haiti is preparing to fight salvadorthoughts on their gear/tactics?
For those wondering, some Haitian gang kidnapped Salvadorin aviation technicians in the middle of the night, I think, and now the Salvadorins are coming in to get their guys out
>>65607108They seem well prepared for the task. The Salvadorans will surely meet their equals on this pathetic battlefield.
im just finding it amazing how ignorant these niggers are. theres one where they are flexing tupperwear buckets of loose ammo and the average american has that in his closet.these guys think they are prepared. they think its a flex. then i realized they dont have any military in haiti they actually think what they have is enough.then i realized these soon to be dead dudes are still better than most posters on 4chan.
>>65607108>That battle midgetSOVL
>>65607108Nothing of value will be lost.
>>65607131They're on their home turf, they can just slip back into the crowds and no one will rat them out, I know you guys are all a bunch of 12 year olds so now I guess you'll call me a haitian or some shit because you have no brains or ability to think beyond retarded internet shit flinging but they don't have to have state of the art tactics to provide a credible deterrence, they just need foreign governments to know that if a group of foreign fighers comes into their territory, some of those people are not going home except maybe in a body bag if they're lucky, whatever petty disputes hatian gangs have with foreign governments are usually not going to be worth the political fallout
>>65607141>not going to be worth the political falloutdo you know who they pissed off?
>>65607143>who they pissed off?Some random big wig schmuck in turdworld country?
>>65607143El Salvador? I mean this isn't exactly a superpower is it? And even a superpower usually isn't going to think it's worth one of their own expensive soldiers getting a bullet wound and getting a lifetime of disability pay. Why do you sound like you're holding some big secret?
>>65607141>and no one will rat them outgood one m8, had a good laff
>>65607149You're so desperate to call me "chang" or "puccian" or "pajeet" or whatever tired geopolitical insults you bring to these threads but you're out of your element and it shows, you can't even figure out what brain dead cliches to use to cover up your total ignorance of how anything works outside your mom's basement, how frustrating this must be for you
>>65607145one thats already considered a dictator and war criminal. what political fallout do you think will effect him?
>>65607155>I'll give you half a bread and $12 if you tell me where they are>ok
>>65607146>I mean this isn't exactly a superpower is it?Compared to Haiti it is
>>65607159>one thats already considered a dictator and war criminalIs it Agent Orange or Nethanyahu? If not one of them then theyre fine.Some banana dictator won't do shit.
>>65607155>You're so desperate to call me "chang" or "puccian" or "pajeet"Nobody said any of that. Self report much?
>>65607159What motive at all, political financial or whatever, does he has to send his best guys to die in a haitian slum? Even by your own logic there's no reason for there to be a fight.
>>65607161>half a bread
conan o'brien is posting in this thread
do the el san salvadorans still have their .308s?
>>65607177Did you miss the 4hostages and ultimatum? He doesnt need to send his best but he does have to do something. Theres already a reason and justification.
>>65607175let the schizo schiz, it's what they do
haiti is perfect for french wheeled tanks. no where else. french wheeled tanks in mali was stupid and retarded.
>>65607198He kind of does though, what do you think El Salvador is? Their military is for domestic squabbles not for overseas adventures, they're for driving around San Salvador in a truck and massacring a shantytown with 70 year old service weapons, they probably have like 30 people in their entire military who are cut out for this and why would he waste them on something like this when it poses no threat to his power, or his money?
>>65607108Just spam cheap FPV drones and be done with it. Why third worlder takes so long to adopt fpv drones doctrine. Almost every first world country adopting it. (Except for Goymerican and bong. On second tought bong is not a first world country but a third world shithole lol)
>>65607221retard>>65607225secondary retard
>>65607232faggot
>>65607108we're gonna witness tnd YES YES YES
>>65607221Haitian opposition is exactly what they know what to handle. It's also to send a message. First, don't fuck with them (relevant for domestic population. If the gov is gonna play loose with rights, they better deliver results). Second, to win the support of other countries, that see the new way of doing things in El Salvador (enlightened despot) and see it as a model worth replicating.
>>65607177>>65607221Good opportunity to blood his army or special forces. If they can drop into Haiti and succeed then they can surely fight Honduras for the 7th time.
>"Bukele, I am speaking directly to you. I see you talking on the internet, threatening us and making grand statements because you think Haiti is El Salvador.Look at what we have here. Look at these buckets, look at these trays. This is all heavy ammunition, and we have the automatic rifles to match them. We aren’t running away. I have nowhere to go, and I am not hiding from you.If you think your soldiers are just going to walk in here and take over, come try it. We are standing our ground right here. We are waiting for you, and we are fully prepared to fight you and your troops.">these niggas actually think a couple plastic bins full of loose rifle bullets are "heavy ammunition" and will intimidate an actual military with US backingthis is gonna be fun to watch
>>65607247Send a message to who, some jenkem addled gang banger in haiti? Are you serious?
>>65607108Shoot anything with a FLIR signature and make Haiti fit for humans again. Occasionally even a third rate latin American dicator gets sometrhing right by accident.
>>65607141Civilians hate the gangs, you retard. Not to mention that the gangs suck ass against anyone that is remotely competent
>>65607108>Colt MonitorBased.
>>65607146>El Salvador? I mean this isn't exactly a superpower is it? In relative terms, it might be.>And even a superpower usually isn't going to think it's worth one of their own expensive soldiers getting a bullet wound and getting a lifetime of disability payThirdie detected.You really think that's such a flex on the first world.El Salvador isn't first world though, it's another thirdie country and sacrificing some soldiers is totally worth it for some pride saving rescue mission.Though any first world country would do roughly the same thing anyway because you don't let gangs kidnap your soldiers and get away with it, it sets a very bad example for the next gang that thinks they've found some get-rich-quick scheme based around fucking with a neighbouring country's military.
>>65607221>Their military is for domestic squabbles not for overseas adventuresI think the military is already there, so it's not technically overseas any more.>they're for driving around San Salvador in a truck and massacring a shantytown with 70 year old service weaponsSounds perfect for Haiti.
>>65607271>Send a message to who, some jenkem addled gang banger in haiti?Those are probably the ones that took the technicians so yeah.And El Salvador know how to deal with gangs, they're pretty good at it by now.
>>65607108A reminder he is using a Colt Monitor as a walking stick.
what happened to the kenyans
>>65607108Brace yourself for more dead nigger storage pics, shit is gonna kino.
>>65607141>they can just slip back into the crowdsThe crowds are bulletproof?
>>65607605From who exactly? I don;t think anyone in the vicinity is going to be very interested in recording what happens.
>>65607634>I don;t think anyone in the vicinity is going to be very interested in recording what happens.Haiti gangbangers can probably get an aliexpress gopro and definitely a cheap chinese cellphone.
>>65607108>blessing every gun with a shot of rum>Jaylen Brown jersey and a sun hatYNcore is back in the Caribbean Liberia>>65607603they leftHaiti is too hardcore even for other negroes
>>65607657>YNcore is back in the Caribbean LiberiaI think I'll reinstall FC6.
>>65607108Can someone tell me why half-starved nigger from cannibal island is using rare 100 year old FBI gun as a walking stick?
>yfw they take over Haiti and turn it into an open prison>yfw you realize it's already an open prison>yfw it's the same face
>>65607115Nice synopsis
>>65607590>And El Salvador know how to deal with gangs, they're pretty good at it by now.this whole bukele vs. crime story sounds too good to be true honestly. i dont believe it or i believe it has some dark side to it.
>>65607108>"proud" haitians on xitter chimping out about bukele>all of them are posting from any country but haitii hope el salvador's SMO ends up actually cleaning up haiti and letting the dominican republic take over
>>65607731>i believe it has some dark side to itIt's a brutal dictator vs a criminal society.I would be surprised if there was a light side to it.>>65607732>i hope el salvador's SMO ends up actually cleaning up haiti They're certainly one of the better placed nations to do that. Not physically, I wouldn't have thought they'd have the force projection but in terms of doctrine etc, they probably know what they're doing and have one of the few success stories and some of those skills are probably transferable to the current context.>and letting the dominican republic take overDo they even want to?I'd have thought it was a Binland/Karelia situation.
>>65607603lack of international funding and political will made them pull out. Apparently the ROE was also completely ass to the point where they couldn't really do anything of actual use to begin with.
