I still remember when you dorks were saying it would never leave the prototype phase, now they're in full production. https://youtu.be/X6X5zuthz-s
Yep, that's a plane right there.
>>65588024Looks like it would need a lot of work to become a real stealth fighter.
>>65588043It's not meant to be stealth/5th gen, ROK already has the F-35. It's a stealth-adjacent force multiplier.
>>65588024And yet, nobody seems to want to buy it.Curious.
>>65588024buy an ad
>>65588024>I still remember when you dorks were saying it would never leave the prototype phase,who? when? provide some proof you massive cocksucking faggot or else its just a figment of your delusions. oh wait its just padding in your post to take a victory lap
>>65588024>full production>when it doesn't even have a third of the promised features>not even remotely stealth>still no A/G capabilitiesLooks like the FA-50 fiasco was their normal business model instead of an outlier.
>>65588024>I still remember when you dorks were saying it would never leave the prototype phaseThrowing a typical microdick fit of rage because your nuclear subs monkey noise for the past few months has now been denied by the USN, gook?
>>65588043>>65588050I'd happily bet a year's salary the Block III stealth upgrade never exists beyond the prototype/testing phase.
>>65593552its more of a tech demonstrator than anything skorea will probably focus their aerospace industry on CCAs in the future
>>65593660Oh 100%.I expect to see 2-4 KF-21 Block III airframes for testing before they announce they achieved their testing objectives and pivot the Block III procurement $$ into a UCAV program while saying stealth UCAVs are the future of the ROKAF. While using their F-35A fleet as the UCAV MUM-T node controller instead of wasting money trying to make the Block III KF-21 do that same job, but worse.
>>65588043This, as long as it has no internal weapons bays it’s a literally “why bother” platform to me. Best argument is they will learn from this to make an actually stealthy plane but to make the engines etc I dunno if South Korea has the capability. Certainly they are smart enough to be able to but the cost and materials engineering is another deal.
>>65593738I mean, the "why bother" is because they need to replace their F-4 and F-5 fleets NOW, and in the near future they'll need to replace the F-16 and F-15 fleets too. F-16V and F-15EX are expensive as hell.
>>65593750The why bother is domestic capacity, it's not cheaper than a new F-16 (F-15EX are not for sale).
>>65593795it is 100% cheaper when you factor in 60-70%+ of the value of each KF-21 stays within south korea's economy.Sure the sticker price on a KF-21 is probably a bit higher, but an F-16 or F-15 buy the vast majority of the initial purchase money, and ongoing sustainment contract value goes to the united states. Domestic industry is ALSO a factor, and helps out their domestic UCAV ambitions, but you're moronic if you think the KF-21 isn't a better deal economically for SK at $120M than an F-16V at $75-85M. > F-15EX are not for salelol, yeah that's why boeing keeps offering it to various nations (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Poland, etc).
>>65593414>no serrated edge
>>65588024Did indonesia end up staying in the program?
>>65597039They stole technology (allegedly) during their time.
>>65588024Japan is in a 6th generation fighter program, meanwhile South Korea cannot into 5th generation, with the KF-21 instead being 4.5.
>>65597062Japan started in the 90s. It's a very different timeline.
>>65597062>>65597092Japan started in the '90s, but also already had a massive existing raw materials industrial base that was already doing world class research into further materials science advances.Japan was building domestic jet engines in the 1980s in the IHI F3. Semi-domestic airframes in the '90s and wholly domestic airframes in the 2000/10s. SK doesn't plan to have their first jet engines until ~2030, and a jet engine that can be used in a manned fighter isn't slated to enter production until ~2040-50. They're coming at the entire industry in a totally different direction than japan did, so it's hard to really directly compare the two since their end goals differ and their approach is totally opposite.
nice gen 4 i guess
>>65597163That's all it really needs to be in order to be successful.It would actually be less successful as a 5th gen since it would give the US a much bigger reason to deny export licenses.
>>65597189whatever helps you cope the intention was clearly to make a 5th gen even the space for the internal bay is obvious
>>65597197It's the reality. KAI can present it however they want, the ambition for 5th gen is indeniably there, but in terms of actual successful export jet? 5th gen is a dead end. The US is never going to allow you to export a 5th gen fighter to nations that aren't allowed to purchase the F-35, and nations that can purchase the F-35 will just do that instead since they're significantly cheaper.If you measure success by potential export sales, it's far more of a success staying a 4.5th gen.
>>65593834>>65597115>>65597189back2reddit, gookbotno one is impressed by your tiny-dick fighter
>>65597206I'm the "weebshill" usually.Not a gook, or even pro-gook. The KF-21 is embarrassing when placed against the GCAP fighter, it's just not a fair comparison to make despite SK often being the ones to make it. The only reason KAI is even trying to make KF-21 a 5th gen is so they can steal the crown from Japan by claiming they were beat japan to field a domestically produced stealth fighter. Still doesn't mean the KF-21 isn't a great 4.5th gen fighter. Just means the vision of it as a 5th gen is dumb and mostly being done for ego/pride, not because it'll be a good export jet.
> SK nuke subs fast tracked and now 8k to 10k+ tonnesGap between SK and JP is comparable to Germany and BrazilGap between SK and CH is like comparing Germany to IndiaEveryone in the know gets that the KF21 is the best combat airframe on the planet today fullstop period.How many gcap in the skies today?SK will have 7th gen en masse operational before any other nation outside of the US can produce proper operational 5th genSK will have proper 6th gen en masse operational before gcap has a prototype outside of cad design stage and realistically before
>>65597552Not sure if bot or bait.
