Unironically AR-9Had 3 hand load kabooms in mineNot over-pressure issues but Glock budget range pickup brass that needed a Lee undersized die.It was a lesson learnedBut if I actually had $ I'd get an HK brand HK MP-5
This
>>65592357I'm retarded, forgot pic
This because it's .44 magnum and looks old school
>>65592369Based
scorpion
>>65592324My Kriss Vector Gen 2
>>65592387Any plans to put an FRT in it? I was debating whether to get a vector or a stribog in 45.
>>65592369you actually have to own something for it to be your favorite
>>65592360I keep getting more interested in making my own every time you keep posting. How is it running for you.
>>65592410Maybe he shot one once
>>65592395I was going to buy one soon, But with this new NFA ruling, the money is going to a surpressor and stock first.
>>65592416Fair fair
>>65592360What are we looking at here? A printed ersatz scorpion evo?
>>65592324My peeccus of course. My weenus peecus, ha!
What do you guys consider to be the quintessential look for the MP5?Fixed stock or retractable stock?
>>65592410Really? What's your favorite fighter jet? What's your favorite MBT? What's your favorite ICBM? What's your favorite brain cell? Oh right, you don't own any of those.
>>65592514Retractable stock looks better, but the thin tubes dig into your cheeks, which is really uncomfortable. and everyone eventually switches to the fixed stock because of it.
>>65592413I had to adjust the feed ramp but everything is running like it should now. Getting some peening on the firing pin because the hammer isn't quite tall enough so trying to source a taller hammer. Failing that I'll just get one cut from SCS, but that would be semi-disposable since I don't have a way to harden it right now.>>65592497Mac 11/upper mated to a stribog lower, neither of which are FFL items
>>65592324Tossup between SP5 and KP9. Vector might take the cake if I can shoot one with an FRT.
>>65592369What am I supposed to enhance the eye reflections of a girl in photo shop to see the name of the gun because it's reflected in her eyes just tell me
>>65592524this
Honestly considering the Springfield Kuna with the tri-lug mount. I already have a Springfield Echelon so I think the two will pair really well together.I've been looking at suppressors and stocks for a bit now, wanting to build a short barrel PCC for home defense now that the NFA is gutted.I bought an ACE picatinny rail stock and I'm looking around now for a suppressor that comes with a tri-lug mount (or at least has one available to buy).Any suppressor suggestions?
>>65592542I would think if your firing pin is getting domed over then it's not hard enough
>>65592524>>65592694Thats why surefire gave us lasers. Lasers are the future you boys dont concern yourself with any other gimmick accessory
>>65592861No, the very top edge of the hammer hits the very bottom of the firing pin. The hammer needs to be about .25" taller to smack the firing pin squarely.
Tie between the scorpion and vector in 10mm
>>65592514retractable stock is literally the worse, functionally but absolutely wins all contests of style and coolness.
>>65592324Ruger P95
>>65593968?
>>65593422Oh
>>65592514Retractable stock, slim or Surefire forend.Or a K.
>>65594885
>>65594899
>>65594909
>>65594911
>>65594916
>>65593968Did you mean the PC9?
>>65594923Or their extremely slept on SMG?
What pcc builds do you guys have? I can't decide on what I want because I fucking hate pccs that take glock mags aesthetically
>>65594929You can get a PSAK and put a stock on it if you're in one of those states that don't require you to ile a form, otherwise just get the Tailhook Mod 2 brace, it's solid plastic and pretty much a buttstock.
>>65592514For me, MP5K-PDW with the choate stock
>>65592514>>65592524>>65594899
was thinking of getting one of these then I took a bunch of mushrooms and discovered myself, turns out I'm a rational heterosexual male
>>65592514Or SD
>>65594998So how many years were you a confused fag for?
>>65594989This speaks to me.
>>65594989Oooooooooh, I like
Now that suppressors can be bought without the extra paperwork, it's time for you MP5 addicts to ditch the MP5-K cope and get yourselves a proper MP5-SD
>>65592395There is a kriss FRT that is made? Any idea where to get one? Or at least some prints to make my own. Am considering fun guns with the new ATF rules, and the kriss would be higher on the list if there was the fun trigger for it.
>>65592516Oh look, it's this strawman again. He owns nothing and trolls pcc/mp5 threads. Just ignore him.
as long as the barrel is tightened correctly so it doesnt have pizza box accuracy at 7yds the MPX is a fantastic pcc.
>>65595804I've heard mixed quality issues but you can look around on yt for some examples.
PCCs are gay and retarded I have a shotgun and a bullpup for home defendings, the one I will use entirely depends on my mood
>>65595881im gay and retarded and i want a pcc. i have a bullpup rifle, handguns, and a shotgun.
