This debate is dividing the Internet. Who would win?
we already had this thread>>65577986
>>65591268Seems to me that most people who chose Europe did so because they are racists.And the people who chose Africa did so because they dont want to be seem as racists.Most of this debate boils down to culture-war slop.
>>65591279>Most of this debate boils down to culture-war slop.Well that's basically every debate online, but what's the realistic answer on who would win?
I chose africa because, while they may not have much in terms of an air force, 1939 europe had fuck all for an air force and even less of an armored force, whereas even cold war AA guns could shred 1939-era tanks, much less planes, not to mention that modern jets could just lob bombs and cruise missiles beyond AA range beyond AA range
>>65591268Define "win".
Africa launches land offensives through Turkey and the Balkans, nothing can stop Algerian T90s let alone Egyptian M1s, so Africa no doubt.
>>65591552Africa doesnt have the logistics to support any significant offensive into Europe. Especially since you'll have the entire fucking Red Army meeting them in Turkey, the Italians, Brits, Frogs and Germans running around North Africa. Modern Africa is not on a war footing whereas 1939 Europe is. Additionally, 90% of African countries will be complete logistical baggage or outright detriments to the war. Furthermore, even the solid African powers dont have the manufacturing base to sustain any kind of total war. The last thread was gay, this thread is gay, OP sucks dick furiously.
>>65591268Europe. Anyone who says otherwise is brown or otherwise delusional.>>65591279The reality is 1939's production capability is unmatched in all history except for 1940s America. Africa buys equipment from other continents. Europe will suffer many losses, but the will eventually win.
>>65591562>you'll have the entire fucking Red Army meeting them in Turkey, the Italians, Brits, Frogs and Germans running around North AfricaNone of these had AT guns that could pierce a T90 or M1 in 1939. They’ll roll over whatever they encounter.
>>65591552>nothing can stop Algerian T90s let alone Egyptian M1sMassed field guns and dive bombing.
>>65591586>Tracks can withstand multiple 85, 77 and 75mm HE hits
>>65591281Depends on how highly you value tech gaps. At the very least Africans are armed with AK's while Europe is still fielding bolt actions and sub guns. Also depends on which African nation you choose to represent all of Africa, tribal warlords? Or do South Africa and Egypt count? Egypt has Abrams, s-300's, BUK's and f-16's. Morrocco is requesting F35 training. Which European nations? All of them? At their 1939 levels including recent wars? Then you have to decide what the "win" conditions are. Likely nobody even thought of it and, as anon pointed out, it was designed for chest thumping by an asshurt fag lamenting the decline of le west so they can jerk off about the good ol' days.
>>65591592Ww2 antitank gun ranges are maxing out at 2k meters for heavy, 77's are about 1k and they sure as hell aren't sniping treads at that. Abrams and t-90 are good for 3-4k. >inb but the crews will suck and make mistakes my side will 100% capitalize onAt what point do we just agree to disagree if every tech advancement is hand waved away by "nuh uh [my guy] would out skill it"
>>65591627There is still the infantry problem. WW2 infantry is ready to throw explosives at a tank as it rolls by and if it throws a track while surrounded by hostile infantry, it's in trouble even if nothing on the field can penatrate it. Modern African infantry is uh... sometimes professional-ish. Sometimes trained. Sometimes willing to actually shoot guns at opposing infantry. Often none of the above.
>>65591627And when the tanks are outnumbered 15 to 1?
South Africa can enrich its uranium and make basic bitch nukes. Africa just needs to drop a few on Berlin, Paris, and London and Europe sues for peace.
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>>65591698I assume the South Africans that would actually be capable of doing that would be siding with Europe.
>>65591268Most of Africa would starve without aid and degenerate to an early iron age level withing a few generations. >africa building working ICBMs without foreign aidGood joke and the Boers and other white South Africans would immediately join Europe so it wouldn't take long until the tech gap is gone.
>>65591682It doesn't have to roll by, just demolish the anti-tank guns from twice their effective then move forward with the rest of the military under complete air superiority. I'm not going to play the game of "my side gets to use everything at once and the other has to send only tanks" either. Which African militaries? I doubt Egypt and SA would be vastly different than any of the conscripts of Europe regarding "sometimes proffesional" wgen you have to take the good with the bad just like Africa would have to. Difference being, howong do those conscripts keep up the professionalism when they're facing serious overmatch of tech. Modern radios alone would make troop movement and coordination almost hilariously lopsided especially if it isnjust European powers lugging around vacuum tube radios powered by giant batteries and hand cranks.>>65591682It could be 50 to 1 and wouldn't matter if the tanks can sit back and vaporize the guns from twice their engagement range
>>65591730What happens when those tanks run out of ammo? Or spare parts? Or fuel?
do africans even have the ability to produce guns and ammo?i know south africa and egypt but the rest of it???
>>65591627>Railway bombardment keeps tanks in egypt>Don't even get past British Palestine before lack of maintenance and spare parts vs operating hours grinds any tank offensive to a complete halt
>>65591736Egypt's middle east innit? I remember them releasing an official statement a few years back that blacks need to stop pretending they're Egyptians because Egypt is not inhabited by Africans and hasn't been for a long ass time.
>>65591268Europe, obviously. I think 1939 Europe could probably beat 2026 Europe.
>>65591268Where are they fighting, and with what goals?
Who would win 2026 Europe or 1939 Africa?
>>65591790Does 1939 Africa get their colonial resources?
>>65591552lol the slop picture is bait i assume? literally says effective from the side. just like any other tank to. direct frontal peneration is always rare and hard. also thirdy tourist think penetration is the only why to disable a enemy tank
>>65591268Love when basic intelligence tests come out and 22% fail outright.
>>65591813Those guns were midwar German AT guns. In 1939, available AT calibers were all <50mm i.e. literal paint scratchers on these tanks, or WW1 field artillery shooting low velocity AT shells like the French 75.
>>65591586>nooooo, you must have my gay Twitter thread!!
>>65591698lmfao no it can't, 2026's South Africa is a dysfunctional shithole which struggles to keep the lights on 7 days a week. They would never be able to build the infrastructure necessary like they could 60 years ago.
US in Iran has already shown that having modern weapons means jack shit if you can't get any boots on the ground to capitalize on the opportunities they make. Without fail, every time the Africans have attempted to take a fight outside of Africa they job.
>>65591966>>65591969That's a Youtube poll.
>>65591268Fuck Off OP, you tried this shit already.
>>65591713I'm not sure that you want to get into ethnic divisions in 1939 Europe.
>>65591715African militaries have proven, if nothing else, that they are perfectly able and willing to keep fighting as normal while their civilian populace starves. Hell some of them even have a habit of going scorched earth on their own soil.
>>65591715>Good joke and the Boers and other white South Africans would immediately join EuropeIf we start talking about ethnic tensions then it isn't exactly a good look for Europe here.
>>65591279>they are racistsAnd? Your point?
>>65592175Facts dont care about your (racist) feelings.
>let's just assume that one side will be cut from supplies they actually have and can afford but the other won't >let's also assume it will be a war of attrition that will go on forever, despite vast technology gap >yes, one side will gladly launch waves of suicide missions hoping that the enemies run out of missiles eventually>of course the one of the most capable subgroups will just switch sides>yes also one side will make every mistake possible but the other will make noneThis kind of debate requires enough good faith to not just tweak the scenario for the benefit of your guys so if culture war shit is involved it makes no sense.