>This is who retards think the USN should be buying destroyers fromlmao
>>65597552>SK nuke subs fast tracked and now 8k to 10k+ tonnesCalm down VANK samaFirst and foremost, Gook SSN/SSBN reactor will be using 15-20% LEU, sourced exclusively from the US, that's if they even agree to your current proposal, not just some whispering and bribing into the ear of the demented Zion Miga in chief. And gooks has zero uranium enriching capacity, and Muttistan sure as hell aint granting your microdick faggot that ability anytime soon.https://sejong.org/web/boad/1/egofiledn.php?conf_seq=22&bd_seq=12692&file_seq=41163Second, the USN currently find your horseshit of an excuse not convincing enough for an SSN program.https://biz.chosun.com/en/en-international/2026/09/11/2S3VWLK5N5HK5IPIT7J4MRDAAI/So unless your currently chink cocksucking leftist government change their course, its doubtful that the program will even get the nod from the next US admin. Demented Zion Don will be well gone before 2030, you know that, right?
>>65597655China, South Korea, and Japan are all shipbuilding giants, just because the middle example can't build a 5th gen fighter (which is very hard) doesn't mean they can't build good ships.
>>65597703>muh commercial tonnage
>>65597709You realise that capacity is capable of both commercial and military production, right? How do you think all 3 build ships so fast?
>>65588024Yep.>>65588114NTA but just read the seething posts below yours. I suspect they're either weebs or chinkos. Correan planes are selling like hotcakes to SEA. Correa is a nice balance of Eastern and Western/NATO tech and a great alternative to Slavshit or Chinkshit. SEA nations with existing NATO missiles and bombs will go for Correan planes.
I liek planes. Hope there are more planes. Every cunt should have their own plane for the sake of fun.
>>65597201>5th gen is a dead end.Not even half true. There are plenty of countries lining up to buy 4.5th gens like F-16 Block 70 or Rafale.
>>65597655I don't even get why people jumped to Korea when Europe makes up half of warship and sub exports globally and SK warships are full of European engines, weapons and sensors. >>65597714You do realize that there's a big difference between a big metal box with an engine and a proper warship?
Turkey and South Korea should try something like thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soko_J-22_Orao
>>65598058Are you stupid? That's my point.The KF-21 as a 5th gen is a dead end for export sales, since no nation that wants a stealth jet, but can't buy the F-35, would be allowed to buy the KF-21 since the US controls export veto rights on the plane via the engine and other ITAR components. KF-21 is a perfectly fine 4.5th gen plane, and it'll do great on the export market because of it. But as a 5th gen it makes no real sense. Anyone that can buy F-35s will just buy F-35s, and anyone who can't will be barred from buying KF-21 anyway.
>>65598762>4.5thit's barely 4th gen
>>65600223Are you stupid or just trying to bait?4th gen = older gen pre-AESA radar, no modern integrated datalinks, no modern non-radar sensors (IRST/EOTS), traditional analog/early digital cockpit, etc.4.5th gen = AESA radar, modern datalinks (Link-16), IRST/EOTS (integrated or from external pods), modern glass cockpit with a single large MFD, or multiple smaller MFDs, etc.KF-21 very clearly hits every single requirement to be considered a 4.5th gen fighter, to even imply it is 4th gen means you have no idea what the difference is between 4th and 4.5th gens.
>>65600838Quit bumping your shit thread and consult >>65597206
>>65600871>i'm retarded and can't defend my position so I have to attack you for being a "redditor" and a "gookbot"Again, either admit you have no idea what the difference is between 4th and 4.5th gen, or just admit you're here to bait. There really is no other alternative; you're a shit stirrer, or you're retarded. Take your pick.
>>65600838>AESA radar, modern datalinks (Link-16), IRST/EOTS (integrated or from external pods), modern glass cockpit with a single large MFD, or multiple smaller MFDs, etc.the kf-21 currently has none of that
>>65600919Lollmao evenThe KF-21 has all of thatAPY-016K AESA radarHanwha Systems Electro-Optical Targeting Pod Skyward-K Infra-Red Search and Track (IRST) systemLink-K terminal (Link-16)ARINC 818 Multi-Function Display
>>65600923>makes up fake wishlistlel. come back when you actually sell some
>>65600938ROKAF already bought 120 jets (40 Block I and 80 Block II) but even on the export market KAI could sell a grand total of zero and it would still be a great jet since the ROKAF have to replace their F-4/F-5 fleets today, and the F-16/F-15 fleets within a decade or two.KF-21 is the perfect solution, build domestic industry experience, keeps the vast majority of the money inside the local economy, and keeps sustainment contract value largely in the local economy as well. Not to mention there are obviously interested export customers too.
>>65598210>I don't even get why people jumped to KoreaA fuck ton of production capacity (you'll get your ships sooner) and willingness to adjust to your crap.
>>65600874>>65600923>>65600944Not the person you were talking to. Your posting is just obvious. Now, fuck off
>>65601113> i still have no way to actually defend my statement so I still have to just call you a redditorWow, you've really convinced me you're arguing from an angle based in facts and reality.
>>65601183The post is from before you made the argument you dipshit. You gooks are supposed to be good at math.
>>65597092Japan started in like 1944.IHI built the engine, airframe was done by Subaru (Nakajima) though.
