I have noticed that, compared to most other major gunmakers, Beretta tends to get overlooked and not talked about as much. They tend to produce guns at a quality level comparable to companies like H&K and FNH but tend to run slightly cheaper than comparable options. The 2 biggest flops they have had that come to mind are the PX4 and ARX 100. I have handled the PX4 before, and for the life of me I cannot figure out how it did not catch on. It has all the features and reliability of the M9/92 in a lightweight polymer frame. The subcompact is about the same size as a Ruger LCR and holds 13+1 rounds of 9mm. I remember this gun getting featured in Watch Dogs as Aiden's main pistol, and for the flaws that game did have, I do have to compliment whoever picked it, as it is 1000% the kind of gun someone like that would carry back in the 2000s. In the end though, it never really did catch on, and I am not even sure they still make them anymore. I just don't get why they didn't catch on.I can't remember exactly why the ARX100 didn't catch on as a while ago, but I do remember it being very big at the time and talked about like the Bushmaster ACR, yet it seemed to go nowhere.I am just wondering why Beretta can't seem to catch on in the US like Sig and FN have.
>>65590773Hollywood typecast them as the Beretta 92, occasionally the 84 but, only in the hands of womens so it looks like it was the 92 anyways.Then they gayed up the lines of the 92 while improving it but, people only really care to get 'that movie gun'.
>>65590773They make some of my favorite guns>arx100>pmxs>cx4>px4>px4 subcompact>cougar>a300
>>65590773Pretty sure they still make PX4 compacts/fullsize but they're being put on the backburner. The subcompact was completely discontinued, RIP, but I love that gun to death.
>>65590791I got lucky then as I just found one in a pawnshop for like $300. Having a hard time finding mags though.
>>65590773>I can't remember exactly why the ARX100 didn't catch on as a while ago, but I do remember it being very big at the time and talked about like the Bushmaster ACR, yet it seemed to go nowhere.Thats not my recollection. Nobody gave a shit from start to finish, which is why they were discounted down to 800 and still can be had for ~1100-1200 (msrp of 2k, btw). By all accounts they're pretty nice and aren't nearly as big in the hand as they look, but you cant make people care.
>>65590801Nice. But yeah they've gone up in price online for the most part. Also I'm a sucker for the mags that snap out for extra grip room.
Are you kidding me? Tons of bird hunters use Beretta shotguns. Not talked about by who, larpers?
>>65590806Premium hunting shotguns aren't exactly a huge market anymore. They are high quality, don't get me wrong, but the problem is a modern 870 or 500 does the same job for like $300 vs $1000 for a Beretta, and honestly, I feel like most people willing to spend premium money on a shotgun would opt for a Benelli over a Beretta unless they are more interested in something ornate over functional. Not that they are not quality, but only fudds bother with wood anymore imho.
>>65590821>but only fudds bother with wood anymoreThe more people keep repeating that, the more it gets accepted as irrefutable fact. Then behavior stemming from that belief follows
beretta doesnt make excellent guns. youll have people arguing glock #1 sig number one 1911 best gun. m4 best gun ak best rifle. beretta makes an assult rifle?(yeah it does and they arent bad buy nobody cares) people will argue mini14s being better than ars or just as good before mentioning beretta. beretta isnt horrible people will agree yeah the 92fs is top 5 or top 10 but its never number 1. cause people can prove that. you might not agree what the best gun is but you can agree its not the beretta. shotguns are another concept but nobody in north america gives a fuck about shotguns and will happily buy a mav 88 cause its cheap.making 3rd best at a high price where the best part is looks or being a special snowflake that didnt want to buy the good gun isnt the road to success.
>>65590773A fucking firearms manufacturer has been on this planet for twice as long.
>>65590856>but nobody in north america gives a fuck about shotguns and will happily buy a mav 88 cause its cheap.Not everyone is on food stamps and section 8 like you are anon, stop projecting
>>65590859even people who care wont have berreta as top pick.
>>65590773Imagine Tullio Marengoni shrieking from the grave at the thought of a closed-top slide.
