually Algeria alone can easily destroy 2026 european battleships
>>65578145Algeria is a shithole with nothing worth in it
>>65578145ah the famous battleships of 2026, I hear they launched Bismarck IV just the other day
>>65578149The YJ-12 that Algeria operate is more modern than european anti ship missile
>>65578124Absolutely. The technological leaps made by Europeans during WW2 were nothing short or miraculous, and they had literally nothing to guide then save for vague scientific theories. 2026's Africa may be a backwater, but they will have documentation of scientific advances made by Europeans, Americans and Asians in the past 80 years. And then it'll be scientific minds of the Europeans vs Africans, and it won't even be a contest.
>>65578153Nah. it is non-functional piece of shit with no proven capacities
>>65578124they don't need to make F-16sEurope in 1939 can make make airplanes, Africa in 2026 cannot
>>65578158you are a child with no understanding of industry
>>65578158You're pretty retarded.
>>65578153Cool. How many do they have? Because what they have is all they will have, since they can't make more.
>>65578159Algeria's anti ships option: 3M-54E1 Klub-S (Submarine-launched / Project 636 & 877EKM Kilo-class)Saab RBS-15 Mk3 (Ship-launched / MEKO A-200AN frigates)Kh-35 / Kh-35E Uran (Ship-launched / Upgraded Koni-class frigates & Nanuchka II corvettes)C-802 / C-802A (Ship-launched / Adhafer C28A corvettes & Djebel Chenoua patrol craft)YJ-12B / CM-302 (Land-based mobile coastal defense)P-15M / P-20U Termit / 4K51 Rubezh (Legacy ship/coastal defense, largely phased out)Kh-31A / Kh-31P (Air-launched / Su-30MKA fighters)Kh-59MK / Kh-59ME (Air-launched / Su-30MKA fighters)Kh-29 (Air-launched / Su-30MKA fighters & Su-24MK bombers)MAM-L / MAM-C / MAM-T (Drone-launched precision munitions / Aksungur, Akinci, Anka UAVs)YJ-83K / C-802AK (Air-launched anti-ship cruise missile / Incoming Chinese J-10C deal)YJ-91 (Air-launched anti-radiation & anti-ship missile / Incoming Chinese J-10C package)Yeah no 2026 european ship is coming close, let alone junk from 1939
>>65578170That's a lot of words for outdated scrap metal
>>65577986why did 22% of people vote for africa? are they stupit?
>>65578164>>65578163Haha. Post hand right now. And then list exactly how many F-16s Egypt and Algeria have produced.
>>65578168What is this retarded discussion Algeria can sink any 1939 fleet using it's airforce, it has more than enough munition
>>65578175Literally the most modern Chinese, Turkish and Russian equipement
>>65577986reasons
>>65577986Nothing underrated. Why not live there?
>>65578179presume for a moment that 1939 Europe doesn't just send every last ship they own directly into the fight in one huge wave and they instead perform an interdiction campaign designed to destroy irreplaceable aircraft and submarines while they're parkedhow do you respond without sounding mad
>>65578179>Talks about YJ-12>Posts lists containing literally anything but YJ-12I will forgive you for the lapse in logic and the lapse in grammar. It is surely hard enough to be brown without any additional humiliation.Anyway the point is that while Africans are more modern than 1939's Europeans, they have limited inventories. They don't make their own stuff. Thus, what they have is all they will have. Europe in 1939 is industrialised, and with future knowledge will reach technological parity with Africa in a couple of years.
>>65578194An interdiction campaign against the country with densest most modern AD in the world currentlyI'm sure those 1939 aircraft will do well against the S-400, S-350, HQ-16E, Pantsir, TORM2, HQ-17, HQ-9, S300-PMU etc.
>>65578199bait, tbe egyptian, algerian, moroccan militaires have more than enough inventory and military industry to reduce a 1939 into ashesActually more ammo and military production than most european powers, and it's modern stuff.
>>65578206I don't think you quite understandBritain alone sacrificed tens of thousands of men during their bombing campaigns against Germany, Europe can afford to expend Algerian air defenses
>>65578207Yeah sure my brown friend. The imaginary factories will surely churn out enough modern PGMs to blot out the sun for the white devil! Africa will prevail!
>posting a YouTube poll about a random hypothetical with a one sentence OPKILL YOURSELF NOW!!!
>>65578178You know when you do these callouts, back in the day you were supposed to do it first, right?>And then list exactly how many F-16s Egypt and Algeria have produced.Zero, which is also the exact amount of airframes that Europe will be producing. You do not understand the sheer amount of leaps and advancements required to make most modern equipment that they would have to go through.>>65578194They have zero idea how to do that, though, while an Algerian man can just open a book.>>65578211A modern aircraft can basically kill as many prop fighters as they feel like without any problems at all unless the pilot is actually profoundly retarded or incredibly unlucky.
>>65578214https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_industry_of_Egypt
>>65578211Obviously he doesn't. He reduces everything into a wiki page vs. wiki page comparison and calls it a day.In reality, 1939 Europe wouldn't need to even lift a finger. 2026 Africa without foreign aid and food from outside the continent would collapse in on itself in less than a year, even if they somehow managed to stay on one team.
>>65578222Africa produces 3 times calories than 1939 europe
>>65578219Ooooh I do wonder what happens when those partners are no longer available... Hmmm.... What a mystery......
>>65578218>A modern aircraft can basically kill as many prop fighters as they feel like without any problems at all unless the pilot is actually profoundly retarded or incredibly unlucky.Holy shit you really are brown, you genuinely don't understand what I'm saying.A modern jet fighter can shoot at a WWII era airplane with impunity yes, but it has very limited magazine depth and has to land. When facing off against raids consisting of hundreds or even thousands of airplanes, this is a limiting factor.Take the war in Ukraine as an example of what I'm talking about. Both sides operate modern jet fighters, but they still get their shit blown up by drones that are worse than a WWII fighter bomber in every regard, simply because their resources are insufficient to counter the raid.
>>65578228Still has more than enough to conquer Europe in two weeks and end human life there With probably 500 casualities
>>65578218>Zero, which is also the exact amount of airframes that Europe will be producing. You do not understand the sheer amount of leaps and advancements required to make most modern equipment that they would have to go through.Interesting to see that you have managed to reason out half a point but not the whole point.Yes, zero. That's the entire point. Once the Egyptians have run out of munitions and lost their airframes, they will be at technological parity with Europe. And then it's not even a contest.
>>65578232With imaginary expeditionary capacity I assume.
>>65577986I'd say Africa wins, while having a technological deficit on the ground isn't a crippling disadvantage, it's a very different story in the air, the only way WW2 Europe is winning an air war against modern jet fighters and attack helicopters is with swarm tactics.
>>65578231>waah brown>simply because their resources are insufficient to counter the raid.Yes, some raiders would get through, particurally in places not likely to be well covered like Libya, but the distance between Europe and Egypt is a lot bigger than the distance between most of the drone launch sites in Russia and their target in Ukraine, or vice versa. Egypt alone has like 300 ish combat aircraft, and assuming that 1/3rd of them are not flyable at any one time, they can put up 200. 200 fighter jets will destroy pretty much any raid, actually multiple raids, and then you add various forms of AD on top of that And, well, 1939 bomber raids aren't actually very good, on their lonesome. It takes culmilative affect or a really particurally devestating strike to get anything done, and I don't think enough bomber raids will get through with enough planes to seriously hinder Africa unless they get very lucky and hit a facility that they cannot replace.The big problem is also that both Africa and Europe would need to land boots on the ground to defeat the enemy, and here I frankly don't think either would be very good at it but the african nations with actual militaries would be capable of soundly beating off any landing attempts on North Africa. I don't think they have the capacity to go on the reverse and take Paris with ease, but they could seize, say, Malta, Sicily, Sardina, Crete etc., which would also relieve some of the bombing pressure.Ultimately I think it's an African-favoring stalemate that nobody really comes out seriously ahead in.>>65578236>they will be at technological parity with Europe. They will not be, no. Egypt isn't exactly an advanced manufacturing powerhouse but it's not going to go down to 1940 without European advisors, either. They do have an actual indigenous base of manufacture, at least as much as anyone does in modern times. Reliant on imports in many cases, yeah, but not all of them.