>>65607731it's actually that simple.>start enforcing your own laws>jail criminals>violent crimes drop by 80%we like to pretend it's a complex socio economic issue that cannot be solved by stuffing these niggas into prison. turns out jailing the bottom 1% solves most of your problems. whaddya know.
>>65607146So you think they get disability?
>>65607757>bottom 1%percentage of population in prison in el salvador is 2%. and its 90% young men. about 6-7% of men under 30 in el salvador are in prison. seems to me they just rounded up male millenials/zoomers and called it a day and some political opponents on top im sure.
>>65607769you know how this goes, some guy wants to run against bukele and suddenly he gets accused of some crime and ends up in prison for 20 years. what a coincidence that people that run against the dictator happen to always be criminals.
>>65607770Do you have any evidence of this happening? Who announced they were running and got arrested?
>>65607731he's quite authoritarian, but he gets away with it from the popularity he has from stopping the crime. >>65607773i don't know anything about arrests but he used soldiers to intimidate the assembly, for instance. Cristosal (a human rights group) also evacuated the country because they were arresting their members. he is not a democratic dude.
>>65607146>I mean this isn't exactly a superpower is it?In terms of relative effectiveness, this will be like Delta Force rolling up on some inner city Crips
>>65607770What can I say anon? Just don't hang out with criminals who behead their rivals & cut out their hearts and don't tattoo their name all over your body and cops won't box you in with them. >muh human rights violation If you're so fucking stupid, that you tattoo MS 13 on your forehead and hang around with a quasi terrorist group, I don't really care what happens to your human rights, even if you really dindu nuffin.
>>65607757What Bukele did was undeniably effective, the issue is what comes afterMost dictators don't tend to be very benevolent. If he can black bag people without trial based on vague suspicions and accusations, what does that mean for political opposition and transfer of power?Don't get me wrong, his actions were necessary considering how bad things have gotten, but there is also a good reason why that kind of conduct is generally not regarded well in modern societies
>>65607802He's set to win over and over again, because his opposition are a bunch of fuckwits who want to release the 'unjustly' incarcerated criminals and to undo everything he did. That doesn't really fly well for the average Jose, who probably had friends and family members killed by these same people and they sure as shit won't vote for a party who wants to flood society with a literal army of violent criminals.Bukele is not a dictator, he's simply the only realistic choice that the people have. Having no sane political challengers =/= being a dictator.
>>65607834>Having no sane political challengers =/= being a dictator.how would you know that? he controls the senate, the courts, the army and the police. he decides what gets reported, what gets investigated, what gets convicted and ultimately who is allowed to run against him in elections. what makes you think these "no sane political challengers" arent controlled opposition?
>>65607146El Salvador sent a unit to Iraq and one of them killed a bunch of insurgents with a shitty folding knife during an ambush
>>65607802>muh democracyThis is your brain on geopolitical postmodernism.
>>65607132The murderous moppets have arrived
What makes Haiti so insanely powerful?
>>65607167>Some banana dictator won't do shit.He already sent in 100 of his special forces to go rescue them. So, he's actually done something.
>>65607953It's too poor and irrelevant for anyone with the resources available to fix it to actually care enough to put the resources in to fix it.
>>65607952based Venture Bros appreciator
>>65607941Look up a list of countries sorted by a democracy index of your choice, and compare to lists arranged by GDP, HDI and Gini coefficients, a quality-of-life index of your choice and a general corruption indexThe results might shock you
>>65607802The problem is that he completely eliminated the safety problem in the country. This in turn makes him extrremely popular. Now, thanks to his popularity, political parties in the country are effectively dead. Nobody in the country will cry for the odd 1 or 2 guys that are innocent in those prisons. If they had tattoos up to ass to the point of gettgin confused with gang members, then good riddance.
>>65607115Do they even have planes of their own
>>65607845>what makes you think these "no sane political challengers" arent controlled opposition?NTA but what political message would a credible opposition candidate even run on? "Human rights", which means opening the jails? "Democracy", which also means opening the jails? And if you're not running on such a message then you're just a Bukele clone and voters would just vote for the genuine article.
>>65608070Not much but they are the second largest operator of the A-37 Dragonfly, which is my favorite attack plane ever so that makes them ultra mega based
>>65607741>Do they even want to?definitely not, it would take a genocide of haiti for them to bother. their border is berlin wall tier iirc, DR does NOT like haitians
>>65608070No, if they need airlift the USAF will probably send a couple C-17 in their direction
>>65607953It's the only truly Libertarian nation on this planet.
>>65608107>DR does NOT like haitiansI went to college with a couple of Dominicans. One of my favorite sources of amusement was to get them drunk and ask them their opinion of Haitians
>>65608125They no black, papi.
I think I am probably one of the few people on this website that has visited Haiti. A miserable place in every sense of the definition. >>65607108A saw some videos of Salvadorian domestic armoured vehicles fighting on the streets of Haiti. How did they got the vehicles on the island? I know El Salvador has like four LCM-8, but it doesn't seem enough, plus they have to pass through the canal to get there. Did they had support from other countries?
>>65608136Any number of ways. It's not like you need to use military transports.
>>65608136>saw some videos of Salvadorian domestic armoured vehicles fighting on the streets of Haiti.Sauce? I wanna see
>>65607732>i hope el salvador's SMO ends up actually cleaning up haitiDo they have any goal besides nabbing their dudes back and maybe slapping around the tards that did it? I really don't see a reason they'd want to stick around to "clean up" haiti, nations with far bigger dicks than them have noped out of dealing with that bullshit
>>65607141>They're on their home turf, they can just slip back into the crowds and no one will rat them out,because this worked SO well for the Dingbats in Panama.
>>65608140https://x.com/nayibbukele/status/2112981920741310695
>>65607396Civilians also hated the Taliban. However, they still didn't cooperate with ISAF patrols. The ISAF patrol would leave in a few hours, but the Taliban would be there forever to retaliate against collaborators.>suck ass against anyone competentOk, retard.
>>65608136>LCM-8Why the fuck would they use a landing ship, retard? They just put them on a RO-RO and off load them at a port. The capital literally has "port" in its name. Do you think the US did an amphibious operation to ship MRAPs to Iraq or something?
>>65608220Don't expect these retards to understand what it's life outside their mom's basements, they unironically think people will risk getting dismembered alive in return for "half a bread"
>>65608303>Ratting out a gang of coked up dudes about to be slaughtered to the last man is the same as ratting out the largest cohesive armed group in your country
>>65608331>slaughtered to the last man You watch too many movies, they'd shoot whoever is in the building holding the hostages and anyone else who gets in the way and anyone else who happens to be standing nearby the people in the way and then they'll fuck off back to el salvador and never come back, and the ones who didn't get killed (lots of them because it's a major gang, this is the haiti version of like the communist party or some shit) will want revenge. And anyone with a brain understands that except you
>>65608344This isn't the Taliban you retard. Once the leader dies the entire gang is going to descend into chaos as every cokehead tries gunning for the newly vacated top spot.
>>65608344>will want revenge.These are overgrown street gangs thriving in a state of pure anarchy. Not even close to the organization of the taliban.
>>65608353Why would the leader be there at all? Real life isn't a video game, use your head>>65608394And therefore what? I mean how does that not make it 10x worse? At least the taliban has courts and laws and shit
>>65608401>Why would the leader be there at allBecause it's the manly thing to do and they're fucking retarded if you haven't noticed from their responses.
>>65608401Anon these gangs are so disorganized and violent to the point that any upset to their fragile hierarchy would just cause them to dissolve into violent clusters that fight eachother before another strong man is able to reign them in again. The Salvadoran army isnt worried about things like retribution or civilian consequences because these gangs are incapable of making any organized effort to hurt either, aside from shooting at the army and robbing/raping the civilians, which are things they already do.
>>65608083>what political message would a credible opposition candidate even run on?less corruption, less nepotism, more rights, less taxes, more efficient government, less bitcoin gambling, more subsidies, more foreign investments in the economy, better schools, better hospitals, not spending money on some retarded peace keeping mission in haiti etc. etc.crime isnt the only political issue.
>>65608419>crime isnt the only political issue.But it is/was the most important issue. Buttcoin scams are nothing when your popular support still remembers when the murder rate was one person per hour. And the general opinion of the mission in Haiti seems positive. Its gives your soldiers valuable deployment experience too.