>>65595901you sound like a solid dude youre allowed a pcc
>>65592410>>65592516A more succinct argument would be like; What is your favorite color? What is your favorite food? Neither of these things can be owned, but are universally accepted as things that can be one's favorite.
>>65595804>There is a kriss FRT that is made?That was like the fourth gun to get an FRT. Look up the RPTR FRT.
>>65596001>A more succinct argument would be like; What is your favorite color? What is your favorite food? Neither of these things can be owned, but are universally accepted as things that can be one's favorite.I personally own the color squarnche though. You aren't allowed to use it or even look at it
>>65592324Mine
>>65596271Very nice.
My Glockbog just werks and it reminds me of a gun Id find in Brigador Killers.
>>65592324>all of the shortcomings of a pistol round>none of the benefits of fully automatic fireWhy?
>>65596294Idk comfortable to shoulder?>>65596291Needs a huge fuck off laser on top instead of optic to fit in bk
>>65596294>ShortcomingsHere let me pop you in the thigh with a .45 or .40 hollowpoint.
>>65596302Cool, I'll trade you a shot of 5.56.>>65596301Intermediate cartridge rifles are comfortable to shoulder too.
>>65596315Sure, but you have to figure out where my subsonic .45 in your thigh came from.
I want a p90, don't care how suboptimal it is.
>>65594905Forgot i had the name turned on
>>65596317Given that it's subsonic it won't be hard to figure out since you're probably only 10 feet away. Also, if you just used a pistol, standard .45 subsonic by default anyway, nogunz.
I'm bored. I want an mp5.
>>65594929You want a short one with a collapsble stock. Trilug with a k can light and dot.
>>65596294TBF, now with FRTs becoming prevalent, people can enjoy pseudo-full-auto.>INB4 "FRTs are inferior to real full-auto."Yes, but they are better than bump stocks and binary triggers.
>>65596461I might go folding stock but you're right about everything else.
>>65596188found a fun website that lists a bunch of guns and compatible triggershttps://www.rifleconfigurator.com/guides/frt-compatible-guns
>>65596506Nice. I see know that the RPTR has been renamed to the RATL-R. Same company making them.
>>65592716for new gen its deadair or huxwurx. both look gay
>>65596480You have a point there! I never used an FRT, how does it feel? Does it work pretty reliably?
>>65596727>how does it feel?You can feel the trigger moving forward and back, many people don't mind it but a few hate the "trigger slap." Furthermore, you have to pull the trigger with a specific amount of force because if you squeeze too hard, then it won't simulate full-auto, you'll just get 1 shot. Pull it too softly, and you won't get the rate of fire you want. All of these things combined make it feel like the FRT is fighting the bolt rather than cooperating with it.>Does it work pretty reliably?Not as much as full-auto, but definitely a lot more reliable than bump firing. I already mentioned the user-induced malfunction if you squeeze too hard, so let's talk about durability instead. The plastic ones people are 3D-printing are prone to snapping (so if you plan on adding one to your range toy, make sure to build multiple so you can swap out the broken one and insert another); the metal ones people are buying are more durable. Assuming you get one from a reputable company, it shouldn't snap inside your gun.
>>65596966Mmm, well I concede it's probably better than nothing in terms of trying to make an SMG, especially with the whole no longer needing approval or anything for it to be a true SBR, I'd be more into it though if the reliability issues and inherent improper use malfunctions were fixed.
>>65592561What a hideously constructed sentence. That is a Deerstalker.
>>65596974Ideally, all these fast-fire devices become common enough that the country realizes the full-auto ban is pointless. Criminals get switches and full-auto FCUs but law-abiding citizens have had to deal with garbage like bump stocks will never make sense.
>>65596984I love the enthusiasm and hope you're right but my pessimism tells me there's going to be a staunch anti gun pushback wave the moment Trump gets out of office.
>>65596988trump hasn't even BEEN progun this whole time. all the wins we've gotten have just been the GOA suing the ATF.
>>65596988Guy you responded to here. If anyone had told me years ago that the ATF would slowly get dismantled in front of me I wouldn't have believed it. Now I can only hope thateven dumber laws also go away.>>65596999Look, the orange man is anti-gun. I remember when he made an executive order banning bump stocks; however, the Supreme Court justice he chose is not. Thank the Lord.
>>65596999Yeah but the judge that ruled on suppressors in Texas and the current ATF director that announced they wouldn't enforce the requirements were both put in place by Trump. I'm not saying he did this knowingly, I'm saying the next administration can quickly undo what was done. Think of all the unconstitutional bullshit the ATF has done over the years with lawsuit after lawsuit dragging on for fucking years, I truly feel like the only reason shit moved so fast on former tax stamp shit is because the people in their positions were actually based and acted lawfully.>>65597012I hope you're right mang, I really really do, but in the meantime, buy up everything we fuckin can lol.