>>65592245>let's just assume that one side will be cut from supplies they actually have and can afford but the other won'tStopped reading there.
>>65591279
>>65591777>Continent of africa teleported to 1939 >Like grain export interruption causing mass famine during Ukraine x9000 >Gib>Nyet >Mediterranean becomes war between dreadnoughts vs bluewater navy cruisers with handful of cruise missiles >Kriegsmarine submarines blowing up merchant ships >Spain and Middle East become war corridors >Modern resources and severed supply lines vs interwar buildup It's really just an argument about if egypt and Algeria can fight the Soviet union and axis and bongs Egypt has 200 airframes in active service at any given time. it's functionally the new argument of large drone spam vs airplanes in the air war with the win condition resource exhaustion after the Lancaster's keep coming when the mirage2000s are dry.
>>65592021Fat difference.
>>65591268If you thought these twitter retards were dumb, take a look at this
>>65592885oh no, the retard number keeps getting bigger.
>>655928852 legions and plus auxiliary would easily take modern somalia
>>65592972Sure if you think legions could withstand guns
>>65591268The real answer, is neither in the sort term and europe after a few decades.Africa doesn't have the logistics to invade Europe.Europe can't invade either because 1939 tech has no answer for modern aviation and anti ship missiles.European aviation doesn't stand a chance against modern planes, but Africa is incapable of producing modern munitions, so the playing field will level somewhat over time, with neither side being able to bomb the other back into the stone age.So it will be a stalemate while European scientists speedrun modern tech with captured African equipment in a desperate rush to right the historic wrong of niggers being more technologically advanced than white people.
>>65593044>a few decadesAfrica would be attrited out of existence in a few very short years. They cannot manufacture anything capable of resisting WWII aircraft, tanks or even warships.
All it takes is an EU recon group to kidnap an englishman in South Africa with an Iphone/laptop/computer and have him spill his beans for land in 1939 europe (which makes me wonder how long until most Whites in South Africa defect). BAM! Access to ALL knowledge, history of modern firearms/ballistics/power generation/enriching uranium/rockets/engineering/even this fucking thread...Hell I bet they could even mount a force and take Western Nambia as a staging/manufacturing front without the rest of Africa even knowing. Go "requisition" or offer gold for some CNC machines from S.Africa. Get the R&D boys to upscale and send back notes/captured machines.
>>65593052Or produce enough food to maintain their population.
>>65591268The reality is that even degraded cold war era strike capabilities can put immense pressure on governments and force people to the negotiating table. With that in mind, it is extremely unlikely that Britain, Italy and the Soviets remain in the conflict for long.
>>65593044>European scientists speedrun modern tech with captured African equipmentAnon, I don't think you know what you are saying.The people of 2026 might as well be extraterrestrials to the people of 1939.
>>65592885Modern Somalia is perhaps the least functional nation and society on the entire planet. Guns would give them a lot of initial advantage over the Romans, but that shit isn't gonna last, best I know Somalia does not produce any firearms or ammunition of their own (at least anymore), nor fuel.That'd be a sick haymaker on the Romans at first, but they'd inevitably turn it around because they had a functioning economy and actually knew how to military, and they'll learn as they go.
>>65591713>Boers get nukesPossible.>Boers ally with the Brits...
>>65593067Neither can Europe, so it's all good.
>>65593010Oh, there's gonna be a LOT of legionaries who'll be turned to Swiss Cheese at first, absolutely, and it's gonna be fucking terrifying for the Romans at first.But Somalia doesn't produce ammunition and need to source it externally, and they don't really know what logistics are in any meaningful sense. Remember, this is one of the most inbred populations in the world today, they are a big broad rabble of basically tribals and warlord groups.Shit is gonna break down and come to a halt for the Somalians.>>65593075It'd be straight impossible for 2026 South Africa to put together a functioning nuclear weapon without heavy foreign aid. As for Britain, I think the white population left in South Africa today would probably much rather side with 1939 Britain over whatever passes for their own government, they probably want them dead WAY less.
>>65593076In 1939? Not fighting each other? Russia probably, since we're presumably cutting out the Lend Lease, but you don't have all the countries fighting each other in this scenario.
>>65591268>2026 Africa vs 1939 EuropeAfrica will starve.>2026 Africa vs 1914 EuropeAfrica will starve.>2026 Africa vs medieval EuropeAfrica will starve.>2026 Africa vs stone age EuropeAfrica will starve.>2026 Africa vs Europe before humans settled it some 40k years agoAfrica. Will. Starve.THEY IMPORT MOST OF THEIR FOOD FROM EUROPE
>>65593080Real bummer for them that they ruined South Africa and Rhodesia, huh?
>>65593078>It'd be straight impossible for 2026 South Africa to put together a functioning nuclear weapon without heavy foreign aid.They have a nuclear reactor, physics departments, piles of fissile material and computers. They can manage a physics package of a few kilos.Remember that Nth Country was run in 1964, it's probably not nearly as hard to do 60 years down the line with an entire country's resources behind it. The rest is 1940s metallurgy and material science, which they should be perfectly capable of.
>>65593091Are the white Europeans in South Africa going to do that for their government though?
>>65593078>But Somalia doesn't produce ammunition and need to source it externallyEven fucking ragtag militia groups and non state actors can produced makeshift weapons/ammo, this is the romans we are talking about, you don't need modern industrial output.
>>65593114What resources and industry do Somalia have readily available in their own country to produce smokeless powder or casings with? Blackpowder is easy, but you're not running automatics with that, and I would not expect Somalian craft BP to be a nice and clean kind.I don't think you appreciate the sheer bottleneck this will be for them.
>>65593091And which part of their population is capable of doing that and maintaining them?
>>65593076Europe in 1939 produces more than enough food to feed itself. Especially without any internal wars.
>>65593075Anon this is all of Europe not just the British and they hate blacks more.
>>65593078There are many millions of rounds in somalia. They do not need to make anything. They can just smash whatever they send in an engagement.>and they don't really know what logistics are in any meaningful sense.That's not really true but whatever.They'd need to send multiple times more men than the somalis have ammunition to win that war, and this simply does not exist in the Empire. You can talk about Cannae or whatever but the romans will take Cannae losses every single time they engage.
>>65593133This is also ignoring that the Somalis have tanks, vehicles, artillery, etc. You can go on about their effectivness in using it but it isn't exactly hard to obliterate a formation of melee infantry with these things, so if you say they're not capable of doing it you're just being a romaboo.
>>65593122This hypothetical conflict wouldn't go on long enough to the point where they would actively struggle to produce any more guns. Somalia was under an arms embargo for decades yet guns circulated just fine.
>>65593113>>65593129All of the theoretical work on Nth country was done by 3 people. You can find 3 people who can and will do in in a country of over 60 million. You can surely find 3 niggers with physics degrees in a majority black country.
>>65593129>>65593113This guy can definitely do it.
>>65591586they have a lot of bombers
>>65593167which will surely be able to reach their target to drop bombs in contested airspace
>>65593169Contested by what? There is not one single country in Africa that can indigenously produce the materials required to service even a first generation jet aircraft. How many bombers will each African aircraft shoot down before it crashes on takeoff? No number you can say is high enough. WWII already involved the loss of tens of thousands of aircraft on both sides.