>>65608412I'm not following their telegram or whatever, I'm just going by my memory of past stories of gang activity in haiti, the gangs are the government, it's enough people with enough guns that the only people who think it's a fun time to go fight them are first worlders who can go back to their lives after shooting some darkies on their human safari, the locals are scared of the gangs because the gangs are chaotic and violent and that's why setting up an actual government is next to impossible>>65608417are you getting confused because your context window isn't big enough? it's not the salvadoran army that has to worry about getting murdered after the fight, it's the civilian neighborhood guy who decided it would be a good idea to rat out the local street gang to some random hispanic who just parachuted in and all the neighbors saw what he did, I'm not even saying it's a guaranteed death sentence but I highly doubt most people would take the risk
>>65608431>I'm not following their telegram or whateverWell you should start. They're all going along the lines of "I'm right here bro, come get me. Look at all these shiny bullets, bet you're shitting your pants". The only reason these gangs still exist is because overly restrictive ROE allows them to.
>>65607953Literally nothing to lose
>>65608431>not the salvadoran army that has to worry about getting murdered after the fight, it's the civilian neighborhoodThe Army has to consider the effects that interacting with the civilians will have on them. What im saying is that they dont care/consider it a non issue because this isnt the Taliban or the VC or the VRS. These are big ass street gangs and the terrorizing of the civilians in their territory is on par with what street gangs already do to people. The gangs are incapable of systemic retribution like what we're used to.
>>65608445Online shit talking is just online shit talking, let's see what they actually do in real life first>>65608459You keep treating this like it has to be some kind of organized trial like they find the guy and get a jury and convict him of treason, that isn't what we're talking about, we're talking about "oh I heard jean-pierre said jean-luc ratted out the gang yesterday and that's why my cousin died let's go fuck him up" and then jean luc dies a violent death, end of story. The less organized the gangs are the WORSE it is for any potential collaborators because you don't even know what faction is going to come after you, no you just stay the fuck away from anything and keep your head down in those environments
>>65608464>oh I heard jean-pierre said jean-luc ratted out the gang yesterday and that's why my cousin died let's go fuck him upI am saying thay they already do that so it not considered an issue
>>65608469it is not "considered an issue" by whom, why? because you said so?do you just lack theory of mind or how is this hard for you to process? what would be the motivation to rat out a street gang if you're living in a neighborhood they control? or rather, what motivation would be enough to overcome the expectation of a violent death as a result?
>>65608464>jean luc dies a violent death
>>65608464>let's see what they actually do in real life firstThese are disorganized violent street gangs anon, the leaders actually need to walk the talk to some extent or someone else would kill them and take their place. Such is life in complete anarchy.
>>65608475I guess you see this as an internet argument where if the current leader of the street gang dies you "win", I was treating this more like a "who are the key stakeholders in this and what are their likely motives and based on that what are the likely next steps", sorry for trying to talk about this like an adult I'll be on my way
>>65608472>what motivation would be enough to overcome the expectation of a violent death as a result?spite, revenge, stupidity, ignorance, suicidal wish, autism, just dont give a fuck, or you are a member of a rival gang.
>>65608484Yes, if the leader of a street gang dies, the gang ceases to exist because it never had a real organization and chain of command. How exactly is that difficult to understand?
>>65608472>>65608484There is no winning, there is no concept of organization, they will constantly splinter and grow and die over and over again until one super gang finally triumphs or they are pacifier. You are giving way too much credit to the governing and punishing abilities of a group violent people who have no motivations other than to survive or become the next big fish.
>>65608472>what motivation would be enough to overcome the expectation of a violent death as a result?Th expectation that you'd die a violent death at random even if you do nothing.
>>65608489>>65608496That's what I mean, you are discussing this as a video game where it's the level boss where you defeat XYZ Gang and once you're past that level that's the definition of victory. For purposes of game theory I don't consider that a very interesting or relevant angle except from the POV of the actual current leader of XYZ Gang, sure he might care but does your average civilian care? Will the other 50,000 armed gangsters in haiti care? Does anyone war gaming this actually care? Maybe if the civilians are all equally stupid in the way that is specifically convenient to your take on this then they might care but that seems pretty unlikely, there's lots of kinds of stupidity and they can motivate all kinds of outcomes so why would it be THIS specific kind of stupidity that just happens to align with your take?So if we're talking about what would happen when the salvadorans land, again I don't think anyone genuinely cares if XYZ Gang continues to exist as such into the coming week or month, certainly not when it comes to "what will any given person do when the boots hit the ground"But again, I'm thinking of this as an interesting planning and prediction discussion not "who will win this internet argument where my imagined interlocutor is personally invested in the safety of the current leader of XYZ Gang" which is honestly a pretty bizarre way to frame this but I think that's the traditional way that these threads go
>>65608516What the fuck even is your argument? Yes, the current incentive structure doesn't punish ratting any more significantly than not ratting. Is that what you wanted to know?
>>65608521Why are you talking like you're my professor or something, you're just some retard on the internet and so am I. I'm sorry for upsetting you, I can larp as someone who sides with the gang leader if that would make you happy?Claude-Pierre is strongk! He shall vanquish the Salvador menace! Port Au Prince is Haitian clay!Is that what you came for? I'm actually posting from Haiti that's why I am personally emotionally invested in this, I suppose you must be in El Salvador? My country shall defeat your country on the battlefield! Hoorah!
>>65608534All right man, you've obviously lost it. Have a good one.
>>65608516>wordsIts the Salvadoran army rolling around in armored cars trying to find leads as to where the hostages are. They shoot a bunch of gangsters and either the hostages are killed and dismembered, or they are found and surrendered and the Army fucks off back to their port. This isnt some logistics puzzle with 1x1km grid zones and weapons analyzing. This is essentially and big ass SWAT and COIN operation with generous ROE. Nothing would change the overall situation.
>>65608534Must be hell to have the self awareness to understand how retarded you are but still be too retarded to do anything about it.
>>65607731It's not that far-fetched when you consider the circumstances. Most Salvadorian gang members have highly visible gang tattoos, prior administrations frequently cooperated with gangs, and El Salvador is relatively small as a country, meaning it was relatively easy to calculate the number of active gang members and identify them plus they didn't really have anywhere to run and reorganize. A rapid blitz was able to break their power and structure easily.
>>65608710nta but I've seen that play out in other 3rd world shit holes and it's never how the people in power present it. What actually happens is they do a bunch of high-visibility violent "crackdowns" and suspend due process and say "that's just how it has to be, can't make an omelette etc"but behind the scenes what's happening is they're negotiating an arrangement with the other crime lords to maintain a certain kind of order (by order I mean both "arrangement" and "lack of chaos") but the criminal networks are still there because they're relationship based just like "legitimate" businessesmost of those "crackdowns" are pre-arranged targetings of disposable elements of the criminal networks, factions that might have been causing problems or were growing too strong for the crime boss's comfort. and some of them are just straight up random murders of street criminals who were in the wrong place at the wrong time but the people in power needed some dead bodies to show the press that shit was getting donegoogle "grand budol" for an example of this in another country that only ended up well publicized because of the strong traditions of having an independent investigative press in the philippines, something like this is almost certainly what's going on in el salvador
>>65607131>average american has that in his closet.The average yank is fat and has lots of things hidden in his closet, if you get what I mean (gay).
>>65608035>democracy causes prosperityThis retarded belief based on a backwards understanding of causation is exactly how you get George Bush levels of stupidity trying to make Iraq a democracy.
>>65607108i just hope the salvadorians have body cams i want to see some combat footage
>>65608733You can explain it any way you want, fact are the murder rate went from 100 per 100k to less than 2 per 100k. Who cares how they achieved that in the space of 2 years.Also since those guys will never come out of prison now, no crime reincidence. They were never going to be functioning members of society.
