Come on guys this is the biggest win we have had in nearly a hundred years and there are only like 2-3 threads about it. I will start this one by asking what do you guys think gun shops are going to look like in 5 years as companies try to make products to fill the new space?
You're absolutely fucking right and it's worth celebrating the wins. Hunt the good stuff!
>>65587940I fear there will be very few, if any, 16" barrel ARs in the future. Sure it exists largely due to the NFA, but it has fantastic ballistics (and a measureable bump over 14.5" barrels) while still being a very handy. And if you put a can on it, a 16" AR has an overall length almost the exact same as a similarly configured 20" rifle without a suppressor, which is still a very handy package if you build it light.I suspect we will see some good meme shotguns and maybe some more subguns that are actually worthwhile.
>>65588057I think the ARs are going to mostly just be an explosion in the uppers market. The PDWs are going to be where it gets interesting imho. Braces have been getting popular for a while, and now that it will be possible to sell PDWs built from the ground up as PDWs, there will hopefully be some that don't suck, as most of the current half measures suck ass by either being too bulky (things like the Roni) or not having enough length of pull (Flux brace). Shotguns will be interesting too, as I think there will be people who will want pistols chambered in shot shells. I think the first few will be 20 gauge, but we might see a resurgence in 28 and 16 gauges, as .410 just isn't going to cut it for what most people actually want out of it.
>>65588057>it has fantastic ballisticsNothing shorter than 20 has "fantastic ballistics"
don't care, tell me when an 18 year old can get an ffl03 so then 18 year olds in any state can buy handguns
>tfw stare still requires us to follow NFA restrictions I love NC but damn we really are the worst Carolina
>>65587940most of /k/ is filled with browns. What do you expect?
>>65588207Luckily it's not the 60's anymore and we have much better ammo now.
I'm not holding my breath, it's a policy change, not a law.
>>65587940Every thread about this since it was announced has been replete with doompillers trying to demoralize people and tell them its not really a win and it'll be reversed or that it's still cucked and nobody dhould have been complying, either because they are incredibly brown and hate it when Americans have nice things like more rights than they ever will or because they are left wing parasites engaging in hysterics over the current admin currying favors and securing votes this close to the midterms. And i'm not making conjectures over their motives, you can go ahead and check, they're just outright saying it.This really should unite all good /k/ posters and filter out those who don't belong here.
>>65588057>>65588071Personally I'm full of hopium we see more integrated suppressors being developed and released. With many states not needing you to submit Form 4, hopefully more employees get sent over to processing Form 1 and SOTs.
>>65588685>it'll be reversed I was surprised no one pointed out the boating accidents.
I don't really care because I was never interested in NFA shit in the first place. Don't fuck it up
>>65588685Doompillers are a mix of chronic negative nancies and shills, and it is of my belief that either should be bayoneted in the taint.
>>65588685it is honestly ridiculous considering the legal headache it would cause trying to go back on it. Even if the ATF DID go back on it they have the problem that there are now non-NFA items out there that are legally protected and no way to tell apart the ones that are from the ones that aren't, making prosecution basically impossible.
>>65588685they should just have flags on /k/all the naysayers are jealous euros
>>65589676Well, I'm a Euro and I'm ecstatic for it, people are gonna do so many cool guns. (Also we're going through some loosening of restrictions and rules in my own country, though nothing as cool as unrestricted barrel lengths or conceal carry).Back when they were taking calls for the Big Beautiful Bill and they tried to pull the NFA stuff, I was one of the people phoning in to show my support, but from across the Atlantic.
Oil filter suppressors, used or clean?
>>65588057God everything was so much cooler before social media.
>>65590147We didn't have to see people's innermost thoughts all the time. And when we did, they were almost never brown or nig. Throw in the way iphone keyboards seem to encourage people to type even more retardedly, you get that shit that practically requires a translator
>>65590165Yeah, and I mean, even like, spooky shitty stuff was cooler. OGs were cooler, they'd just be these boogiemen that rolled up on people and shot up the place. School shooters were pure evil and psychologically interesting, whole on life research projects about their downfall.Now we all realize bangers are literally just retarded niggers that emoji spam like 12 year olds and school shooters just want a way to get to Equestria or some shit.I'd bring up all the vetslop but everyone knows that shit.
