If 38 Special is good enough to kill John Lennon, why isn't it good enough to be your EDC caliber?
>>65587847John Lennon lives!
>>65587847People are now fatter than John Lennon was at his death.
British "man" comes to USA, immediately INTS. many such cases. Sad!
That's truly retarded logic. That said I personally think .38 is fine. Just don't use that kind of logic
>>65587847>If 38 Special is good enough to kill John Lennon, why isn't it good enough to be your EDC caliber?It's a fine EDC caliber but you could also have a pocket pistol with almost twice as many rounds in it.If someone isn't neutralized after pumping 6 rounds of .38 special into them, not much else is going to help though.
>>65587847I'd be pretty happy with a 6 shot .38 with a 2.5" barrel on it, not my dream carry gun, but it'd do quite fine. Unfortunately I'm in a very gay euro country, so no carry for me.>>65587992Fat isn't that meaningful for hindering penetration AFAIK, but also we have better .38 Special ammunition now than we did back then.
>>65587847It is my EDC caliber.
>>65587992.38 +p
>>65588102.38 Special +P, and topped with either a hardcast SWC or Lehigh Penetrator. Bam, not even Fat Albert would stop that.
>>65588090>>65588102>>65588104It's all fun and games until you piss off the local butch feminist and 450+ pounds are rolling downhill towards you at 25+ mph.
>>65587847Because John Lennon was an emaciated docile dope head who had absolutely no muscle mass from years of a vegan diet and copious amounts of drugs. Pretty sure he would have died to a solid punch. I don't trust a .38 special to take down a raging 200 pound ex con ooga booga charging at me full chimp out. That's like saying "My grand dad killed an armadillo with a .17 hmr back in the 80s. Why don't you use it for wild boar defense?" You can go become a loot drop for the nearest nigger if you'd like, but I'll stay behind the comfort of my .357 magnum, thanks.
>>65587847This little iron does not make my peepee into the big peepee.
>>65588088>implying the most likely threat is a single attacker>not a whole pack of niggers
>>65587847Anon, 38 spl is my EDC caliber. s&w 442 at my 1 o'clock.
>>65589445>implying the pack of negroes isn't going to scatter as soon as shots start flying
>>65587847https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shootingA .38 snub is perfectly fine for self defense
>>65589445I don't live in Gary, so I feel the odds of that happening is fairly low.
>>65589609>I don't live in GaryYet. Niggerdom is spreading like malignant black mold.
>>65589847Then I'll just have to opne carry a pair of single-action .44s/.45s on my belt, then.
>>65588102>+P>brings it all the way up to standard.380 levelIt’s a shitty, expensive cartridge. Only way I’d carry it is with crazy, hot, 1000ft per sec Underwood wad-cutters.
my dad made me sell my pistol for 220 dollers at mr money even though i moved out of my perints house into my own place maybe if i get my drivers lysins i can buy it back
>>65589945.38 Special +P is above 9mm Parabellum +P
>>65590033It's not even fucking close.
>>655900339mm standard pressure is at 35,000psi9mm +P is up to 38,500psi38sp standard pressure is at 17,000psi38sp +P is up to 20,000psiAverage 380acp is at 21,500psi38sp is a shitty, expensive cartridge…
>>65590066We don't compare race cars by horsepower alone. Post some ballistics figures if you don't want others to see you as a disingenuous retard
>>65587847the truth about pistol caliber is it doesn't make a huge difference. A hole is a hole is a hole. Immediate incapacitation has way more to do with shot placement. A pistol is not a rifle. You have to step the velocity and mass way up above what anyone will ever want a pistol to be before it makes a significant difference.
>>65590068A disingenuous moron sez shit like>.38sp +P is ABOVE 9mm +PAbove? In the pecking order of your mind?
>>65590084No, it's just that posting chamber PSI as "proof" of power is idiotic. The fact you chose chamber PSI instead of MV is telling. You're all shitpost, no substance, mommy's special boy
>>65590084Also, I'm not that anon
>>65590086Even by muzzle velocity the 9mm stomps all over .38. Across the board 9mm will fire the same bullets faster. It does this without even +P loadings.My current 9mm load is 158 grain revolver bullets at 1,050 fps. Something that .38 +P has trouble doing.