>>65595804I don't remember which but one of the vector FRTs barely moves the trigger forward and is extremely sketchy. Like you've made a machinegun instead of an FRT.
MP5MP5SDP90Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield and Stargate SG1 were large influences on my younger years.
>>65595850Take the L like a man. You got BTFO. Trying to feebly and passive aggressively defend yourself at this point just solidifies your reputation as a bitch.
>>65596999>>65597012And they didn't appeal the ruling supposedly on Trump's direction.Probably the smartest thing he's done as far as appealing to voter base without uneccesaryily incensing the opposition or independents because normies are too retarded to actually understand what it means and lefties are already hysterical over any firearm issue in the first place.
>>65597186is it possible to get a mechanically real mp5sd nowadays?
>>65597212Yeah get the MKE clone barrel swapped and a suppressor.
>>65597220Are they reliable? like genuinely asking.
>>65597212yes, according to a HK LE rep I talked to HK will sell you all the parts for an MP5SD. They will also sell complete MP5SDs to agencies but not to civilians. The MP7 is coming but everytime you call and ask it's + 1 year. For him the MP7 is popular with police sales.
>>65596294Shorter and lighter than an AR, so easier to carry/maneuver and much better for things like going through doors in an indoor home defense scenario.Can be fired indoors without a suppressor without absolutely BTFOing your ears, making it even shorter for going through doors than an AR, which will need to be suppressed indoors.9mm ammo is cheap AF.Consider a PCC that takes Glock mags. Put a mag-holding foregrip on it. You now have 66 rounds waiting for intruders. This is a pretty good home defense option. Is an individual round from it going to be as devastating as a 5.56 round? No. But you have fucking 66 of them. If four motherfuckers invade your home, you have enough rounds for all four of them and then some.
>>65597281Not nearly as compelling an argument as the other guy talkin about FRTs.It might be lighter than an AR, shorter? Not really in most circumstances, and even if it was shorter, how much shorter we talking? What tangible benefit does that give you over an AR? Same with lighter, in a home defense situation weight isn't an issue beyond a certain point, not like you're trying to carry the thing for miles. An AR15 is already light as fuck assuming you don't have 20 magnifiers on it. In either case you REALLY outta have some ear pro nearby, firing a PCC indoors isn't gentle on your ears by any means.The 66 rounds isn't all that impressive if you can just have any number of jungle mag devices on your AR for 60, not that I actually even advocate for that honestly, but it's an option.I just can't reconcile the fact it's still a pistol round, what you see is what you get, even soft armor can defeat it. Now I admit fully we're splitting hairs, do I think you're going to die in a home defense situation cuz you have a PCC? No, I just think it's generally suboptimal for any practical purposes, which in my eyes makes it a range toy, which is great I'm all for that.But still a range toy.
>>65597328>>65597281If I live in an apartment should I go PCC, shotgun, or stick with my AR?
>>65597328You can get a very short PCC with an FRT and a suppressor these days that will dump 30 rounds of 9mm in two seconds with subsonic HPs. I'm a GWOT era Muhreen vet that came up on 20in full blown M16s and I'm not reaching for an AR indoors at this point ever again. But you do you.
>>65597332depends on loading and barrier but 9mm ball will pen further than 5.56 since 5.56 will fragment and tumble IIRC. Personally I will pick a PCC over a shotgun or rifle since if you ever shot in an indoor range you’ll know why. A shorty 5.56 is fucking loud, I believe in the military people were getting concussions from firing them unsuppressed - the blast was giving them concussions. Shotguns (18 inch) surprisingly are not as bad as a shorty 10 inch 5.56. I’d get a suppressor as well.PCCs also are more common in competition while matches that allow 5.56 are more rare.
>>65597352That's the other thing I was considering. If I stick with my rifle or get a PCC I want a can and even then I know it's not going to be good for my ears.
>>65597328>firing a PCC indoors isn't gentle on your ears by any means.Yeah but it's not gonna absolutely BTFO your ears or give you a concussion like >>65597352 mentioned.>shorter? Not really in most circumstancesYes, tons of PCCs will be shorter than the average unsuppressed 10.5 inch barrel AR-15, which you absolutely do not want to be shooting indoors.>What tangible benefit does that give you over an AR?For one, maneuverability, especially going through doors. But are you really asking me what tangible benefit a shorter gun gives you in a close-quarters home defense situation?>The 66 rounds isn't all that impressive if you can just have any number of jungle mag devices on your AR for 60I wasn't really trying to claim the 66 rounds thing is an advantage over an AR. Just saying... it's enough for pretty much any home defense situation you'll ever end up in.