>>65608136>How did they got the vehicles on the island?With help from the international coalition already operating on the island under the auspice of the UN.>>65608431I don't think you understand that the average gang conflict in Haiti isn't a couple dudes doing drive-bys; it's a hundred or so guys rolling up to a neighborhood, kicking in doors, killing anyone they suspect is affiliated with a rival gang, raping any women they come across, and burning down houses, then a hundred or so guys from the opposing gang roll up, start shooting anyone they think is affiliated with the other gang, then after things have settled down they rape any woman they come across and kill anyone they think wasn't sufficiently supportive of them. The standard stats for Haitian gang wars are usually something like: >8th Port-au-Prince Massacre>Combatant Strength>Gang A - 74>Gang B - 93>Casualties >Gang A - 9>Gang B - 12>Civilian - 110+
>>65608792do they not teach critical thinking in school anymore like is it considered "woke"? just because the government and its official mouthpieces say something doesn't make it true. what's more likely, they dropped the murder rate by 98% in two years, or they lied? use your head anon, I'm not sure if you can do it but at least try
Haitians I’ve met are nice and don’t deserve the poverty and suffering tbqh
>>65608733The thing is that if you frame it as a dog and pony show while behind the scenes it's business as usual then the gangs are going to have their guard low because they're expecting a predetermined outcome. Which means you can massively fuck them over before they realize you're not following the script. Funnily enough that's how Xi Jinping cemented his control over the Chinese government. He presented his anti-corruption drive as the usual smoke and mirrors, got people to hand over their sacrificial lambs, then simply kept arresting officials.
>>65608802>Guys, you can't believe the El Salvadorian government, the crime rates, the foreign press, foreign governments, or all the human rights groups complaining, it's all fake.
>>65607108>M14's have survived decades of Haitian squares shooting them continuously >M16's can't even survive a week in the sandbox without jammingM16 FOREVER BTFO.
>>65608819>you can't believe the salvadoran governmentyou cannot take what any government says at face value least of all an authoritarian government that has no reason to tell the truth about anything
>>65607802>political opposition Is ontologically fucking evil. Leftists deserve to be skinned alive.>b-but billion-Until billionaires do 1/1000th as evil as the numerous leftist dictatorships they are by far more tolerable.
>>65608119>>65608134>dominicans opinions on Haitians Oh boy. >work factory job>there are some dominicans there>one is a sweet qt latina who laughs and is nice to everyone >ask her about Haitians The utter fucking SHIFT on her face and attitude was honestly fucking scary. >she says ALL Haitians are devil worshippers and born criminals that deserve to be hunted down and killed This chick came to work crying because she hit a fucking rabbit with her car, and she's casually going full Mein Kamph on Haitians lol.
>>65608808Worked with one that had 6 fingers and webbed toes
>>65608831>just completely ignores third party evidence
>>65608866>anon casually works with deep ones
>>65608866Well, was their mom/aunt at least hot?
>>65608854You haven't seen racism until you've seen brownoid racism.
>>65607117Shut the fuck up, you tourist piece of shit.
>>65607146Yeah, the US totally didn't mobilize and risk hundreds of personnel and millions of dollars of equipment to rescue a single airman.Shut your ignorant mouth, you dumb piece of trash.
>>65608831You really just dont believe anything except what you've made up and agreed with in your head.
>>65608915
>>65608814>anti-corruption driveIt wasn't even that, all he had to do was convince idealogues that the party (not the people) was being stolen from, that's when they gave him the keys to the kingdom.
just a theory, but since el salvador got their own house in order, they probably want to establish themselves as a regional power now, but their military has little experience operating outside of the country. haiti gives them an opportunity to gain real combat and logistics experience in a situation they will win with few to no casualties. el salvador gets an ez win and experience and none of their neighbors get pissed off directly.
>>65607221They have a bit of form in obliterating armed gangs tbf...
>>65609025>It wasn't even thatThe version I'm familiar with is that he made the elders afraid that the corruption would inspire an uprising against the party if it was unchecked.
>>65607108haiti is doomed, keeps self imploding every couple of years to the point of literally no goverment, the civilized world should quarantine that like some biological death zone and let them figure it out if they can achieve civilization before trying to get involved there. i understand neighbouring countries not wanting some anarchy island there producing pirates and traffickers but there must be another way than sending un people trying to impose west civilization there when they clearly dont want that. so thats my alternative, quarantine like some resident evil death zone. shoot anything that wants to get out
>>65607953Being so shit that turning their slums into a crater would be an improvement.
>>65609029They were in Iraq, and their own experience handling gangs should carry over to Haiti. It's easier since the Haitian gang members have less training and firepower than Salvadorian gangs.
>>65608220>>65608303This is some epic nogun thirdie cope. Don't you have a palestine flag to wave?
>>65607793Have you actually seen an inner city gang war? Shitloads of salvadorians involved. This will pretty much be MS-13 trying to invade the crips.
>A fucking Colt Monitorhow come thirdies either get complete dogshit guns, or fucking rare legendary drops?
>>65608854>dominicans opinions on HaitiansBased based based triple based FUCKING BASED!
>>65609029>they probably want to establish themselves as a regional power now,Nah, they're trying to get international investment into the country to help stabilize and expand their economy. This particular event isn't about gaining military experience, it's about telling gangs and would-be kidnappers that fucking with Salvadorian citizens isn't worth the trouble and they'll come in and fuck you up if you do shit like this
>>65608854Haitians literally have an ancestral, demonic blood curse afflicting them. Their ancestors gave up their entire lineage in exchange for the Devil's aid to overthrow and murder the whites in Haiti. It even affects the soil, you can see the fucking border because nothing grows in Haiti, the earth itself is cursed.
>>65609304>you can see the fucking border because nothing grows in HaitiOr because, you know, the French deforested their side and Spaniards did not
>>65609332>Or because, you know, the French deforested their side and Spaniards did notAnon, if the f*ench were the last ones to log that hillside then it would be an old growth forest by now because they were kicked out of Haiti more than 220 years ago. It's brown and shitty because the Haitians cut every stick for firewood and graze their cattle on it until they've eaten everything.
>>65608035>>65608771The way I see it, authoritarianism is like a dice roll. If you get lucky and roll a leader who is both competent and gives a shit about the country, you see nations rise rapidly out of poverty. Examples include Singapore, Taiwan, and Chile. Rwanda's dictator today is trying to emulate those examples, and his country is now in a much better place than any of its neighbors. But if your leader is lacking in competence or care, it's usually a disaster, regardless of geopolitical alignment. Democracy is more of a hedged bet. If your elected leader is incompetent, he is removed within a few years. We're about to see this happen in the USA, where the GOP is about to get slaughtered and officials whose only credential is supporting Trump are going to get hit especially hard. Plus, new political faces emerge constantly and come from everywhere, making it difficult to establish the kind of deep-rooted corruption that plagues most autocracies, where people often retain their positions for life, so long as they stay on the leader's good side.But in /k/ terms dictatorships are near universally a disaster militarily. The threat of coup makes truly well-led, trained, and equipped militaries a rarity. Exceptions, such as Rwanda, tend to be strong only relative to their neighbors, not the rest of the world. Plus, as a dictator, it's hard to motivate your troops to fight and die for you, unless you're truly beloved or your enemies are truly that much worse (e.g. communists)It's also worth noting that most of the most well-developed democratic nations, were also well-developed nations in the 19th century, when democracy was still mostly this weird thing the Americans and radical French were trying out.
>>65609304>>65609362How the hell did two halves of the same island end up in complete opposite ends of stability?
>>65609372>Haitians blame the French and International community for their financial woes>Blame the US for lack of stability>Never directly blame their corrupt officials nor the gangs that terrorize their half of the islandIf you talk to Haitians that live in the US they literally blame everything that's wrong with Haiti on everyone else but themselves. It's to the point where they ramble about conspiracies that make no fucking sense.
>>65609332Oh yes anon, it's totally colonialism from two centuries ago. Everything is after all. How else can you explain literally every place on earth inhabited by demon worshiping niggers being a shithole? There's simply no other explanation. After all, demon worshiping niggers are exactly as intelligent and moral as anyone else. Why did South Africa and Rhodesia have markedly higher standards of living when they were ran by white people? Uh, next question.You know the French never clearcut Haiti. More importantly even if they did, it doesn't take 200 years for trees to fucking grow, retard. You're just making excuses for the inexcusable.>>65609372Literally because the Haitians performed a voodoo ritual, dedicated their land to the Devil, and massacred the entire white population. Things then proceeded as if the country were ran by a bunch of 65 IQ retarded mass murderers.
>>65609386But how are the Dominicans that inhabit the other half of the island not also eating themselves?