>>65587940The important message to spread is to buy short barrelled weapons and silencers to get the numbers up to increase the legal burden of "in common use"
>so if you're a GOA member, even if the ATF changes its mind on enforcement you'd still be covered because of the court decision which is applied federally>this lets you buy a suppressor, sbr, or sbs with a 4473 OR make them which would not require a 4473 as long as your state and local laws don't say otherwise>The 10/9 ATF statement was because they couldn't tell GOA or Silencer Shop members who are covered from everyone else who wasn't, so they just said fuck it for everyone>IIRC being a GOA member would prevent them from being able to SWAT your dog per the court decision, but if the tax was raised then the court decision would be moot because the argument is based on the whole $0 stampso with all that said, if you ARE a registered GOA or Silencer Shop member you could buy solvent traps, maglite thread adapters with pre-drilled "storage cups", AR pistol uppers, saw the barrel off a shotgun, ect and not really have to worry about shit, right? I'm just trying to confirm if I'm understanding this correctly before I think about shopping around
>>65590620I bought some oil filter thread adapters on ebay. I'll let you know if my dog gets shot.
whats the best budget option PSA ar sbr I can cobble together?
>>65590641Anon go on PSA and look with your eyes this isn't chatgpt.
>>65587940I really want a dumb short sawed off with the stock intact
What does that have to do with sucking off the ukraine?
>>65587940Does this mean I can buy an NFA SBR or suppressor and have it shipped to a NFA gun store and transferred to me by form 4473?
>>65587940Glowniggers are seething and fill the threads with spam. I want to buy a cheap 12ga shotgun just to cut it to 8"
>>65590620Pretty much. A future admin MIGHT very well try to go back on this, and dems are scrambling to try to fight this for the future, but it's gonna be a LOT of inertia on that shit by the time they can actually take any action, and regardless, just to be sure for the future, you SHOULD pressure your representatives to take further action to remove these items from the NFA for good, you've got good leverage for that now.>>65590641Presumably one of their AR pistols or AR pistol length uppers, but replace the brace with an actual stock, and then add a VFG for the hell of it.>>65591510Suppressors are now just Title 1 items unless your specific state says otherwise, yes, it's like buying any pistol or rifle.
>>65591639Do it, get some old cheap Rossi or Stevens or something and make your own Super Shotgun.
So what are the state specifics on this? Anyone tried any of this stuff out in Alabama yet? I know its a no go in Georgia on account of state law.
>>65590641>bestProbably something in 300blk to put a 4473 can on.Personally, I like their MOE Marauder uppers -- fun-sized 7" barrel, carbine handguards over a pistol system, kinda like a mini-dissipator.Not suitable for suppressed, not great for ballistics, but it's just plain cute.
>>65587940
>>65587940Personally, I really want to see stocked pistols make a comeback. There's so much stuff we can do with collapsing stocks now.
>>65588057>i shot back with a glock 9mm not a [ce] ak47 if I did it would had sounded like Serbia round dis mfrTupac alive in The Balkans confirmed
>>65592179lol'd, but they'll still serve a purpose for a bit longer.>1. IF the Dems actually manage to pull that fast one, you can put braces back on and pretend like nothing, how will they know?>2. There's still 15 states which have specific laws on SBRs, and they are all each going to have to untangle that on their own, and until they do, they are gonna still need these.In that meantime, I guess send surplus braces to those states for cheap, think of it as a type of civilian life equivalent to military aid. Anyway, hassle your representatives, make sure this change is 100% permanent.>>65592189Glamorous wooden holster stocks for old fashioned pistols I feel is an obvious one.You could make one for a 1911 which has a skillfully engraved or/and painted American flag motif to it. Maybe a bald eagle on one side.
>>65592189Yes, we need more wooden holster stocks. Maybe something VP70 styled for polymer pistols as well.
>>65592258I would pay through the nose for a new wood stocked Browning HiPower.
Tryna build one of theseWhat double barrel should I buy that isn't retarded expensive but also wont blow itself apart because of shitty soldering?
