what do we think of the arena system? Is it good or untested Russian garbage?
>>65599818Sir this is /k/, there can be only the consensus opinion on Russian equipment.
>>65599818>untested Russian garbageNo such thing. Russian garbage has been tested very thoroughly in the past few years.
>>65599818>>65599821according to wikipedia, its first publicly acknowledged use was in 2026 where it successfully protected a T-72B3 from FPV drones until it ran out of ammo, whereupon the 13th FPV drone was able to hit the targetout of a sample size of 1, we have 1 successnot counting all other unrecorded events that might show different levels of success or failure, pre-empting the stupid bullet-holes on plane meme before someone decides to shove that in herethere is also the inductive reasoning that they wouldnt bother putting it on a tank if it didnt work in the first place, but the desperation of russians to install anything at this point dilutes that argumentwhich leads to the second argument that if the russians waited until now to use it, then it couldnt have been that good, which conflicts with our first and only public use of the device being successfulany further arguments is pure sophistry until we get the 200-hour snyder cut showing every single use of arena
It's not untested but it's garbage
>>65599831What blew up?
>>65599838a T-72B3, obviouslysince the vehicle was eventually defeated when arena ran out of ammo
>>65599831>out of a sample size of 1, we have 1 successXaxaxa HATO hoholtrannies tremblinged Russia built this and only encounters has FULL SUCCESS RATE, this 100% success but it succeeded 12 shots and 100 is divideable by 10s not 12s so it mean that success rate is over 120% actually russian ARENA beyond perfkect, meanwhile USKKKA and EU tranny wheep and waste money while they freeze on Abrahams and Leotard wunderwaffe, wect is furnished
>>65599879They unironically output text like this and I'm supposed to believe they're not llm bots unleashed to sow discord.
>>65599892You wife was bred by black bvlls while you fight for zelenskyyhato nazi qnd die to armata ?yandex.translate/servk/lang=ru&output=en/invalid_character-व्यभिचारी-parsing_please_reformat_text&display_temp_offline_banner
>>65599915KEK nice
>>65599892This is mostly translated/adapted RU pro-regime and/propaganda talk from RU 2ch
>>65599967So llm propaganda bots.
>>65599970A lot of them are real people doing shill posting. It's just that many of them can't really into English and thus have to use LLM and other translation tools to write the responses for them.
>>65599994If it's real people, i refuse to believe they're not paid. Or somehow don't struggle with serious retardation irl. Funny thing is, as a Hungarian I've seen these talking points from the early 2000s, checked russian propaganda too, and they were 100% literal translations of russki propaganda. They stood out like a sore thumb in organic Hungarian media, and they got orbman into power.Hunagry also showed that it's possible to defeat a kremlin takeover.
>>65599818it works. objectively, it is capable of shooting down drones, at least if it's the same system I'm thinking of. is it as good as western stuff? no. is it sufficient for the russian army? probably not. but it does function, at least theroretically.
>>65599831Or....they just couldn't afford it?
>>65600155>just couldn't afford itThey can afford it, but probably it is not suited to their doctrines, like the armata.What is their doctrines you say?Massive numbers of cheap stuff that they can replace easily.
>>65600235Sometimes doctrine makes you pay for itSometimes doctrine is what you can pay for
>>65599831>until it ran out of ammo, whereupon the 13th FPV drone was able to hit the targetVery impressive. Defeating this device meant to protect a multi-million dollar vehicle cost almost six thousand dollars!Not to mention this extra lifetime might have let the tank advance a few hundred meters closer to the contact line. Only a few dozen more kilometers to go before it could be of any use.