>>65587847Reading Catcher In The Rye beforehand gives you +200% damage with a .38
>>65590086Why do think all the snubbies keep trying 327 mag, 32H&R, anything other 38sp? Because it’s awful.Except the reality of the situation and get a 357 mag or be exotic and run a 9mm revolver. You sound like you watch a lot of Gun Sam on YouTube…
>>65590066.25ACP has higher chamber pressure than .45ACP
>>65590066peak chamber pressure is a retarded metric to compare cartridges.
>>65590107First off who is gun sam? Secondly, I took issue with anon's method of showing proof, not took issue with the reality that .38 is technically outmatched. Because by his logic (PSI chamber pressure), you would come to the conclusion that 5.56 is almost as powerful as .30-06, which is absolutely absurd
>>65590086+P 9mm claps +p .38 spc in terms of MV/ME. Only way around this is by actually being disingenuous and trying to bring up bubbas pissing hot .38(aka .38/44) or some such.
>>65590124If only you'd read a couple posts further down beforehand, you'd have saved some effort
>>6559010738 Special even in standard pressures matches 32 H&R. 327 and 32 H&R are absolute meme cartridges that are outsold easily 10:1 and likely more.
>>65590133That makes me hate Lennon even more, even in death he had to go down as a pretentious retarded twat
>>65590146>Missing the joke this hard
>>65590160Fuck, I pulled a Karen:>read til I got angry>stopped reading >started reacting Thanks for pointing that out. Been on edge really bad lately
>>65590218It's alright, seems like everyone is a bit more peevish than usual. Probably has something to do with the midterms
>>65588213Buffalo Bore makes a 158gr +P LSWCHP (FBI/Dallas/Chicago load etc.) that approaches .357 ballistics from a short barrel. I wouldn't want to get shot with it.
>>65587847I think .32 s&w long is underrated, personally
>>65589445Bernie Goetz didn't have a problem>>65589343Your peepee is dumb and has bad taste.
>>65590066>.25 ACP chamber pressure is 25,000 PSI>.45 ACP chamber pressure is 21,000 PSI
>>65587847Because he's already dead.I could shoot him with a .44 magnum; it wouldn't make any difference.
>>65590306Based retard
>Chapman gets parole repeatedly denied because>repeat offenders get out before serving their sentance becauseThere is no justice.
>>65590317Correct. There's just us.>And (((them.)))
>>65590308Hey, if you can't make fun of a guy who thought Yoko Ono was hot enough to pose nude with on his album cover...
>>65590359I 'member someone making the point beta males love John Lennon because he got to live the ultimate beta fantasy. Marrying his mother.
I make sure to run +P so that when I shoot a pretentious musician, he'll definitely die.
>>65589445>not a whole pack of niggersThat's what the speedloader is for.
>>65590100>My current 9mm load is 158 grain revolver bullets at 1,050 fps. I'm in the market for an LCR. How do those perform out of a snub nose compared to Hornady FTX .38+p?>>65590106My wife once ordered a few used books online from one vendor. They threw in a free copy of Catcher in the Rye. I refuse to read it.>Not today CIA
cuz the gun industry is made of evil wizards that have been lying to you for decades >capacity >ergos>split times >sight picture simply point yo turdy ate at any foo who deserves it and pull
>>65590714Unironically has anyone actually read catcher in the rye? I had to read it in high school or something and I have no fucking idea what part of this book has to do with assassinating people
>>65590800Yes, it's a good book. I've owned it since I was 16.No part of the book can be construed as instructions to kill or a call to violence. The guy who shot John Lennon was simply a severely mentally ill retard
>>65587847Because .357 magnum exists.
>>65590817Remember Holden's attitude towards his older brother? Supposedly Chapman viewed Lennon similarly.
>>65590831Yes, I remember. That's still totally meaningless when only 1 (severely mentally ill) individual ever got the "message."
>>65590841Agreed, its reputation is undeserved.