>>65590773Beretta is the boring plain girl of gun manufacturers
>>65590867Per OP:>I am just wondering why Beretta can't seem to catch on in the US like Sig and FN have.No one til you was talking about how _________ has to be a "top pick" in order to matter.
>>65590899not being the top contender but good enough to be considered good enough is exactly why their guns dont catch on. nobody cares about top 5-10 when top 3 exist. people might ignore top 3 and go for bottom of the barrel when broke but beretta isnt for the poor.
>>65590899I was just using them as an example of comparable manufacturers. My point is I feel like if you asked most people to list out the gun manufacturers they can think of most people would think of a company like Taurus or Canik before they would think of Beretta yet they have the potential to be a top manufacturer.>>65590856Honestly, I would say in terms of quality they are doing better than Sig right now. I would put their build quality up there with a company like H&K almost they don't make bad guns. It's just that no one seems to buy them for some reason, and they get overlooked.
>>65590909>they don't make bad guns. It's just that no one seems to buy them for some reason, and they get overlooked.i didnt say they make bad guns. top 10 is in no way bad.but is exactly that area that gets overlooked.
>>65590773I just want a black M9A4 with good quality control but those two things will never happen. Or the Cougar to come back.
Why have they not redesigned this?
>>65590773>Hey guys, one of the most popular brands on this board is underappreciated, overlooked, and not talked about much.Is this your first week here? This site talks about Beretta as often as Reddit talks about CZ.>>65590791>The subcompact was completely discontinuedBecause it wasn't a real PX4. The full-size and compact are rotating barrel actions; the subcompact had a tilting barrel action.
>>65590917I wish they would, it's one of the only sci-fi looking guns I ever liked
its appropriately rated
>>65590773>I have handled the PX4 before, and for the life of me I cannot figure out how it did not catch onIIRC, it was introduced right around the time the US Army was shooting shitty ammo through their M9s and blaming Beretta. That incident alone had a massive impact on Beretta's standing in the US, even though it was over 20 years ago now.
>>65590917My friend has one.It feels like a straight up toys-r-us toy.
Why did Beretta soup up the 92 to become the 92x/94x? Wouldn't the PX4 be a better platform to make into their shootiest gun? Imagine a PX4 with a steel frame, frame-mounted safety, optimized ergonomics, all the good stuff.
>>65591225>Why did Beretta soup up the 92 to become the 92x/94x? Wouldn't the PX4 be a better platform to make into their shootiest gun?decision of like 12 guys in italy, they were catering to their high level IPSC/competitive shooters plus the PX4 is not popular with anybody other than intelligent discerning gentlemen
>>65590773>why Beretta can't seem to catch on in the US like Sig and FN have.The 92FS was the US Military sidearm for 30 yearsThe fuck do you mean they don't catch on?
>>65590867For clays and bird hunting, the silver pigeon is the gold standard against which practically all other o/u shotguns are compared. DT11 is probably one of the winningest clay guns of all time and if you’ve competed at a decent level, you’ve owned a DT11 at some point. Clay shooting and bird hunting is some of the most fun you can have behind a trigger. But you sound poor as fuck and a little dumb, so you’d never know.
>>65590773>They tend to produce guns at a quality level comparable to companies like H&K and FNHWith significantly more variation in quality compared to those brands.>I have handled the PX4 before, and for the life of me I cannot figure out how it did not catch on. It looks retarded and ugly.>I can't remember exactly why the ARX100 didn't catch on as a while ago, but I do remember it being very big at the time and talked about like the Bushmaster ACR, yet it seemed to go nowhere.The ACR also went nowhere. Same as all the other 5.56 NotARs looking for a problem to solve.
I’m the only person who thinks the px4 is sexy
>>65590773Lack of support for products that aren’t shotguns in the US market. Where’s my interchangeable barrels in multiple calibers you euro-cucks?
>>65591354He probably means in terms of civilian usage. I don't get how SIG is so popular with the 320 or even 365 with however many millions of those are around.