>>65594923lol PC Pig Carbine
>>65597352>but 9mm ball will pen further than 5.56 since 5.56 will fragment and tumble IIRC...who the fuck is going to be using ball ammo for home defense?
>>65596294Great to use on steel or indoor ranges. I used to have a 10.5 inch RRA on an armalite lower with the mag conversion block. Great low cost training platform.
>>65597371A suppressed PCC with subsonic rounds will be pretty fucking quiet. Not Hollywood quiet, obviously, but you're gonna be able to communicate with 911/law enforcement afterwards.Outdoors, above setup won't even cause ear ringing.9mm 147 grain hollowpoints are a good option for a suppressed PCC. The terminal ballistics of these heavy subsonic rounds aren't affected much by PCC barrels, which are longer than the rounds are designed to be fired through. Lighter rounds like 115 grain hollowpoints can do funny things out of PCCs like actually overexpand and thus underpenetrate, or even fragment.
>>65597446Part of me wants to go .45 suppressed pcc but I have a feeling 9mm will be sufficient.
>>65597371>>65597446Conversely, a suppressed AR-15 is still gonna be loud as shit indoors.
>>65597453Consider ammo cost too.Being able to train with cheap 9mm ball ammo is a huge plus. It makes it more likely that you'll train more often, and that's super important.
>>65597453>I have a feeling 9mm will be sufficient.It will. Plus, if you get, say, a roller delayed blowback PCC in 9mm, the absolute fucking lack of recoil will be sexy as fuck and fun as shit to shoot.
>>65597455Yeah that too.>>65597459Excluding the sp5, do you have a favorite roller delayed pcc?
>>65597409I don’t remember the videos if they tested JHP but I remember their conclusion of 9mm ball penning more inner walls than 5.56
>>65597454I remember my friend tested his 5.56 can by taking his ear pro off, his ears were ringing from a single shot
>>65597476Outdoors*
>>65597332AR, at those distances anything is going through the walls, plus as >>65597352 mentioned there's evidence from shit like the box of truth that showed 9mm can sometimes pen even further than 5.56.>>65597350That's cool, you're not the only one with military service under your belt so I take what you say with a grain of salt, having shot M4s indoors with ear pro on its not an issue, and having shot my M9 indoor WITHOUT earpro on, its way louder than you want.>>65597406If it's short, get a suppressor, you've read the news lately I'm assuming. Also, earpro earpro earpro, you don't want to be using any of that shit indoors without earpro, even suppressed.>For one, maneuverability, especially going through doors.Can you show me a practical example where having a short PCC is more beneficial to an intermediate caliber SBR determined success vs failure in some kind of shooting scenario?>it's enough for pretty much any home defense situation you'll ever end up in.Sure, but I mean, having a fucking revolver with target loads is going to put you at an advantage, statistically speaking, in terms of winning a gun fight. Most gun fights end without shots even being fired lol.
>>65597486>Also, earpro earpro earproYeah, because you're always going to have time to put earpro on in a home defense situation.And also, fuck being able to gain information on the position of your home invaders via sound. That's for pussies.Are you retarded?>Can you show me a practical example where having a short PCC is more beneficial to an intermediate caliber SBR determined success vs failure in some kind of shooting scenario?So you're really actually insisting on asking what tangible benefit a shorter gun gives you in a close-quarters home defense situation.Are you retarded?
PCCfags, have any of you used the MWI MP5K suppressor handguard? Not really a fan of the AR MLOK everywhere styling, but having some extra room for a longer grip on the gun seems nice, especially since the can is going to make the OAL longer anyways.>>65597476I didn't quite get ear ringing but yeah my silenced 12in SBR is loud as hell. Funny enough I've never actually shot it unsuppressed so I have no idea how concussive/loud it is normally.
>>65597507>Yeah, because you're always going to have time to put earpro on in a home defense situation.Bro how long does it take you to throw earmuffs on. Sounds like a training issue on your part.>And also, fuck being able to gain information on the position of your home invaders via soundYou REALLY sound nogunz and I'm not even going to tell you why lol.>So you're really actually insisting on asking what tangible benefit a shorter gun gives you in a close-quarters home defense situationNo, I'm asking you to show me in a side by side comparison a short AR vs a short PCC where one scenario was successful and the other was a failure because the PCC was half a pound and a couple inches shorter than an alright light and short as fuck AR.Protip, you will never find it, because it doesn't exist, you are splitting hairs so finely there is no evidence that supports your insane claim.
