Is modern society really prepared to stomach the casualties from a real global conflict? I don't think psychologically people are ready to see something like "250 men killed at the front today" like we could in WW2/Korea.
Absolutely not. Americans will chimp out over one dead nigger under the right circumstances nowadays. Imagine if the government was retarded enough to lay hundreds of dead niggers in uniform out?
>>65621137Russia has been losing over a thousand people a day for going on half a decade and there's no sign of slowing down.
>>65621137No I think on this alot when I study casualties some countries suffered in one days fighting at say the somme or stalingrad. These people lived in a no bullshit time where everyone was more grounded in death just being a reality and they had there religion to fall back on. Modern westerns heads will explode if they are forced to grapple with the notion that we lost in a day the amount of men we lost in the entire gwot
>>65621149he said modern society
>>65621137Are have been extremely unpopular because there hasn't been a good reason for them in a long time.The last war we had that was justified was 1990 Iraq, everything since has been a series of lies for corpo profits.I think if someone put boot on our land we would be more than willing to throw down.
>>65621137We'd get accustomed to it within a month.
>>65621145>Imagine if the government was retarded enough to lay hundreds of dead niggers in uniform out?Imagine if the government invaded Iran with only niggers?
>>65621137people arent car models, the people today are biologically identical to all other people up to roughly 200,000 years agothere isnt anything we couldnt do in the past that we cant do today
>>65621162>palletised nigger deployment out the back of C17
>>65621158Iraq 1990 was the dumbest war we fought in the 20th century. It was the direct catalyst for both Iran’s regional ascendancy and China’s military modernization. It was well executed by the military, but also the dumbest thing a Bush ever did geopolitically speaking.
>>65621163Not really true. Settling down into a farming lifestyle ~10 000 years ago was a major bottleneck. Humanity came out of that much more short, frail and weak. Recently we've started to increase in height on average, but we are still skeletally built like sissies compared to the hunter gatherers that lived 100 000 years back, and likely won't 'recover' (no evolutionary pressure for that)
>>65621169It was the only morally justified war as Saddam was a legit authoritarian asshole and his people were better off with him in the gournd.As always the state department fucked up by using the victory to maximize profits and turn the locals against us.
>>65621174Everyone in the Middle East is an authoritarian asshole. The war was interventionist nonsense fought almost entirely because of Saudi money entering American politics.
>>65621175And it would be morally right to overthrow then, just as it would be morally right to overthrow my government that taps everyone's phones, installs surveillance cameras everywhere and beats people in the street for protesting.
>>65621180You should probably try to stop thinking about politics because you are far too easily led around by the nose.
>>65621145That's why you send jeets instead. Nobody cares about dead jeets.
>>65621181I'm just old enough to remember before 9/11, a time when phone tapping without a warrant was considered by everyone to be government overreach.My opinions on right to personal freedom and privacy haven't changed in the last 30 years no matter how much the world has.
>>65621145losing one is a tragedy, losing a hundred is statistics >>65621152dont underestimate human self centered nature. The war in Ukraine and its ripple effect (like hungary, slovakia or serbia) proves several factors>voters dont give a rats ass about foreign policy in elections. Only exceptions are countries bordering hostile parasites like pozzia or china feeling existential dread on a societal level. Its domestic policy like egg, fuel prices or blatant corruption that determine results>as long as the war does not personally effect (you), its some far away distant thing the average Joe tunes out off. As in social media works, food is in the shops and their living space is warm. Even romans figured this one out (let there be bread and circus)
>>65621169>Iraq 1990 was the dumbest war we fought in the 20th century.>lets have hormuz straight oil shock in 1991hmm yes, let saddam torch the persian gulf as he was planning on invading saudi arabia and the other gulf sheiks next if the reaction was a limp dicked as it was against monkes big chimpout of 2022 (You) are an idiot and likely were not even born when that war happened. Bush senior was the last competent and sensible king the US had in regards to foreign policy. He broke saddams teeth, but left him enough leash to freeze the Iraq secterian violence dead in its tracks
>>65621137>modern society really prepared to stomach the casualties from a real global conflict?They don't care. War is just an excuse for one political party to demonize another while stealing tax dollars for the "war effort".
People weren't really prepared for WW2 either. They absolutely weren't prepared for WW1.