>>65609394Are you the same schizo that wants to war game the salvadoran army rescue operation from the posts above?
>>65609403Nope. Do you not know that's literally what happened? Like I'm sure it sounds like exaggeration, but that is actually what the Haitians did.>>65609397Because they're not the result of a slave uprising that massacred the entire white population of their nation. Just a relatively normal former Spanish colony, but with more blacks and less native americans.
>>65607195I dont see why they would get rid of perfectly good g3's.They have galil aces and some iwi Arads which would likeley be used in a special operation like this. The haitians would be completely out gunned having smuggled psa ar-15s as there better option and likeley not very sufficient body armour, magazine organisation or ammunition logistics.El Salvador has helicopters and transport planes so they are able to get in, dump a bunch of small arms fire and cannon rounds into what they need to and then leave.
>>65609454>Twonoight!
>>65609454I didnt know elsalvador special forces was so deadly looking.
>>65609470They were advised by Boris Johnson
>>65609397>Gain independance from Spain>Occupied by Haiti almost immediately afterwards for 20 years>Revolt and kick them back to their side of the island>3 additional wars were fought between the two nations with the Dominicans trouncing the Haitians each time>Occupied by Spain again but bitterly fought them until they regained their independanceThe Dominicans claim that the Haitians were cruel as fuck during their occupation as well as the fact that the various wars fought between them were all started by the Haitians and so they went and said "Nah, fuck these niggers. We need to be better than them". The Haitians are both delusional and dumb as fuck if the casuality reports from their wars are to be believed.
>>65609403Read a book dumbass. Ive had haitians tell me the exact same thing with pride.
>>65609370>muh midtermsDemocrats lost two seats.
>>65609454What top gear episode is this?
>>65607131Let's be honest, these niggers probably aren't going to be doing any fighting if the Salvadorans show up because they're common criminals whose preference is to shoot at those who can't shoot back. They're just posturing on camera and the dudce is wearing the bucket just to be funny.Also, here's some pics of the Haiti Army (if you could call it that) in 1994.
>>65608459>The gangs are incapable of systemic retribution like what we're used to.So why do they keep doing it? Haitian gangs are less organized than the Taliban but they are fully capable of murdering anyone they think is against them, or that is loosely assosiated with someone they think is against them. Why do you think the majority of the gangsters involved here will even be fighting the salvadorians? They'll engage a few times, take some casulties, but unless they all hole up where the hostages are they are unlikely to be extinguished.
>>65607108One division of North Korean mech infantry under UN safe guards would fix Haiti. They would welcome it.
>>65609372Brown > Black basically.Yes, the French were horrible and Spanish laziness actually helped but the people's origins are the main factor.
>>65607108Will I be kilt in da streetz if I fail to anoint my rifle with alcohol?
>>65607108One way or another it’s going to be a shitshow.
>>65609611>they are fully capable of murdering anyone they think is against them, or that is loosely assosiated with someone they think is against themIn other words, killing at random, which is part and parcel of Haitian civilian life whether you rat or not.
>>65609655Your chance of death rises much higher when you rat, and the Salvadorians are not offering a permanent peacekeeping force to keep you safe, or even the exision of the gang you ratted on. They are there to extract their dudes, first and foremost.
>>65609659>Your chance of death rises much higher when you ratAs you put it so eloquently, the gangs kill based on feelings. The rat is just as likely to die as anyone else living in the area the gang controls, and that's even assuming whoever rises to power next even gives enough of a fuck about the last guy who died to even try to exact some form of retribution. Again, they're not just "less organized than the Taliban". They're barely an organization at all.
>>65609621Im so glad the Spanish (and Portuguese) had such based taste
>>65609662Nta but that's not true. Gang members aren't savage retards, or at the very least are capable of basic fucking reason. Haiti is a massive experiment in social darwinism if nothing else. Gangs will target however was seen talking to foreigners or suspected of aiding them. They will be able to do this, because a gang unable to keep track of their turf would have been annihilated by other gangs long before this point. Also random terror only works to a point, and eventually becomes a waste of ammo and a loss of revenue. A gang that murders entirely randomly will face increasing backlash from their territory while being able to muster fewer resources to deal with rivals. Again, this is basic social darwinism
>>65609722>Gang members aren't savage retards, or at the very least are capable of basic fucking reasonSee pic related and say that again with a straight face.
>>65609722>Gang members aren't savage retardsYes they are. In a very literal, medical sense, the average person in Haiti is actually retarded.>why is this a failed state where nothing works and everyone is a violent retardcan actually quite easily be answered by measuring IQ. You can even see why the Dominican Republic is not up to the west's standards, but is infinitely better than Haiti in every way, by IQ again. This works across the board. Wow, who would have thought Somalia, Sudan, and the Congo, the biggest shitholes in Africa, are all dumber on average than less fucked up places in Africa.>wtf no if you had a country where literally everyone was mentally retarded nothing would work right, everyone would be starving all the time and they'd never be capable of improving anything!are you beginning to get it or will you deny reality?
>>65607662Haiti is basically a Rust server
>>65609662>The rat is just as likely to die as anyone else living in the area the gang controls,No, he isn't. The chance of death is high regardless but it rises when you rock the boat.I'm sure there'd be snitches, but the most compelling reason to do so is extradition to another country.>and that's even assuming whoever rises to power next even gives enough of a fuck about the last guy who died to even try to exact some form of retributionA number of gangs and gang leaders have taken 'nationalistic' stances before, so they probably would.>They're barely an organization at all.As a whole, yes, they're very anarchic, but they're very capable of collecting lists of people they don't like and killing them, which is the only thing that matters here.Sticking out their necks will not result in a more secure Haiti, it only puts them at risk. You either need to supply them with extradition to remove them from the risk, or find someone who is suicidal and hates the gangs enough to not care.
>>65609744You are arguing with a retard who claims to be from Haiti or is larping as one. Hes too retarded to get anything.
>>65609722Why are you assuming they're wasting ammo to do this? Machetes are super popular in all these styles of conflict for a reason.
>>65609761>or find someone who is suicidal and hates the gangs enough to not care.Why are you speaking as if guys like that are in short supply in Haiti?You should really read up. Haitian "gangs" are not at all like the cartels or even the street gangs that you're familiar with.
>>65607108>75 IQ niggers start shit>85 IQ spics finish itTale as old as 1844.>>65609744Turns out India was lying for years, their mean isn't 82 its 68. Real fucking Chernobyl moment when that little statistic leaked.
>>65609776>Why are you speaking as if guys like that are in short supply in Haiti?I already said some of them would exist earlier in my post. The only thing I really disagree on is that they'd snitch and not be in danger; they would certainly be in much elevated danger, and thusly you'd find less of them.
>>65609793>I already said some of them would exist earlier in my postEnough of them exist that they're forming gangs of their own, falling into chaos themselves and turning into generic Haitian Violent Gang #280978284>they would certainly be in much elevated dangerAnon, the attacks are even spreading to areas where the gangs didn't even have a presence previously, let alone anyone to snitch on them. You're assuming these gangs have the capability and motivation to go after snitches. The fact is, they simply attack at random. Targeted assassinations are not the norm. They consult fucking voodoo priests to decide who to target, only for the dudes they send to end up killing the entire town anyway.
>>65609370I think its a little inaccurate to say that since the few instances of European or East Asian dictators(really just Diem) can motivate and maintain militaries. Really the quality of the people is the biggest determining factor, the US would have the best craziest white killers on tap whether it was completely libtarded or a dictatorship. The issue is buying their loyalty: a dictator might be able to do that simply by throwing money at them and treating them as mercenaries while a completely pussified society which subjects its soldiers to political compliance tests to a greater extent than a commie one and make the job unpalatable. I think the whole "authoritarians can't make competent militaries" is more a more a matter of correlation rather than causation in the current political environment.>where the GOP is about to get slaughtered Trump is hated solely for being a jew-lover and his Iran adventure. On the rest of his policies anybody who would vote for a republican at all wants much more rightwing policies than he can or will provide. People are mad that trump isn't kicking out 60 million spics rather than 10 million. Polling is almost useless these days and I despise jews enough that I didn't vote for Trump the second or third time and don't vote for republicans at all. My vote is for civil war so don't really have a dog in this race, but I wouldn't take a 50 dollar bet on a demoshit blowout of the republicucks.
