>here's your modern infantry combat, bro
>>65606660What was in that drone? Silly string and party poppers? Also>modern combat is boring looking>Water is wetShocking
>>65606672Looks to me like most of the payload capacity was taken up by the fiber optic spool.
>>65606660Is the video just grainy or are drones really small enough that by the time you see them it's a little too late?
How come they don’t carry those shotguns they use to shoot those clay things in that weird sport
>>65606845Trap and Skeet shooting isnt weird!>:(
>>65606845Because practical shotguns are a neglected firearm type in eastern europe. They are not mass produced at the scale needed and the shotguns Russians/Ukrainians have access to are generally pretty shit. The population also has hardly any natural skill pool to tap into that could effectively use them in an anti drone role. The opposite is the reason America obliterates every trap and skeet competition in the world. If pushed, US soldiers could likely get away with these risky close quarters anti drone tactics with much better results
>>65606660>bumfight in eastern europe is representative of anything other than a bumfight in eastern europe
Ok, get boots on the ground in Iran, let's see how you handle fpv hell.
>>65606796I'd love to see the source, it looks sus overall.
>>65606861She looks like she fucks human men.
>>65606890Shotguns are literally the cheapest type of firearms to produce, your whole post sounds like utter nonsense.
>>65606909>let's see how you handle fpv hell.Pretty easily.
>>65606921The enemy has built a vast underground network for rapid redeployment, prepared ambushes and learned fpv usage tactics from its ally and/or imported instructors/drone units. The enemy has no qualms about using civilians as human shields and suicide bombers and will constantly harrass your bases, roads and field camps around the clock. Your society has low tolerance for casualties on top of already being in an unpopular war and is primed for demoralization campaigns.Now what?
>>65606845>>65606861>>65606890New sport idea: fpv drone shooting
here's your modern infantry combat, bro
>>65607013More like snuff films
>>65607013Damn he turned into meat.
>>65606941Destroy all of their dams and power generation facilities and never let them try to rebuild them.
>>65606845 >How come they don’t carry those shotguns they use to shoot those clay things in that weird sport If you carry a shotgun (+ammo), you can't carry a rifle (+ ammo; too bulky), meaning you have very limited engagement range, even with something like a semi-auto turkey-choked 10 gauge with tungsten shot (which is pretty much the heaviest shotgun which can be feasibly carried by a person). This doesn't really matter if you're doing security 5-something km behind the contact line (risk of infiltrators getting that far is minimal, but drones can reach without issues), but, even then, if you have to move out and switch positions, you must first go to a locker and swap guns (which increases logistic burden and degrades reaction time).
>>65607286>Destroy all of their damsnot like Iran has water anyway
>>65607347>Iran has water>Gulf state>Doesn't have waterLmao, amreimutt education everyone!
>>65607356Yum. An ocean of sodium enriched water. If only us we could be so lucky as those smelly persians.Idiot
>>65606845>How come they don’t carry those shotgunssome do and the results are mixed.
>>65607565gonna need birdshot, and at that distance, a much shorter barrel.
>>65606660How is it always footage of soldiers by themselves getting attacked? How do they always get separated from their platoon or group or whatever?
>>65607578you know the thousands of videos of lone APCs rushing to a tree line to drop off soldiers, but it hits a mine and is abandoned, and then men run off in all directions?That is all it is. The survivors find a hole or try to just walk back home, alone. They are picked off by drones one by one. Been this was since 2023. Just these days they are using more civilian vehicles like dirt bikes and quads to rush the tree lines, since armor is near obsolete and they count on speed saving them (sometimes). /pol/ will tell you they are staged execution videos of Russian POWs, all 4768 of these videos, but they also ate a lot of lead paint chips as children.
>>65606890Benelli semi auto shotguns are held in high regard for drone shooting in Ukraine
>>65606921if the enemy can sneak a manpad/SAM launcher and hit a fighter jet, they surely can sneak drones and hit infantry
>>65606660i saw it coming and i got flashbacks from the ptsd when i first saw the manhack on half life 2
>>65607344You can, and people do it all the time, but it's a pain in the ass. If you have access to ok quality duplex/drone rounds they're a better idea since you can just have a couple of mags for that shit and you can actually shoot your weapon effectively under duress because you're familiar with it
>>65606890>>65606845IIRC both sides started training men to take down drones with shotguns at the squad level back in like 2023. The reason you don't see/hear about it is because you'll never see drone footage of a guy downing one with a shotgun is picrel, basically
>>65607665oh wow, someone should reinforce the areas where all those red dots are!