This nigga is actually saying always use earpro for home defense and is actually denying that a shorter gun is advantageous in close-quarters combat.
>>65597455Exactly. To me the 9mm AR15 is just a cheap training platform. Its a nice toy.I wouldnt actually use it in a defensive or war fighting situation.
>>65597520>Bro how long does it take you to throw earmuffs on. Sounds like a training issue on your part.Seconds, but seconds can be the difference between life and death in a home defense situation. Alternately, you could just use something that isn't retardedly loud like an AR-15 indoors.>You REALLY sound nogunz and I'm not even going to tell you why lol.Yes, active earpro exists. There are still many better things you could be doing with the seconds required to put it on in a home defense situation.It's a stupid extra step that could get you killed.
>>65597543>Seconds, but seconds can be the difference between life and death in a home defense situationMore like one second, literally the time it takes for you to pick up your gun you can have your earpro on if you co-locate. At any rate sure, there does exist an insanely tiny margin where one extra second is the difference, to which I'll ask, do you have a practical example of this?>Alternately, you could just use something that isn't retardedly loud like an AR-15 indoorsOr you could just have a suppressor like normal, have you seen the news lately?>Yes, active earpro exists. There are still many better things you could be doing with the seconds required to put it on in a home defense situation.Such as? Like shit, you can even pick up your rifle first and then put your earpro on one handed lol. Why are you acting like the guy that can't hold all these lemons?>It's a stupid extra step that could get you killed.Example of this happening?>>65597526>reading comprehension 0
>>65597543I used peltor comtacs on my two tours in afghanistan and they took like a half second to put on after all my armor then my helmet.That 5.56mm has better terminal perfomance with certain loads over anything else.Maybe yall should practice putting your shit on in a hurry.
>>65597550Nigga you ain't grabbing earpro, putting it on and getting a good seal with it in one second in a high adrenaline situation. That's not happening.>Or you could just have a suppressor like normalAs has already been established, a suppressed AR-15 is still loud AF indoors.>I demand that you spend hours searching Google for examples and if you do not do so I will pretend to win this argument in which I am glaringly and knowingly ignoring the value of utilizing imagination and hypothetical situations when logically evaluating a hypothetical scenariololFaggot.
>>65597563>That's not happening.Actual skill issue.>you're not recognizing a threat, drawing and aiming your ccw accurately in a high adrenaline situation, not happening>you're not going to be able to fly an aircraft in a high adrenaline situation>you're not going to be able to drive a car in a high adrenaline situationSo much more complicated shit people do in high adrenaline situations but the hill you die on is putting on fuckin earpro LOL. Actual retard.>Faggot.Mmph, sounds to me like you aint got shit to back up your claim, niggerbrain.
>just waste precious time putting on earpro in a high-adrenaline life-or-death situation bro>you can totally consistently find and put the earpro on in 0.5 seconds, with a good seal, no matter how much adrenaline is coursing through your veins, just git gud bro trust meThe absolute lengths ARfags here will go to to convince everyone to never use any other gun for anything.>>65597554>I used peltor comtacs on my two tours in afghanistan and they took like a half second to put on after all my armor then my helmet.You did not consistently put them on and get a good seal in 0.5 seconds. That is not a thing that happened.
This just got fucking gheyPost more PCC
>>65597579>>65597581Yeah I did. Getting mortared and rocketed in the middle of the night for weeks straight gets your reactions fast.Now stop this faggotry and post more PCC.
>>65597584I don't doubt that you did so fairly quickly, but your sense of time is clearly off.0.5 seconds isn't a thing that happened. Anyone with half a brain knows that.
>>65597586ERM ACKTUALLYGo back to plebbit.
>>65597589I'm right.
>>65597591lol
>>65597591>>65597592Ima pass out drunk soon ok. When I come back tomorrow I hope to see some PCC goodness.
>>65597579>reading comprehension 0
>oh shit there are home invaders in my home>they could be pointing a gun at my daughter RIGHT NOW>better put my hearing pro on first...
>>65597615>oh my god home invaders, time to grab my gun and sprint into the open as fast as possible because one second means everyone is DEADActual retarded person.
>>65597520Hey I noticed you never acknowledged the other guy's point...>No, I'm asking you to show me in a side by side comparison a short AR vs a short PCC where one scenario was successful and the other was a failure because the PCC was half a pound and a couple inches shorter than an alright light and short as fuck AR.Did you ignore it because you realized he was right?
>>65597472There were 4 separate tests that agreed that an FMJ 5.56 was less likely to harm someone on the other side of drywall than a JHP 9mm.
>>65597901I think you replied to the wrong post! I was the person that asked that!