Beretta is for uncs stuck in the early 2000s
>>65590917These things are BASED.
I like my not-a-sg550. Beretta stuff is solid to great. Only occasionally do they put out garbage.
>>65590773I keep seeing the PX4 in /hg/ and all I can think is its the ugliest fuckin gun I've ever seen.
>>65590773Beretta fans understand a well made steel gun that works perfectly is just a gun and not an identity or something to dedicate your time to shill about, and they aren't the type of person to ass blast someone elitist style for liking glocks or rugers.>>65590856easy argument to be made that the 92 and the 84 are the nicest guns to shoot in their calibers. "good" is too general to have a meaningful discussion over guns. The 1911 is liked for being iconic and the glocks are liked for being a good platform to copy and buy shit for. People like berettas because they are nice to shoot akin to porsches being nice to drive. You don't buy a beretta to slap a bunch of shit on it you buy it to shoot.
>>65591589>Beretta fans >steel gunwhat cope is this? just cause its metal doesnt make it steel
>>65591595ok cool
>Unless militaries, police, and larpers are talking about it, it's no goodI hate this new reality. 15 years ago hardly anyone's mindset revolved around militaries, now it's everyone it seems like
>>65591699>15 years ago hardly anyone's mindset revolved around militariesThis is not true, and you know it.
>>6559169916 years ago was modern warfare and black opsyour either too young or just blind
>>65590918What's with the reddit obsession with CZ?
>>65590803It's mostly because that entire conversion kit concept they had for them just.. never happened. It was the same problem that the ACR had, only the ARX100 didn't even appear in a video game to get that section of the market to buy it.
>>65591720Fine, 20 years ago. I was an adult then too
>>65591709Sure thing buddy
>>65591894well because back then it was mostly fudds so you gotta pick your poison there on high speed min maxing larpers or them
>>65591720Someone mentions the military and out come the videogames. I suppose taking cover from a machinegun behind a chainlink fence is your ideal level of realism.
>>65591490How come yours looks cool but when I see one in the hand of a midget terroni in the train station it looks like shit?
>>65591513The cx4 is honestly great. I keep coming back to it. Plus it looks cool if you're into berettas polymer fish gun look
>>65591970I hold nothing against polymer, but I feel it's overused in modern firearms, give me a bit of heft to my guns both for psychological as well as practical reasons such as easier recoil management.
>>65591970Did they ever make a .40 version that takes 96a1 mags? I know they had both 92 and px4 mag versions
>>65591860Being contrarian, Reddit fanboys over CZ to not be those guys who fanboy over Glock.>>65591894I'm not the guy you responded to here, but dude, this military/tactical obsession started in the early 90s and was commonplace by 2004-2008.>>65591898I get you weren't old enough to buy guns back then, but in 2011 the obsession over ARs, strikerslop handguns, ACOGs vs. holographic sights, plate carriers, etc. was already here. Tacticool, Tier 1 unit worship, and GWOT veteran worship was everywhere too. Before being influencers, all the vetbros tried starting companies with their vetbro status; lots of training companies (with dogshit instructors) and security companies (that employed many dishonorably discharged dudes) popped up out of nowhere with their only attempt at marketing being "support me, I am a combat vet."
>>65590803Supposedly also surprisingly lightweight too
>>65590803>By all accounts they're pretty nice and aren't nearly as big in the hand as they lookSo you're hacking 2nd and 3rd hand accounts? Lol.I've handled several. It's light, but it is incredibly bulky and tall for a 5.56 rifle.
>>65592013I do agree with you tbdesu>>65592014IIRC there is one like that but I never tried it
>>65591225>derpthe Px4 was developed from and shares operating mechanism with an earlier Beretta pistolEveryone itt is a nogunz zoomlennial brainlethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_8000
>>65592229The cougar is great.
>>65590773WTF are you talking about? /hg/ is constantly sucking their dick.
>>65591699I guess the 1911 was no good then, huh?
