if ukraine ran out of patriots then why didnt russia just start overflying kiev?
>>65599968because they haven't run out of patriots and other medium range systems are more than enough to keep russian aircraft away from ukraine's airspace, russian airforce doesn't know how to do SEAD/DEAD and are thusly cucked out by even the smallest level of air defense.
>>65599968Patriot is mainly important for ballistic missile defense. Aircraft can be shot down with IRIS-T SLM too.
>>65599968Because ukraine still has an airforce that would love to shoot down russian planes.
>>65600011Ukraine has used Chinese MANPADs many times during the war
>>65600228>OP image isnt ZelenskyTry image of zelenksy carrying weapon. It might work.
>>65599978>randomly brings up the Challenger 2 againThis zigger's obsessed.
>>65599968Are threads with OPs like these >>65600144 their idea of being subtle?
>>65599968yeah, they should totally do that! tell your handlers, that's a great plan.
>>65600011i can tell you never went out of your armpit of a town, Bubba
>>65600233I'm feeling ironic, so I got this from yandex.
>>65599968Thank you for not being a pussy and calling it Kiev.
>>65599968do you think russian pilots really want to run up against F-16's? on a more serious note the significant weakness of russian airframes to AD of practically all kinds makes western-style air superiority a pipedream. they can't SEAD any AD network that moves just a little bit, and they would then have to contend with hostile aircraft that have ground support. it's unsolvable because solving it would allow the military to stand a chance at succeeding in a coup, and that's untenable for russia's political climate.
>>65599968Russia never had Patriots yet Ukraine isn't overflying Moscow.The old Soviet SAMs both countries have thousands of are good enough to kill old Soviet planes.
>>65599968>>65599968who says they ran out of Patriots?they probably ran out of the allocation set aside for anti-ballistic missile defence, but obviously they have a "break glass in case of emergency" reserve set aside in case a Russian jet does happen to be so stupid as to take that at face value>>65601748>have*hadUkraine has run out of S-300 ammo. the US is helping them to manufacture a modern reverse-engineered copy, presumably with better electronics
>>65599968They ran out of Patriots, not out of fighter jets you utter mongoloid.
>>65602060>the US is helping them to manufacture a modern reverse-engineered copy, presumably with better electronicsTrump said the US would grant them a license but nothing happened so far.
>thinly-veiled concern trolling thread during a pozzian chimpout
>>65600011Wind your neck in, retard. The grown ups are talking. If we wanted to hear your shit takes, we would've phoned your personal tard-wrangler and asked him to put you on speaker.
>>65599968They aren't out of Patriots, they're running low on later variants with enhanced ABM capa
>>65599968Multiple reasons1) Ukrainian stocks of anti-ballistic missiles are the most severely depleted, older and simpler systems still remain effective against 4th gen aircraft2) airbases near Ukraine have been heavily suppressed, pushing Russian planes further from the front3) overflights are an unnecessary risk of airframes that can do other jobs
>>65602072the contract was only signed like 31 days ago you fucking idiot
>>65602072You’re conflating two different things here. The S-300 clones they’ve been approved to buy and Trump promising a Patriot license seemingly without consulting the military or manufacturers before walking back on it are entirely unrelated.
What's stopping US generals from just removing agent Krasnov and going full TZD?Everyone's oath is to remove not just foreign adversaries but also domestic.
Russian air force is only for CAS.
>>65602060SA-2s and SA-6s are still a real threat to 4th gens, don't need triple digit SAMs for flankers.
>>65602308Why would they? Ukraine is already a guaranteed victory for us, and there’s bigger fish to fry like Iran. The US has a lot of theaters of operation to focus on, and we helped out Ukraine enough to ensure they’ll get all their territory back and effectively dismantle Russia entirely.
>>65605435Okay Ivan
>>65605396>SA-2s and SA-6s are still a real threat to 4th gensLolLmao
>>65605445You might be laughing, this pilot wasn't.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uh4yMAx2UA
>>65605445>>65605479An I know you'll say >but he dodged themStroke 4 ate shit.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_Q_Strike
>>65605479>>65605525>1970s SAMs must certainly be deadly against 2020s ECM because it was deadly* against 1980s ECM>*deadly meaning shot down 2 out of dozens of aircraftbruh
>>65602308>Everyone's oath is to remove not just foreign adversaries but also domestic.Proving it is non-trivial and the cost of doing so is extensive damage to the institutions you're allegedly protecting.
>>65606106Yeah you’d have to define what an enemy even is in the first place.