>>6560028513 FPV drones cost more than 6k
>>65600286No they fucking don't. Less than $400 a piece.But let's assume they cost 10 times that.So it's about 50k to kill a tank. Long before it reaches the contact line. With zero risk to your personnel.THAT'S STILL FUCKING AMAZING CAPABILITY FOR PENNIESLUDDITES ON SUICIDE WATCHTOTALDRONEDOMINANCE
>>65600037>If it's real people, i refuse to believe they're not paid. Or somehow don't struggle with serious retardation irl.Quite a lot of them are not paid and do it for other reasons, such as the feeling of "being part of the fight" and shit. People in such degenerate societies often do crap because they associate themselves as being part of something bigger, since they themselves don't really represent much otherwise. Imagine how kids used to split and group based on subculture like goths and other such crap, because they wanted belonging, friends and sometimes even a sense of purpose, maybe even some guidance and simple answers. Well it's similar to this but for way older retards. "No, I'm not Ivan-the-loser-cuck, working for $300 per month at age 35, I'm part of the great russian empire, I'm fighting against western NATO MI6 khokhols online" and such. Yes, really. A lot of russians are like this due to culture. They will actively go out of their way to lie and shillpost online for the regime, even if nobody asked them to do it. RU 2ch anons called it "special agent pidorashka" mode of thinking and behavior, i.e. any random retard feels warm and fuzzy inside about being almost like a James Bond, while he lies "on behalf of the country" and such, i.e. he knows that what he's saying is not true, he's doing it "for the cause."
>>65600291Why are you being such a fag
cont. >>65600296Russian 2ch is a good case study for this, where after 2014 they brought a ton of non-organic tourists to "control the narrative" in regards to sensitive topics such as ukraine, donbas, crimea, sanctions and how it affects the country now and will affect in the future. Imagine hordes of obviously inorganic but technically real users who post just to "keep the fort down" in terms of discourse. They'd both create their own special "official" threads to maximize visual activity and keep it up. But as you can imagine when you get a fuck ton of non-organic users doing shit it quickly devolves from the initial "task" and morphs into an echo chamber for losers just talking about their IRL shit. A ton of them got doxxed due to this and found out that yes, in fact literally every single one was such a degenerate retard that they'd make a typical 4chang user seem like a respectable man in comparison. 40+ unc cucks, who give away their paycheck to their wife and then have to ask for some cash to buy premium in World of Tanks, so that they have something to play with, while the wife spends time with her ex. 30+ retards who's career peaked at working at a gas station. Trooned out "military and weapons experts" lmao. Teenage commies with cumstained pants ("lies, it was wood glue!!!!1111"). Shit, you don't even need to go for RU 2ch shills, you can check out the whole online pro-regime "pundit scene" in russia and it's one subhuman after another.
>>65600300He's right though. A typical FPV is a dime a dozen weapon.
>>65600300BECAUSEBecause you fucktards deny the truth whenever you don't like it.Zigger mindset.And unlike them, for you the inconvenient truth isn't even "my country and everything i grew up believing is fucked up and i'm powerless to do anything", it's merely "eww drones r gay."PATHETIC.
>>65599831>where it successfully protected a T-72B3 from FPV drones until it ran out of ammo, whereupon the 13th FPV drone was able to hit the targetGrim news, dear followers.Recently, our powerful T-A-N-K-S were equipped with analogueless Arena APS system. It is so good that no hoholina drones can defeat it. Which is what happened in the fierce battle between our Warriors and nazijews. Our tank guys were thoroughly penetrating the frontline, with the support of God and enemy's fire correction drone from above, and the aforementioned system Arena was easily defeating every terroristic fpv attack up to the count of 12 (the number of apostles, let me remind you). But satanists sadly also had the 13the drone which illegally penetrated our guys behinds... Eternal flight, cumreds...
>>65600306You type like a fucking woman on twitter.
>>65600318Why do you feel you have adapt such a marvelous term as "analogovnet"?
>>65600296>"No, I'm not Ivan-the-loser-cuck, working for $300 per month at age 35, I'm part of the great russian empire, I'm fighting against western NATO MI6 khokhols online"Kek that makes sense.