>>65593276>There is not one single country in Africa that can indigenously produce the materials required to service even a first generation jet aircraft.there are multiple
>>65593283Name their production facilities.
>Bolt actions vs AKsWe have seen this before
>>65593154>>65593091>Surely iq curves are even like the politically correct aggregate for average iq, so for every 55 iq there must be a 140The left and right side of most population bell curves aren't even for any race or sex, there are different ratios that generate their average. Now could there be 1/1 actual le black science man with the highest bound of iq ever recorded willing to tard wrangle an entire society into a nuclear program? And not be the wrong ethnic tribal group to avoid being hotel Rwanda'd? At functionally a pre industrial level due to global supply networks? Then to deliver with what airframe? All assuming complete and total opsec of modern concepts too so the yakubians can't speedrun tube computers or use heavy water for more than a reactor test within the same period.
Africa hasn't the logistics to sustain it's own industry as it is.the bits whit the industry aren't the bits with the raw resources or are on the complete other side of Africa from where the finished good would have to be used.and there's the kicker, Africa doesn't have an integrated logistics network. you put it on a barge (they don't make those) or a train (they don't make those) and send it to the coast to load it onto a boat (they don't make those or the cranes to load them).so your very real, very functioning shell factory in Egypt would need gas from Algeria or Nigeria, you can't build an LNG terminal or a LNG tanker and building a pipe line that far isn't possible domestically. so without the energy it needs your shell production stops.Europe in 1939 has very dense water ways with connecting channels.a very dense rail network with a lot of trains that they build themselves.tons of maritime trade going back and forth on ships they produce.the more modern African nations can rage for a few months, curb stomp some divisions into dust and then when they need to resupply find out that it will take them years to unfuck their industries. and that's plenty of time for Europe to get it's act together.
>>65593359iq doesn't matter, anon.There are people with physics degrees, people with engineering degrees, people with management skills. You will find enough people to run a nuclear program among 65 million citizens.Your thinking is flawed. You don't need lots of very smart guys to build a nuke in 2026. You need the resources to do it, a research budget and someone who has run a research team before.Again, 3 random fresh PhDs figured it out in 1964. These weren't exceptional people, they were people who were loyal and lucked their way into a fun postdoc project. Dobson, Pipkorn and Seldon were nobodies who held physics PhDs but knew nothing about nuclear science.It's not that hard to build a nuke if you have the stuff.>Now could there be 1/1 actual le black science man with the highest bound of iq ever recorded willing to tard wrangle an entire society into a nuclear program?There is, it's this guy >>65593157. You can check his credentials for yourself.>At functionally a pre industrial level due to global supply networks? South Africa is notably a country that withstood the strain of a comparably severe embargo.>Then to deliver with what airframe? How about a Gripen or a C130?>All assuming complete and total opsec of modern concepts too so the yakubians can't speedrun tube computers or use heavy water for more than a reactor test within the same period.In 1939 nobody had even achieved criticality, let alone considered building a nuclear weapon.
>>65593507>South Africa is notably a country that withstood the strain of a comparably severe embargo.When it was ruled by whom?
>>65593512>When it was ruled by whom?What makes you think the person in the chair matters? It's about infrastructure and institutions, which are better now than they were back then.
>>65593141Because they were smuggled in from the outside not because they produced them.
The EU ran out of bombs while bombing Lybia, Africa would run out of ordinance in days and they cannot replace them, there isnt a single African nation that can even build a prop plane from scratch, not to mention 1939 European armies several million men strong, only China can enlist those numbers in 2026, Africans simply cant feed themRacists are right
>>65593518South African infrastructure is literally falling apart at the seams.
>>65593548so it's just like the modern US?
>>65591268Turkey is not part of Europe.
>>65593570The part east of the Bosporus is.
>>65593507>Iq doesn't matter >Iq says there are less than 10 black Africans in South Africa with an IQ above 150 vs the 1900 Whites >80 with an IQ over 140 vs 17,000 whites >Iq over 130 to be functionally capable of succeeding in any stem field is 1700 Black South Africans vs 103,000 white South Africans >Akfrikaaners are 7% of population Anon unless they said we redoin aparthied the nuclear program isn't coming back. The three thousandths of one percent of potential world class nuclear theorists, of they exist, not being killed or held hostage for grain imports have a lot on their plate with everything else their country would be facing too, same as the rest of the less than 2000. You can say it's settled science they totally have but South africa has never pulled out the potential nuclear state card ever for a reason. Keeping the reactors online (or safely shutdown) in a time shift situation is an all hands thing in and of itself.
>>65593583Anon, IQ is irrelevant.Research work need grunts with degrees and they have universities pumping those out.>The three thousandths of one percent of potential world class nuclear theoristsI keep telling you, you don't need a world class nuclear theorist. That's the entire point of the Nth country experiment. 3 normal guys with Physics PhDs figured it out in 1964.You are telling me there aren't 3 guys who have a doctorate in Physics in South Africa?
>>65591268>Stalin vs. AfricaHow are leftists meant to know who to root for?
>>65593583Further if anyone was going to go nuclear gambit like everything else militaria it'd be egypt. They have been using test reactors since the 60's and have a plant coming online in ~2027 that'd generate potential fissile material. Or they could buy or coerce it out of South Africa. Egypts human capital is>800 with an IQ above 150 >13,000 with IQ above 140 >140,000 with IQ above 130 For maintaining key critical infrastructure and it's expansion.
>>65593594>>65593583instead of your IQ fantasies, why not just look up many physics and engineering degree holders they have?Back when I got my engineering doctorate, at least half the people there didn't crack the hundred.Also are you assuming egypt is black?Why? You know that WE WUZ KINGZ became a meme, because it wasn't true.
>>65593589There are less than 2000 non persecuted minorities in South Africa capable of doing any form of rote science, engineering, physics, etc. to keep a country that can't maintain 8 hour uptime on it's power grid with access to the world economy from instantly imploding. The nuclear uptime for Egypt leading a "coalition" to develop the bomb is the only realistic avenue here, but it'd really work out to parity with saturation bombing assuming over the same 5-10 year track 1939 European theater sticks to it's own canonical tech progression. The terror weapon element when we know cities were dresdened and the WWII continued unabated is iffy too.
>>65593600>Le black science guy here >Thinks egypt isn't on the continent of africa because they ain't black Anon egypt and Algeria have most of the functional military hardware on the continent
>>65593616anon, if you describe your own methodology as "look at iq distribution and look how bad it looks for nigger", then starting to talk how many high iq people there are in Egypt, it is natural to assume you are using that same method.
>>65593620>Same methodology It is, for Egyptians. In Egypt. Which is in Africa, continent 2 in the Continent vs continent war.
>>65593518>which are better now than they were back then.Oh you're just trolling, boring.
>>65593625but your methodology as described in >>65593359 does not account for Egyptians. Which curve do you use for the Egyptians?Blacks? Hispanics? Whites? East Asians?