>>65578251Where is africa going to get all their armaments?
>>65578263It's going to be mostly the Arabs to the north and South Africa pulling that weight, but I'd like to note that 1939 Europe obviously didn't have the same insane war economies they would by the mid-1940s, and America isn't a factor so they won't have lend-lease.
>>65578261You really don't get it, do you? Thousands of propeller airplanes would be destroyed, that's undeniable. 1939 Europe can afford to eat that loss and replace all of it and more. Every time a raid successfully destroys a grounded fighter or a missile launcher or whatever, that's a loss Africa can't replace at the cost of something Europe can replace. This isn't even mentioning the fact that no air defense network is perfect and it can be bypassed occasionally. take the Iranian F-5 raid on the USAF airbase as a very recent example of that.tl;dr ur brown lol
>>65578086Mom said it's my turn to post the funny video
North Africa is massively dependent on food imports, the minute that stops famine sets in pretty rapidly. Egypt imports something like half of its food and is population is all crammed into small, dense areas of the country.
>>65578285>1939 Europe can afford to eat that loss and replace all of it and moreBy the time the war ended the Allies were totally exhausted. I don't think they could sustain it long enough to actually cinch an actual no-holds-barred victory in a scenario where both sides are as committed as the otherAnd, again, African ground forces have tech far in excess of anything that the Allies have and no air war is going to change that. Allied tanks can just be destroyed with typical shoulder rocket launchers, not to mention that there's a large amount of motorization even at the rando warlord zergling level.>occasionallyOccasionally does not win you a war unless you're throwing nukes.
>>65577986Africa includes Egypt, and even an Ar*b army could take 1939 Europe on an equipment basis alone. Basic-bitch RPGs would completely fuck any tank and there's literally nothing they could do about the air power.
>>65577986Youtube polls have the supernatural ability to consistently have the wrong answer be the most popular one.
>>65578337The only way the Europeans would win an air war is to build up their industry as fast as possible and crank out tens of thousands of origami paper planes to Zerg rush.
>>65578181>Chinese, Turkish and Russian equipement>modernPick one.
>>655782181939 Europe can make thousands of planes a year.2026 Africa can make basically zero.
>>65578350Refrain from botting up the thread any further please, this has been semi-civilised by /k/ standards thus far.
After seeing Who Killed Captain Alex, I think the elite Wakaliwood regiment could singlehandedly defeat the forces of Europe without losing a man.
>>65578367So much action on one DVD!Its too much
>>65577986If anything I'd call them generously rated
>>65577986>the darkies cannot replace their losses for the most part>the euros can>millions of mad dancing communists and co. with hundreds of thousands of aircraft rape, murder, and bombard their way to Cape TownThis is without getting into the matter of reverse-engineering (and acquiring future information), the fact that the Africans have poor to no force projection, and the fact that the Afrricans effectively only have Egypt, Algeria, and South Africa (which is too far away to be useful).
>>65577986>yuros cheat with future information obtained via covert means and obtain nuclear weapons and long-range ballistic missiles (which are roughly within the manufacturing capabilities of the era)>nuclear fire engulfs morocco and egypt
>>655779861986 Africa would have had a better chance.
>>65578085"Africa" is a funny word; you say it, and everyone's mind snaps to ... the Congo, or Nigeria, or the like. The Med coast just seems to be either ignored or mentally assigned to the middle east.
Africans couldnt work out the logistics to land in Europe in the first place.
>>65578590The Lampedusans might disagree.
>>65578333Why are we assuming it'd stop? Can they no longer use the trade agreements they currently have in 2026? I just assumed both sides had access to anything they normally would in their "native" era.
>>65578227With or without considering cannibalism?
>>65578603Because they import their food and fertilizers from what is now 1939's Europe.
>>65578624So we're assuming the 1939 version of Europe they're fighting in this vague hypothetical is the same 2026 Europe they trade with and buy a lot of their equipment from? That would create a time paradox and make the whole scenario pointless
Fun fact, sub-saharan Africa is undergoing the Flynn effect as education and infrastructure programs rollout. Remember that in 1900, the average IQ of the US was 70.
>>65578647The word average doing a ton of heavy lifting there
>>65578647The Flynn effect is fake anyway. It's not an actual increase in g, general intelligence. People aren't actually getting more intelligent, just getting higher IQ scores.
>>65578601Things would change if we allowed them to install a Mittelmeerwall.
>>65578660>>65578663I'll never understand why people here specifically are so resistant to the idea that intelligence is a generational resource, that you build on through time. It's not just backed up by the science, it feels intuitively correct too when you think about it. Parents raised to value education raise their children to value education and in aggregate, this effect playing out through the population makes people smarter.We always used to believe that hard work pays dividends, and that if you raise your children to study hard they'll succeed, it's the ultimate trad value that nobody wants to hear about anymoreAnyway, the best available science backs mehttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886912003741https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12741743/And just for fun, why the Flynn effect is in retreat in the West (we stopped schooling traditionally and it's a disaster)https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1718793115
>>65578691>the soience backs me up>can't even form an argument on why it backs you upNo, I don't think so. Flynn effect is fake, people are getting dumber, niggers aren't getting smarter, if anything they should be dropping in IQ thanks to foreign aid allowing millions of them to survive when they shouldn't.
>>65578084>it's thirdies doing the >w-we could totally mog you, modern shit is all a fad!meme againkek.
>>65578084People who mock America for losing to Vietnamese rice farmers think Egypt could defeat three superpowers of 20th century because they have F-16s (a non-stealth aircraft developed in 1970s)
>>65577986Europe would demolish africa after the 2nd month of the war when the turdie thirdies drop enough gear running away for the euros to modernize. All the browns in the thread mean you are never going to get them to admit this though, their izzat means they can never admit how shit their armies are
>>65578085America had modern fighter/bomber jets in Afghanistan and Vietnam as well. See how much good it did to them
>>65578218>while an Algerian man can just open a book.Can Algerian man even read
>>65577986Because they are incompetent and can't understand anything but simple tribal warfare.>>65578084Lol they wouldn't last one day in a real fight..
>>65578170you are in bigger delulu than ziggers were before Ukraine war started.
>>65578177Yes. There is a guy in that thread who thinks one M1 Abrams can conquer entire Europe
>>65578603Because they buy food from Europe and Russia who they are currently in a war with?
>>65578638Correct. They would run out of spare parts in a matter weeks because purchase all of it from the West
>>65578337air power alone has never won a war. not to mention their fighter jets couldn't even reach London or Moscow without aerial refueling
>>65578647you don't know what Flynn Effect is
>>655780841939 Europe was comfortably fielding armies of millions of men and proportionate amounts of tanks, aircraft, artillery, etc. And unlike third world militaries they had actual smart and competent officers. North Africa would not have enough high tech gear to meaningfully stop them especially once the RN, MN, Kriegsmarine, and VMF put a chokehold blockade around the continent and they lose all their fuel and grain imports. All their crap is imported, they don't have an industrial base to resupply so once they've burned through whatever fancy missiles they do have, they're completely fucked.
>>65577986South Africa is the only African country with any kind of arms industry, without arms imports they are done.
Does africa even have its own satellite surveilance?Anyway the largest strategic bombing of ww2 had over 1500 bombers for a total of 2000 tonnes of bombs.And late game america has access to nukes which trump any other kind of weapon
>>65577986Egypt has smaller defense budget than Kazakhstan. Are 22% of youtube commenters fucking retarded? how is this even a debate?