>>65609803>Targeted assassinations are not the norm.Yes, I'm aware. What I'm saying is if they catch wind of a snitch they're likely to go on a murder romp in the area that they think the snitch is in, and the snitch, presumably, does not want their family members to be raped to death in a mass attack, whether or not that attack actually ends up hitting them or not, because they likely live in the community that ended up being targeted. It's possible they just end up in a completely unrelated one, yeah, but how many people want to test fate with that? Some, sure, but not exceptionally many. Particurally since, again, the Salvadorians aren't staying. They are getting their dudes and then probably leaving.Like I said, it's not impossible to find snitches, but in warzones a lot of people just do their best to keep their heads down as much as possible. If it was a big invasion to try and establish order than I think you'd see a big upswell of support but this isn't that.
>>65609832>What I'm saying is if they catch wind of a snitch they're likely to go on a murder romp in the area that they think the snitch is inWhat I'm saying is that if they feel like going on a murder romp they simply claim there's a snitch and send the gang in to slaughter a random village whether there's a snitch or not. This is part and parcel of Haitian life. There are at least as many or more Haitians who are affiliated with anti-gang vigilante groups as there are gang members. It's really not as difficult as you think to find a snitch.
Why do you think they need snitches to find these guys? The guys filming themselves for social media.
>>65608107I recently moved back home to normal America after living in Miami for a decade. I learned Spanish at a pallet yard here in Arkansas as a kid so the Dominicans down there could communicate their vehement hatred for Haitians to me in their native language. The hatred is so real that the Dominicans denounce their own black genetics. They'll typically claim to be of Spanish lineage and say that they are not at all black (even though they clearly are).
>>65609838I don't think they feel the need to claim there's a snitch if they want to destroy something.>There are at least as many or more Haitians who are affiliated with anti-gang vigilante groups as there are gang members.Well, there's the issue. I wasn't considering those people snitches since they're active anti-gang combatants.
>>65609873>I don't think they feel the need to claim there's a snitch if they want to destroy something.There isn't. I'm just going along with your train of thought.>I wasn't considering those people snitches since they're active anti-gang combatants.If you're going with strict definitions, snitches would have to be gang insiders. And yes, there are plenty of traitors within the gang who wouldn't blink at a chance to move up.
>All this harangue over civilian riskAren't these armed gangs technically civilians themselves? It's why the last few attempts at targeting them amounted to nothing, because the RoE protects them.
>>65608401>Why would the leader be there at all?Because the hostages are HIS trophies and property. Wherever he goes, they go. Most of these gangs only survive because the leader is charismatic and/or violent enough to keep it together. If the gang's leader gets whacked and he doesn't have an immediate replacement step up and reign in the retards than that gang will explode and splinter or get consumed by rival gangs. >>65608459>The Army has to consider the effects that interacting with the civilians will have on them.They don't. They aren't an occupying army. They're there to get 4 of their civillians out of harms reach. >The gangs are incapable of systemic retribution like what we're used to.They are. They constantly rape and murder who they please because "Jackass that I don't like" looked at them the wrong way or signed up with a rival gang. There's tons of reports that say whenever a gang moves into new territory they rape and murder the locals as a show of strength and to enforce their dominion over them>>65608484>I was treating this more like a "who are the key stakeholders in this and what are their likely motives and based on that what are the likely next steps"Do you mean with regards to the kidnappings? It was literally because a warlord/gangleader or whatever you want to call him decided that he needed to flex his muscles and kidnap civillians from a country that has a "Strong and powerful" leader like El Salvador. The entire thing is about street cred and nothing else. There's no larger conspiracy beyond this.
>>65609332>>65609394Here's a real redpill for you; the modern Haitians aren't even the native population. The natives are Puerto Ricans who the French kicked off the island to turn it into a slave planation.
>>65607268Does el Salvador have US backing? I know trump likes sending undesirables to the the torture prison there but I wasn't aware of any military relationship
>>65607731Its the same "dictator vs crime" story as always, the real criminals are in the government and they are just using state power to eliminate their competition
>>65607801Saying "I have the right to choose my own government" is not a voilent crime anon
>>65607941Democracy is the only legitimate form of government that can exist in our world
>>65609945>the modern Haitians aren't even the native populationI mean obviously? They're black.
>>65608430>And the general opinion of the mission in Haiti seems positiveAnd how the fuck are we supposed to know that when all of the media and press is owned or controlled by the guy running the OP?Questioning the decrees of the great leader is how you suddenly turn out to have been a violent gang member all along
>>65609986how are you supposed to know anything man?
>>65609986Does questioning the decrees of the great leader include tattooing the name of said violent gang on your face?
>>65609986There's healthy skepticism and then theres sticking your fingers in your ear and going "nanana I cant hear you"
>>65609944>They are. They constantly rape and murder who they pleaseYou're misunderstanding the term. Retribution is specific and targeted, and carried out in response to something. Mass, random violence is not retribution, and Haitian gangs have not demonstrated that they are capable of anything else besides that.
>>65608819A 98% drop in 2 years certainly isThe El Salvadorian government claims the drop occurred over 9 years despite the fact that dear leader has only been in charge since 2019 and UN figures stop at 2022I don't think you are really naive enough to believe that the numbers this guy puts oit reflect reality, I think you are choosing to believe him because doing so supports your own political view
>>65610074People aren't getting killed once per hour anymore. The improvement is significant and he is organically popular despite his faults. Argue about the specifics all you want, but that doesn't change the reality on the ground.
A single North Korean mechanized division with UN oversight and US backing would be enough to fix Haiti. They would establish safe zones, restore order and protect anyone working in hospitals, food distribution centers and they would establish law and order. They would also kill anyone who opposed them. Haiti and it's gangs do not have the means to fight 24-36 Type 323s and their 14.5mms not to mention a few Kokans, a few 240mm MLRS and 8000+ Nork soldiers.The DPRK would restore order, the rule of law and basic humanitarian services to Haiti. They would also probably kill around 25-35k people in the first few months of their administration. Body disposal and basic sanitation would be a major issue for them. I don't have a problem with that death count and i suspect the people of Haiti would not have a problem with it either as long as order was restored.
>>65609995By doing research and relying on useful dataWhich neccesarily means not taking autocrats at their word
>>65610125And yes, he is going to say it...
>>65610125>A single North Korean mechanized division with UN oversightAren't they still officially at war with the UN?Not to mention in defiance of its resolutions on representative government among many, many, many other crimes?
>>65610223In my hypothetical scenario (which will probably be reality by 2030) the DPRK will be a normal member of the international community and their nuclear status will be accepted by all members of the UN security council. In that case the DPRK owes the UN and will wish to be a respected member of the global community, the obvious way that the DPRK can assist the world is as peace keeping troops.The KPA are ideal 'Peace Keepers'>Disciplined and ruthless>Follow the rules>Don't take any shit>Immune to bribery because who the fuck do you think you are talking to?>Don't commit war crimes because they have no reason to do so yet>Rape isn't a issue, unapproved sexual contact between a person who is not a DPRK citizen is a potential death penaltyThe DPRK are almost ideal peace keeping troops: they don't care about anyone's politics, they are assholes but once in a while are decent people. They are ruthless but don't do shit like needlessly torture people for fun, they aren't Russians.
>>65607881Holy shit I served with him. Do you have sauce for that story? Pic related. we did a joint operation with the El Salvadorian Marines during my first tour in 2004. That mission was my first combat, a complex ambush in the lush farmland South of Baghdad. The enlisted goblins are fearless, boarding on foolhardy. They look short and chubby, but they're extremely agile and surprisingly fast. Their lieutenant was trained by the CIA/USMC in Quantico along with a bunch of his peers. Their kit at the time was Desert Storm tier, but with sapi plates and newer crew served weapons and a mix of Blackhawk gear from the px. These lads love getting in the shit, and are going to rape Haiti.>>65609454They all had m16s, m4, m203s, 240g, m2 and para saws in oif.>>65608541>with generous ROE.This anon gets it. They went to Iraq to get our gear and aid gibs. In Haiti it's personal.