>>65593629institutions tend to work better with better means of communication
>>65593645>Sophistry.exe to pretend to not understand there are IQ statistics for ethnicities My stance is South Africa would be in a worse position than it already is in this DBZ Universe tournament pocket dimension. The lack of human capital without or even with going full concentration camp labor on their colored, afrikaaner, and expat population is extreme. Which still puts them behind Egypt by a lot. And if you allow your ncountry concept to apply to Europe in turn... Also >South africa bought 17 total exocet anti ship missiles to arm it's four frigates, estimates are they have like 25 for their total possible armament of 32 >Air launched domestic Raptor missile stock too small to publicly list >Only comparable to battleship vs cruise missile test would be scuttling of the USS America 60's aircraft carrier which took 4 weeks of hits from torpedos, bombs, and ballistic missiles before being conventionally scuttled to actually sink it >Combined kriegsmarine, royal navy, shitaly, and USSR on the table to steam towards Cape Town for a naval bombardment The naval theater where it could reach would be an interesting scenario.
>Soviet black sea fleet threatening alexandria and damietta>Don't fucking do it Ivan we'll build nukes>...what are nukes? >...>nuclear weapons? you threaten us with radiation weapons? >That can level a whole city! so stay out of the Mediterranean >It was only theoretical... an atomic bomb >Ay yo hl up
>>65593557This is disingenuous and you know it, South Africa has regular blackouts (which they've renamed because blackout is "racist"), collapsing bridges, regular potholes, and people just occasionally steal the wiring from power stations to sell as scrap as there is no enforcing of the law beyond private security.
>>65591552The Turkey route is nonesensial that is like 6000km of supply lines. Even if they crossed the seas, Operation Overlord alone took 7000 LSTs + supporting navies and supply shops. Modern day Africa has nowhere near the naval capacity to pull it off. Bsically this anon is correct >>65591562
>>65593808I am extremely sceptical of anyone on the internet trying to convince me that X country is now suddenly experiencing apocalyptic conditions, after all the lies being told about other places.
>>65593827Nobody said anything about "apocalyptic conditions", it's just going downhill and has been for years, and if you don't want to believe anything negative in regards to your sacred cow because that would contradict your preconceived notions then that's your prerogative.
>>65593844>regular blackouts (which they've renamed because blackout is "racist"), collapsing bridges, regular potholes, and people just occasionally steal the wiring from power stations to sell as scrap as there is no enforcing of the law beyond private security.I dunno, this sounds pretty apocalyptic to me.>if you don't want to believe anything negative in regards to your sacred cow I know that south africa is pretty bad don't get me wrong, I just think you're either lying to me or repeating lies told to you.
>>65593849South Africa's grid was designed with the small white minority in mind during the days of Apartheid, after the ANC's rise to power (and their continual hold of power despite rank corruption) they promised an expansion of the power grid because it was woefully inadequate for the task of meeting the entire population's consumption, but despite the promise and a white paper which was almost prophetic in how it predicted South Africa's coming power crisis, effectively nothing was done.
>>65593548>>65593844NtaAnd Europe in 1930s had horse carts, biplanes, political terrorisms, purges, civil wars, and what not, so not sure what you are trying to illustrate here.
>>65593859I honestly can't tell if this is bait because this is /k/ and therefore catastrophically retarded.
>>65592245>everyone on one side are 100% loyal and cooperative, while the other keeps its contemporaneous infighting and instability>what, one side ignited a literal world war that year? well, it doesn't count>>65593080>europe can trade for the resources it'll lack from not having its colonies>africa can't. it just can't, okay?
>>65593866Calm down. No one is going to hurt you. Are you alright?
>>65593885Okay yeah it's bait, got it.
>>65593887Not sure why you are upset, but if your conclusion makes you refind your composure, by all means. Your wellbeing matters more than winning internet arguments.
>>65593519Smuggling isn't strictly required
>>65591268>Who would win?I'd win
>>65593507>iq doesn't matter, anon.
Are we just gonna ignore how brutal weaponized modern civilian vehicles would be on 1939 Europeans?
>>65593518BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>65593859And they functioned perfectly well with that, while South Africa cannot function after being handed tech and equipment decades more advanced.
>>65593879Why are you repeatedly incapable of making a valid point?
>>65595168you like heroes?
>>65592245Fucking THIIIS for fucks sake lmao
>>65595172If being devastated by a war and killing 50 million people, only to have the USA save their asses with Marshal plan is "functioning", African warlordism and UN handouts are "functioning".
>>65593594>>65593616Egypt would be overrun by combined 1939 Europe before they can build a bomb.
>>65595232A war that in this scenario never happens.
>>65595236Ah so we can assume that African tribal disputes, warlordism, civil wars, and tensions that plague Africa today are none existent just as Hitler will hold hands with Chamberlain and Stalin right?Stop moving goalpost. Interwar period Europe was a shithole.
>>65595239You have no point and are desperately reaching. Africa is a shithole because its native population is shit. That is why they would lose even with a technological advantage.Denying it is futile.
>>65595239and 2026 africa is a shitholeall the north african countries have territorial disputes or other little spatsall the arabs think that sub saharans aren't even human there's constant tension and fighting between muslim, christian and animist sub saharans there's also constant ethnic fightingand constant tensions between countries1939 Europe at least had functional alliances even if they where opposed african doesn't have any functional alliances and the african union couldn't even handle building it's own headquarters and outsourced to the chinks who surprise surprise rigged it with so many bugs it's more bug than concrete
>>65591552>nothing can stop Algerian T90s let alone Egyptian M1s, so Africa no doubt.A 150mm howitzer doesn't give a fuck how much composite armor you have , it's going to fuck your shit up royally anyways.
>>65595173Get a grip Francis E. Dec., that's my first post in this thread.
>>65593518>What makes you think the person in the chair matters? Have you actually paid attention to how South Africa has fared for the past 40 years? The argument can certainly be made that Apartheid wasn't fair or ethical, but holy FUCK did they overcorrect, they put the worst people in charge and the nation has devolved catastrophically, it went from a strong agricultural nation with a real economy, to a fucking dump. Crime is worse than ever, they can't keep the power on reliably, and their agricultural sector is almost dead.
>>65591612>Also depends on which African nation you choose to represent all of Africa, tribal warlords? Which European nations? All of them?What? Every nation, on each respective continent. How is that hard for you to understand?
>>65595239>so we can assume that African tribal disputes, warlordism, civil wars, and tensions that plague Africa today are none existent just as Hitler will hold hands with Chamberlain and Stalin right?Yes. And 1939 Europe would still win.
>>65595419Although, realistically, where this impossible hypothetical to somehow actually arise; The Europeans would be able to temporarily set aside their differences and unite in the face of a common enemy.The Africans would not.
>>65593648Better communication means nothing if everything else is in the shit.
>>65595425Realistically speaking, most of Africa wouldn't even pay attention to the situation, so it's really just 2026 Egypt and Algeria versus 1939 Europe.
>>65593069>it is extremely unlikely that Britain, Italy and the Soviets remain in the conflict for long.Why? Europe will partition up Africa after the win.
>>65593133>There are many millions of rounds in somalia. They do not need to make anything. They can just smash whatever they send in an engagement.Somalis cannot even control their own damn country.