>>65592431>trynaspeak english nigger
>>65592445no
>>65590641Just get a Sabre if you can afford itOr a 11.5 AR
>>65592492okay, to answer your question, i would recommend one of those stoeger coach guns, and ideally in 20 gaugei wouldnt chop down anything "nice" unless it was already irreversably fucked withand to fill the hole in between the barrels, i stuffed a pinch of steel wool and filled it with solder, then draw filed until it was smooth, after that i used one of those swivel deburring tools to recrown the barrels and i was done
>>65590620>>65592103https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glxIsTYuimoThis is a pretty good explanation of where we're at. They are based out of Texas, but if you live in a gun friendly state it should be more or less the same. The tl;dr is basically this:>Federally the ATF has effectively de regulated SBRs, AOWs, and suppressors and they are now treated like any other firearm.>State specific laws still apply, so if you live in a cucked state like Cali these items are still outright illegal. Other states will let you have them, but will still require these items to be treated as NFA items and registered as such>if your state does not have such a law then you are now free to slap a shorty upper on your AR lower with a stock or saw the barrel off your 12 gauge.
>>65593571If you are Jensen protected, serial number requirements stop applying. You can buy as many oil filter adapters off amazon as you want. Same with drilling out steel solvent traps.
>>65587940I think we've all seen the BATF+ make a "policy change" or a "clarification" that they later did a rug-pull on enough times to not get over excited.
>>65594118And it led to less rules in the long run and more Ws for people, hm...OK?
Serious question. Has the NFA ever been enforced. I knew that solvent traps and thread adapters were on Amazon and eBay already but I didn't realize to what extent. Not only that but they all have hundreds of reviews and aren't selling out even with the policy changes boosting sales. Have I just been a cowardly cuck?
>>65596153Am I just a slave policing myself?
>>65594118Hey be careful around that boxer guy. >>65596153I bought an aluminum "oil filter" on amazon, shipped from within the US, and was predrilled. 99% sure it's a glownigger trap to kick your door down (because they are who shipped it.)I'm getting steel oil filter adapters since they are cheap and can be modified in the future.
Nothing has been hard set in legislation, all of this shit will be undone in less than 2 years and all you happy faggots will be made felons and hunted by the feds overnight. Go fuck yourselves
>>65587940Nobody cares about toys when the economy is shitting itself.
>>65596248>Nothing has been hard set in legislationIt's hard set in case law.
>>65596235Yeah I bought a few adapters and I'm just waiting to see what happens. I also noticed they all seem to come from the same place. If I get a knock guess I'm out few bucks.
>>65596248Frankly it's a 50/50 at this point but as an optimist it's probably gonna go the way of pistol braces where the the aft is gonna change its mind in 1-4 years, a couple doors will get knocked on, it'll go to court again and be struck down. It's a playbook that works. If you have any inkling of an idea that democrats will do anything at all you're stupider than the neoliberal retards who hold signs at intersections.
>>65596298Get Protected under the Jensen case and you will be good.>>65596330ATF can't challenge case law. Even if magically reversed, there are probably 500k+ unserialized silencers floating around now.
>>65596357I was protected before the decision. I don't trust law enforcement to care.
>>65596365Feds are banned from enforcing the law by both the judiciary and executive.
>>65596371I stand by what I said. Hope I'm just a paranoid idiot.
>>65596254The economy? We're at best a few ICE shootings away from the summer of love.
>>65596357>>65596357>Get Protected under the Jensen case and you will be good.this would mean joining Gun Owners of America or one of the other groups from the lawsuit, right?
>>65596454Buy from PSA, join GOA. Do these two things and you are safe no matter what. Theoretically. But unless ATF changes their mind you're safe regardless. Seriously start buying oil filter adapters immediately. It's $20 for a pack of 4.
>>65596454Join GOA and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Joining both gets you all of the plaintiff group protections. CCRKBA was on the Jensen ruling, and GOA was on the Silencer Shop ruling. So you're covered for both marking and making.
>>65589675It seems borderline unenforcable tbdesu, I'd surmise any major attempt to grab them will result in an embarassment comparable to the attempted "assault style" confiscation up north.
>>65596732>>65596470So joining both means you could buy suppressors under a 4473 or make them at home with no serial number or registration, saw off the barrel of your shotgun, or construct an SBR and the ATF can't come kill your dogs? I'm seeing a shitton of maglite end caps and "metal storage cups" that look like pre-drilled baffles on ebay. If you're covered by those groups does that mean the ATF doesn't give a shit as long as you're in a free state?