>>65592249Outside of LTT and /hg/ nobody likes the px4
>>65592470Stretch Armstrong over here.>>65592480Why I never
>>65592480>LTTis the only reason the Px4 is even mentioned on /k/, pleddit, YouTube for the past decade(There are many, many other substantial reasons to use, like and advocate in favor of the Px4 besides 'muh boutique trigger' and fedoratipping simpJappics)
>>65592480LLT?
>>65590773>underappreciatedIt's literally a duty carry gun in the military...
>>65592912Entire website is nogunz 13-year-old video gamers, anon.
>>65590773beretta dick riders are like those clowns that wear supreme to have "drip". ultimately a mask to hide their faggotry and desire for belonging in a niche group
>>65594966yeah i suck beretta penis desu
I worked for them once, theyre a shithole with boomer management behavor and their barrels rust because they pay niggers $18/hr and work them 50+ hours a week so its a constant rotation of "new hires"and the italian owners are cocky assholes who think they’re better than any American but know they have to have their fake and gay factory here to be berry compliment.tl;dr they made good guns in the past, but the people who designed and engineered those guns have been dead for 20+ years and you can only coat tail for so long so they get what they getthe job itself was fine but when the italian faggot brass rolled in they were insufferable, they make great shotguns tho. everything else is junk and deprecated
>>65595202well not rust, but the chrome flakes and blows out. I think its still an issue. It was when I worked for them atleast but I worked in the TN plant, we only made m9/92fs and shotguns. maryland made their tuppershit handguns and the 922r crap for the ARX, which is a piece of shit
>>65595212I have a Brigadier, the chrome did flake and blow out over the course of 500 rounds. Its my first pistol so I kept thinking it was unburnt powder until I went to clean it and saw the erosion. So I threw even more money towards a silver jarvis barrel because Im actually 7 and I want a samurai edge instead of doing the smart thing and just trading it in for a walther pdp. Still I compete with this, I can put all my shots on paper, the .22 conversion kit works perfectly and it just feels good. My advice? Get one from Italy, no offense to you guys in Tennessee but the QC is no good
>>65590895Yeah, the one who FUCKS!
>>65591513So are you gonna chop and thread that thing or what?
>>65595351Based Apache case appriciater.
>>65590773Beretta is up-class keltec and I’m tired of pretending they’re not.
>why is [thing i want to talk about] so underappreciated????
>>65595437>Beretta, oldest continuously running gun company on earth with 500+ years of history >Also now the largest firearms corporation after going from a small Italian company to a global corporation after their successful 92FS/M9 contract vskeltec which has never gotten any large contracts from agencies or governments
>>65595846>keltec which has never gotten any large contracts from agencies or governmentsYet... Sooner or later they are going to make something useful enough or some 3rd world military looking for cheap but modern guns will end up going with them.
>>65595437>>65595846>>65596086>mentioning beretta and kek-crap in same phrase
>>65590773They're not. If anything they're overrated. The only great gun they've ever made is the 92 family, and even then more than half the models stray into male-menopausal-mid-life-crisis-wearing-a-ferrari-polo-and-cap-while-driving-your-ferrari categoryI wish I had bought an old 92 for my only Beretta, though I do love the Px4 in .40 it is NOT the gun that Ernest faggot would have you believe. Beretta is a brand for noguns becoming hasguns for the first time, and everyone should start and stop at the 92. Beretta stans want desperately to believe that paying $2.5k for a silver pigeon means that they make top-tier style guns, and they do not. Like so many things Italian they just gesticulate enthusiastically and passionately about everything, and are for people who get tricked by middle-managers who speak with confidence and authority despite saying nothing but bluff and bullshit
>>65590773My basic 92FS has flat spots on the side of the barrel and the hole at the front of the slide isn't even centered. 500 years and can't make a tube.
>>65597833Where was it made?
>>65596086To be fair, French special forces were spotted using KSGs. Odd choice, but interesting.Makes me feel like I need to apologize to Black Ops 2.