>>65591279>europeans think europe will win>africans think africa will win
>>65591268Im sure those german Me-109s will totally stop those Egyptian F-16 Blk 40s fucking retarded fucks. Dumbest hypothetical ever. Egypt alone could solo all of 1939 Europe
>>65595633Yeah, 200 jets can totally kill thousands of tanks, hundreds of armored ships and millions of men.
>>65595633when was the last time egypt won a conflict?
Africa has literally zero real ability to project power, and coordination among most African states would be poor at best and catastrophic at worst. Fighting a proper military is very different than fighting small regional "tribal" type skirmishes. Egypt and to a lesser extent, Algeria would be the main concerns militarily. Once those fall, the rest of the African continent stands no real chance.So Africa would need to pool resources into those countries militaries and really strongly coordinate. and I simply do not see that happening,they are just too corrupt and inept. Egypt has hundreds of combat aircraft , including F-16,s mig 29s, and Rafales. European countries would need to do WW2 style bombing raids and expect heavy losses early on as Egypt starts consuming modern weapon stocks of missiles. If Europe can keep the war machine fed, eventually these African countries fall to devastating bombing raids and inadequate modern arms procurement. What good are all the fighter jets without munitions? Sure you might be able to keep the auto cannons fed but you're going to be vastly outnumbered by the 1000 + bombers waves, and those bombers are still going to have defensive small arms machine guns, The modern fighters can stay out of range likely and pick off some, but I dont think it would be enough long term to matter. Africa has no real war machine they buy almost everything from Europe, Russia or the USA. So not having much of a real domestic modern military manufacturing complex would ultimately doom them. It would make sense for European powers to just give up on making fighter planes since they would never be competitive and just focus on zerg rush massive bomber raids so they can flatten cities and air strips. Early on it would look hopeful for Africa but it would certainly end badly for them. There would also be a point where once European powers have captured some states, they would then avail themselves of more modern arms like AK pattern rifles.
>>65595757They can they have 20mm vulcan cannons that can blow up any wehrboo nigger tank in 1939 their armor is paper thin in modern standards. The panzer 3 can be penetrated by a fucking 50cal m2 browning
>>65595767They can if its fighting 1939 europe. The tech difference is just too high a Egyptian Ak-47 is basically a plasma railgun for them.
>>65592885Imagine some Roman publicanus trying to push taxes on Somalians.>>65593078Rome (the Eastern Part) lost multiple times to Muslims coming from the dessert. That's ignoring the domestic arms industry.>>65593131Untrue. It was a major problem for Germany and all of Western Europe to some extent which played out a lot during the war (and obviously in 1914-1918). The continent would be able to provide staples but was dependant on imports for everything else on account of the whole 'global empire' business.
>>65595425>The Europeans would be able to temporarily set aside their differences and unite in the face of a common enemyWe may be talking about a fictional scenario involving time travel and the displacement of millions of tons of land but let's try to keep some basis in realism here.
>>65595241>>65595244And europe was a shithole too. I am not even defending africa. I freely admit it's an aids ridden shithole.I just think 1939 yuros were shit too. I mean, they lost to a fucking army of horse carts. >>65595419Nope. Yuros will even struggle against a bunch of kids with aks and rpgs and nigros have no short of them. Period. Don't even need muh Egypt or South Africa. It's a matter of logistics.
>>65595953The European armies would almost certainly pour massive resources into zerg rush bomber waves. this is the most obvious strategy given their tanks will lose badly to a handful of even 1960's era tanks. African Airforces are rife with corruption and have very limited resources. There would likely be heavy European losses the first few waves but after that I dont think it would be that bad Mechanized invasion isnt realistic, they would just firebomb the hell out of capital cities and military bases such that African powers are in disarray and unable to ammas forced. European tanks would operate much more like IFVs and would likely do well in that kind of role. Any kind of real tank battle would be avoided in all cases.
>>65596053Even the most powerful european tank of 1939 can do shit to a Tunisian T-62 whats your point?
>>65591268>>65591281Africa. and I understand that they don't have access to the industry for all modern tech, nobody does, thats the point of a completely globalized economy. But they can comfortably make tech from the cold war, which is enough against 1939 europe. 1939 europe doesn't even have a mechanized military. France germany and russia relied on horse and rail. only britain had mechanized logistical chain and they aren't enough to supply the continent. meanwhile fucking rebel groups in africa has a completely mechanized army.but whats far more important is the knowledge modern africa has that nobody considers. Africa has access to information on ALL 1930-1950s european history. they know every important person, who their 2-10th in command is, they know important people before those people even know they are important, and they can find them using the internet and basic humint/sigint. They know every command center, any critical logistic and industrial infrastructure. Imagine the decapitation strike on hamas but on a continental scale, without the need for mossad competence.remember alan turing and the enigma? civillians today have access to far more powerful computers in their pockets than cold war militaries. And africa knows the exact comms machines and their specs that each european country uses. European comms will all be decrypted and read.the big one is nukes. every physics department in africa knows about nuclear energy and the manhattan project. SA and egypt are literally running their own nuclear power stations; hell even the modern norks figured out how to make nukes. meanwhile, germany is purging its particle physics department. Who do you think is going to win the race for the bomb?
>>65596077This what are they gonna do fucking shoot at a F-16 on after burner with a fucking 88mm Flak 36? Dumbest hypothetical ever. You literally cant do shit to egypts f-16s.
A single ZSU-23-4 could probably take out the entire 1939 Luftwaffe
>>65596053Lol no one f-16 with just a 20mm vulcan cannon can probably destroy 50 or more bombers and im sure Britain and germany dont have alot of those in 1939. Fuck germany doesnt even have four engine strategic bombers in 1939
>>65596053UK has 200 strat bombers in 1939 all would be destroyed in minutes by just a dozen f-16s. Germany has zero bombers that can reach Egypt and french air force can all be destroyed by one Tor SPAAG
>>65596090It can teleport and produce ammo from nothing?
>>65596096>>65596107They would need time to build up armaments, no country is going to do a full invasion without an arms build up. be realistic. Europe has a much better manufacturing base.
>>65596204Neither could the Wehrmacht, who fucked their own logistics and even spare parts production badly enough mechanic crews started literal fist-fights over new shipments. Oh, and this led to them ooga-booga cannibalizing their own tanks to have at least SOME vehicles in operational order, like fucking Twilight 2000 had happened five fucking decades too early.You see, they were idiotic enough to assemble more tanks out of the parts, having to ship entire vehicles back and forth, instead of simply supplying the pieces to fix the tanks they already had.https://history.army.mil/portals/143/Images/Publications/catalog/104-7.pdf
>>65596052Look man, you’re not wrong, but there’s something you’re really missing. Africa has cars and trucks. Basic off hand napkin math comes up with 66,000,000 cars and trucks. How many million technicals can we expect 1939 Germany to handle? Since I’m willing to bet it’s fewer than ten million.>>65596053A Congolese tween with an RPG-7 could mulch any European tank. Nigeria has a population of around 230,000,000 people. South Africa successfully built nukes. Ballistic missile arsenals exist in Egypt, Sudan, Algeria, Morocco, and Ethiopia. The strait of Gibraltar would be closed to shipping, as would the Suez Canal. Ffs, Egypt already builds the M1A1 Abrams domestically along with a mess of other munitions and vehicles. Do I need to get into the South African arms industry?