>>65578153brown
>>65578780It's just delusional browns, and people who think having a limited amount of modern missiles means shit when you're up against a continent of people who can stomach losses in the millions and keep fighting. Like congrats you shot down a hundred enemy bombers but now your jets are out of missiles and have to rearm while the other four hundred bombers in the raid are free to go to town on you. Repeat for a couple weeks and the enemy lost a thousand bombers (and destroyed all your airfields while doing it) and now you have no missiles at all and Europe is still churning out aircraft but now they can and will raze your cities with impunity.
>>65577986Easy 1939 Europe win, could be 1914 and still the same story.
>>65578218>without any problems at all unless the pilot is actually profoundly retarded or incredibly unlucky.Or, the home base has run out of spares, lubricant, fuel and munitions because the home base has zero facilities or ability for production and no means of importation.>>65578222>2026 Africa without foreign aid and food from outside the continent would collapse in on itselfThey'd be back to eating each-other in another year.
modern egypt and algeria would easily redee. 1939 europe saar i know this because i am pakistani saar +9gorillion izzat saar
>>65578647>in 1900, the average IQ of the US was 70Only tge most pathetic, reddit tier pseudointellectual retards parrot this made up bullshit.
>1939 Europe>immediately ignoring the vast colonial empires that some of those members have which were a major contribution to their combat abilityIf we're going into hypotheticals, then you might as well say that the Bongs and Germans have Meteors and Me 262 because the Bongs invented the jet engine in 1936. So if you've got the jet engine and you're seeing F-16's, you'll know there is a way to make that jet engine better, so all it takes is a single wreck and UK, Germany and France will likely work on a better engine.
Some have some decent elite units for counterterrorism or specialist anti poaching operations but their ground forces are largely garbage. Even South Africa is pretty shit. Nigeria is literally African Russia, so you can make your own conclusions on their military. Otherwise the decent ones are simply too small and underfunded to be a geopolitical threat.
>>65578647>>65578691>>65578694
>>65578776>And late game americaNot involved in this discussion, but you bringing up nukes is a good point.The Bongs invented the nuke, sorry America, it's true. But they traded the nuke information for lend-lease to USA. In this hypothetical where USA is not involved, the Bongs would have a nuke by 1945. Maybe 1946. They had the Tube Alloy project. The Germans were also working on nukes (and had the Bongs not destroyed their hardwater supply, they might have had one by 1945 as well). So all Europe has to do is hold off for a few years, maybe even shorter because Germany and UK would be working together and they'd product nukes. They wouldn't be modern yields, but they'd still have some.Now the counter-argument would be that South Africa would make nukes. They made one and dismantled it. So they have the ability, so they could easily make one and nuke Europe.
>>65579179>but their ground forces are largely garbageAlgeria has a bigger land army than western europe combined
>>65579213>biggerMan you're brown. They are trained like shit,equipped like shit and they would flee the second they are expected to actually fight.
>>65579220>equipped like shit600 T-90SA, 400 VT-4, 1034 TPz Fuchs 2, 3000 Nimr II, 325 T-72M1, 290 T-62, 270 T-55AMV, 760 BMP-2M, 220 BMP-2, 300 BMPT-72 Terminator 2, 13+ BMPT-62, 28 Kornet-EM, 26 BRDM-2, 44 Panhard AML-60, 250 BTR-60, 150 BTR-80, 150 OT-64 SKOT, 55 Panhard M3, 100 Humvee, ≈100 BCL-M5, ≈30 MaxxPro MRAP, ≈2000 Mercedes G-Class, ≈1000 Mercedes Sprinter, ≈1000 Mercedes Unimog, ≈1000 Mercedes Axor, ≈500 Mercedes Zetros, ≈300 Mercedes Actros, ≈1000 SNVI M120, ≈1000 SNVI M230, ≈500 SNVI M350, ≈30 MTU-20, ≈30 IMR-2, ≈50 BREM-1, ≈10 M58 MICLIC, ≈10 Liebherr G-BKF, 54 PLZ-45, 140 2S1 Gvozdika, 30 2S3 Akatsiya, 160 D-30, 100 M-1931/37, 80 D-44, 60 M-30, 25 D-74, 20 ML-20, 18 WA-021, 10 M-46, 10 MT-12, 150 M-37 mortars, 120 120-PM-43 mortars, 60 M1943 160mm mortars, ≈200 W86 mortars, ≈50 SM-4, 48 Iskander-E launchers, 70 SR-5, 52 TOS-1A, 48 BM-21 Grad, 18 BM-30 Smerch, 16 brigades of S-400, 14 brigades of S-300PMU2, 10 brigades of S-350 Vityaz, 8 regiments of S-300, 108 Pantsir-S1/SM, 48 Buk-M2, 48 Tor-M2, 36 S-125 Neva, 20 Strela-1, ≈20 2K12 Kub, 225 ZSU-23-4 Shilka, 100 ZPU-2/4, 100 ZU-23-2, ≈500 Igla-S, ≈500 QW-2 SAEK, ≈500 Strela-2, 120 B-10, 60 B-11, 9000 AT-3 Sagger, 8000+ Kornet, 4490 Fagot-M, 500 Metis-M1, 100 HJ-12, ≈1000 MILAN, ≈1000 Skif, 5 Kasta 2E2, 4 DWL-002, ≈2 Orion 85V6, ≈2 Acacia-E, ≈2 CHL-906, 120 Black Hornet Nano, 24 Wing Loong II, 10 CH-4, 10 CH-3, 4 WJ-700, ≈4 Kronshtadt Orion, ≈10 El Djazair 54/55, ≈10 Sakr El Djazair 1, ≈10 ASN 209, ≈10 Al Fajer L-10, ≈5 Aures 700, ≈150000 AKM, ≈100000 AK-47, ≈50000 SKS, ≈2000 AK-103, ≈2000 Beretta ARX160, ≈2000 Beretta BM 59, ≈2000 HK G36, 150 M16A4, ≈2000 Steyr AUG, ≈20000 Caracal F, ≈2000 Beretta 92, ≈1000 Glock 17/18, ≈500 HK MP7, ≈2000 HK MP5, ≈1000 Beretta M12, ≈5000 CS/LS7, ≈5000 SVD Dragunov, ≈500 Zastava M93,2026 Western Europe get conquered in two weeks
>>65579247All I see is a mish-mash of stuff that needs foreign support to remain functional.I'm betting a significant number of what you've listed is barely to non-functional, with the rest having little to any spares or qualified technicians to maintain them.Most of that would be broken down or out of fuel in a week.
>>65579263>that needs foreign support to remain functionalNot really, most of that is produced or maintained locally.>I'm betting a significant number of what you've listed is barely to non-functionalWhy would this be the case? They were never used and are all in mint condition.>or out of fuel in a weekAlgeria is the a major fuel producer.
>>65578084Kek, Egypt has managed to resist both the soviet and American efforts to make their air force even slightly less retarded for almost 70 years.And while both countries have modern equipment, they have zero domestic capability of maintaining, let alone replacing it.The modern systems Algeria and Egypt have between them woudl absolutely take a toll on 1939 Europe (but less than you'd think because of how retarded they are), but they would be inevitably crushed by the combined power of vastly superior industrial economies.Kek, that fucking image includes the soviet union, just send them in first to soak up the modern munitions and then roll them up with the actual competent armies of the continent.
>>65579201>Now the counter-argument would be that South Africa would make nukes.Apartheid SA made nukes, that doesn't mean, at all, that post Apartheid SA can make themthey can't even manage the power and water infrastructure that Apartheid left them with.
>>65579247>has copy pasta down to the small arms ready>thinks that having ≈2000 Beretta 92 will make up for generations of inbreeding
>>65579280Egypt has like 5000+ defense companies producing weapons and ammunition locally and every single european industry would get reduced to ashes in the first day of that conflict 10,000+ Rafales, Su-57/35/34/30/27, Mig-29, J-10C, f-16, f-5, yak, helicopters, UAVs etc. in north africa
>>65578297>the flexing giganiggas on the top deckAlways good for a chuckle. God every third world nation is a hilarious embarrassment.