>>65607673We got a smallbrain over here!
>>65607578Russians use infiltration tactics. They send soldiers individually to forward positions to gradually concentrate their forces there, because any large group is spotted by drones and destroyed. Sending individual guys every couple of hours, despite their low survival rates, results in fewer overall losses.That's also why you see so many suicide videos of wounded Russian assault troops. They know that there is no help coming. Defensive positions are also manned by only 3 to 4 dudes on both sides. If a dug-out is destroyed you end up with a small number of survivors trying to reach other positions. The Russians also use low-quality men like old people to carry supplies to forward positions. They are called mules. That's why you have the "genre" of drone video where grandpa Ivan loaded with canisters or duffel bags gets droned. The Russian commanders send them on their own because, just like the infiltrators, it makes them a tiny bit harder to spot.
>>65606796Things look really small until they are very close, gotta do something with FOV and an inverse and some math shit. It's gonna be a dot in the sky most of the time.
Jej
>>65607575realistically for the situations we're seeing #2 and lower steel is pretty effective but someone is going to need to overbore a 12 gauge like the mossberg 835 is and get it reliably semi-auto like a 1301, chambered for 3.5 inch shells and design a recoil dampening system specifically for it so average the average joe can sling fuck off magnum loads of number 4 buck at death drones
>>65606921>day 236 of the 24 hour regime change operation>"it'll be easy"
>>65607655Drone rounds sort of work, but you only get 4 beads per round. You get a lot more in a shotgun, even with a standard 2¾ shell.
>>65606915Agreed
>>65607013>and next up Sergey Semenov with the long jump!
>>65606681yeah, wireless drones use RPG warehead or heavier explosives, wired drones use smaller warheads like grenades, they are less explosive but send a lot of shrapnels so even if you don't kill the enemy on the first hit, they have a chance to bleed out in a field if they don't have first aid.
>>65607733>*confirmed
>>65606941unregulated use of MOAB, WW2 style carpet bombings and doubled up artillery strikes like in Korea.now what?
>>65607786There's a Russian company, "Techcrim", that produces rounds with 7. I wonder how effective those are since there's a 85% chance that it's just a scam to get a government contract.
>>65607822>company selling dedicated anti drone ammo at dollars on the dollar>look inside shotgun shell>just a regular fucking shotgun shelllol, lmao even. No wonder the russian government is selling bonds at fucking awful prices
>>65607817Ok zister, join the pile. Maybe you'll be the lucky 300000th. Make sure to die in one piece (not get gibbed by drone) and report your passing so it can be verified (you don't want to become nameless fertilizer, do you?)https://200.zona.media/
>>65607841listen lets get real there is quite literally no way to confirm those numbers even if we account that they just cut the videos down to the last 5 seconds at the worst possible bitrate and resultion you roughly gonna need (for their claimed number SO FAR) at about 9 petabytes +- 300 gigabytes cause im bored to do the exact mathyou need an ARMY of editors alone for this kind of task so people just roll with it
>>65607847The deaths are confirmed via obituaries and regional news reports, not by drone videos.
>>65607822>4.5mm Those are .177'' BBs. Federal Speed-Shok packs 81 of them in a 3'' shell. I'd say 81 is better than 7, especially since undercaliber BBs out of a rifle barrel aren't more accurate than out of a shotgun.
>>65607847You can just count the bodies on the ground afterwards. It's not like anyone is coming to collect them.
>>65606920>>65607598Them being cheap and effective has nothing to do with his argument. He is saying that yes they are cheap, but Ukraine does not have existing infrastructure for their sale and distribution, nor does it have many people who ever fired a shotgun prior to 2022. By comparison, the United States has a very large population of shotgun owners (tens of millions, probably near 100 million) the vast majority of which are either pumps or semis. Your average American infantry squad probably has at least 2-3 guys who shot skeet or sporting clays or whatever for fun as a teenager. Hence if you were to just issue shotguns to every infantry squad in the US Army, it would probably go surprisingly well as a stopgap anti-drone measure, with higher efficacy than handing shotguns to random Ukrainians, even if they are veterans.
>>65607850so there are out there nearly 400.000 obituaries and news about each and every soldier that died?jesus christ dude wtf are you smoking>>65607855who is gonna count them on enemy territory?
>>65607886>so there are out there nearly 400.000 obituaries and news about each and every soldier that died?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M26wmKY-e3IThose that are reported to relatives, yes. Most are nameless fertilizer who nobody bothers to pick up.