>>65596386>South Africa successfully built nukes.I need to know you understand SA is a failing state and in NO way could EVER get nukes again with the current people that run it. You understand that, right?
white women flock en mass toward africa to get breed by wakandian warriorsthe world is liberated from the tyrany of the kkkraccker and everybody lived happyly ever after
>>65595953You're an idiot and your childish response is amusing.
>>65596494They did the hard part. The designs exist. Copying what was already done isn’t hard, and since we’re assuming Africa is cooperating with its self against Europe? That means there functionally are no failed states. Unless you’re expecting Poland, Germany, France, the USSR and a partridge in a pear tree to function with their own massive relative baggage not being hand waved. In which case, this whole thought experiment goes out the window because we just have WW2, but Africa is also busy blowing its self up.
>>65596096>Lol no one f-16 with just a 20mm vulcan cannon can probably destroy 50 or more bombersEgyptian pilots can successfully perform 50 consecutive 1/10th second 10 round gun burst kills?You don't know shit, kid, and it shows.
Internet bait works too well.
>>65596531if the designs exists then Europe has them too, you cant have it both ways. For this thought exercise its been to limit it to conventional non nuclear warfare.
>>65596550How would Europe have them? They hadn’t built nukes in 1939. They did have chemical weapons, but so do some African countries and the Africans have ballistic missiles.
>>65596584Never even thought about this. Europe would probably have no qualms gassing the Hell out of Africa.
>>65596386>we have cars>can we refine the fuel for them?>can we keep them running?>can we get them to Europe?>can we replace them?>>65596584africa hasn't any nukes and setting up a nuclear program in SA would probably take as long to produce a nuke as a European program would since the British alone program had an ETA of 46-47
>>65596550No. Even with Africa having the knowledge and Europe having to develop it Europe still wins. If Africa drops a nuke on some European capital, 1939 Europeans will become bloodthirsty maniacs. Look how hard they fought each other, without nukes. And Africa will not be able to make more than a handful, if they manage to pull it off at all. I would more expect them to construct a fizzler.
>>65595767Saladin? And even that is disingenuous.
>>65596636While true, the Africans actually have ballistic missiles to go with their chemical weapons.>>65596678>yes to all66,000,000 modernish vehicles. If we’re gonna assume Europe is unified enough to not have massive logistics problems, we have to assume the same thing about Africa. How many technicals do you think Europeans could handle? Even third world countries today have more and better preforming vehicles than Europe did in 1939.>bong program is seven to eight years outWhere as SA has the actual designs, plus extant reactors.>>65596697>bloodthirsty maniacsGeneral Butt Naked would like a word with you.
>>65591268>This debate is dividing the Internet.No it's not>Who would win?Me after I rape you
>>65597851A near infinite amount considering that would have to cross an ocean.
>>65591268Africa would just flip back over to being controlled by europe since it's 1939, duh
>>65591552Mines and artillery are no less effective in modern day than in the 40's.A modern tank would still eat shit from enough 100-150mm HEThe only advantage Africa has is drones, of which they buy from modern Europe.
>>65591268Europe.That's it.Does Africa produce the weapons that they do possess?!?Do they have any idea how to use them?!?Do you even know that modern tanks are fucking cheap tissue and that each one get mogged on the sides?!?Lmao even active armour would go down the same.I bet your ass you don't even know what APCR stands for.I understand that having a mig-9 or a mig 15 is freaking beautiful, but if you can't fucking drive your Lamborghini how the fuck do you expect me to believe that niggers can actually win with shit they never invented in the first place, nor did they reverse engineered it.All they did, was that they bought it and parked it, nothing more.Lmao I bet those niggers can't even fucking use the active radar in their beautiful billion dollar toys.They can't fucking build an unruined shack, and you expect me to believe they use a fully fledged MBT?!?As motherfucking if NIGGER.Ps. Spread your fat ass-cheeks further my bravo nigger ass faggot.
>>65591627Tanks couldn't advance for the simple fact that most African states don't have SPAAs in meaningful numbers to stop the literal entirety of Europe from just dropping 2000lb bombs on them.>B-But towed gu-Don't matter. Towed AA can't support a meaningful push.
>>65598268Cope
>>65595984>It was a major problem for Germany and all of Western Europe to some extent Because they were at war with each other and blockading each other. Are they going to be facing the same problems if they all unite against one enemy? Russia would still be the most dysfunctional, but not having Germany crawling up their asshole would relieve so much pressure for them (and in turn, that crawling was not trivial for Germany to get up to).Now, this would omit the American Lend Lease, which is a pretty big debuff, but they still aren't at each other's throats.
>>65597851the difference is that Europe in 1939 has the infrastructure to do continental scale logisticsand it can build more of itthere is no road connection between large parts of africa, there's no Africa wide rail or river networks, most of the ports are underdeveloped and above all Africa makes none of the equipment locomotives, ships, cars ect. it would need to maintain it.it's not a matter of unification, it's a matter of Africa in 2026 being less developed that Europe in 1939, having a lower population density and being far less integrated >how do you deal with technicalsthey are soft skinned vehicles so anything that works against them. there's plenty of stuff in Europa that can deal with those, enough that they can handle the trickle of technicals being transported across into Spain, Italy or Greece/Bulgaria. remember the Bosphorus bridge wasn't build until the 70ies so there's no road connection between Africa and continental Europe.so al those technical need to be loaded onto ships that Africa can't build and then landed in Europe using port infrastructure that isn't there. remember there's no containerized ports or roll on roll off piers anywhere in 1939 Europe.so you are pretty much down to what ever amphibious landing capacity Africa has.>but they have the plansthey haven't anymore and the men that made those plans aren't alive, aren't in SA or are senile >but they know the sciencegl trying to make functional nuke with just the sciencethe pakistanis, norks ect. also had all that science and reactors and it still took them a decade to make the bomb.
OP is pic related.
>>65591552T90s aren't capable of traversing through anatolian terrain even without opposition.
>>65593072It's a bit of a stretch to say rome had a functioning economy.
>>65591268>africans have the force projection capability to attack europe>africans have information security sufficient to prevent leaks of future information to europe>africans have the logistical or manufacturing capability to sustain a total warPicrel is (You).
>>65599528Rome went through many different periods, and their economy was quite good for some of them.
>>65596678>setting up a nuclear program in SA would probably take as long to produce a nuke as a European program would since the British alone program had an ETA of 46-47They have a functioning nuclear reactor, they know all the physics behind plutonium enrichment and they have all the materials.Building a nuke is not a hard ask, if you know how to do it and you have all the stuff you need.
>>65591734>ehrm akshually in my made up scenario Africa suffers a 2d6 penalty to hit because of malariaSame thing that would happen to Europe without lend lease or attempting to push further than northern Africa you doofus. If you have to saddle one side with made up logistics problems as well as putting them in disadvantageous scenarios to make a point its a sign the question was retarded and the answer you wanted isn't the correct one. Not that 1930's Europe is going to dogwalk modern Africa because 4chinz lets you type nigger
>>65591268No one in Africa would be interested in conquest of Europe. Perhaps only in a mutual defense, at least the Northern region facing Europe. No one is Europe is going to unite to attack Africa, only Italy wanted to forcefully take land in their own time it wasn't exactly a cakewalk in Ethiopia. The entire scenario is non-existent and the only direct conclusion to be formed is confirmation of OP's faggotry.