>>65579308You’re the kind of guy that would have believed Iraq was powerful in 2003 before we walked straight to Baghdad
>>65579402iraq in 2003 had a 2 billion USD PPP budget (mostly paying salaries)the budget of Algeria PPP adjusted is 150 billions currently
>>65579308damn I'm scared shitless bro. If they team up with Lithuania it's over us
>colonial empiresVs>Local powersIt is a matter of organization.
>algeria stronk>algeria will rape all of Europe!also>algeria has a series of long standing territorial and other disputes with morocco>morocco basically annexed western saharaanyone wage a guess what super duper stronk algeria did when morocco crossed it's red line?
>>65578085>modern fighter/bomber jets and such?That will matter in being able to sink WW2 ships with impunity until the ammo and fuel runs out. But the numbers available and sortie rate is limited.The answer changes based on if modern africa has satellite intel and how well they can keep it up. If they can keep spare parts, fuel and ammo it will be very difficult for europe.
>>65579440meme ranking, Algeria are ranked 13 and 19 here and they're both climbing into the top 10 at a rapid pace https://globalforceindex.com/national_rankinghttps://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/military-strength-index-by-country >>65579457Morocco in 1975 sent 350,000 civilians to annex it from Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_March Algeria only started to support the polisario in 1976 to piss off Morocco
>>65579480>meme ranking,it's their military spending lolhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expendituresmore objective than the shit you posted
>>65579488Egypt hide their military spending as their military own a good chunk of the economy >journalist Joshua Hammer reported that the armed forces may control up to 40% of the Egyptian economyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Armed_ForcesAlso it has to be PPP adjusted.
>>65579480so algeria didn't do anything when morocco crossed it's red linedespite being right next to them, having less military than Western Europe and not having the alliance network of Western Europe.nah algeria sat there on their little cuck chair being all super duper pooper stronk
>>65578761>North Africa would not have enough high tech gear to meaningfully stop them especially once the RN, MN, Kriegsmarine, and VMF put a chokehold blockade around the continentSo your plan is to send 1930s warships to blockade nations with modern submarines and jets?
>>65579504>as their military own a good chunk of the economywhat does this mean, own a chunk of the economy? How does one "own" an economy? Do business owners pay a share of their profits to generals or what?
>>65579247>>65579276The issue is that African countries have no ability to utilize numbers effectively and would be destroyed piecemeal by modern European armies with F35s.
>>65579247> ≈1000 Mercedes Unimogwow, goosebumps West is finished
>>65579510Spain and Europe got cucked by Morocco as it conquered the spanish owned western sahara. >so algeria didn't do anything when morocco crossed it's red lineits* and it was not a red line, the conflit did not start yet, it started after that.Algeria currently occupy half of the claimed moroccan land (most of eastern algeria and algerian sahara), after defeating Morocco in the sand war of 1963
>>65579514in military states (like Egypt, Pakistan etc.) the army own the economy by aquiring companies, they get big projects https://www.businessinsider.com/egypts-military-hijacking-its-economy-2016-3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Egyptian_Armed_Forces#Suez_Canal_expansion_projectBasically what the russian oligarchs are doing but instead it's the military. The closest thing to that in liberal democracies is what Trump is doing rn.
>>65578055no its not, in this scenario they form a proto eu state and unite
>>65578734People who mock America for losing in Vietnam do so because the writing was on the wall and yet the US refused to acknowledge it, you can't win a war when all you can do is conduct an air campaign and defensive actions on behalf of an ally who couldn't care less to fight.
>>65578055Germans have showed consistently as a unified state they sperg out and cause massive death and destruction. Augustus missed the opportunity for TGD
>>65579612most people who mock the us in vietnam think we invaded the south and werent invited
>>65579514High army officials basically control the military-industrial sector and its subcontractors. Through their connections, their companies also get dibs on other state contracts, which makes it sensible for other private companies to bribe them directly or seek business relations with their companies.
>>65579612That is absolutely not the reason for 90 percent of people you fucking retard
>>65579513nigeria has the biggest navy in africa and its one frigate and 100 gun boats and support ships. be real
>>65579638>nigeria has the biggest navy in africa??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_National_Navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_Egyptian_Navy Algeria is also now producing chinese corvetteshttps://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/algeria-locally-license-chinese-type056
>>65577986They would be building kamikazes within one year, be real.
>>65579638You are the exact kind of people that lead to retarded defeats by refusing to acknowledge your opponent's capabilities
>>65579637People also mock America because Nixon tried to "end" the war by expanding it into Laos and Cambodia, which coincidentally ended up causing the Khmer Rouge to win and thus initiate the Cambodian genocide.
>>65579676>Nixon tried to "end" the war by expanding it into Laos and Cambodia, which coincidentally ended up causing the Khmer Rouge to win and thus initiate the Cambodian genocide.That's a fucking reach and a half
>>65578084>the borderline military regency state in which army positions are pure nepobaby shit that does not reflect competency would beat 1939 europeNo.
>>65579673the algerIan and egyptian navies are made up of equipment from the 80s. 10 50 year old subs are not gonna suceed against 200+ 1945 subs. the african navies also have no ability to build new ships whilst europe would go into full war economy productIon. shipyard would be funded and built on every coast in europe
>>65579678While there's a lot of hearsay over American involvement in Cambodia's civil war, with allegations of direct funding or pushing for foreign governments like China to support the Khmer Rouge, the bombing campaign initiated by Nixon over Laos and Cambodia arguably helped more than hurt the Rouge.
>>65579687Factually wrong, most of the the equipement is from after the 2020s >10 50 year old subs are not gonna suceed against 200+ 1945 subsAlgeria: 6 Kilo submarines (4 Project 636.1: Messali el Hadj, Akram Pacha, El Ouarsenis, El Hoggar; 2 Project 877EKM: Rais Hadj Mubarek, El Hadj Slimane) with Klub-S missiles, 3 Koni, 2 MEKO A200AN, 3 Adhafer (C28A) frigates, 1 Type 056 corvette, 10 Super Lynx ASW helicopters + local production, TEST-71 torpedoes, 3 maritime patrol aircraft (type unspecified), ≈2 more Kilos or AIP submarines (reported, unconfirmed). Algerian National Navy +2Egypt: 4 Type 209/1400mod (S41-S44), 4 old Type 033 Romeo, 3 FREMM (Tahya Misr, Al-Galala, Bernees), 4 MEKO A200EN (+2 on order), 4 Perry, 2 Knox, 4 Gowind 2500, 2 Descubierta, 1 Pohang (Shabab Misr), 8 Hainan submarine chasers, 2 Poluchat-II torpedo retrievers, ≈6 Sea King Mk47, up to 28 SH-3 Sea King, 8 Beech 1900C, 10 SH-2G(E) Seasprite (up to 17). https://egyptiandefenseblog.wordpress.com/2021/12/04/egypt-unveils-domestic-naval-projects-at-edex2021/https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/algeria-locally-license-chinese-type056https://www.armyrecognition.com/archives/archives-naval-defense/naval-news-navy-2025/egypt-presents-usv-aio-001-unmanned-vessel-with-eagle-2-weapon-station-at-edex-2025 >shipyard would be funded and built on every coast in europeevery single factory in Europe will get reduced to ashes within the first day of the conflict with the african air force >the african navies also have no ability to build new shipshttps://egyptiandefenseblog.wordpress.com/2021/12/04/egypt-unveils-domestic-naval-projects-at-edex2021/https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/algeria-locally-license-chinese-type056https://www.armyrecognition.com/archives/archives-naval-defense/naval-news-navy-2025/egypt-presents-usv-aio-001-unmanned-vessel-with-eagle-2-weapon-station-at-edex-2025 https://defenceweb.co.za/sea/sea-sea/algeria-commissions-indigenous-corvette/
>>65578747Those who read get a job in another country that doesn't suck
>>65579718You're aware those militaries are staffed by low IQ thirdoids right? Like, they aren't smart enough to conduct that sort of operation.