>>65590841It wasn't just Chapman. >Another copy of the book was found in the hotel room of Ronald Reagans’ almost assassin. A lonely mid-twenty, John Hinckley Jr. whoo was said to be obsessed with the book and John Lennon. He believed that without Lennon, the world was “over“. >Actress Rebecca Schaeffer was shot by Robert John Bardo at her apartment home in Los Angeles in 1989. >The Catcher in the Rye was in his possession when he killed her. But, he tossed the book onto the roof of another building a few blocks away.>The infamous Lee Harvey Oswald, the man charged with JFK’s murder also had connections to his book. In a raid of his Dallas apartment following the assassination, Catcher in the Rye along with books like George Orwell’s Animal Farm and Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf were found. >There is a line in chapter 21 of the J.D. Salinger book that could plainly be pointing to the use of hypnotization and mind control. It reads:>"It’s funny. All you have to do is say something nobody understands and they’ll dopractically anything you want them to.”>JD Salinger was Army Intelligence
>>65590887This shit reads like a tiktok wine mom defending Lindsey Clancy
>>65590890Bad writing aside, it's true. Would you prefer the ai slop overview?
>>65587847What is it with famous killers from New York and fucking charter arms revolvers?
>>65589445Yes and?
>>65590898It's not even the writing, it's just that it's honestly pathetic how desperate you are for that nonsense to be true. We're done here, good night.
>>65590901Bullet baton lol
>>65589445>packIt's called a Congress, you retard.Like a group of mokeys is called a congress.
>>65590900Charter Arms are cheap.
>>65587847I might have to defend myself from John Lennon's reanimated corpse and .38 might have put him down once but that doesn't mean it will put him down twice.
>>65590887>He believed that without Lennon, the world was “over“.Good grief.
>>65591442Aim for the brain.>>65590890Surprise, retarded conjecture and schizo bullshit is timeless.
>>65590898What's true? That a bunch of retard killers were taken by a popular book? Sure, but schizos and idiots are great at interpreting all sorts of deranged nonsense from art and entertainment, that's what makes them schizos and idiots.Sane and non-retarded people don't get that effect from Catcher In The Rye because their brains aren't defective (which is why sane people go to read it and are then confused by why there wasn't anything actually sinister, as reputed), so what you're looking at is typical brain defects reading weirdly into a popular book, with the added memetic effect of prior defectives having already done it because it's a popular work.None of this says anything about the works in question, because these are the same kind of people who for instance reason that they are going to be reincarnated as a ghost with titties for killing people, or that a blue cartoon dog (or their neighbor's real dog) instructed them to.Anything else is nothing but the kind of gay larp you typically see in the retarded end of 'True Crime' fandom, where people think it'd be cooler if there was something more at play than arbitrary and insipid noise from demented minds.tl;dr you're gay and stupid, yet not just gay and stupid, but dare I say very cringe
>>65590301To my shame, I must admit you are correct. That's why I fuck your mom.
>>65589445Statistically and presentable never occurs. I have never seen one scrap off security came footage where someone gets ganged up on and hes forced to shoot multiple of them. I don’t I’ve ever even seen blacks gang up on a guy with a gun at all. It just doesn’t happen.
>>65587847The worst part was that he didnt kill yoko ono.
>>65590714Use 148 grain target load wadcutters out of an LCR.Yes, really. Consistent 12-18" penetration and don't need to worry about expansion with the short barrel.
>>65590901A thrilldo
>>65587847It may be good for a Lennon or two but American Street apes are made of tougher stock
>>65591725Bro, they git got with single shots of .38 Special, 9mm Luger, and .380 Auto, ALL THE TIME.
>>65591672This is the smart way to snubby but most people on /k/ are too retarded to accept it
>>65592007Or you could use SWCs.
>>65592018SWC hollowpoints won't expand out of a snubbie. This is confirmed by the Lucky Gunner test data.Haven't seen ballstics gel testing of non-hollowpoint SWCs out of a 38 snubbie. Would be interested in seeing that data if it exists.
>>65592018>>65592236Oh wait I just found some.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBBwFTJ6yqcAs I suspected, it overpenetrates a bit.
>>65592236SWCs and SWCHPs are two different things, mind.
>>65589945>>65590066This has to be b8. I refuse to believe that anyone who can decipher a captch can actually be this stupid.
>>65588213>a .17 hmr back in the 80sNo guns statement.
>>65590901What happens if I drop it?
>>65592262>bullets are bulletsWalter Chang
>>65587847>a frail vegan hippie possibly with AIDS and it still took 4 rounds of 38 point blank to put him down.
>>65588090>we have better .38 Special ammunition now than we did back then.No, not really. 38 special defensive loads are all still trash, either failing to expand and still only barely hitting adequate penetration, or expanding and definitely not hitting required penetration, or in most cases, failing to expand and failing to hit penetration. Also lenon had massively lost weight, he was like 110lbs at time of his death, and he was ambushed and shot 4 times point blank. A .22 would've probably resulted in the same outcome.