>>65606111If it were too easy to label a president as an enemy, Nixon could have been couped for the China detente, on the grounds of doing business with communists or something.There's not much beyond a potus delivering a mission report on bended knee before a rival nation's supreme leader, that would qualify as proof that something isn't just politics.You know the scifi trope where a leader achieves the wisdom to understand how to avoid conflict and is then murdered by his own people who are too consumed by hate to go along with his plan?It would be like that but from the opposite side.
>>65606055>Russia and Ukraine have heavily modernized their soviet fleets
>>65602075What happened this time?
>>65606542Yes.
>>65606588>block 30 to 52>heavily modernized>soviet
>>65599968>if ukraine ran out of patriots then why didnt Russia just start overflying keev?Russia simply sends the missile directly...no need for the fighter jet middle-man anymore
>>65606649Out of necessity, with concomitant loss of accuracy.
>>65606706>Out of necessity, with concomitant loss of accuracy.but with no difference in overall strategic efficacy....so the risk/reward of jet option calculus isnt there.its far far cheaper to simply send another missile than it is to replace even a single lost jet
>>65606723>but with no difference in overall strategic efficacyLol. Lmao even.
>>65606723Careful, pidor - insulting the BBC like that is liable to get you reassigned as an assault cook.
>>65606847>Careful, pidor - insulting the BBC like that is liable to get you *POCCNR'd*
>>65607058What's the point of fighting for pussy if you're dying in a field in another country instead of being at home fucking that pussy?
>>65606640Ukraine modernised their Soviet jet-equipped air force with NATO jets.>inb4 well I meant their Soviet jets not their NATO jetsthen it would be irrelevant to the thread since Ukraine has fewer operational Soviet jets than NATO jets>block 30 to 52they have additional Ukraine-specific kit, it's easy now that things are so plug-and-play
>>65600029their mlu f16s are equivalent to what? block 40 ? i highly doubt they are capable to do anything
>>65606640>block 30 to 52lol>heavily modernized>>65607823>their mlu f16s are equivalent to what? block 40 ? i highly doubt they are capable to do anythingLMAOOOOOO
>>65607762>they have additional Ukraine-specific kit, it's easy now that things are so plug-and-play>ukraine specificbro why you people post shit around like what you think a package is? kfc?
>>65608235speak english you stupid shit eater
>>65599997>Patriot is mainly important for ballistic missile defenseno its not lol patriots are incredibly good for anti-aircraft.
>>65599971I read some youtube xomments that insisted that the russian airforce was not only capable of sead but excelled at it. Their version of sead, as described by this model of human intelligence, was to fly towards AD sights until you get shot at, then run away
>>65608292That sounds worse than not doing anything at all.
>>65608288>no its not lol patriots are incredibly good for anti-aircraft.was/were
>>65608304I'd say it's almost worse, as at least you stand to waste a missile at the cost of airframe hours only. But that's best case scenario. The same poster also said that, according to another audio track (she lives in canada, you probably don't know her) they had succesfully engaged and destroyed the launch site with their wingman
>>65608285i spoke english mudslime ukraine got nothing their f16s are older than block 50 so they cant get anything close to block 70 or block 60 because it also requires structural changes
>>65608554>she...Syrian Girl?(granted, it might call itself Iran Girl by now, I dunno)>>65608292>excelled at [shitty SEAD]that's not untrue>Their version of sead, as described by this model of human intelligence, was to fly towards AD sights until you get shot at, then run awayyeah, Iron Hand-esque missions is basically the best the Russian Air Force can do organicallythey kill lots more Ukrainian targets with coordinated ballistic missile strikes, those are by far more deadly
>>65608564NAYRT but you know nothing you fucking pseud
>>65608573>i know nothing go ahead tell us more please PLEASE
>>65602308Nothing at all besides their own self interest.Besides, you would risk not only yourself but unironic civil war.
>>65605432>ukraine is already a guaranteed victory for us, and there’s bigger fish to fry like Iran. The US has a lot of theaters of operation to focus on, and we helped out ukraine enough to ensure they’ll get all their territory back and effectively dismantle Russia entirely.
>>65605432>dismantle russia 5 years later they created a monster instead of imploding them
>>65608568>...Syrian Girl?Heh, that anon was referring to a US meme about a junior high kid boasting about getting a girlfriend during their summer vacation.It was a metaphor for how the so-called audio track probably does not exist.>(granted, it might call itself Iran Girl by now, I dunno)Heh, I DO know who you mean and it wouldn't surprise me.She's got to be on one of those cunts payrolls and I'm sure when one falls, the others can pick up the tab.
>>65610220Oh lolIf that had been>she goes to another school I'd have got it