>>65579725you don't need to be a genius to destroy 1939 material using advanced 2026 tech
>>65579718>every single factory in Europe will get reduced to ashes within the first day of the conflict with the african air forceit took the us 30 days of nonstop bombing in iraq with 2500 coalitIon aircraft to destroy theIr mic .africa has roughly 800 modern combat aircraft and you expect them to be able to control the skies over all of europe? what a joke, also where are they gettIng refined oil and who is replacing theIr munitions.dont forget that most of their pilots are arabs who are the most incompetent race at war and fighting. europe easily holds their own and captures downed jet fighters and reverse engineers their own jets within 3 years
>>65579276Absolute Bullshit on all of your "counterpoints".You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about outside of "teh googles".That shit is sitting around being "maintained" by lackadasical bronze age mutants who resort to using cooking oil for canopy polish "because it makes it shiny", and get liquored up drinking castor oil/alcohol based hydraulic fluids.They are not "making" anything related to that list of thrift shop knockoffs, they at best are assembling externally sourced components in an effort to save face, and what few components are actually of domestic manufacture are of such abysmal quality they are more threat to the end user than any possible enemy.
>>65579733>africa has roughly 800 modern combat aircraftNot true, pic related, with helicopters, UAVs, the old jets from 1955-1980, it's >3000 modern aircrafts not counting loitering munition or shaheds type one way drones that are being mass produced in morocco/algeria/egypt >europe easily holds their own and captures downed jet fighters and reverse engineers their own jets within 3 yearsEurope can't produce its own 5th gen in 2026 they'll capture an algerian su-57 or an egyptian j-35 and produce it with 1942 machinery, sure.
>>65579754i never said they would produce 5th gens and they dont need to. the uk and germany they already had designs for their jet fighters in 39, access to modern engines and munitions, not being held by resource shortages, and goring not holding back german jet production would make it pretty easy for them to get started.
>>65579738>they at best are assembling externally sourced componentsthis is factually wrong, the local integration rate is close to 100% on everything, as they are scared sanctions or embargo would fuck up their chances in a war
>>65579761whatever, the air force is not even needed, north africans can just freely invade by land whatever and reduce the population of Europe to zero in a matter of weeks this is not even a contest, this shit would end with few dozen casualities on the african side
>>65579767the europeans would win a ground war against modern north african states whilst maintaining 1:1000 casualty ratio. history has proven you guys cant fight competently on the ground, also good luck crossing the strait of Gibraltar without getting sent to the bottom of the ocean
>>65579718>every single factory in Europe will get reduced to ashes within the first day of the conflict with the african air forcehow do you expect the africans to conduct thousands of sorties against mainland europe with a limited/nonexistent air refueling capacity
>>65579782The power of Allah
>>65579777Algeria solo 2026 western europe in a ground war with minimal casualities Frankly any algerian region has more tank and advanced armor than the average european "power"
>>65579782Algeria will have to invariably carry that weight with their shockingly large tanker fleet, larger than many modern European militaries.
>>65578170typical nafrigo fuck your cousin, no one here cares about you or takes you seriously
>>65579782North africa has Il-78 tankers, the US is sending some KC-10 todayhttps://aviationweek.com/defense/multi-mission-aircraft/us-air-force-transfer-four-kc-10s-north-african-partner The CH-4, Orion, Wing Loong II etc. have enough range, no need for any air refueling of course some ships like the San Giorgio-class amphibious one can be used for this role somehow
>>65579800that wouldn't be remotely enough. there is reason the us is the only country able to pull off consistent long range sorties in the world and even we would struggle to pull it off and run into munition shortages very quickly
This Algerian guy has to be a troll, or this is the biggest brown cope I've seen in a while.
>>65579806The Su-34 has up to 8 000 km range, it can use dumb bombs against 1939 Europe. So can the long range UAVs. There is zero air defense. All industrial sites will get spotted by satellite. The navy will also be near european coast for refueling and support if needed.
>>65579762Bullshit, again you are just making shit up.
>>65579819>All industrial sites will get spotted by satellite.Nigger, I know you're trolling now.
>>65579826Why would I be trolling? Yo do know that Morocco, Algeria, Egypt operate advanced spy satellites, right? Mostly chinese and israeli ones
>>65579814Nafris can actually be that deluded.In any case feeding him more (you)s is retarded
>>65579842 >advanced spy satellitesLe Kek.
>>65579754All of those fighter jets are either American, European or Russian made. They will be lacking spare parts for most of it one week into the war
>>65579767>north africans can just freely invade by landah yes, the famous land bridge to england. well known invasion route, they should have built a wall. of course, they wouldn't be opposed at any of the countries they're at war with in the process. transversing the balkans is famously really easy and the alps? piece of piss for a mighty african kang.
Sub-Saharan African countries would be steam rolled - most of them fight jungle terrorists with AKs while using AKs. I doubt they can contend with human waves numbers of the Russians or blitzkrieg of the Germans. While the AK is a "future proofed" weapon, it's not much more advanced than what Europe had at the time.
>>65579888Morocco to acquire Israeli spy satellite worth $1 bln- mediaUnder the contract, IAI will supply the Ofek 13 spy satellite that will replace two Airbus and Thales satellites https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/morocco-acquire-israeli-spy-satellite-worth-1-bln-media-2024-07-10/Algeria renews its fleet of spy satellites with two new Chinese-made electronic eyesThe Alsat-3A and 3B have just been put into orbit with an interval of only 15 days between them from a space base in the Gobi Deserthttps://www.atalayar.com/en/articulo/new-technologies-innovation/algeria-renews-its-fleet-of-spy-satellites-with-two-new-chinese-made-electronic-eyes/20260202103501223004.htmlSAR + 50 cm resolutionAlgeria will also locally mass produce Starlinks-like satellite (using chinese Geely tech)https://managers.tn/2026/03/16/une-premiere-en-afrique-lalgerie-va-fabriquer-des-satellites-sur-son-sol/
>>65579917>to acquireLOL!It's all made elsewhere, and launched by foreign space agencies!You are the golden Lolcow!
>>65579929the U.S. needed russia to launch their shit until 2023 pipe down a bit How many countries make and launch their own high res sar spy satellites? 3 on 200+?
>>65579934AHAHAHA! Ohhh Boy, you're the gift that keeps on giving.SARRR WE NEED NASA NAOW FOR OUR DOMESTEC SPY SATEEELITE SYSTEEM WE INVENT OFF OF TEMU SARRR!
>>65579842very good saar algeria number 1 o algo
>>65579934>the U.S. needed russia to launch their shit until 2023 pipe down a bit??
>>65579954https://www.space.com/26551-us-military-launches-russian-rocket-engines.htmlhttps://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2015/12/dont-prolong-americas-dependence-russian-rockets/124209/ https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/space/why-does-u-s-use-russian-rockets-launch-its-satellites-n588526https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/22/why-does-the-usa-depend-on-russian-rockets-to-get-us-into-space
>>65578069sauce on the comic?
>>65579934The difference is my dear dune coon, the U.S. had, and still has a functional space programme.Africa has never had one.Means in the scenario OP offered, said sats do not exist, and you cannot just call up the Yanks or Russians for another flyover. (or for another bailout of critical parts).
>>65578802Reminds me of Turtledove's Worldwar series. Aliens invade Earth in 1942 and soon run low or out of missiles, manpower and tanks. It also brings up the question, where is this scuffle at? Do we call it a wash due to european disadvantages in african climate and african disadvantages in european climate?