Society has never been prepared for it, do you 5hink that people in ww1 were just like "oh yeah my leg was blown off but I'm a primative creature with no emotions so I don't mind"? PTSD (and the many names/explanations various cultures have given it over the years) has been documented since wars were documented.
>>65621137What does the reddit frog have to do with that?
>>65621198>losing a hundred is statistics That line of thinking really worked out for McNamara in Vietnam. The government should definitely try it again.
Why can't zoomers understand monopoly of violence? The state will force you to die, its not a matter of being able to stomach anything.
>when millions of pajeets starve in a war with china
>>65621693>Monopoly on violence>The stateBureacrats should learn when soldiers get tired they are bound to rape and hang bureacrats
>>65621137Given how desensitized and utterly psychotic people are today, they'd probably relish in the violence and destruction rather than be appalled.
>>65621701Just checked and the FAO of the United Nations doesn't have food insecurity statistics for China and India.
>>65621693Yep, worked so well for the Tsar. Or all the officers in Vietnam. Or the for Nivelle and the French Army. Soldiers are just 100% loyal drones that never, ever realize they have a gun and a burning hatred for the guy telling them to do shit
>>65621137It's coming. Not a global conflict though, apparently there is a plan by the orange emperor to step up the conflict in Iran post midterms. Boots on the ground would not go well for anyone desu
>>656211681975 B.W.C Law prevent the stockpiling and use biological weapons. BWC blocks the use of BBC
>thread is full of low iq willful reductionisms simplifications and soundbites Kill yourselves. Total frog nigger board bumper death
>>65621833Maybe for you brownie
>>65621931Oh hey how's the strait going? Gas and goods in shartland still climbing in price?
>>65621950Your subhuman homeland is literally a fucking crater at this point and you think an increase in prices for Americans is a win for you?
>>65621137Relatively speaking, americans have always been extremely casualty-averse. They were total pussies in WWII as well.
>>65621958Oh right the fatties are surely winning because they replaced an 80 year old guy with a different guy with the same last name name and sharts are so poor now they're electing unironic socialists to office now
>>65621137>modern society really prepared to stomach the casualties from a real global conflict?This is nigger (of any color) cope. They think their warrior spirit and willingness to tolerate the retarded shit that russians and worse do to themselves has any advantage.Modern society is willing to pour treasure into the war marchine to win the war.Ziggers pour meat into the war machine and then embezzle the treasure to make the meat cost even more expensive for a worse result.The US used agent orange in Vietnam to defoliate the jungle. The US is willing to defoliate your entire nation and raze it flat if it becomes necessary. Right now the US is content to spend a little treasure and even less blood, don't confuse that with an unwillingness to spend more blood and more treasure.
>>65621137>Is modern society really prepared to stomach the casualties from a real global conflict?No, which is why it will not happen.Propaganda machines are largely incapable of making someone want to commit suicide. People also for the most part have lives worth living.
>>65621171>Recently we've started to increase in height on average, but we are still skeletally built like sissies compared to the hunter gatherers that lived 100 000 years backwhat the fuck are you talking about, Hunter-gatherers were all starving manlets.They didn't get enough food growing up so they were short.
>>65621137>Is modern society really prepared to stomach the casualties from a real global conflict?The war machine is fed by steel and gold. It does not hunger for flesh.
>>65621145>t. Tojo circa 1941
>>65622125*Unless you're a zigger
>>65622128He's probably talking about earlier (and purer) neanderthals, yes they were shorter but they had huge musculature and bones. They were slightly shorter but far more powerful
>>65622148>They were slightly shorter but far more powerfulso why did they die out?
>>65622151They didn't, they bred with the homo sapiens by mogging the hell out of the men and eventually became the same people
>>65622154so they died out?
>>65622156If I fucked your mom and and all her sisters and then died, and had a bunch of kids with your mom and her sisters, who also had a bunch of kids who had a bunch kids, did my line die out?
>>65621965>frog postingAh, so you’re one of those then.
>>65622161yes, your "line" gets diluted out of existence within a few generations, unless your kids fuck their siblings and their kids fuck theirs and so on.
>>65622170The answer is no, because others such as myself have done the same and to such an extent that anyone that's not a subsaharan african carries my DNA to this day
>>65622180But what is "your DNA"?Isn't it just junk?