>>65607886>who is gonna count them on enemy territory?Aerial photography. The other thing that drones are good for.
>>65607886>so there are out there nearly 400.000 obituaries and news about each and every soldier that died?Yes, you can click on the source that is linked on the website. That's how it works.
>>65607894right right ofc and who is keeping tabs? please tell us not your words we need actual evidence >>65607909https://archive.ph/qtiv7i guess a necromancer found him
>>65607912That doesn't link to anything.
>>65607912It's case sensitive.https://archive.ph/qTIV7 not qtiv7>>65607912>and who is keeping tabs? please tell usMediazona
>>65607915no shit anon the link the picture has as evidence doesnt exist cause according to waybackmachine it never did
>>65607912>not your words we need actual evidenceThe links are right there, just because you're trying to mistype the link like a disingenuous little pidor that you are doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>>65607917>its case sensitivewhy the fuck its case sensitive? my god sometimes i just wanna fucking end my life
>>65607912Lying little shit.
>>65607841oh no man you don't get it, that's JUST the 'claimed' kills, there's absolutely more zig's dead and dying than anyone really knows.
>>6560773510 gauge goose guns are the answer anon
>>65607925>>65607924no shit you vermin however i asked who keeps tabs on 400.000 dead people not a random one
>>65607942Journalists trawling through pozzian social media, you fucking retard.
It wasn't wrong, it was just too early.
>>65607565Wow that nigga is retarded. Probably a turk shit shotgun that jammed.
>>65607947so basicly nobody of importance is actually keeping tabs because if you believe jurnalists from any side on a war you are a lost cause
>nobody of importanceHere petuh, huff some more copium.
>>65607955how is this a copium you retard? im asking something valid jurnalists arent to be trusted what so ever in any war to say that they are actually keep tabs on 400.000 dead people while having no way to provide proof for such number is pure stupidity
>lying snownigger keeps doubling down on his retarded lies
yeah i just got ITT, just woke upmy diagnosis: BODIED and COPING loltalk about goalpost moving
>>65606660One solution is conducting movement underground. Of course this relies on existing infrastructure, unless you plan on digging new tunnels
>>65607963>>65607995im sorry me asking for a source and you say jurnalists while providing absolutely no proof is me coping?ok lol
>>65608004It's all fun and games until the enemy figures out what you're doing and floods the pipeline with water.
>>65606796I know I couldn't aim a rifle to shoot one down in time. Something lighter like a Marlin I could try.
>>65606890>practical shotguns>for skeetYou fucking moron>t. England national team skeet shooter
>>65606890>The opposite is the reason America obliterates every trap and skeet competition in the worldAlso this is utter nonsense, Kim Rhode and Vincent Hancock are great, but you dont dominate shit, Amber Rutter and Nathan Hale from England and many many others around the world are as good if not better.If you open your mouth make sure shit doesn't just spill out
I have made the case that the average Americans shooting competency is higher than the average yuros just based on availability. Everyone I know has at least fired one. That isn’t true in yurop.
>>65606845Don't worry, the Russian arms industry is working on it.
>>65607819>unregulated use of MOAB, WW2 style carpet bombings and doubled up artillery strikes like in Korea.>now what?We don't have the stockpiles or production capacity to sustain that for more than a month.It will probably take longer than that.
>>65606890This is such a retarded post. Shotguns are basically the only gun a normal person in Russia can even buy.
>>65608115>zuicide tube
>>65607578Because there are no platoons. Your mind operates in 19th and 20th century military logic. In the 21st century if you gather a platoon and they get vaporized by a strike.
>>65607575birdshot doesn't shoot down a drone, retard
>>65608115This wouldn't be the worst idea if it shot a very large cloud of projectiles with a close range wide choke.
>>65607665>you'll never see drone footage of a guy downing one with a shotgunhttps://youtu.be/YTQJqdJI9es
>>65607948This, Metal Storm, Bolton-Paul Defiant...What other war-changing technology directly applicable this very moment we are NOT getting simply because some visionary genius or other brought his idea a tit too soon?
>>65607013gmod tier rag doll physics
>>65608115how fucking difficult is it to make a sawed off side by side shotgun
>>65606890One of the most uneducated posts I've read all month. The battle rattle of all the pro- and anti-Euromaidan militias (or rather bands) that sprang up in Ukraine at the end of 2013 included plenty of shotguns of different makes.
we already had a perfect shotgun design the becker blow dorward revolving shotgun
>>65608559That's modern naval combat.