>>65577986>20th century EvroCHADS: Throw themselves head-first into machineguns and artillery for literal years for near-zero material gain, like a boss>21st century north africvcks(the niggers of the arab world): drop their weapons and flee at the first sight of danger despite having superior weaponryIs this even a question?
>>65580030meanwhile in the real worldhttps://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirailleurs_alg%C3%A9riens>During the First World War, their acts of bravery earned them the highest distinctions. They received more than 20 % of the highest awards bestowed (flags decorated with the Legion of Honour or the Military Medal and red lanyards in the colours of the Legion of Honour), even though their combat strength at the end of the war represented only 2 % of the total number of combatants
>>65579247How the fuck does Algeria have all this? How did they pay for it?
>>65580039war time military spendings during peace time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures#By_share_of_GDP
Perun did a pretty good video on Algeria (and Morocco) but for some reason this board treats him like the Antichrist.
>>65580038Why was Algeria a French colony and not vice versa?
>>65580023You can't have your mystical time warp, and keep the orbitals. Thems the rules, pajeet.
>>65580039A lot of it is likely rusted junk.You either pickle and preserve, or have a metric fuckton of very highly trained mechanics constantly doing CC and PM on the things to keep them functional.I'm betting they are doing neither, and the stuff is sitting in the weather, decaying.
>>65580069Because France had 35 millions people to throw at a state that had less than 2 millions? They could sustain 480,000 death in the conquest and mobilized 1 million men. Why were 2 millions europeans enslaved in Algiers in 1500-1815? Why were all European states tributarian to Algiers? Why did Iberia, southern france, southern italy (>10m pop) got conquered for centuries by few thousands north africans?
>>65580054that's still lower than Netherlands
>>65580082Because doing slave raids on coastal villages is easier than fighting a real war? I dunno
>>65580083PPP adjusted it's >120-140 billions according to PerunLook at what Iran is doing with 9 billions budget, Turkey spent 15 billions/year in 2022, 2023, 2024, look at the size of their industry, army etc.
>>65580082If couple thousand africans could conquer >10mil pop areas why couldn't 2 million africans defend against France? Are they stupid? (no need to answer that)
>>65580091every battle between europe and north africa pre-19th is so one sided it's ridiculous, like 90% win rate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Algeria#Regency_of_Algiers_(1515%E2%80%931830) A tiny sample from the 16th, pic related.
>>65580095on paper, sure. Russia also has large army on paper. Practice is something else.
>>65580039Both they and Egypt are fine with spending outsized amounts of money on the military, and the money they spend goes further. They also probably skimp out on some maintenance compared to wectoids but I haven't heard of any serious maint problems in algeria so I'd assume (without actually knowing) that they're at least better at it than russians.
>>65580102what was their win rate during 19th century?
>>65580038Oh were at the hand picking wikipedia articles stage of cope already? Have at you ,saar.
Allah must have been busy jerking off in the kinder garden that day
>>65580105>>65580101>le relevant for 2 centuries faceEuropean got conquered, ruled and enslaved by ottomans turks, arabs, avars, phoenicians, Khazars, mongols, tatars, Pechenegs and Cumans, Magyars, berbers, all kind of iranians, huns, stfu the 15 millions of negroid and millions of european slaves literally replaced the maternal genoma of most of MENAit's like russians bragging about conquering crimea after >15 millions slavs got enslaved by few thousands ottomans and turkic raiderseat my dick
>>65580115you're playing a game you can't win
>65580118Uh oh, zigger meltie!
>>65580121you couldn't win much of things either
>>65580123480,000 french died for 500k algerian, it's a decent trade off
>>65580125didn't you say there were 35 million of them to yours 2?
>>65580133doesnt matter, the population grew from 2m to 4m to 10m to now 60m 500k dead over 45 years is just 11k death a year, largely irrelevant >>65580128ottoman incompetence
>>65580149I've never seen someone being so nonchalant about losing 1/3 of their population. I guess this attitude will come in handy when you will f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ lose a war against Morocco
65578084Algeria and Egypt would be under a sea blockade within days, and famine would set in within months. because they cant controle all of the med. germans alnone sank 3ooo ships... Operational artition would quickly render much of their equipment useless. Stockpiles of AA weapons would be exhausted by V1 spam. Approximately 30,000 V1 flying bombs and 6,000 V2s were built....WW2 saw millions die, and a suicidal raid on the Aswan Dam would be a target within days. A united WW2 would be working on the nuclear bomb, and time would be ticking.
>>65579247>barely functional hand me downs >a bunch of civilian carsKek you can't be serious.
>>65579718Those other guys are on the right track, dude. Arabs and Nogs simply can't do warfare. They have no collective identity, be it nationalism or otherwise, their enemy lives in the mirror and they spend all of their time and energy policing and oppressing other people who look like themselves. Its not a matter of technology or even competence, their inevitable loss is baked into their very culture, and the only way they could ever win against European powers is if they ceased to be Arabic or Nogular and turned into white people, at which point it would just be another Euro-v-Euro brother war. There's no realistic scenario where they ever win as it is. The problem is that they're Arabs and Nogs. Until they cease to be Arabs and Nogs, the problem persists. Simple as.
>>65578207How much of that inventory is actually functional? What's the ready rate on their stores? Do they properly maintain their equipment? We've seen Russia schloking out T-54's and T-62's after 3 years into the war. Now imagine being essentially cut off from any major supplier of fuel or ammunition. Algeria at most will have several months to a year's worth of gas before just collapsing in on itself. If they got Final Countdown'd to 1939. Then the U.S. controlled 90% of the world's oil supply. At which point, Europe would wear them down.
>>65580162atrition is a large part. they dont produce cars or transformers or many other industrial goods. meanwhile Gruppe Monsun is raiding your merchant marine vessels because you cant project force at the °70. Fuck the germ were laying mines at australias coast.
>>65580156>so nonchalant about losing 1/3 of their population90% of thoses "losses" are in the 1868-1870 peace period and due to emigration, earthquakes, epidemics, famine etc. Morocco went from 9.5m to 3m at the same time period because it wasn't a french colony and did not receive food support like Algeria got.
People on X are fucking retarded, they talk about muh logistics (I love how that quote is used by braindead mfs all the time to justify the dumbes takes), ww2 germany was heavily dependent on horse drawn logistics, we didn't have entirely reliable engines and suspensions for vehicles and you are going up against cold war era tech
>>65580209ok its not just germany vs africa retard and the german economy was built on autotarky and not cooperating with the rest of europe
>>65580209germany produced 10-20,000 aircraft a year during ww2, they relied on horses because being reliant on motorization whilst having fuel shortages is fucking retarded
>>65580218the rest of Europe without the US is not that much better, holy fuck ww2 had armor that can be neutralized by anti-material rifles
>>65580221you're really gonna keep going with this wunderwaffen wehraboo tier larp huh? i guess algerian and Egyptian tanks are impervious to artillery as well right
Breaking news released an hour ago:>Russia Offers Algeria Joint Technology Development as Moscow–Africa Summit Nears>Russian officials are pitching a partnership that goes beyond finished-product sales, proposing technology localisation, joint development and specialist training across cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, digital infrastructure and energy ahead of the third Russia–Africa Summit in Moscow on 28–29 October.https://www.dzair-tube.dz/en/russia-offers-algeria-joint-technology-development-as-moscow-africa-summit-nears/ you fags did it, the algerian authorities read those threads and they're now building a military industry
>>65580245Look up the range of cold war/modern artillery pieces and compare to ww2, if we compare the pillars of fire support, operational mobility, logistics and airpower, modern africa has a massive overmatch on all areas, this is a joke.