>>65622185It's functional so no it's not junk. Is your ancestral DNA from 1/2/3/4/5/6 etc thousand years ago junk?
>>65622193>Is your ancestral DNA from 1/2/3/4/5/6 etc thousand years ago junk?a majority of it is junk, yes.
hunter gatherers had significantly more attractive and masculine the average hunter-gatherer today could take your bitch with ease
>>65622198This doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny. While it might not actively be coding for anything (unless switched on) it has other roles to play in your genome
>>65622204>hunter gatherers had significantly more attractive and masculine skulls and faces*fixt
>>65622204And I could bash the average hunter gatherer's skull in because I have a solid foot of height on him and I'm not malnourished.
>>65622221His skull is harder and he is significantly stronger than you, the larger bone structure suggests he would pick you up and crack you like a glowstick
>>65622208>>65622204If that's you're only criteria for judging masculinity you should know that homosapiens were woefully inferior to Neanderthals in terms of masculine appearance and physical prowess.All Neanderthals were absurdly physically strong and "alpha" compared to homosapiens, with the average stone-age Neanderthal possessing physical prowess similar to modern Olympian athletes.But they lived in very small social groups, and they burned through colossal amounts of energy just living their regular everyday lives.When the last ice age ended and the megafauna started going extinct, the Neanderthals couldn't eat >12,000 kcal of red meat a day, so they starved.When the homosapiens arrived in tribes of >500 individuals, the 20-person tribes of Neanderthals didn't stand a chance against their numbers, despite their superhuman strength, endurance, and toughness.
>>65622235he's a little guywhat's that 5" manlet gonna do from down there?He should eat a burger.
>>65622258Grug will fuck you up my boy
>>65622263grug needs to go lift, I think
>>65622268grugs whole lifestyle is lifting >>65622250They interbred with the homo sapiens, the DNA evidence suggests it was solely grug men breeding sapien women
>>65622269grug's lifestyle is starving and walking
>>65621152>Modern westerns heads will explode if they are forced to grapple with the notion that we lost in a day the amount of men we lost in the entire gwotThe Sky Marshall will resign and the new Sky Marshall will undertake to understand the threat to defeat the threat.
>>65622221Unless you're one of those hormone freaks that's casually 6'6+, you would not have a solid foot of height on a hunter-gatherer. Their exact height ranges depend on ethnicity and environment obviously, but you're probably only looking at 5-ish inches. Early agriculture is what made human height fall off a cliff, since it was less nourishing but far more reliable. Meaning more people would survive but with childhood malnourishment, leading to the sad heights you often see associated with ancient people. Combine that with the fact an average paleolithic hunter gatherer is doing frequent natural exercise, hunts big game with a bow at absolute best (pointy sticks at worst), and is far more used to both receiving and delivering trauma... yeah I'm betting on the caveman bro. He's strong, has dense bones, and is definitely more blooded than most human beings alive today. Even if you're some huge gym rat, we see from street fights that big muscles alone do not make a competent fighter, lots of swole guys pick fights, get punched in the nose, and panic. I know both the original anon and you are baiting, but I just wanted to gush about paleolithic people unironically.
>>65622272If they were starving and walking they wouldn't have effectively bred into every modern white persons DNA
>>65622280This might be my own cynicism speaking, but I honestly think the average CaveWOMAN would beat the average first worlder man in a fight.
>>65622280Generally if people get more calories in childhood, they grow taller. Insecure food supply means less calories in childhood.I don't believe for a second that the average hunter-gatherer was taller than even the average Babylonian and certainly any modern person.But feel free to prove me wrong.Also, it doesn't matter if you're "more blooded", if you get hit good in the fucking head, your brain is still gonna rattle in your skull and you're likely going to sleep. This is just thirdworldism, except for prehistoric people. Hardship doesn't make you stronger, it just makes you weaker.There is no benefit or meaning to suffering, it just permanently damages you.>>65622281Starving and walking is all all people did back in those days.