>>65606890>If pushed, US soldiers could likelysuddenly realize they are not dying for le ZOG when confronted with the prospect of an actual war and not just spamming missiles until you beg your other enemy for oil then pat yourself on the shoulder for winning the war and a job well done and here's me playing smart on the internet?
>>65608115I actually think a disposable pipe shotgun would be a good product, but not for human use.>Super light disposable one shot shotgun, basically a pipe with some fittings to make a firing pin work>Mount it to a drone lined up with camera>When you either shoot it at another drone in the case of recon drones chasing each other or a Mobik, the recoil just detaches the pipe which falls away so the dirt cheap drone carrying it doesn't get shredded by the force
>>65608607Truly the black sea fleet is not to be trifled with.
>>65607589Noone but the most obsessed chuggies from 2022 believes that shit on /pol/They reply first on every Ukraine thread though, same 4 people 12h a day half using avatarfag images.Anyone with a brain knows its harder to capture POWs than to just blow up line infantry, Russia isn't making the few gains it gets underground after all, they have to expose themselves for gains.
>>65608711>dying for zogBait.
>>65608787They've already moved beyond that into multi-shot designs with vents at the back to eliminate recoil.
I don’t think there was ever an era where infantry combat was fun
>>65606890How did you fit this much stupid in on post? Honestly Quite Amazing
>>65607924>Illiterate who can't capitalize properly driven to suicide by case-sensitive linksDo it anon, I wanna see that headline.
>>65608912>the internet as a whole move away from case sensitive sites because it was a terrible idea >YOU ARE ILLITERATE
>>65608920illiterate and retarded if you ask meweb domains have never been case sensitivefile systems have always been--yes, even the ones windows uses, there's just a retard filter on top
>>65607563Shut the fuck up, retard.
>>65607841Shut the fuck up, you retarded shill piece of shit.
>>65608934>>65608938Brownoid melty.
>>65608930>web domains have never been case sensitivetime for a history lesson bot crawlers started to force inject non case sensitive versions at around when firefox first came out
>>65608961wtf are you talking about
>>65606660This is litowally videogames
>>65609190I haven't thought about that game in 10 years.
>>65608074Are they actually near any sources of water to do this? Although I wouldn't put it past some retarded russian commander to use their precious drinking water to try and "drown" a tunnel.
>>65609199i still haven't played the sequel/reboot. sometimes when i'm bored i boot it up with mods and kill drones with a 12g
>>65607886400,000 mames obituaries.I will remind the thread that Russia banned the use of obituaries in Russia without permission by the state back in late 2024 as Ukraine was using itbas a metric to test casualties from varying their tacticsSo not only is it only counting the confirmed dead, it's also well underreported by matters of state.This means the actual numbers reported should theoretically be significantly higher.
>>65608211Not anymore. Monke outlawed it
>>65608559That’s a good one. I remember watching one in Afghanistan where we droned three dudes in a boat as they crossed a river and two never came back up. The third was trailing blood through the dirty water like a shark attack victim. He swam to shore and just laid there and died.
>>65607013>*Wilhelm scream*
>>65607713Mega wrinkle brain for the winning design.
>>65609185figured you are a tech illiterate>>65609314the problem isnt the number the problem is who gets to be the authority on calling dibshowever with google translate and some....gravedigginghttps://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5393593this happened in 2022
>>65607924>why the fuck its case sensitive?Because increasing the digit range from 36 to 62 reduces the number of digits needed, shortening URLs.It also takes no more space to store since you're already dedicating 2-4 bytes per character.
>>65609190Fuck yeah, love this game>>65609307I enjoyed the sequel and don't regret buying it, but when I go back to play now I pick up the first one more often than the second, mostly because of mods.
>>65608930>there's just a retard filter on topIt's not retarded, it's actually complex to fucked up levels. The normalization which has to run is bananas. And yes, just using file names "as is" only makes sense for retarded nerds, not for real users. Real world is too complex outside your comfy ASCII character set to just use crap directly without normalization.
>>65609314Bruh, back in 2014 they beat up and arrested people for filming and photographing graves because a jump in fresh graves easily confirmed ruslims fighting under the guise of "separatists in Ukraine".
>>65606660I can't be the only one who thinks the first few seconds of this clip looks exactly like an old FPS like MOHAA and Killzone, right?
>>65610328>brown and grey filter really was realistic all along
>>65609298Other methods would also work, like piping vehicle exhaust into the pipeline.
>>65606660Why waste all your time becoming physically capable and competent when you could develop the vidya skills of an 8 year old?God fucking damn, drones are top tier faggot warfare.