>>65596483Collapsible is easier to deploy. Idk why poeple complain about them, even a 10mm is managable.
>>65597622>>65597615I feel like if you live in a tiny apartment it matters, but if the entry points to your house are far enough from your room you easily have enough time to put on your ears
What pcc runs JHPs well? Any recommendations?
>>65597328>even soft armor can defeat itI think the real question should be "how many home invaders are rocking body armor?" to where an intermediate SBR would be necessary.
>>65598080My EP9 and scorpion run them just fine. AP5 does pretty good but some brands it doesn't like
>>65598068>you easily have enough time to put on your earsBut you don't get to choose when you're woken up by burglars. Just because you hear a noise and decide to arm yourself doesn't mean they aren't already in your room.
>oh shit Jamal just broke in and is literally raping my wife with a gun in his hand>better grab my hearing pro first before I sit in the cuck chair
>>65598294>my boyfriend jamal is being raped by some cereal rapist slut>NOT ON MY WATCH
>>65598339ANON, NO! YOUR EARPRO!
>>65598121Would you rec the ap5 for home defense or is it too hit or miss in terms of qc?
>>65598178>>65598294What's up with this teleporting burglar BS? Do you not lock your doors or something? How the fuck are you not going to notice somebody kicking in your door or shattering a window to gain entry to your home in the first place?
>>65597352>A shorty 5.56 is fucking loud, I believe in the military people were getting concussions from firing them unsuppressed - the blast was giving them concussions>mfw all my rifles are bullpups
>>65598356These people don't own dogs. A dog is fine too
>>65598356>what is lockpicking>what are glass cuttersIn any case,>oh shit I just heard a broken window and my daughter screaming>better put on earpro first>>65598391Some of us are allergic.
>>65598413>Some of us are allergic.well then I guess you get raped by niggers, sorry anon
>>65598085To be fair, that was just one point in many other points, BUT, it's more common than you think. Certainly not a regular occurrence but after a quick google search it looks like every few years someone does a home invasion with body armor on.>>65598413If you wake up to your daughter screaming then you take the hearing damage bro, like god damn what kind of retard are you? What would you rather have to put down an attacker an attacker, a fuckin pistol or a rifle that statistically is twice as likely to cause a one stop shot.>>65598491This dude is trying so fuckin hard to justify the one imaginary scenario where a burglar uses glass cutters to come into your home, with no dog, no alarms, no motion activated lights, where the moment he comes into the home he dead sprints to your daughters room and starts raping / killing her, where grabbing JUST your gun means she lives and taking one second to put on earpro means she dies LOL.
>>65598354I think they're fine personally, I've had good luck. Just shoot your guns and get a feel for them to know if they're good or not
>>65598497I’m thinking to get an ap5-p and suppress it now
>>65598413>>what is lockpicking>>what are glass cuttersNTA. Less than 1% of break-ins use these tools.>>65598496>This dude is trying so fuckin hard to justify the one imaginary scenario where a burglar uses glass cutters to come into your home, with no dog, no alarms, no motion activated lights, where the moment he comes into the home he dead sprints to your daughters room and starts raping / killing her, where grabbing JUST your gun means she lives and taking one second to put on earpro means she dies LOL.He's trolling you. This moron with nothing good going on in his life finds joy being a contrarian in an anonymous board. His self-worth is defined by trying to upset strangers online, and you seem to be falling for his tricks.
>wake up to noise>don't know where it came from>reach for hearing pro>put it on>reach for gun>get shot while reaching for gunOops! Shouldn't have bothered with the hearing pro! Should have just used a weapon that can be fired indoors without BTFOing your ears into oblivion!
>>65598616>Less than 1% of break-ins use these tools.[citation needed]
>just put your hearing pro on in 0.5 seconds bro>just don't lose coordination when your adrenaline is flowing bro>just don't be human bro, if you lose coordination when your adrenaline is flowing, that means you're human, and that's a SKILL ISSUE bro>that person inside your home could be one second away from entering your room, but it's no big deal, you don't have to reach for your gun right now, you have time to put hearing pro on bro
>>65597012>supreme courtThose lazy niggers haven’t done half of what they could for gun rights.
Which MP5 clone make the most sense to buy as a host for an FRT and suppressor? The SP5 is the obvious choice but the HK tax makes it the least desirable. How are the PTR 9ct and the Century AP5 in comparison? It seems like the PTR cannot take FRTs due to the lower geometry and the ap5 doesn't ship with a railed handguard or have a rail for optics making it more expensive to bring up to modern standards it also needs modification to fit FRTs apparently as well unless there are FRTs I am unaware of that are comparable with these in their factory configuration.