>>65600707The whole situation reminds me of that 100 Men vs. 1 Gorilla debate which everyone had an opinion on and which nobody could agree on because the scenario as it's set up would never happen.>Gorilla in retard nonstop rage mode against 100 unpanicked men>The men have been Word-of-God'd into being totally unpanicked against said gorilla>They're coordinating but they're not allowed to scatter and come back with weapons (even fucking off for a while and returning with sharpened sticks could increase their odds by an odd of magnitude)Neither Africa nor Europe can invade each other.
>>65598556That comment won't un rape you
>>65600649first off SA imports it's nuclear fuel and it's nuclear industry equipment from outside of Africa so SA would have to set up an entire domestic nuclear industryit would then have to build it's turbine farm and run it (this take a lot of energy and you'd best not have power outages while doing it)they'd then have to build the actual bomb including the trigger.they'd also have to figure out how to safely deliver their bomb. by the time they can make it simply chucking it out of a modifies civilian or military transport plane won't be a safe option.so they'd have tominiaturize it to fit onto one of the long range ground launched missiles in service with an other African army. this would add several years to the process.building a nuke is a hard thing to doa lot of it also comes down to a countries ability to make enough refined material to make enough bombs to have the desired effect.the goal here isn't to ward off an invasion but to break Europe into submission. you'd need more than a couple of bombs to do so.so that mean you need the industrial capacity to set up and maintain enough refining capacity to get the enriched material you need and than make it into a bomb.if it was as easy as you think it is then it would have taken Pakistan and North Korea decades to get theirs and other countries with nuclear programs like Sweden would have seen theirs to conclusion.oh and the only reason the SA ever got a nuke or a nuclear reactor was due to the French and the French are still supplying them.
>>65600693>Same thing that would happen to Europe without lend leaseWhy would Europe need lend lease in this scenario? Do you even know what lend lease was?
>>65591268This is retarded. 1939 Europe can't contest the planes from 1960 let alone ones from 2000 and up >Eliminate all naval assets in mediterranean with air force>Destory all defenses that are in Sardines and Corsica with air force, mop up with uncontested naval landing, you can even use civilian ships.>From Sardines and Corsica to bomb industrial centers in Europe since now they are in my range. >Use 4 Egyptian Type 209 submarines to continually sink European ships since they can't do shit agains them.
>>65600649>Building a nuke is not a hard askAre you for fucking real? There's a significant industrial and logistical overhead, it's not enough to just have explosives and nuclear material, this shit isn't Minecraft, each component demands a lot.
>>65600707Actually, cutting Africa from aid and erasing 80 years of technological progress in Europe at the same time sounds like a perfect opportunity to goad parts of Africa to start raiding parts of Europe.
>>65601578Why do you think the african airfields won't get bombed, strafed or commando'd into oblivion?
>>65591268Its less Europe VS Africa and more Europe vs the few states that are actually functional. Africa ranges from modern, 21st century standards all the way down to literal mud hut living. Its more of a question, "Can a small coalition of nations get their logistics online fast enough to defeat the zerg rush of 1939 armor and naval assets." Cuz, like, the fuck is the Congo gonna contribute? Cannibals? No, more likely theyll actively be a liability. Nations in Africa do have air forces, and those air forces are going to obliterate the European navy, its not even a debate. The debate is, can they do it more than once? Can this continent unfuck itself and produce munitions? Modern RPG's are gonna melt that armor, its not a question. Can we get enough guys trained to use them, or is it more likely the RPG's go missing like all the fuel we gave to partner forces in Afghanistan? If i had to guess? No. I mean its Africa. The place has had more foreign aid pumped into it than probably even god knows and its still a mess. Its a hell hole of corruption and short term thinking. This is basically Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, and maybe a few more competent governments vs 1939 Europe, and the rest of Africa.
>>65595571There was breakdown by votes. Most of Asia voted for Europe winning
The 8.8 would shred a t72 like paper
>>65602929>Cuz, like, the fuck is the Congo gonna contribute?A lot of light infantry used to operating in austere conditions. The Congolese and Rwandans are pretty handy at using helicopters as well
>>65602980Honorary aryans indeed. At least the Japanese, because they were able to figure out S ducts.
>>65600853100 men without weapons could easily beat a gorilla. 50 could. 20 even. Probably even a dozen or only 10.
>>655912682026 Africa doesn't have the manufacturing base or logistics to match a total war Europe, now if you turn it into a China/Russia vs Europe proxy war it gets way more fun
>>65591268The Third Reich could probably solo Africa unironically.
>>65601578What do the Egyptians, Algerians, and Moroccans do when they run out of imported western missiles that they can't make themselves and Europe hasn't even run out of their existing planes and ships and is making more of them?
>>65591268almost any war can be won by the White man as long as he picks his allies correctly and not get back stabbed
>>65591268Anon 1839 Europe would kick the shit out of Africa.>>65591279Yes, you're either racist or wrong on purpose, those are actually the two choices for society.
>>65591360>>65592245>Africa could win because it can conduct cold war era operationsBut they can't.If you drop cold war equipment on an anthill the ants don't become capable of cold war tactics. Firing 1950s machine guns at birds and trees does not make you a 1950s military.
>>65593075>BoersYou seem to be under some illusions about who's in charge of SA's industry. Hint, it's not the Dutch farmers.
>>65602407A month after cutting foreign aid Africa would be fighting with spears again.
>>65596386>A Congolese tween with an RPG-7 could mulch any European tankAnd any European power of note could just as easily fumigate the entire area of operations with their very much viable stockpiles of ww1 chemical munitionsIlliterate africans cannot into cbrn protection anon
>>65606709I don't know why I forgot this. That shit would be an absolute massacre for them.
>>65592885Depends on what they mean. If the romans had to sail over or started at a significant remove, that's a problem for them, but if the entire Roman Legion at its biggest just stepped out of the mists of time amongst the Somali and started hacking up whoever they saw not wearing red, they'd kill so many in the first hour it wouldn't matter what the response was.
>>65591552Logistics can
>>65591552>T90sSame tank that got frontally penetrated by 25mm in Ukraine?
>>65608151Dude, the first Roman will be shot to pieces
>>65609037Shooting fifty times in the air and drooling while munching on burning wood is not a good way to stop yourself from being stabbed.
>>65602427Because european armies would not be able to do that
>>65592885I don’t know, but seeing some malnourished nogs in a Hilux with a mounted machine gun vs some very confused Roman legionnaires would be hilarious to watch.
>>65608151>>65609708You're flat out retarded.>>65593072There are multiple seperate entities within somali, such as puntland and somililand, who individually would defeat the romans handily. Somalia is a lot more than just random pirate huts adjoined together by camel caravans.
>>65609708Somalis handled elite American troops in urban combat Mogadishu back in the 90s, they can handle a 5'5 Roman trying to rush them with a spear
>>65591281>Africa, in other words Egypt, Algeria and Morocco would likely dominate in the short term but they would fail to colonize Europe in the long run>the Europeans would use their big brains to reverse engineer African weaponry and close the gap within a decade>final victory for the Europeans
Another debate.