>>65611175>faggot warfare.Cry more, faggot. Drones is the future. Super duper spec ops with years of training and fit physical condition is going to be gaped by fat retard with multiple years of experience in drones warfare (From playing vidya all the time in their basement)
>>65606915W.which is a g.good thing r.right?
>>65607565>mixedMore like shit.
>>65607948Read up about the extractor problems. AA12 was essentially made for sharp rim proprietary ammo instead of being properly compatible with the worldwide standard 12g, which would make it a terrible choice for the ukraine war.
>>65610359I was thinking more of the way the weapon is held looks in the clip
>>65611175How is it any different from being blown away by a gunner sitting on a chair inside an SPG?
>>65611254I can see a gunner's sight and I can see a commander's seat and a driver's seat but I don't see a gunner's seat.Do they have to sit on the shells or something?
>>65611365The gunners seat folds on the left side
>>65606660I am kinda glad „Mack“ died before all of this so he didn't have to see his 2030 predictions go up in smoke.
>>65613744Thanks anon.
>>65608305>all the guns in screamers were combo carbines and shotgun/launchersHorry Sheeit!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC1qLYsyIfo
>>65607917>>65607917>It's case sensitiveWhat the other guy said >>65607924
Nothing will surpass this as the perfect explanation of modern war for me, desu.Until chemical weapons get deployed en masse again, and then I'd probably use a webm of that.
>>65606845>>65606861Precisely. Use shotguns ffs. Even stupid shit like birdshot can get the job done.
>>65607565They have a fucking Saiga, why not use that?>using a civilian pump-actionDeserved to get rekt.
>>65610189>>65610306Reminder that it's enforced.
>>65614928>photograph some graves to show your own people what's happening>HIGH TREASONAh, russia. Never change.
>>65614958What else would you call it? Treason is simply the betrayal of the state, knowingly or otherwise and we all know that state apparatuses especially in Russia almost never represents it's people.
>>65614958Oh, but they are changing. For the worse.2026 was more totalitarian than every year from 2000 to 2025 COMBINED.Kremlin is struggling to keep its cattle under control.
>>65614928>maximum-security penal colonyOh I bet its gonna be penal...
>>65606660What if every infantryman was just given one of these?
>>65615022That would be a convenient way to guarantee the drone explodes at the optimum airburst distance from your face. Also extra shrapnel. Hopefully the net is metal for the best effect.
>>65615032Not true, it would be a militerized fishing net, so it would be brown, cost twice the total worth of any soldier, emit EMP jamming noise from its mesh services to prevent explosions and then be shelved for being prohibitively expensive.
>>65615038>emit EMP jamming noise from its mesh services to prevent explosions
>>65615038>emit EMP to prevent explosionsWill the EMP kindly ask the mechanical detonators for their consent?
>>65615041Drone operators hate this one legal trick.>I DO NOT CONSENT >I DO NOT CONSENT >I AM A CITIZEN UNDER LAW >ARE YOU DETAINING ME
>>65615032The net gun, that shoots tiny nets, already exists.
>>65614928>be Nikolai>too old for conscription service, too smart to get tricked into signing a contract>have a few friends, not as smart, but still good, reliable lads>they come back one by one in wooden boxes>take a pic of the grave every time since there's nothing else left of them>get 14 years of gulag for high treason and espionage, like back under Koba>at least all the boys will be back together soon
>>65614976>What else would you call it?Counter-revolutionary activity and sabotage, duh.
>>65614976>Treason is simply the betrayal of the state, knowingly or otherwiseThe "knowingly" part is quite important when talking about criminal justice....then I remembered you're talking about Russia and realised how silly I was being.
>>65614090Been a while since I saw that oneHonestly up there with the razor wire suicide as the worst death of the war on video
>>65607286>Destroy all of their dams and power generation facilities and never let them try to rebuild them.then Iran instantly retaliates before the jets even leave the airspace on all gulf nations desalination, power and oil industry, rendering a region of 1+billion angry Muslims uninhabitable, (and now stateless) and ~3 days from imminent death via 'no water'...what do you think happens then..?and why would the rest of the world sit back and tolerate such flippant, israeli-doctrine self-harming idiocy like doing 'bridge and powerplant' day in Iran..? the implications for the rest of them would be grim at best...certain incoming death at worst
>>65615012Indeed.The last free press evacuated in spring, irc. A dark veil has descended behind the iron curtain again and every week they pass something new adding further restrictions.
>>65616498I wonder how many years it'll take until we hear about the rape and extermination camps to which they shipped people from occupied ukraine.