>>65590773>It's fat>Didn't nail the back strap swapping >Seethe about slide safety >Self competing against the 92 instead of striker guns Have a px4 subcompact and it's kind of useless. Doesn't have the main selling point of the rotating barrel, accuracy isn't anything special, and it's as wide as a duty gun. Whole line feels like it's at 105% scale like an incorrectly sized gun in a videogame. The 92 compact is a shitload bigger but I'd rather have one but don't because I just have a 92fs which they just can't beat for what it does.
>>65590773Every gun they have made in decades is ugly. All of them.>ARX100Is genuinely a great gun and what everyone wanted at the time. Nobody even considered it because it's ugly.>Tactical tobleronedied of ugliness>PX4So ugly everyone thinks it's fake.It's actually that simple. The 92fs looks good and is successful. The rest of their modern lineup looks like trash, so nobody buys them. The first way people experience a gun is seeing it, and they don't bother to look any deeper when they see something that looks bad. I don't know why Italians of all people need told that aesthetics matter, but holy shit Beretta needs to get it together.
>>65590773>PX4the fact that these parts don't line up on the full size triggers my autism. you are so close what is even the point
>>65597861the subcompact is a fun gun and looks cool but it's outdated as fuck>>65597898i like em both but my soul is stuck in some shitty early 2000s scifi movie
beretta pmx, whatever happened there...
>>65590773the 92 and their shotguns are fantastic, but everything else they make is mediocre at best desu
>>65599856They make the best semiauto shotguns in relation to price. Everything else they make is great but there are so many great guns these days it's hard to seriously fuck up.
>>65590917Personally I like mine
>>65590909I would not put them on par with h&k unless we're comparing their cheaper models and even then, were not talking apples to apples. If beretta would produce the 92 series in 10mm that would be cool. If they would make a bullpup pcc that would be cool. If they would make more spaghetti western weapons like their stampede that would be cool. And for the record i carry a 92A1 and i love the arx100 in spite of its stubby chonk factor. But they are not h&k nor are they benelli. But their customer service is about on par with both of them so who knows, maybe someday they will be.
>>65595846There is no reason to boast about a government choosing to arm one of their military branches or police force with any one manufacturer. Those competitions are a money laundering corrupt pay to play waste of taxpayer dollars and you know it. Seldom if ever do they land quite by accident im sure, on the right weapon.t. knower of how the us army didnt get more stealthy or efficient when they switched from acus to bdus and noone became a better shot after they moved from the m9 to the news sigs.
>>65601888Oh fuck yeah i got fuckin trips. Nnnnngh yeah, got some trips on deck niggies witness my digits. Compare your lives to mine and then kys yourselves because im rollin deep with 8s and you cant touch me now that ive acsended. Beretta is fine and just buy what you want. /k/ is a board of piece. Fuck you crummypaws i will fucking end you.
>>65590779I have a 92x and it is definitely funny looking, but it's a really good gun and feels/points right to me.
>>65601873>If beretta would produce the 92 series in 10mm that would be cool.It can barely handle .40 S&W. LOL>If they would make a bullpup pcc that would be cool.Does HK make one? Seeing as how you're saying it's a must for them to be on par with each other.>INB4 "the MP7"Mag-in-grip =/= bullpup.>But they are not benelli.Beretta is not Benelli; they simply own Benelli.
>98 postsNogunz thread
>>65590773Richard Donner's blockbuster film Lethal Weapon disagrees with you.honestly it might have to do with the army using clapped out M9 during GWOT. i think they're bee-you-tee-full tho
>>65595846>keltec which has never gotten any large contracts from agencies or governmentsLarper
>>65602067Go plant your butthurt and niggerdom elsewhere, dildo. I got fuckin trips.
>>65601873>>65604085>"Retarded babble" -guy with tripschecks out.
>>65590773the suffer the same as GrandPower or Steyr. Immense market momentum. Steyr dropped their unique line to move onto a mass produced consumable hand gun. why? depsite the guns being fucking cool, they missed the mark in a few areas.MAYA- Most Advanced Yet Acceptable. It applies to appliances, guns, and cars.