>>65600285the point of the system is to intercept enemy drones, it did so exactly as advertisedin a competent army, you arent leaving your units stationary for several minutes waiting for the APS ammo to deplete, but are on the move and informing your platoon leader that you are under attackalthough, a stationary tank thats just standing there and taking hits might simply have been abandoned, in which case the crew is still at fault here
>>65600395>you arent leaving your units stationary for several minutes waiting for the APS ammo to depleteWhat if (follow carefully now this is VERY VERY COMPLICATED HIGH IQ TRICK) the enemy sends a swarm of 12+ drones all at once?
>>65600398thats still the APS doing its job exactly as intended by forcing saturation attacks against a single target, when those 12 drones would have otherwised picked 12 other targets and succeeded in 12 missions?its also a passive deterrence against attacks of oppurtunity, since coordinating 12 drones to strike a single target requires a pre-planned operation as opposed to having 1-2 drones in the air already and striking at the first target they seeand if the APS activates, s sign you are under attack, then you can alert the rest of the platoon and any nearby units that you are under attack and can get SHORAD up to take more pressure off the APS
>>65599831>according to wikipedia, its first publicly acknowledged use was in 2026 where it successfully protected a T-72B3 from FPV drones until it ran out of ammo, whereupon the 13th FPV drone was able to hit the targetIs there any proof of this outside russians saying so? Because I need to remind you how they lied, lie and will continue to lie about the true capabilities of their gear.
>>65600395Who said the tank wasn't on the move? That won't help, we aren't talking about dumb artillery shells. Drones have no problem hitting a moving land vehicle with pinpoint accuracy.
>>65600407Remember places like Vuhledar, ukies routinely hit moving armored vehicles with dumb artillery.
>>65600409Sure that's possible with drone guidance, but it's honestly down to luck (or russians being dumb as usual and driving extremely predictably)
>>65600414it's actually pretty common and normal, you have pre-sighted artillery and spotters, drones just make this way easier, everyone just got accustomed to russians spending 10K+ shells per day transforming ground into a lunar surface
>>65600406https://x.com/kriegsforscherD/status/2086165753917509724?s=20the source is a ukranian who claims that arena does work fairly well, taking roughly 15-17 drone strikes to knock one out they saw the fully expended magazines on the T-72s APS before finally knocking it outthe russians have limited their comments to "this would have been really useful 3 years ago" and have refrained from saying too much else
>>65599818Ukies reported 100% intercept rate against their FPVs, so they just send more until it ran out of charges.FPVs are a hell of a lot slower than ATGMs or RPGs so no idea how it does against them.
>>65600419It's not "pretty common and normal" by any measure.It's literally only possible if you can perfectly predict enemy vehicle movement minutes ahead. Shell flight time is long. It happens yes, but only with insane luck and the target maintaining extremely predictable speed.
>>65600422>It's literally only possible if you can perfectly predict enemy vehicle movement minutes aheadWhich you can, because real life isn't a flat RTS map. There's a reason why russians drive tanks using roads.
>>65600427It would be a hard task to perfectly predict the future position of a civilian vehicle driving on a freeway according to speed limits. There's fluctuational and you're going to be totally off if you just use the speed limit as the average speed.If your guess (because that's what it is) for the average speed is off even a little, it's a miss by several vehicle lengths. Mere 1 m/s error over a minute is 60 meters.
>>65600432Armored vehicles barely crawl compared to civilian highway transportation
>>65600434Doesn't change the math any.Mere 1 m/s error in your avg velocity estimation is 60 meters miss over 60 seconds.
>>65600235They do have a long history of doing this exact thing, after all.
>>65599838I hate you as much as the ziggers.
>>65600302Sounds exactly like /chug/ kek.>>65600420Sounds like an effective system that the so-called russia just can't produce in enough numbers to matter due to being a third world shithole. I remember seeing multiple APS intercepts of rockets in Syria back in the day, so they certainly do know how to make a working APS.
>>65604257You don't know what third world means
>>65604261I'm using it colloquially, but without any Soviet Union there can't be a second world anymore, so it's fun to "demote" them to thirdies.