>>65580253he's also ignoring fpv drones, loitering munition, helicopters etc.any 1939 armor would get destroyed 50-100km away from the battlefield
>>65577986Sure Africa today would be disjointed, but most weapons are going to either be NATO standard or Soviet/Russian stock. Overall the performance isn't too greatly different.But what kind of hell would a "unified" WW2-era European military look like? British tanks, German planes, French small arms, Soviet build quality, Italian
algerians are so superior in everything compared to everyone, that half of them live on French social security and the other half of them live off of petty crime.just like a turkish nationalists most dearly held dream is getting to move to germany so to does the algerian nationalist dream of nothing more or less than to be stuck in a 1960 apartment block that reeks of piss in Marseilles. the dream of every algerian, getting to fuck off to somewhere that isn't algeria but that's besides the point.the reason why 1939 Europe would win against 2026 Africa isn't the hardware but the software.the traits that made Western militaries dominant the last 200years are still there and like wise the traits that make arab and african armies suck ass the last 200 year are also still here.the africans just keep repeating whatever their soviet instructors told them to do and nothing else.the Europeans will adapt to it figure out how to counter it and innovate.the gap between 1939 isn't so great that you can't defeat modern equipment. but the mentality gap between a Modern era Western army and arab/african one stuck in tribal fuckery is one you can't just overcome even with all the bling in the world
>>65580362North african armies (Egypt, Morocco etc.) are NATO trained and constantly train with the US, France etc.
>>65580430And you think this makes them as good as NATO soldiers?
>>65578222Comparison is specifically about military forces. You're point is about as valid is saying that 1939 Europe would be cut off from its industrial base and run out of food, fuel, and water within days.
>>65580530lmao
>>65580559Either it's a white room debate or the topic is expanded to the point that we have to break down time travel rules before we can even begin to have a discussion.
>>65580169>How much of that inventory is actually functional? Betting only the newest 40%. The rest, maybe 10%, and that will be maintained by cannibalization of the Hangar queens/ Park babies.The Algie monkey has literally no idea how this shit works or how it's kept up, and is just vomiting Wiki nonsense.
at this very moment they have tactical drones doing air to air combat in africa, also they have FPV drones being used. 2026 Africa would defeat 2026 Europe
>>65578279They also arent killing eachother though. Unless africa can bomb europe the way euros did in ww2 the economy and tech will be better than ww2, not equivalent, and even if europe cant bomb africa immediately they still have parts degrading that they cant replace
>>65580530The stated question is continent v continent. Each continent gets everything physically on it, and no outside help. Otherwise 1939 europe would just ask 2026 europe for the tech and it becomes a modern conflict
>>65579977The Desert Peach, by Donna Barr
>>65580253>>65580263And Africa has the coordination to use these concepts?
>>65581070Yes? Even a number of non-state actors in Africa are capable of doing strikes like that. They're all worse troops than Western ones, excepting maybe some more elite units, often significantly so, but they're not literally incapable of plotting an artillery strike.
>>65580253enough with the airpower we have already demonstrated how the africans dont have the logistic chain to support major sustained operations. the europeans have a 100-1 advantage in sheer number of artillery pieces in 1939 and it would increase every year, of the north african nations egypt is the only one having sustained shell production with south africa also producing some shells. they wouldnt stand a fucking chance
>>65580789you mean the fpv drones imported from russia and china?
>>65581100>, but they're not literally incapable of plotting an artillery strike.thats debatable for the subsarahan nations
>>65577986I hope it's only one kid in here who thinks 1939 industry can compare to 2026 tech. I wouldn't mind seeing some reverse engineered F-16s running with vacuum tubes though.
>>65580149Yeah lets not play the game of handpicked Ottoman victories against Russia where each one the Ottomans had allies to rely on like Crimea. The Ottomans vastly lost the Russo-Turkish wars, and it led to their downfall.
>>65581129The funny thing with this thread's ideas of reverse engineering jets is that anything without long range radar and guided missiles is only marginally more dangerous than a biplane against a modern 4th gen loaded up with missiles. Even Korean war era cannon based jets or Vietnam jets with early heatseakers and radar guided missiles can only manage to deter modern jets from using their guns, with basically every modern A2A missile outranging everything from that era on top of modern jets having superior kinetic performance in most ways plus advanced countermeasures and electronic warfare. Reverse engineering aircraft is a waste of time in this scenario.
>>65580430thank you for making my point for meI said that 1939 Europe would win because it has the traits that made it globaly dominant. africa doesn't, it simply copies whatever it's been thought by others. being thought by the West doesn't change that.
>>65581100Can you cite 5 units and times they have used these concepts and devices successfully? Not that it matters, they can't kill 10 million europeans, destroy 50,000 tanks or shoot down 5,000 aircraft with the arsenal at their command. Once they fire off their very limited stock of modern weapons they are helpless.
>>65581164These 4th gen aircraft they...remain airborne indefinitely? These pilots...do they not require sleep? Extraordinary!
>>65581192An interwar era biplane is perfectly capable of bombing pilots barracks and strafing aircraft on the ground. Trading that in for a primitive jet aircraft that loses just as hard in the air gets you basically nothing.
>>65580263Do they have any meaningful numbers of these In Service today ?Are they domestic or imported? Do they have the ability and force projection to keep shipping open? >>65580530Does Africa have carriers or air refueling so they could air raids? Ciro to London is like 3500km one way. I'm not sure anyone on there has classical bomb trucks (and thus large stock of free fall bombs) a mig 29 doing 4 refuelings on the way doesn't seem viable for a bombing campaign... Sure ww2 Eurobomber have like at best only 3-5k range themselves but yeah you get the point.
>>65581216>trading a 1939 aircraft for a 4th gen fighter is not a good trade!...what?
>>65581221Late 1930s europe is not reverse engineering and producing a 4th gen within a few years of acquiring something like a wrecked F16, which is what would be required to make a jet aircraft that is actually useful against modern multiroles.Which is why posts like this >>65579733 that say shit like:>europe easily holds their own and captures downed jet fighters and reverse engineers their own jets within 3 yearsare vastly underestimating the technology gap in the air, because jet engines are unironically one of the least dangerous features of a modern fighter that the 1930s wouldn't be able to replicate. The thing that makes modern aircraft truly scary is their effective engagement range and their sensors, and that shit takes decades of developing digital electronics which Europe would have no hope of accomplishing before the war was won or lost.
>>65580123>>65580125
>>65577986Can modern day sub-saharan Africans even cross the desert without outside help?
If the thread ended up like this, I wonder how much /k/ would freak out over 1910 USA vs. 2026 Africa, both in isolation from the rest of the world.>THE GREAT WHITE FLEET WILL TAKE 'EM ON
>>65581296>2026 Africa>completely isolatedbefore the USA crosses the atlantic with a combat ready fleet africa has starved
>>65579633south vietnam was a dictatorship
>>65581296>both in isolation from the rest of the world1910 USA was largely self-sufficient for critical goods.2026 Africa is not even halfway self sufficient in food. 1910 USA would just need to sit tight, and probably bribe starving african country or two with food to take over the rest.
Reddit found the poll and is currently malding that their favorite pet negros arent at 100%https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldcirclejerk/s/fYc2iyn51K
>>65578084>Algeria + Egypt can easily take down 2000 Europe, alone alone 1939 oneYou're delusional, Jamal.1939 Europe would steamroll 2026 Africa easily, simply because 1939 Europe had 2 standard deviations higher average IQ, even without the Soviets. Also, remember that Europe was only 7 years from the nuclear bomb at that point, in case of an existential war against Africa it would've built its first nukes within 2-3 years, 5 at max. 2026 Europe sucks btw, and it would've probably lost a conventional war to 2026 Africa, that is, if no British and French nukes are involved.
>>65578133All 2 of them?
So how long until the Europeans come to the same conclusion as the IJN and start building kamikazes?I know the krauts were seriously considering it near the end of WWII.
