>served 30 years>used in exactly 0 air battleskek this plane will literally be retired before seeing a single use.
>>65599063That's not true. It shot down a balloon that one time.
>>65599063Hey now it shot at a balloon once, never forget the battle of balloons
It's going to take ~10+ years for the F-47 production to replace the entire F-22 fleet, so it'll likely remain in service until 2040-ish.
The money wasted on this useless hangar queen would have funded all 32 Zumwalts, by the way.
>>65599074I think they could keep it up to 2100 and it still wouldn't see a war.
>>65599078Probably true, but the cost to keep it in service after the F-47 fleet is built just isn't worth the ROI.
>>65599063We basically have zero lines dedicated to keeping these maintained as there's only about 150 of them, why bother when there's over a thousand F-35s, foreign nations purchase the F-35 and they're more modern?
>>65599063It terrifies anyone who would be considered "near-peer". Shamefur.
>>65599063Deterrence through technological domination may be boring, but it's effective
>>65599063i'd say that it might be an insurance policy that's worth it
>>65599152The F-35 is better but sure, it's the 40% readiness rate hangar queen which terrifies everyone.
>>65599169>F-22 is a hangar queen at 40% readiness>F-35 is superior with its 44% readinessYeah, sure, OK.
>>65599063If the Chinese balloon doesnt count, that Iranian Yak-130 shouldnt count either.
>>65599169The hangar queen is satan's acrobat.
F-22 is American T-14 meme garbage at this point. F-15 is still king with F-35 being its fine succesor.
>>65599063>30 yearshow does i math
>set out to create incomparable air superiority fighter>is so far ahead of enemy aircraft that even in the twilight of its career nobody fighting it can get something into the air against it>third worlders want me to believe this is a bad thingIt’s done better than its designers would’ve dared to hope. Killing an enemy still on the ground or even scaring them so badly they won’t come out to challenge you when it’s known you’re around are far better outcomes than allowing the enemy to take a shot at you.
>>65599200There are 9x as many F-35s as there are F-22s my dear retard, and it has been proven in combat whereas the F-22 fell the great beast which was a fucking balloon.
>>65599063its so good, nobody could/would challenge it. thats a win. there were situations where other nations could try to paint the f22 and nobody has ever tried to downplay it, that says all you need to hear.
>>65599063Greatest air battle over continental US… …ever.
>>65599063The greatest duelist ever, but never got to fight a single duel. Raptor is a tragic figure
>>65599344You don't win an air campaign via 1v1s, in a battle between 10 F-22s and 10 F-35s it's the latter that will win because they can work together better than the F-22s ever could.
>>65599314>m-m-my dear retardYou're the idiot who brought up readiness without checking. Is the thirdie upset? Oh yes, he's very upset.
>>65599266>F-15 is still king with F-35 being its fine succesor.the F-15 will outlive the F-35
>>65599169>he thinks readiness rate mattersLmao
>>65599381Even though the F-35 has nearly the exact same readiness that still means there are multiple times more that could be flown than the F-22, and of course my primary point is that it's a better aircraft, which it is. But sure, "Thirdie melty" or whatever generic insult you have to use to cope.
>>65599066>>65599071Baloon killerShameful display
Fuel is expen$ive, man.
>>65599063it has been used in numerous air campaigns.>>65599078It has seen plenty of war. It's not the F-22's fault that US forces are too good, the trump card never gets to do anything more than lurk.
>>65602641>US forces are too goodStrait status?
>>65599063zero air battles because the F-22 was such massive overmatch that no one dared to donate their air fleet to the scrapyard throughout its service life
>>65599426>expensive and unproven F-35>F-15 that crumbles in the air if a turn is just a little too tightBoth are shit and the F-5 will outlast both. We should really be doing a buy back of all other air force's F-5s. Also the F-4 retirement was a fucking mistake and it would kick derka derka ass harder than any nancy boy 4th or 5th gen.
>>65599063Will it outlive the F-15?
>>65602666F-16 does the job of both the F-4 and F-5 fine. And even it's starting to get long in the tooth.
>>65602662closed to iran and nobody else, my angry, brown retard friend.
>>65602666pierre sprey stop escaping from hell, this is like the third time.
>>65603231>>65603252F-16 is okay but honestly the F-5 did the job just as well. The YA-7F should have been serving in alongside the F-5. Would have been the perfect aircraft. One can dream.
>>65603829F5 combat radius is less than half of the viper’s (not counting cfts etc)
>>65599063>this is a bad thing somehow
Never understood this thing some people said that the tooling to produce them was destroyed but it just doesn't make sense.Anyone has any idea ? Looks like most of you believe that it's still better than anything else but I don't really believe that, am I wrong ? It never fought , why ? It shouldve been sent at least to gather data on its performances
>>65599063It's kind of like the F-106, or F-102. Designed to be super fighters against the Soviet's best threats but didn't have to do a whole lot. The F-22 is basically the F-106 of the present day.
>>65603962>Anyone has any idea ?Production line got shutdown and its assets were retooled for the F-35. Tooling doesn't get "destroyed" necessary
>>65599149It may look similar but the plane serves a different purpose. Educate yourself on that purpose and you'll see why it makes sense to have both.>>65599266Oh hey another idiot that doesn't understandDo people just like the sound of your own voice? Why would you mouth off and form an opinion on something when you don't even grasp the fundamentals?
>>65599063in hindsight it was an incredibly stupid idea to abandon the F-22.fuck Francis Fukuyama, fuck peace. PEER WAR NOW!
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>>65603829no, no it didn't, you're a dumbass.
>>65599063>30 yearsWhat the fuck timeline are you living on?
>>65599266anon. F-15Ex in an actual battlefield with all the sensor support the F-35 would also get: would delete the F-35. Completely unsupported, B7R style? F-35 gets an advantage for stealth, but the sensors on an EX do some work.
>>656042121996-2026. It started manufacturing in 1996, anon. F22s are psycho hags.
>>65603875>F5 combat radius is less than half of the viper’s (not counting cfts etc)It isn't. I assume you're getting this off Wikipedia where the F16 combat radius is 300nm for a strike mission with bombs and F5 combat radius is 150nm for a CAS mission with a similar payload of bombs. CAS missions include loiter time at low altitude, strike missions don't. The difference is, like, 10% for a comparable mission profile. Also it's pretty wild wanting to compare a Viper to an unupgraded F5, but anyway.
>>65604243>The Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor officially entered service with the United States Air Force on December 15, 2005, as the F-22A.Production isn't service.
>>65604308Who the fuck counts airframe life from the date of first production, and not the date it first entered service?
>>65599063>the 30 year old air to air virgin H-he just needs more time …