>>65622289If grug was starving grug wouldn't have consistently giant bones to support huge musculature, our records of them would be all lanky
>>65622294we only have skeletons, so I'll go with lanky
>>65621171>Humanity came out of that much more short, frail and weak.Nonsense, that's how we're biologically "meant" to be.We've been fucking biology sideways by megadosing protein and min-maxing nutrients to optimise for mate-attraction, murder, and survival, in roughly that order.Intellect has dominated nature for a very long time now. We'll maybe never really know when Intellect took over from natural forces because it predates persistent artefacts but at least as far back as when the first time a hunter set a trap, we adopted an unnatural diet that optimised for nutritional fuckery that made evolutionary influences on physical development a side note at best.
>>65622289>>65622280>I don't believe for a second that the average hunter-gatherer was taller than even the average Babylonian and certainly any modern person.huh, apparently I was in fact wrong, nevermind thenI'd still easily beat grug in a fight, though.
>>65621184>My ... on ... haven't changed in the last 30 years no matter how much the world has.In nature, stagnation is an inevitable harbinger of death.
>>65622296Protip: skeletal structure can tell you how big muscle was
>>65622311Even if you're a 6'5 250lb roidtroon grug would beat your ass. It's like the man v chimp conversation all over again
>>65622269>the DNA evidence suggests it was solely grug men breeding sapien womenWrong. Literally the opposite is true.It has nothing to do with "Chad" genetics, just mammalian chromosomes.Neanderthal women impregnated by homosapiens could give birth to fertile female offspring, but not male ones.Homosapien women might have been able to birth a small number of fertile female offspring, but any males would be sterile.That's just how mammalian chromosomes work, I won't go into detail about the exact mechanics of this here.That being said, it appears that male Neanderthals were considered very attractive by female homosapiens, and that female Neanderthals were seen as highly attractive by male homosapiens.The genetic record clearly show that there was significant amounts interspecies fucking going on back then, likely going both ways.The genetic science is conclusive. Regardless of how much he tried, Grugg the Neanderthal couldn't father fertile offspring (99.99% of the time) with his Homosapien war brides.Meanwhile the Homosapien invaders could knock up their Neanderthal captives and produce a few fertile offspring, at least if the offspring were female.
>>65622323No, it's not and in both cases the man wins, because if you get a good head in the head, the chimp and grug go to sleep.
>>65622327You will not knock out grug or a chimp mein negger >>65622325This is wrong and you're turned around, sustainable interbreeding was between grug dads and sapien mothers
Can you niggers stop talking about whether a Neanderthal could tear your arms off like Joe Rogan
>>65622335I've knocked out big dogs before. What's the difference?
>>65622337Grug body = weapon = on topic
>>65622338More resilience, dogs are not adapted to getting knocked around over millenia
>>65622283Eh I don't think that's cynical or unfair. Your average cave woman probably had bone density that'd be abnormal even for a strong man. Different times, stronger bodies. Though that does get me wondering if modern man has an edge with actual fighting styles and an understanding of things like footwork and grappling. AFAIK prehistoric man didn't have much of a need to develop hand to hand fighting once they had sharp sticks and rocks. Perhaps due to our modern civilization constantly flooding us with information we're better wired mentally to keep track of multiple things at once compared to cavemen
>>65622198>a majority of it is junk, yesThat's a myth.The non-protein coding DNA performs other functions and mutations in it can cause disease and even one form of lactose intolerance.
>>65622341grug is no more adapted to getting hit in the head than me, except Grug doesn't know how to hit people in the head as well as me
>>65622272>grug's lifestyle is starving and walkingAnd fucking your women apparently.
>>65622350I don't think so, I wasn't alive during the ice age.
>>65622204holy shit that oberkassel jaw
>>65622346Grug has a big thick skull and musculature that suggests he can either dodge you or crack you over the head before you can get him. In any case, you can go practice on a grizzly bear, they have thick skulls too
>>65622359I don't think Grug is comprable to a bear.You should reevalute your emotional relationship to cavemen.
>>65622353Your great great great great (to the order of.. 800) granny was and she prolly got bred by grug
>>65622361In terms of skeletal size grug is closer to bear than dog
>>65622363that same lady is as related to you as she is to me.
>>65622364no, he's comparable to a guy and I practice on those twice a week.
>>65622365Yes but I take pride in my grug roots. Also, since we're practically family can I have some money?
>>65622353>I don't think so, I wasn't alive during the ice ageYour ancestress was and she got impregnated by BNC
>>65622367Actually grug skull thickness on the larger edge of average was closer to a smaller bear than modern human
>>65622371I'm basically neanderthal myself
>>65622373that doesn't matter?If you hit someone in the head you're not trying to punch through their skull, you're trying to make their head move faster than their brain.