Africa is so huge that the different regions won't care about what doesn't affect them, and Europeans then hate each other and wouldn't put aside those differences.On some kind of neutral battlefield, even the oldest African crap is still something that would be technologically impressive in WW2, so that gives an initial edge to Africa. But then any captured examples of vehicles/weapons will just be evaluated/reproduced by the nation(s) that actually created them a few years after WW2 in the first place. The more modern stuff possessed by Africa can't be fully produced by either side. So it all kind of ends up being equalized. Which means nothing because there's no actual scenario or win-condition presented. It's just some brilliant trolling because it's going to piss off everyone in some way.
>>65581630Hitler wouldn't sign off on explicitly suicidal weapons. Even manned V-1s or other wacky bullshit did intend for the pilot to bail out before impact.
>>65577986Because sub-Saharan African countries basically don't have militaries, with a few exceptions like Rwanda. What they have are more closely described as ad hoc militias whose job is to enforce the semi-feudal patronage network that most African nations operate under. They are almost universally poor which means no a dearth of modern equipment; some can't even afford standard uniforms. Botswana is one of the generally better governed and more prosperous nations all things considered and yet even they still use sten guns. To the extent they have modern equipment they cannot afford maintenance or training to operate and upkeep them. Basically none of the militaries have real world experience either.Perhaps more importantly is that they don't have the culture to have large effective standing armies. Africans are very, very tribal by nature, that's just how their cultures work. You either mix up units, in which case someone who in theory is expected to fight and die by your side will throw you over a grenade to save themselves, or you segregate units in which case you run the risk of calling for backup on the radio and... it just doesn't turn up. Longstanding military traditions also do not exist, what little there are act as cargo cult holdovers from the days of colonisation in which European military traditions were transplanted.North Africa is similar in a lot of ways, though they have a fetish for using their oil money to buy wunderwaffens but lack the training and cohesion to be an active threat.
>>65580013UM, EXCUSE ME SAAAARAFRICA HAS INDEED HAD A SPACE PROGRAM BEFORE YOU RACIST CUNThttps://youtu.be/M9Do3dz9TR0
>>65581656Stalin would.
>>65580209Because of fuel shortages. They didn't have enough fuel for more vehicles even though they had the production capability to make more vehicles. United 1939 Europe means they have all the Soviet oil they need.
>>65580123>1 of 3 millionWhy do they never finish what they started?
>>65579201Does United Europe even need nukes? Look up the chemical weapons stockpiles in 1939...
>>65581565>reddit>OP is some skubenjoyer, OP is a fag for nigger cockthe jokes really do write themselves
>>65580073>You can't have your mystical time warp, and keep the orbitals.Nah, let them keep them. I want von Braun and the gang building ASATs
>>65577986The sheer amount of materiel and organized manpower 1939 Europe could bring to bear in all out war would quickly overwhelm ragtag thirdie militia "armies" and their limited stocks of modern equipment.
>>65581683>YOU RACISTYes, Very. >CUNTNah, I'm a Dick.
The brown meltdown ITT is comedy gold. Redditniggers also seething is just icing on the cake.
>>65578084Go be Algerian somewhere else.
>>65578746Fairly good on that point, they bombed a lot of shit absolutely flat. Vietnam doesn't work because they don't want to progress too far north and agitate the Chinks to OOK OOK NOOK, and the reason Afghanistan doesn't work is because you can't make a loose menagerie of inbred arab tribes build some sort of western style nation, even if you spend 20 years doing it.I would not expect the Algerians or Egyptians to perform as well as the Americans did in either bombing nor ground combat.
>>65578132I don't think you comprehend how poor African militaries actually are.
>>65577986Africa would have to rally all its strike assets fast and hopefully shock and awe Europe into believing the tech gap is so insurmountable they can't do anything. If Europe puts up any kind of resistance, it's over. Africa's total magazine depth of missiles absolutely does not outnumber the amount of bodies 1939 Europe has to fling at it. Another major issue is that Africa has little ability to replace anything it uses unlike '39 Europe. Tech gap can only get you so far without an industrial base to support it
>>65578746Vietnam had a top of the line air defense network for their time, it's why we had to develop SEAD in the first place. No Vietnam wasn't a bunch of rice farmers and I hate that fucking meme because it severely undercuts what Vietnam was able to do and credits it all to the fucking VC who were about as useful to their war as the minutemen were to our revolution (look up what Washington thought of them)
This depends on a few factorsLogistically I dont think europe could penetrate africa with modern rocketry small arms it would be impossible to advanceDefensively they have a decent shot, unless africa is allowed to import computer chips and produce drones. If africa can get drone production going europe will get BLACKED
>>65581296/k/ is at least half brown and third-world so it would be even more than 22%.
>>65581683>EXCUSE ME SAAAARThere must be someone you confused me for
>>65578015SPBP. Africans have a very bad record against peoples outside their continent, not only Europeans, but Asians and Americans as well.The only Africans worth a shit in warfare are the Ethiopians, who managed to BTFO the Italians and even Brits and French were cautious of them. Give them the command of the African armies and only maybe they could have a chance.
>>65583380A lot of that is Ethiopia's geography. It's defensible as fuck.They do sometimes seem to have their shit screwed together better than other SSA though I'll give you that.
>>65577986They have Metal Gear
>>65583065Unironically, the NVA don't get the credit they're due.
>>65577986Because of ni****s
>>65583065>Vietnam had a top of the line air defense network for their timeAnd yet the majority of American aircraft kills were achieved with ground fire
>>65583065>>65583509To make a modern comparison, it's sort of like if the cultural memory of the Russo-Ukrainian War ended up being that the AFU really did dissolve in the first week and then all of the fighting was done and losses inflicted by rando farmers towing away tanks.
>>65577986Technology is nice, but loigstics and industry win wars. Africa isn't even sufficient, without foreign exports they would starve and without weapon trades they couldn't military. Sure, Europe would take a decade or so to prepare for an invasion, but Africa cannot invade in that meantime, nor significantly hurt their industries. And even if European tanks and jets are a generation or 2 behind, the sheer disparity in industry, manpower (again, most of Africa would starve and even without famines no African country can mobilise its country for total war) and tactical prowess make this a stomp for Europe.People forget, but just because 2states have the same technology doesn't mean they are equal. Most Third World Nations are not capable of actually conducting modern warfare, they use their jets for an occasional air strike and forget that tanks are a force multiplier, no an independent arm of the army, hence why not just African, but also Third World militaries in general lose to Rebels in sandals riding Toyotas. And before someone mentions the U.S. losing Vietnam and Afghanistan, the U.S. didn't lose any open engangement against the rebel and only lost because the shithole goverments they were protecting were unable to stand alone.
>>65578105Lol
>>65583616>the majority of American aircraft kills were achieved with ground fireAs expected of a top of the line air defense network yeah.
>>65584483Machine guns, ZSUs, and flak guns aren't really indicative of "top of the line". SAMs counted for only about 7% of shootdowns
>>655780841939 Europe could take down 2000 Europe.
>>65583616Because the SAMs forced them down low.And even then a lot of that tally is egregious chopper feeding
1939 Europe controls all of Africa except Ethiopia so they'd win.
>>65577986A country not worth defending won't have serious defence forces.
>>65584711Okay now check how many of those downed aircraft were helicopters and think about whether that outcome makes sense, or not.
1939 Europe saw the writing on the wall and was heavily armed, and heavily capable.2026 Africa was, still is, and will always be, filled with retarded niggers who could never mount a meaningful offense.
>>65585316Wrong. Italy conquered Ethiopia in 1936. Liberia is the only free country.
>>65585458>Wrong. Italy conquered Ethiopia in 1936.Only partially, and for like 5 years. Italy never managed to occupy the whole thing.>Liberia is the only free country.Liberia was an American colony.
>>65581228A unified 1939 Europe that had access to a mainly intact crashed F-16 would have the equivalent of Sabres and MiG15/19s in less than 4 years.
We need to start torturing all reddiniggers frfr
>>65577986African militaries are overrated.