>>65590179>school shooters just want a way to get to Equestria or some shit.If you kill yourself, or other people then yourself, your ticket to Equestria is revoked. do your research.
>>65597428You can do that right now with none of it. The ATF flat out said they can't enforce the law anymore because it would be impossible to tell who's who, so they won't. It's is entirely "legal" to buy a suppressor via 4473 or buy a kit and make one yourself. Or if you're cool make an oil filter supressor. You can put any stock on any gun with no fear of repercussions. Joining an org is just insurance.There are in all reality now 100k+ unregistered suppressors, sbr, and sbss now because faggots like me are taking advantage of it. In two years the law won't matter even if they do decide to check your papers.
>>65596267Case law means nothing in 2026. Hope all you stupid faggots vanned and raped in prison
>>65597483How much do they pay you for this?
>>65591998Unnfff unnfff
>>65596248>Congress tries to raise tax>All the goodies are in common use now>As per Caetano ruling, common use means they are protected arms, which we have a right to>Challenge NFA based on Pennsylvania V Murdock ruling that it's unconstitutional to tax a right>Whole NFA on the chopping block because Caetano applied to 200,000 stun guns>There are more than that many transferable Machine guns in US circulationLol, just need the overton window to shift a bit more.
>>65597837>common useChrist, you faggots have no idea how that actually applies to anything, do you?We need actual, legislative wins, not smoke and mirrors bullshit, and cope like this is letting lazy representatives coast on something that can be undone at the drop of a hat!
>>65597498I wish someone was paying me to educate you stupid faggots. Doesn't matter, 2 years from now I'll be taking my son to his first range day while you retards are being hunted and shuttled off to some Mossad blacksite for taking 6 inches off your turkshit shotguns.And as your getting forcefed your cockmeat sandwich, I'll being painting my wife's butt like a pumpkin before fucking her in the ass to the tune off This is Halloween.
>>65597859Pinning your hopes on the Supreme Court is just insanely stupid and naive too.
>>65597874That was funny. You're a funny man. Carry on.
>>65597428Yes if you are protected under both you can declare a pallet of fender washers 100,000 unserialized silencers. Inter state transfer rules still apply. No selling. Feds already dropped charges for a guy who ordered an "oil filter" device on a normal retailer. You could also buy 100 oil filter adapters and declare them silencers. Maybe in the future add a baffle system when you can afford it.
>>65597948>Feds already dropped charges for a guy who ordered an "oil filter" device on a normal retailer.Do you happen to have a link to that?
>>65598381>>65597948IIRC if the components are "sourced" from the US you're good, but prior to 10/9 people caught heat for buying solvent trap components from China (storage cups with pre-drilled starter wholes, thread adaptors, shit like that). I read that many of these were seized by customs and deemed as "illegal firearm imports". So after 10/9, as long as you're buying shit from a US seller and not from Hongchongpingpongbyzang Company LTD you should be ok
taken from a boomer forum post I found: >As much as I wish I could add to my suppressor inventory (I have three purchased under 4473 here in SC, from PSA and I'm a GOA member, prior to the latest ATF guidance opening the 4473 to all), I think the solvent trap route will end up being a "trap" down the line... when a hostile administration eventually comes into power.>I wish I could "make" more at basically disposable prices, but a suppressor IS STILL A FIREARM under the '68 GCA. I am not a lawyer, but you don't need to be a lawyer to know this much.>The Amazon link upthread for a solvent trap with a pre-drilled .30 hole is an un-assembled suppressor. It doesn't even have the "I have to drill a hole" figleaf. There is no "manufacturing" step to it at all, just screw it together.>Ask yourself, if you could order ALL of the parts to assemble a full firearm, no modification needed, just put them together, would you do that? Would you do that and leave a "paper trail" directly to your front door?>Remember how bad the Biden administration was on braces? On 80% receivers (those took real skill to machine out)? The next Dem will be even worse. Even for un-drilled solvent traps, do you want to hang your freedom on convincing hostile forces that drilling 5 holes into machined parts constitutes "manufacturing" or "making" or whatever word the courts hang on?Not trying to bring doom and gloom, but for folks considering making your own using parts you order online vs buying via a 4473 I would advise caution
>>65598481Some posts on some forum don't mean anything. And with no actual link you're just making shit up and calling it quotes.