Forgot the pic
>>65610245>the DPRK will be a normal member of the international communityOh, so this scenario is post-collapse then?I don't think they'll be called the DPRK then.Also, impoverished soldiers are notoriously easy to bribe and Nork military culture is notorious for rape of subordinates, I wouldn't think civilians are going to be safe.They commit war crimes all the time, they just consider them lawful.You're delusional.
>>65610257I dunno, the way you describe it the Norks and UN boots would be birds of a feather. Though that means they don't really have anything to offer over existing peacekeepers.
>>65610256Are you mr. Mickey Mouse?
>>65610307>the way you describe it the Norks and UN boots would be birds of a featherEh, some of them. UN peacekeepers are from UN nations which is approximately all nations. They're certainly not all cut from the same cloth.Sometimes the peacekeepers are from developed nations too though.
>>65608121>>65608457Power through chaos, I like it.
>>65608121>It's the only truly Libertarian nation on this planet.Is picrel a joke to you?
>>65610255https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Toloza
>>65610323Somaliland is not libertarian.
>>65609157Iraq was more of a team effort, but true. I agree they should be experienced operating in dense urban slums and I expect them to be successful. More than anything, it's them launching a military operation on their own and being responsible for their own logistics, etc. This isnt a big operation but it's enough they can see where they are at.
>>65610510I wouldn't worry much about logistics. The US would provide the airlift for the supplies.
>>65610483They're literally a community that said fuck it, we'll do our own thing.
The only way you can fix Haiti is by assuming you're going to have to level the place to remove the gangs and be willing to put boots on the ground to be killed by shovel AKs. Most nations are unwilling to do that. It would take a global (or relevant global) agreement that you're going to level Port-Au-Prince and put enough boots on the ground, enough assets and spec-ops and counter-insurgency units that they'd fix it. The issue is then, even if you make it stable, you're in a quasi-occupation to make sure it stays stable as you rebuild and then you have to stay after the rebuild to make sure it doesn't collapse again. In short, no nation wants to do it. So nobody does.The only thing you can do, really, is find an agreement to 'mow the grass' and do it for so long you hope somebody in house can find a way to stabilise the situation inside (until he's assassinated or becomes corrupt).
>>65610519The 2010 Earthquake was the perfect oportunity to rebuild it from the ground up.
>>65609560Not Top Gear. This was after they got fired, they started their own show on Amazon Prime - The Grand Tour. Recently got rebooted with a new cast, it's pretty decentThis is, I think, second or third episode of the first season
>>65610520The entire thing was full of corruption anyway. Aid workers running prostitution rings and sex trafficking businesses. Money being 'lost'. Overspend etc. Corruption is rife everywhere but Haiti just had way more willing participants.Sadly because of 'human rights' and other things you can't just track every gang member and put a tomahawk through their shack's roof and move on. You'd need to remove all the gang leaders, scare the rest of the gangs and put enough boots and counter units on the ground to prevent any more, run intelligence gathering shit to make sure nobody who tries to take over survives. But that won't happen. Haiti is just fucked. If it was a vital trade nation, people would care. Or it had some really valuable resource only they had.
>>65610528This. It’s fucked and it won’t ever get better than it is now in any reasonable amount of time. No solution can feasibly be applied from within to fix the problems. If there was massive political will outside you could imagine several scenarios, from the fastest to the slowest>Genocide all the haitians, thereby removing the problem at the source (obviously unthinkable). Time : 'bout a day depending in who launches the nukes>Deport literally every citizen all over the world at a family level, keeping the ex-haitian density at the absolute minimum so all the deported will basically never see another of their old countrymen in their life ever again, effectively killing the haitian national identity and letting whatever’s left of the land heal. Time : about 2-3 years I guess>Occupy a part of the country and slowly, rigorously filter everyone allowed inside while keeping everyone else out, you would also need some draconian dictatorship model inside to prevent crimes from resurfacing, cracking down on the actual criminals you no doubt actually let in, and actually educate the population. Time : 20 years minimumRealistically what’s going to happen is the statu quo wiggling a bit but not changing much in either direction for the next century. It’s always going to be a shithole, although if the gangs eat themselves alive they might have decades where they can climb uphill a bit, though it'll never not be shit.
>>65610483Neither is Haiti, but that doesn't stop people whose only concept of libertarianism is what they heard second hand from a guy in a Che shirt from making that claim.
>>65607769>they just rounded up male millenials/zoomers and called it a dayZero fucking loss. Those are the ones in the streets screaming want to commit mass murder so they can take other people's stuff. Every single one of them on Earth could vanish and there would not be a single bad effect except for some housepets starving before they could be rescued. With enough effort the majority of those could probably be rescued, too.
>>65608104Super Tweet is too strong. it scares the Fighter Mafia.
>>65608733Far more likely is that you're reluctant to admit that simply rounding up the troublemakers stops them from making trouble. Out of standard respect protocols because I do not know your political leanings I will not deign to draw the predictable (and in online discussions almost inevitable) comparisons in first-world nations. For the moment, I am not depicting you as the basedjack.
>>65609702Natives do not look anywhere near that good. She's 90% European at least.
>>65607108This is the third or fourth video I have seen of Haitians pouring rum on their rifles so at this point I’m sure it’s a voodoo thing.
>>65607141Why would cannibal nigger island concern itself with "political fallout"
>>65607881I think it’s really endearing that you think he killed those insurgents during the fight and not afterwards when they had their hands tied behind their backs lol.
>>65607225Drone fags are insufferable nigger brained magical thinkers
>>65610134ok, so what does the data say?>uh I dunno putting people in prison badI can't wait til you get gulaged
They don't need to do anything. Just hide their captives for as long as possible until the gov pays them the ransom. Any rescue attempt is just going to lead to the hostages being killed
>>65610245>Immune to bribery because who the fuck do you think you are talking to?Norktard.... even I, a random anon, know rampant bribery is well known to exist in Best Korea, in fact it's the backbone of their consumer economy
>>65610313Yes it is. The Netflix reboot of Blackhawk Down is going to be kino.
>>65610575>that doesn't stop people whose only concept of libertarianism is what they heard second hand from a guy in a Che shirtYou've got the wrong type of libertarian there.This one is the kind that knows the exact age of consent in every nearby state.
>>65610798>I think it’s really endearing that you think he killed those insurgents during the fight and not afterwards when they had their hands tied behind their backs lol.You know he routed them with the knife charge, right?The unit was pinned down and exhausted their ammo and he did a bayonet charge but with his folding knife and the insurgents scattered from his attack.
>>65609744Isn't the standard for IQ meant to be a clean 100? And yet according to this the vast majority of the world is slightly below.
>>65608754rent free, fag
>>65607115100:1 kill/death ratio incoming
It's a shame nog worship is the official religion of the "international law" gang, and Dominicans can't just easily roll over the 5th world shithole which has no reason to exist besides giving the US gov't Elite Human Capital cannibals to air drop into rural american towns
>>65611422The Dominican Republic would rather snort glass than have control over Haiti.
>>65611426Thesis: have control of HaitiAntithesis: snort glassSynthesis: glass Haiti
>>65611394>Isn't the standard for IQ meant to be a clean 100?Yes.>And yet according to this the vast majority of the world is slightly below.That's what happens when the system is developed with the premise that an average Anglo or German is of average intelligence.
>>65611437And yet Britain is below the intended average of 100, in fact most of Europe is.
>>65611438Yes, certain factors have led to a decline in the population's average intelligence in the last century.
>>65611442If you're alluding to immigration then why is Sweden a tier higher than the other Nordics?
>>65611448I imagine it has to do with date of collection and sampled regions.
To me, this all just proves that Haiti has cracked the secret on how to become unconquerable. Their own goverment can’t control the population, so subjugating them is useless, and then nobody also wants to take responsiblity for policing Haiti -> so you get a nation that is as unconquerable as it ever can be.
>>65611580>have a shithole where there's nothing of value>fill it with retarded niggers>wow, we won so hard nobody can beat ussure
>>65611580>how do I stop burglars?>That's right! I'll burn my house down>Then nobody will want it
>>65607108> haiti is preparing to fight salvadorI think I’ll have a coke
>>65611674Mexican coke for the real cane sugar
>>65609971This is one of the subjects that truly separates people from drones.
>>65611580>>65611588>>65611665I mean, if you order a pizza to the pub and want to go to the toilet, pissing on your pizza will ensure nobody steals a slice while you're gone.