>>65587847people have been killed with .177 air guns but im not carrying that either
>>655902891. Buffalo bore 180gr bullets are getting 1300-1400fps from a 3", that 168gr load you referenced is getting g 1100fps from a 3". Not even close to 357 mag ballistics.Not only that, just spouting weights and velocities means nothing, all that matters is terminal performance, and that BB 38 load performs like dogshit, out if a 2" barrel it is expanding some, but it's only hitting like 12-13" of penetration, which fine is technically thr "minimum" standard set by FBI pencil pushers, whereas the FBI ballisticians heavily suggest in all their ballistic reports on the subject that 16"-18" or so should be the bare minimum penetration in gel, with no real maximum standard as penetration is king.
>>65590305More case capacity can produce more force at lower pressures, that is true, but:The case capcity of 38spl is 75% more than 9mmThe case capacity of 45 auto is 444% more than 25 auto.
>>65590714Well RIP. Ruger just announced its discontinuing all revolvers except their cheapo .22lr ruger wranglers. Along with a ton of other stuff. LCRs are gonna be like 2-3x MSRP now, even used ones.Also don't listen to that retard, if your revolver is in 9mm use something proven like an HST ot a gold dot, ignore "Revolver" bullet nonsense.
>>65590887I only read catcher in the rye. And I listen to KMFDM whilst reading it.
>>65591672>12-18" of penetration>"consistent"Or you've never tested the load ever other than maybe a water bottle.
>>65590887Salinger wasn't just intelligence, but he specifically dealt with debriefing/interrogating Nazis after the war. He doesn't have a literary career before or after Catcher in the Rye, which is very odd. Stranger still is that Luigi Mangione left his duffle bag at the exact spot in Central Park where Catcher in the Rye ends.
>>65592505>No, not really. 38 special defensive loads are all still trash, either failing to expand and still only barely hitting adequate penetrationAre you one of those .45 or nothing guys?
>>65592790No, the 45 tends to fail terminally as well.
>>65592559But who is the Laughing Man?
>>65591672>>65592007>>65592236I've gone over the data from the lucky gunner gel tests. It showed inconsistent expansion for most .38 jhp, including the Hornady FTX. However, Uncle Paul ran a bunch of .38s through his patented meat target. The FTX performed 100% as intended. I'm inclined to trust the meat target more than the gel.https://youtu.be/MMYZjGsC4Nw>>65592546>Ruger cutsI saw that thread. Ruger already unlisted the LCR from the website and they are already $700 "buy it now" on Gunboomer.
>>65587847John lennon is already dead, so I have no more need to carry.
>>65592863To be fair LCRs new were like $600 -$700The real price gouging hasn't even begun
>>655928631. The FTX style bullets suck ass in every loading, as fo most hornady bullets in reality, it seems their XTPs if pushed at screaming velocities by ither loaders can do ok.2. Paul Harrels "meat target" is fucking garbage, not only horribly inconsistent, but not anywhere near as realistic as he claimed.
>>65592869They were $400-$500 a few weeks ago. But I agree the boomer jewry will get worse.
>>65592877I saw a 9mm lcr like a year ago that was $750 new, at a LGS that is pretty competitively priced.I think I saw a 38 lcr for maybe 650 around the same time
>>65592815Does it really?
>>65590901I bought one of these for my redhawk. There will never be a time that i use/need it.
>>65592553There's plenty of 38 special 148 grain wadcutter ballistics gel data out there. It very consistently penetrates 12-18".That is THE snubbie defense load, with the caveat being I wouldn't actually purchase the wadcutters that are advertised for defense and are loaded a bit hot, as those will probably actually overpenetrate. Target loads are best. They'll meet the FBI penetration standard.The real best, if you can find them, are the copper-plated 148 grain wadcutters. Those will penetrate similarly through bare gel/light clothing but will have vastly superior penetration through heavy clothing/car windows.