>>65598581https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/solvent-traps-making-a-comeback-now.583000/page-3
>>65598583Thank you. It's still just some guy saying the same thing people here are saying might happen. And just read the thread to get feedback.
>>65598588digits and agreed, I'm just sharing opinions as I find it in case anyone else is interested. Of course, opinions are like assholes and everyone has one
>Can you believe it goys I mean guys? Our benevolent ZOG is so le heckin baste they're rolling back restrictions on our cosplay toys!! Surely the same pedophile politicians who keep trying to take them away are doing this out of their own kindness and goodness!!!!@grok search "insanity" definition>>65598481>>65598583>>65598588Things are bad when the average arfcom boomer has to be the voice of reason here.
>>65598481Shut up ATF shill. Is this what you do with all your free time now?
>>65598850>>65598754>>65598850>Shut up ATF shill. Is this what you do with all your free time now?no uI want to buy cans, machine guns, and recreational nukes over the counter but I also have dogs a family that I don't want Ruby Ridged.
>>65598850Anon it's a bot. Stop arguing with obvious bots.
>>65598979>I love guns>but I won't buy legal guns because ATFLmao ATF agents should be charged with treason.
>>65599304>>65599019what the fuck. I'm talking about interpreting the 10/9 stuff in regards to $100 solvent traps with no papers vs $600 suppressors with your name still on a 4473 you're calling me retarded?
>>65596153My cousin bought an Amazon special solvent trap kit onceATF showed up at his door and requested it for evidence in exchange for leaving him alone, they were going after the sellerThat was nearly a decade ago
>>65599315>with your name still on a 4473Buy used then, you fucking mouth breather
>>65599315Unserialized solvent trap silencers are legal if you are Jensen + Goa protected.
>>65597483>>65597874Cuuuuuuck.
>>65598481>>Ask yourself, if you could order ALL of the parts to assemble a full firearm, no modification needed, just put them together, would you do that?yes, obviously
been wanting a jakl sd for home defence>inbr poorfair, but I still think it looks cool
>>65597428end caps have always been fine. baffles and things that could be baffles are dubious. Threaded tubes combined with either of these things in one kit are where the atf was really spicy
>>65597483That win just motivated people 100000x more to go even harder. Why must you be left behind when you can be hopeful, happy, and good like all the other people?
converting my mossberg shockwave to a sbr. I bought a stock set only to realize i need a longer stock bolt and also I need to cut down the handguard and do some sanding because I didn't know about different action lengths. project time! Also should have done better research
>>65600769Overpriced guns like the SCAR kinda suck if the jakl can fit the same niche for cheaper. >SDFucking based. Coolest unobtainable firearm mod.
>>65599315It's legal to make your own Title 1 items in most U.S states, as long as you don't do it for commerce, so solvent trap kits, or just putting your own together from anything else, wouldn't be any different from finishing an 80% lower, or making a gun from scratch. Some state laws might bitch about silencers or shorties specifically, but that's on your state.If you wanted to be extra sure, seek out the memberships, because then it'd actually be harder for them to fuck with you if a future admin fags out, then they'd have to fight an actual ruling.I'll agree with you that this recent change isn't on 100% solid ground yet, but it sure as fuck isn't just 20% or shit, this is a monumental advancement and it shows that it's possible to take it further. Because of how concerned many people are about this potential issue, I'm definitely seeing the support existing for getting these items formally removed from the NFA, to make it final.Maybe in a few years, we could look at undoing the Hughes Amendment.
>>65600996Had the same thing happen to me with the bolt. I got lucky and checked ahead of time before ordering the houge stock and ordered a bolt with it. Make sure you have a long socket wrench or flathead to get in there. Just finished mine, put a houge stock, a1 metal trigger group, vang comp follower, and vang comp steel safety. It's worth it friend easily my favorite gun now.
I keep reading this title in the same way I read Freddy's Dead, and sure, we put a pipebomb in the NFA's gut and all, but there's sequels left.Keep hacksawing old junker shotguns, but keep nagging your reps to get these items off the NFA. Those in unfortunate states, keep fighting, and then gather power for the future, where we take aim at the Hughes Amendment.
>>65602616This is the first reasonable take on it. Its been badly damaged, but its still going to be limping until we actually finish it off but with that said it IS on its way out.