>>65610315>irish pol bait
>>65611580That may be so, until someone puts genocide back on the menu and they are unable to defend themselves because they have no military, organisation or industry.Currently outside forces are taking that option of the table, but if the US gets into it with China and doesn't have the capacity or even interest to play world police, this is a real possibility.
>>65612650I'll take Singaporean style technocratic dictatorship over your democracy, thanks.
>>65607115We pick up their trail at the chopper, run 'em down... grab those hostages and bounce back across the border before anybody knows we were there.
>>65607108Post-2022 /k/ meetup
>>65613375Those who would hate Haiti enough to genocide it understand it's an even worse crime against humanity to continue allowing them to exist in their own squalor.
>>65607576Holy shit, how did I miss that?
>>65607802>modern societies>Central AmericaPick one.
>>65608035Now sort them by race.
>>65611299I want to see war crimes when they find out they were already killed and eaten.
>>65611448Swedes were smart enough to pay "refugees" to stay home on test day.
>>65609971>>65612650Show me a coumtry ran by actual Democracy, I'll wait.
>>65613723We don't know what your definition of an "actual" democracy is.
Also I will continue to shill Singapore, it has everything from low corruption to a high HDI all while not being a democracy but rather something infinitely better: a technocracy.
>>65611360You know, I wonder if the unexpected success of bayonet charges in the middle east is because of suicide bombings, lol
>>65613761>You know, I wonder if the unexpected success of bayonet charges in the middle east is because of suicide bombings, lollolI thiiiiiink not but maybe racial memories of surviving Iranian child suicide bomber waves existed in the Iraqi insurgents?
>>65613727Everything decided by popular vote, not by elected representatives.
>>65613941By your definition there has never been a democracy in the entire history of the world. Not even ancient Athens, the place where the word originates, was democratic according to your retarded toddler definition
>>65607141And that's fine if they are in the densely populated area where they can shoot , scoot then blend in. But what about when they are held up for days on end and their cocaine and aphetamine wears off, They can live on bananas and fish for a few days then what ? Remember, these are not well disciplined VC or dedicated Jihadist they are dumb nogs
>>65613946There actually has been, what that guy above you is referring to is direct democracy, which is practiced in the cantons of Switzerland.
>>65609304>>65609332>>65609372Haitians live on the side of the island that doesn't received West African nutrient deposits during Harmattan, unlike the DR, Brazil, etc.Additionally, Spain spent the period between 1825 and 1960 sacking the government's finances under threat of annexation and genocide of the population. As a consequence, it couldn't enforce necessary land reforms (esp. after losing the DR, which the French exempted from punishment), and people desperate for food migrated to marginal plots to survive. In the 60s onward, electrification stalled and trees were used for charcoal. Really, America and France have been taking turns trying to control the country since 1825. (The recent "gang" problem came from America assassinating Haiti's leadership when it broke from them diplomatically. (Picrel))In combination with their only immediate neighbor, the Dominican Republic, being full of people who want them dead, there's a strong feeling of nihilism that dominates politics in Haiti. They'll never be powerful enough to prevent American or French hijacking, but they won't be annexed either. All of the people they helped in the 19th century either have abandoned them or are too afraid of the U.S to change the status quo, so it's just impossible to proceed. >>65609386If you don't understand Caribbean power dynamics, just don't bother with this.>>65609499The DR revolted about a decade after French indemnities had drained the Haitian army of resources. Its conscripts were poorly-supplied for the war. >>65609394>and massacred the entire white populationAt the end of a 2-year war in which 200,000 whites died and 300,000 blacks died, during which a French general had taken to using Cuban man-eating dogs and converting ships to gas chambers, one of the generals declared the remaining 5,000 Frenchmen to be a security threat and killed them. That's the "massacre" being described.
>>65609372Sub saharan hominids have an IQ in the 60'sThe other side is not of the same species of hominid
>>65607131They actually fight tho, all that ammo wont do shit if you arent using it for your country
>>65607603Biden left office so there's no need to use a black proxy to attack Haiti, and the Kenyan state got sacked the moment they sent their police to the Caribbean.>>65607731The gang they're fighting typically recruits from El Salvador, but it's predominantly active in other parts of Central/North America. For what it's worth, I have my suspicions about the whole thing, mostly because this dictatorship gets a lot of positive PR in the Anglophone internet, which is just unusual for Latin America in general. Still, there's no saying just yet.ES has a population of ~6M. CECOT, their pride and joy, is a prison designed for 40,000, and it actually holds 15-20,000. Haiti is a country of 11M people for whom civil war is just a painful inevitability. Unlike the MS-13, the leadership isn't so stable that order could be preserved if they lost to an outside power, and establishing control isn't a matter of plucking malicious actors out from the populace. Even with U.S backing, Haiti is "Land war in Asia" tier.
>>65614159And the French women and children. They murdered them too, then a lot of the mulattoes. >waaah it's America's fault it's France's faultnah it's the Haitians fault for being like that.
>>65614253>5,000You don't have to pretend to have a moral foundation to stand on. You can just say you hate Afro-Caribbeans.
>>65614262yawwwwwn. what a retard post.
>>65614253It's France's fault for purchasing slaves that were former soldiers and expecting that not to end badly.
>>65614268Purchasing them, emancipating them, preparing them for use as shock troops to take the Caribbean with, then getting into a spat with one of their own generals and trying to enslave, then kill them all. All over said general (who was set for a promotion) getting ahead of himself with a declaration.
>>65611588>>65611580Worked for Somalia too
>>65614262>murdering women and children is okay when they're whiteI don't care where the afros are, I hate them.
>>65614262hating afro-anythings is a moral foundation in of itself
>>65614262this dude really thought "they only massacred thousands why are you even mad" was an actual argument. Where do they find you people?
>>65614297>>65614403>6 months after killing women and children by the thousands, your enemy decides to do the same>bitch about it for centuries after
>>65614287>Somalia is such a shithole ran by incompetant retards that two entire unrecognized breakaway regions are doing 1000 times better than the actual internationally recognized countryThe world just needs to recognize Puntland and Somaliland so that the southern portion of Somalia can die off into tribalistic warlords fighting for sand and scrap metal
>>65614159>Really, America and France have been taking turns trying to control the country since 1825. (The recent "gang" problem came from America assassinating Haiti's leadership when it broke from them diplomatically. (Picrel))You must be a haitian or something because only haitians and their cocksuckers believe shit like this. Haiti has had a country-crippling gang problem well before the 2010s. Hell, they were major problems back in the fucking 90s
>>65614448Were the crimes committed by the colonial powers reprehensible? Yes, was the massacre of the French colonists by the Haitians reprehensible? Also yes, more people need to realise that crimes against humanity aren't contextual, you can't use one atrocity as a justification for another.
>>65614512>You must be a haitian or something because only haitians and their cocksuckers believe shit like thisThe U.S government is still fond of coups. How shocking.>Haiti has had a country-crippling gang problem well before the 2010s. Hell, they were major problems back in the fucking 90sThat wasn't a long time ago.>>65614518You can when one is done as an immediate response to the other. If you start gassing civilians and lose, your civilians are getting gassed. Those are the stakes of war. Don't complain.
>>65614448I literally don't care what the French did, same as you don't care what the Satanic nigger cannibals did.
>>65614577Not the same at all and you know that.
>>65614749It is though. No matter what they did, you accept and support and excuse it.I think the same. The only thing France did wrong was lose.
>>65614518>>65614525Hatians mindbreak the current international law system by being civilians that are capable of paramilitary actions. It's as simple as saying "nuh-uh, our armed, organized fighting groups aren't soldiers." And the UN buys it.
>>65614761>No matter what they did, you accept and support and excuse it.That "no matter what they did" would mean more to me if I knew you didn't just mean cleaning up a remnant of the people who'd just attempted to kill them off. Anyway, Dessalines was proven right about them. One of theirs managed to blend in, get popular, then sign the whole country over to France. The public tried to kill him after, but he escaped to his true home. But please do shed some more fake tears over the smallest casualty of the war. Gross creature.
>>65613973IIRC Switzerland and New England are the only parts of the world where actual direct democracy is practiced in any regard, albeit in the latter's case it's used as the form of local government in smaller towns.
the blackwater guy is there right?I don't get how it works, wouldn't a mercenary be incentivized to keep the conflict going?