>>65592922There are two 38 LCR models. One with a removable front sight and one with a fixed front sight. The fixed front sight one was going for $400-500 new.Sucks because I considered the LCR the best concealed carry revolver on the market. It's smol as shit, light as shit, proven reliable and made by a proven company with proven customer service. Only an idiot would buy a new competing Airweight right now with S&W's current revolver QC issues, and Taurus, LOL.>huehuehuehuehue
>>65593389Also, the LCR has possibly the finest, smoothest double action only trigger on the market, and was part of the Hard R line, which is awesome.It's a crying shame that Ruger absolutely gutted their long tradition of fine revolvers and I really hope they bring back an improved LCR, which I would buy the fuck out of.
>>65592449It would be very painful
>>65593786for you
>>65590901big schlong
After you guys made this thread, he responded... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8nXQv6c7uQHe's here somewhere.
>>65593399Yep. LCR in .38 +P is not my EDC, but it is my LDC... lazy day carry.Got it to have something I can just throw in the pocket of my gym shorts or sweatpants while I answer the door or take trash out or check mail or whatever, where I'm not putting on real pants and a belt and holster.
>smol, lightweight snubbie in the interior pocket of an unzipped/unbuttoned jacket/vest
>>65590317>murder someone because you don't like them>dont get parolewhats surprising?
>>65598875>Got it to have something I can just throw in the pocket of my gym shorts or sweatpants while I answer the door or take trash out or check mail or whateverHaha I do exactly this.>shirt?Fuck no. It's 100 and humid out. The neighbors will witness my glorious beer belly and they'll like it.>snubbie?Does a bear shit in the woods? Never know when a pack of feral zombies or #000000s might show up out of nowhere.
>>65592548>KMFDMKill my fucking dick, mom?
>>65588088actually if you shoot someone 6 times and haven't stopped them, shooting them more will probably stop them.what actually happens though is you'll miss 6 times and die, because people don't make themselves easy to shoot in real gunfights.
>>65592455kek i always think of that quote when i see hydrashoks
>>65599013>actually if you shoot someone 6 times and haven't stopped them, shooting them more will probably stop them.That steel plate under their coat doesn't give a shit about 10 more 9mm, if 6 didn't get through.
>>65599623He's talking about meþ zombies.
>>65590066Why would you post chamber pressure and not muzzle energy?
>>65599722Same diameter and weight range of bullets.Only real difference is pressure.Do you really believe that the lower pressure round is magically going to have better ME?
>>65598875I got one in 357 that I carry 38s in on occasion
>>65599774It doesn't really matter.Plenty of 38 Special rounds penetrate adequately and expand reliably out of non-snubbies.Wadcutters penetrate reliably and cut flesh like a bitch out of snubbies.That's all that matters.
>>65587847It is my EDC. A S&W 442 in a sticky holster is in my front pocket every day.
What if I get mugged by twelve john lennons at the same time?
>>65599900line em up indiana jones style
>>65599911What if there's nineteen john lennons, though?
>>65589445You know it's funny you should mention that. The highest number of attackers incapacitated during a self defense scenario was actually 4 and they were indeed all niggers. The victim used a .38 snub nose to defend himself.
>>65587847It is, but John Lennon isn't why it's good enough. Bernhard Goetz is.>>65588213.38 Special was designed specifically to put down raging, drugged-up attackers in the aftermath of the Philippine War.At the start of the war, the US standard service revolver was chambered in .38 Long Colt. .38 LC was anemic and failed to incapacitate Moros before they'd sliced up our boys with machetes. The .38 LCs were pulled and mothballed .45 LC SAAs were dug out from storage to be re-issued. At this point and after the war, the US Army conducted trials for a new service weapon with the caveat that it needed to be chambered in .45 LC or something the same as it. The 1911 was adopted at the end of this trial.However, at the same time as this trial, the Army reached out to Smith and Wesson and asked them to make .38 Long Colt not suck a bag of dicks. The result of Smith and Wesson's improvements was .38 Special, new and specially designed to put down niggers just as well as .45 ACP. It served this role as America's standard police cartridge into the 70s; the better half of a century.This isn't to knock your choice of round, .357 was also used to great effect by American police concurrently and after .38 Special. This is just a matter of perspective. As many have posted, the Goetz case proves that the minimum needed for self defense is 5 rounds of .38 Special. As long as your carry gun meets or exceeds this baseline (there's leeway I'd say, like 6 rounds of .32 are probably about equal to 5 rounds of .38 here), you should carry what you want to. If your chosen gun and cartridge is comfy to shoot and makes you feel cool and secure while holding it, you're in the clear. Reloads are statistically not necessary, but if they put you at ease you should carry some.