People are really underestimating what RPGs and even earlier gen of ATGM can do to tank designs before the 80s. The MILAN and RPG and anti-air guns on Toyota trucks would be enough to harass, lure, ambush, and annihilate
>>65611034No weapon on Africa can kill a tank when you don't hit it, and or you sold the warhead for drugs.
>>65610050>Somalis handled elite American troops in urban combat Mogadishu back in the 90sHandled is when you take 8:1 wounded and 15:1 killed.The harder you lose the more you handled them.Washington doesn't want you to know this, but if you order your niglets to suicide on contact with the enemy then you handle them for free. I have over 315 dead Somali soldiers at home from doing this.
>>656110221979 Soviet Union has functioning nukes, how is this even a debate?
>>65591268America would win.
>>65591279I feel like even with applied racism you've got to have some doubts about 1939 Europe's ability to win. Both sides would have a lot of in fighting of course, possibly even to the point of neither side getting around to fighting the other, but the Euros will have the issue of the Frenchmen doing as Frenchmen do and bringing back diseases they've never heard of like HIV/AIDS and Ebola then getting in a fight and bleeding on someone else and spreading it around.
>>65611022The Germans would have better communications and should be able to jam up anything the Soviets try to send over the air.And that's about the end of their advantages. Do they even have a single functioning fighter jet at this point?
>>65612160>Turns up his sights to maximum power to shoot harder
>>65612222>Do they even have a single functioning fighter jet at this point?Ah, no, but they have something even better: D I V E R S I T Y
>>65612255>starts European cases of AIDS and Ebola in 1939, making it the new origin of both diseases
>>65604856What do the European powers do, when their supplies of colonial raw materials and manpower runs out? If one is allowed to trade for what they need, so can the other. But only one side can keep their trade lanes open. Africa.
>>65592053How about racial divisions.
>>65613029> supplies of colonial raw materials and manpower runs outyes, the famous nazi collonial troops being armed with guns made from steel imported from it's vast, global empire>But only one side can keep their trade lanes open. Africa.2026 africa doesn't produce even a fraction of 1939 Europes tonnageit also relies on imports for just about everything from paint to enginesand africa would be 100% dependant on naval shipping because where the raw resources are isn't where the industry is, isn't where the front lines are. and between those there's pretty much fuck all land economical lad connections (africa only produces a couple dozen trains per year and all of them down in SA)meanwhile Europe in 1939 as integrated in land logistics
>>65611870Any guerilla force that manages to beat the Americans will suffer some losses (see Viet Cong). Now imagine the losses the Romans will face.
>>65613029>But only one side can keep their trade lanes open. Africa.With what fucking navy?
>>65613154Cargo ships registered in Liberia as flag of convenience?
>>65611022The latter contains half of the former.
>>65613659Easy targets for European blue water navies.
>>65613029trade with who? there is no trade, this is a 1v1 final destination.
>>65593583Given that the black IQ curve is also backloaded rather than a true bell curve its even worse than you suspect.
>>65613838wakanda duhhaven't you seen that documentary about it?
>>65609033It wasn't penned frontally. The Bradley's shot HE to it's sights and as such the tank was blinded so the crew fled. This is why Ukraine was able to capture it and use it against Russia.
>>65591268I mean let's look at tanks:1939 Europe tanks: UK made: Mk VI Lights, Tetrarchs, Cruisers and Matildas. German made: Panzer 1s, 2s, 3s and early 4s, 35(t)s and 38(t)s. French: Renault FTs, H35s, R35s, Somuas, Char B1, D1 and 2C. Soviet Union: BT series, T-26, T-28, T-35, T-38 and KV1.African nations:UK made: Centurion Olifant. USA made: M48 and M60 Pattons and M1 Abrams. Frecnh made: AMX-30. Russia/Soviet Union made: SU-100s, T-34s, T-54s/T-55s, T-62s, T-64s, T-72s, T-90s,Even the T-54s alone crush anything from Europe here. Without talking about the Abrams' and T-90s.
>>65613936note that there's no African made tanks, just European and American made ones
>>65613887Pure copium
>>65613936>Drives in circles shooting at clouds >Surely my advanced technology will protect me
>>65592175Exactly. That just means they're smart
>>65592245>despite vast technology gapYou're seriously over-estimating Africa's current level of technology.
>>65591360Germany individually built more than 100,000 aircraft in 4 years. The UK also built more than 100,000 aircraft in the same time frame but with major US/Anglo-sphere help. The USSR also built a similar amount but again with major Anglo-sphere help.All of africa is a terminal shithole. Even to this day white people fly in to remote sub-sahara and try to give people medicines and teach them how to build and farm and govern, and within 10 years of leaving the place is back to the same old terminal african shithole.
>>65614380T-26's and Panzer 3's vs T-90's and M1 Abrams'
>>65614380Africa can't maintain anything or use them correctly or on long range deployments. A drone with 30 lbs of explosives can disable an Abrams in Ukraine.
>>65613845(You)
>>65613093>germany didn't lose>children build more sand castles, therefore they can beat actual castles>>65613154https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_navies>>65613838Yeah, that's my point, so Europe loses twice as hard. Only synthetic rubber, no colonial troops (most of British and half of all French strength), no American fuel or lend-lease.... Speaking of, don't people argue the USSR would've collapsed without it? Yeah, and Britain got three times as much as the Russians. Arsenal of Democracy, and all that.Meanwhile, several countries in Africa have not only the know-how, but the actual production-lines for modern weaponry, and are more than capable of simplifying designs to a level that's easier to produce en-masse and still more than enough to erase anything it opposes.Like, c'mon. A fucking Toyota with a heavy machine gun can ventilate most tanks of 19-fucking-39. The whole affair is a joke.
>>65615029>Meanwhile, several countries in Africa have not only the know-how, but the actual production-lines for modern weaponry>Several
>>65614392Africa makes those? Or any of the parts? Or ammo?
>>65613029Did Europe run out of manpower in WWII?
>>65592885I think it would take 2 weeks before the Roman commanders decided Somalia wasn't worth it.You can only send so many men to their death with no progress before you stop.A single M48 Patton would kill hundreds without firing a shot and there is nothing the Romans could do to stop it.
>>65615029>most of British and half of all French strengthwait are you counting the british colonial troops fighting in burma towards Europa and not counting the French army in 1940 towards the french? or are you legitimately just a retardalso very convenient of you to just skip over how fuck africa is logistics wise
>>65615535Egypt does produce a lot of the parts for their Abrams'.
>>65613936Oh forgot the Chinese tanks that Africa uses as well. China made: Type 59, Type 62, Type 63, Type 69, Type 85, VT-1A, VT-2
>>65593507There are so many birds in the world that statistically there are birds with PhDs and engineering degrees who can run a nuclear program.Right? Because there are hundreds of billions of birds.You dumbass.
>>65616077birds don't go to university
1939 united european navy would shit on Africa and its not even funny. Egypt would run out of munitions before they could deal with the industrial capacity of the entire continent + the rest of the colonies. Africa literally cannot feed itself. Egypt imports 40% of its food. yes the antique planes would get blown upyes the antique tanks would get blown upno they still suck ass at infantry level because arabs cant fight wars and certainly not to the grand scale that europeans will dish out. 600,000 Egyptians + 150,000 Algerians vs pic related.And no rest of Africa doesn't even matter because they might as well be in the stone age