>>65598616>haha its all a ruse and UR falling for it>time to reply to him myself!Mental illness.
>>65598638>just don't lose coordination when your adrenaline is flowing bro>you're not recognizing a threat, drawing and aiming your ccw accurately in a high adrenaline situation, not happening>you're not going to be able to fly an aircraft in a high adrenaline situation>you're not going to be able to drive a car in a high adrenaline situationSo much more complicated shit people do in high adrenaline situations but the hill you die on is putting on fuckin earpro LOL. Actual retard.
>>65598678>fumble around with earpro, require several seconds to put it on and get a good seal because hands are shaking due to adrenaline>draw time from holster slowed because your hands are shaking>aim is not as good as it is on the range because your hands are shakingThese are all very real things that can happened to trained people because of adrenaline. Even trained people are human and subject to the physical effects of human hormones.All of these are valid concerns when evaluating the possibilities that can occur in hypothetical defense scenarios.
>>65598695Brother if you can't put earmuffs on due to adrenaline how the fuck are you going to operate a handgun? The problem with your argument is there's literally thousands of examples of people doing complex tasks in high stress environments every fucking day. It is a training issue and you do not train.
>>65598722Like I said, it's a very real possibility for any one of us here that adrenaline can make our aim suck.>It is a training issue and you do not train.Yeah bro. Shooting at the range is totally the same as responding to a home intruder. Totally the same adrenaline spike.
>>65598732>The problem with your argument is there's literally thousands of examples of people doing complex tasks in high stress environments every fucking day. It is a training issue and you do not train.You recognize that a home invader is in your home. Your brain recognizes this as a considerably more dangerous life-or-death scenario than, say, driving a car on the freeway or flying an airplane. Yes, those things are literally life-or-death scenarios, as one mistake and you can die, but the relative danger is obviously much lower, and your brain knows this.Your brain knows that a home invader in your home is very fucking high on the list of most dangerous life-or-death scenarios. It responds with an accordingly strong fight-or-flight response and an accordingly strong shot of adrenaline into your system. Your system, obviously, is going to have more adrenaline flowing through it in this scenario than when you are driving a car or flying a plane.The only way to train for operating consistently with this much adrenaline in your system is to regularly train while literally being in significant mortal danger. This is obviously not practical for most people to do.
>>65598628Oh wow, I was off by 0.36%. Everyone beware lockpick specialists! https://www.art-of-lockpicking.com/criminals-dont-pick-locks/>>65598676Oh, you got me too. Nice job. The message I replied to seemed less whiny than the others, so I thought it was someone else. 10/10
>>65598647>Those lazy niggers haven’t done half of what they could for gun rights.That's because only 3 of the 9 are pro-gun, 3 are extremely anti-gun, and the other 3 go either way on the issue. Reminder that a president is supposed to only choose 1 justice during his presidency; Trump was extremely lucky to be able to pick 2.
>>65598756>https://www.art-of-lockpicking.com/criminals-dont-pick-locks/Another way of framing that data is saying that ~35 burglaries via lock-picking occur every day in the United States.
>>65594928>ImprovedWrong. and Uzis suck balls to begin with
>>65598732>>65598747Can adrenaline reduce aiming performance? Sure, is it going to PREVENT YOU FROM PUTTING ON EARMUFFS? Maybe if you're actually retarded. Like, this is such an incredibly basic action lol, it's like opening a door or pulling a trigger, it literally requires you to hold an object and put it over your ears lol.If military pilots can train to, under stress, operate everything they need to in order to be successful, I think you can put a fucking glorified hat on during a stressful situation. Legitimately what mental illness do you have? This is the only way adrenaline is going to make you so fucking useless you can't hold objects and place them on your head lol. How do you expect to hold a fucking gun, turn a doorknob, walk, or move your eyes if the stress is wrecking you so fucking hard you can't place an object on your head?
>>65598889>Like, this is such an incredibly basic actionAnd it's very well-documented that your shaking hands can fuck up incredibly basic actions when a shitload of adrenaline is coursing through your body.>How do you expect to hold a fucking gun, turn a doorknob, walk, or move your eyes if the stress is wrecking you so fucking hard you can't place an object on your head?I never said adrenaline will make it so you CAN'T put earpro on. It can, absolutely, however, make it take longer to do so. You may briefly fumble the earpro. It may take a little longer than normal to get a good seal. These moments may be important in a life or death scenario.
>>65598918>And it's very well-documented that your shaking hands can fuck up incredibly basic actions when a shitload of adrenaline is coursing through your body.Yeah, that's why you train you absolute retard lol. Again, your hypothetical has no actual real life analogy, you're arguing for a situation where taking, and I'll give you this, maybe a FEW seconds is literally the difference between you being dead or not, in this case, pick up your gun first, put on your earpro, and then go. OR just have a suppressed gun and suddenly you have a rifle that goes through soft armor and has twice the likelihood of a one stop shot. Not sure what your brain is unable to figure out.