>>65598952That arguably worse people don't. Let's be real, Chapman isn't let out because he murdered a famous musician and libshit, if he had robbed and murdered a gas station clerk he'd be out after a while.
>>65589951I miss him
>>65599785>>65600260With a .357 snub, what do you think is more important for the first five rounds, .357 power or more accurate follow up shots with .38?.38 in the wheel and .357 in speed strips perhaps?
>>65588213Fwiw I did put down a neighbor's hog with a .357 jhp.
>>65600803I carry 38s because the follow ups are far more reasonable. The LCR is pretty light and 357 out of it is an absolute monster blast
>>6560081438+p is really all you should go up to. 357 mag is just too slow to follow up with in a snub.
>>65600822I don't have any and probably won't bother desu, I cycle through carry funz based on my mood and I'm doing a semiauto most of the time anyways, the 38 is good nuff for me
>>65600803Honestly if you're carrying the .357 but want to use both, I'd probably go with .357 in the gun with a backup .38 speed strip or speed loader (with an LCR you can just barely fit the bullet heads into the lips of the chambers so that you can release them). Reason being that the .357s, being longer, are better off in your gun, while the .38s will take up less space in your pocket.I personally just use .38 wadcutters myself though, heard it's an old police trick. Supposedly they tumble and/or deform in flesh and are fairly accurate at the distances you'd be using a snubby at. Makes the speed loaders take up that much less space aside. A similar police trick is to wrap a rubber band or two around the midsection of your grip, that way you can tuck it into your waistband without a holster. The friction from the rubber bands keeps it from slipping down. I haven't needed to do that though, the .38 LCR is light enough that it hasn't shifted much when tucked into the waistband, and I tend to pocket carry it when my clothing permits it anyway.
>>65602388>while the .38s will take up less space in your pocketThat difference is so small that it's unlikely to matter for very many people, the case on .38 Special is 29.3mm long, the case on .357 Magnum is 33mm long, so it's longer, sure, but in a pocket where a strip of .357 cartridges would be too long to comfortably fit, would .38s really fit very freely and easily? They're only slightly shorter and otherwise all the same dimensions.It's not like with .22 Long Rifle and .22 Short, where it's a lot shorter and you can actually fit shitloads more cartridges in a tube magazine, in a rifle tube you'd get the same capacity with both .38 and .357Just as a point of illustration.
Well, I guess with actual wadcutter rounds of .38, that'd be a lot shorter than any regular .357, but how many people actually choose to carry wadcutters in this day and age?
>>65602609>he doesn't have hard cast keith-style SWCs at +P in his daily snubbynot EVER gonna make it
>>65602603If you use wadcutters, the difference is that much more apparent as far as the length goes, though it is admittedly still slight. Might make more a difference for speed loaders rather than strips. It's just the way I'd do it if I was carrying 5 or 6 of each, I personally only carry .38, not even +P even though my gun is rated for them.Might also be better for dealing with the recoil difference. .38s out of a .357 are gonna have much less recoil. Better to be accustomed to the increased recoil of the .357, then on the reload with .38s you might be that much more accurate with lessened recoil. I can't say I'd carry two different cartridges like that for self-defense, but if I was, I'd rather get the .357s out first, then experience the lesser recoil of .38, rather than be accustomed to the .38s first and then be taken a little aback by the higher recoil of the .357s.I'd say the main utility of a .357 revolver being able to utilize both rounds is more economy or recoil aid rather than using both at once being a great idea. Can use .38 if there's no .357 in stock, for example. If you want a compromise between the lower recoil of a .38 and the power of a .357, you could try using .38 +Ps. It's entirely worth noting that reloads in self-defense shootings don't really happen, most are over within 1-3 shots. Not saying not to carry a reload, I carry two speed loaders myself, but that's entirely for my own peace of mind and the autistic idea that I might have another self-defense situation a while after the first one by some freak chance.>>65602609I do actually, I noted why in the post above. Might just be old cop fuddlore, but I figure it can't hurt (me, anyway) either way.
>>65602627Anon, SWCs aren't recessed into the case like WCs are, they are gonna be full cartridge length.
>>65602652thats fine if you have a ruger and not a smith & woman's
>>65602705What?
>>65602609>but how many people actually choose to carry wadcutters in this day and age?They have niche use for older wheelguns that can't use +P or older cartridges that don't have enough oomph in general to get expansion on a hollowpoint.
>>65602609I do. They are objectively the best snubbie round.
>>65602818+P is snappy as FUCK out of a snubbie and thus NOT fun to train with.I haven't seen a single .38 Special hollowpoint round that reliably expands and reliably penetrates 12-18 inches out of a snubbie according to all the test data out there.148 grain target load wadcutters are still snappy out of a snubbie (everything is), but tolerable. 100 rounds aren't gonna make your hands sore. So, they're much less likely to discourage training, which is important. Plus, also, obviously, the reduced recoil means increased accuracy on follow-up shots.They reliably penetrate 12-18 inches out of a snubbie and expansion is a non-issue. The copper plated ones will penetrate 11 inches after going through a windshield.Wadcutters bestcutters.
>>65603298They're really not.
>>65603543What is, then?Support your choice with objective data.
>>65587847>buy 357 S&W for hunting sidearm>primarily shoot 357 to get used to the recoil>run some 38 special for a range day>less felt recoil than the 9mm i edci'd consider running 38 special as an edc, it's certainly fun to shoot, but 9mm just checks more boxes for me
>>65599722numbers on paper, 9mm generally out-performs 38sp and has more consistent penetration on FBI ballistic gel tests. when you start shooting 38sp out of a metal frame 357, you get the benefit of less felt-recoil over the 9mm, but you still retain all the cons of running a revolver vs a double-stack 9mm. that being said, 38sp is still a lot of fun to shoot, it's going to be fine in most of the scenarios you'd need it
>>65603585The first claim was "they're the best", so that's the one that should be supported with data. The only advantage of wadcutters is that they have mild recoil for extremely feminine hands.
>>65603753>I don't have dataI accept your concession.
>>65603585Semi-wadcutters loaded hot. Better penetration.>>65603756He's not me, but I do agree that you should actually try to back why you think wadcutters are the best.They're low recoil, and they can work alright, but how harsh is a +P JHP or SWC really to shoot, and how would they have worse terminal ballistics?
>>65603901>Semi-wadcutters loaded hot. Better penetration.This will overpenetrate.Non-hot-loaded SWCs overpenetrate in >>65592246Your answer is objectively incorrect.148 grain target load wadcutters penetrate adequately. 12-18 inches consistently, as proven by many, many tests. "Better penetration" is not needed.
>>65590714shitty fucking book>wahh my life suck fuck off holden faggot. I didnt need to read this back in highschool
>>65603901>how would JHP have worse terminal ballisticsWon't reliably expand out of a snubbie.
>>65603905>This will overpenetrate.Will SWCs in 9mm and .45 also do this? Are you really sure about that? How about SWCHPs?
>>65604095Do people even carry 9mm or .45 snub nose revolvers? I bet like five people bought the 9mm LCR.Anyways, this is a 38 Special thread, anon.>How about SWCHPs?Won't expand reliably out of a snubbie.
>>65587847Well, now that he's dead, I don't have to worry about him as a threat anymore.
>>65604101>Do people even carry 9mm or .45 snub nose revolvers?Wasn't really my question, I mean regardless of gun.>Won't expand reliably out of a snubbie.But will they still overpenetrate? Will they penetrate more or less than WCs and SWCs?
>>65604146Lucky Gunner tested three different SWCHP rounds out of a 38 Special snubbie. None reliably expanded. One had a round overpenetrate by 3.7 inches and one had a round overpenetrate by 9.7 inches.One actually penetrated reliably between 12 and 18 inches, but actually 1.5 inches less, on average, than the wadcutters. So, given that's a round that penetrates less while having significantly more recoil, that's not something I would use, ESPECIALLY when compared to a copper-plated wadcutter which would have vastly superior penetration through heavy winter clothing or a windshield.
>>65590274>>65590218>other anons, presumably in other states, are also noticing itOh thank god, it's not just me and people in my area. Last few weeks, all sorts of people have been wound up tight, or sometimes even lashing out. There's just a buzz of anger in the air. Those midterms must have hellacious social reach because the bad juju is affecting a lot of people, seemingly without regard to politics
>>65591700kek that's the screenname I use whenever I have to sign up for something I don't want my more identifiable name on. (Or when I run out of ideas for game character names.)The female equivalent for games btw is Dilda