>>65598996Training does not stop your body from producing hormones or those hormones from making your hands shake.>OR just have a suppressed gun and suddenly you have a rifle that goes through soft armorA suppressed AR-15 really shouldn't be fired indoors without earpro.
>>65596377>Hurr pistol ammo only goes 10 feet>Muh nogunzOh you're just baiting.
>>65599010>Training does not stop your body from producing hormones or those hormones from making your hands shake.Okay...and? Put your earpro on anyway.>A suppressed AR-15 really shouldn't be fired indoors without earpro.Neither should a PCC.
>>65599039A suppressed 9mm PCC with subsonic ammo will barely make your ears ring.Can't say the same about a suppressed AR-15.It's a legitimate advantage of the PCC platform for home defense.
>>65599010dis tranny talking about hormones in the context of a home invasion. he finna throw his dilator at the robber
>niggas pretend to give a shit about hearing loss but don't wear earpro at work
>>65599051Adrenaline is a hormone.
>>65599049Based on what metric? Your own personal anecdotal evidence?>https://www.caohc.org/UserFiles/file/Shot%20of%20Prevention%20extra%20handout.pdf>https://earinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Gunfire-Noise-Level-Chart-EAR-Customized-Hearing-Flyer.pdf>https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1696/0313/files/SoundComparison-Silencer-Supressor.jpg?v=1500407959
>>65599087The shopify link is the only link relevant to this conversation.It indicates that a suppressed AR-15 produces double the sound pressure and 4x the acoustic power of a suppressed 9mm.
to k or not to k?
>>65599107>lets move the goalpostsYeah, let's not. This whole discussion up to this point has been unsuppressed PCCs vs Suppressed AR15s / Using earpro with AR15s. This whole "BUT WHAT IF SUBSONIC, BUT WHAT IF SUPPRESSED PCC" is new because your retarded ass is backed into a corner. Using a suppressed AR15, or using earpro with it is fine and it gives you way better energy to deal with a threat, or penetrate armor. I'm not saying you can't use a PCC I'm saying it is what it is, short of fully automatic fire it has glaring shortcomings vs using an intermediate cartridge and everything outside of the FRT argument is just splitting the finest of hairs to try to brute force an imaginary scenario where your option is actually superior.It's not, get over it.
>>65599127MP5k makes no sense outside of vibes. if you want a small, soft-shooting PCC just get a 320 flux.
>>65599137I'm dead set on getting an mp5 clone at this point
>>65599132>This whole discussion up to this point has been unsuppressed PCCs vs Suppressed AR15s
>>65599142Whatever helps you cope.
The huglu mohac, uses CZ mags
>>65597130Sorry Mr ATF, "barely moving" is still moving
>>65599212>ugly mofoIt sure is.
>>65598695>>65598732>>65598747This guy talking about adrenaline sounds like he's never been in a fight but he's trying to lecture about motor control in a gunfight, lmao.
>>65599083yeah, for queers
Sure is a lot of samefagging going on in here.
>>65599390He said, to no one.
>>65598760He got 3 picksGoresuchI like beer manAmy Comey BarretOr however their names are supposed to be spelled. I'm too lazy to look it up.
>>65599137> recommending a 320> in TYOOL 2026Are you just telling him to kill himself or did SIG actually grow up and admit fault?
>>65599137I guess it really comes down to your preference on overall length, stock/brace options and aesthetics? I scored a pretty good deal on my ottoman K and it's super fun to shoot. On one hand I'd like a little more real estate on the handguard since I have long arms and big hands, but on the other end I'm glad the gun will stay pretty compact when I stick a can on there soon. Wicked fun with an FRT as well.>>65599137You'd kind of have a point if you said bog or kuna, but a chassis gun isn't really the same kind of gun and you're asking someone to pay ~$1500ish for a fucking P320! In no universe is the thigh mutilator as fun of a gun to own as an MP5.
>>65599457I think the k looks cooler esp with a suppressor and I'm a sucker for getting shit as compact as I can, but yeah I'm worried about not as much room on the handguard and comfort so I might go full size instead. For sure I'll have to think about it. I also would ideally like to put a light on it but I'm not exactly sure how that works for the k.
>>65599466I should mention I do think the issue is mostly alleviated with an SBRization and a good vertical grip.Mine came with an MLOK handguard so I could stick a light on there if I want.
>>65599481Ah cool. Shit I might end up wanting to buy all variants of it.