>>65622375Hi Ron Pearlman.I heard you died?
>>65622379What exactly do you imagine is the function of the cranial vault?
how did this thread devolve into fanfics about nean*erthals when the initial post was about early homo sapiens?
>>65622384do you know how a knockout works?
>>65622389Do you not understand grug skull is superior at dissipating any applied energy?
>>65622391so grug is a magic fae creature, got it.
>>65622393The skull structures ability for dissipating strikes + huge neck muscles prevent sudden accel-decel damage means you wouldn't knock it out, correct
Terrible thread
>>65622399I guess I can't beat a wizard in a fight, true.
>>65622404>Massively hypertrophied neck muscles (trapezius, splenius capitis, semispinalis capitis) anchored the skull securely to a broad, heavy-set upper torso. This added mass reduced sudden whiplash forces, directly mitigating rotational head acceleration—the primary cause of loss of consciousness and traumatic brain injuryThat's not even counting the thick skull and muscle in his face
>>65622406look, I know grug can cast fireball or whatever, it's fine.
>>65622409You're just embarrassed that a grug would beat your ass, not me. Grug couldn't beat my ass because my cardio game is on point
>>65622411you can't outrun his magic missile, son.
>>65621137>>65621198While I sew your point, I’d say Ukraine itself is an even more interesting example. It’s a democracy with free press, and yet society keeps going even with horrific levels of losses both civilian, material & military. You can say they have their back against the wall, but honestly -kind of a case study also of how many people won’t leave even if they could (no, I disagree all who could leave did). The way I see it now - if I had kids in a place like Ukraine, I would literally take any - any- job abroad to get them out, but clearly literal millions of people don’t think that way. And what’s more - Zelenskyy remains fairly popular - but not madly so & they have constructive protests when relevant.Kinda shows you how adaptive and resilient humans are, so I think we’d see the same. Hell, my country gets a stray drone every three weeks - it literally doesn’t affect anything for most.And I am aware and theoretically agree that both willingness to inflict and sustain losses matters in war - but I think the West is more resilient than you think, provided it’s not an idiot war of choice. If we end up in a defensive war, I think we’ll be alright.
>>65622413I can outrun anything while grug is stomping you in the diet
>>65622415no, sorry grug can cast blink so he can catch you anywhere.
>>65622420Don't be mad grug would beat your ass, take pride in your ancestors being based
>>65622414Would you flee the US (or wherever you're from) in a similar situation?
>>65622409Or you could just admit that you're wrong
>>65622480I already admitted that grug is a wizard
>>65622428I’m from the Baltics, the time to flee is now desu. I’m in the army reserves due to having served & am 100% getting mobilized if shit hits the fan even a little. I’ll be like those Ukrainian guys who died in 2023, not even later. And yet I am still here, and so is everyone else I know, don’t personally know anyone who moved abroad because of this. But instead real estate prices are booming and salaries are going up.
>>65622315Billions of people use several thousand year old books are moral guidance and those that don't tend to follow a thousands of years old philosophy.People think about right and wrong & how to manage a society, always have, so having an original idea is near impossible.
>>65622400Standard quality, actually
>>65622387Dunno, it's reasonably entertaining though. I'd rather talk about anthropology than most of the topics on this board these days. Anyways, the answer to the OP's question hinges on whether or not the State would have enough leverage to maintain social order and/or enforce a draft at home while fighting a war with what I assume for the purposes of this argument to be a boots on the ground invasion of Iran. I personally think not.
>thread starts off with some bullshit political bait>turns into a debate about whether a modern human can beat a neanderthal in a fist fightThis is currently the best thread on /k/.
>>65621980The U.S. pulled out of the Vietnam war after losing a mere 60.000 men. Sure the casualty-averse western militaries will inflict 2,3 or even 5 times the casualties on their enemies as they themselves suffer, but it is irrelevant when the enemy still is standing and motivated to go on. Granted, I doubt Russia would ever pose a threat to Nato and neither would China be stupid enough to invade Europe, but the latter will be smart enough to chose a war on their "turf", or at least the territory in close proximitd to their borders. How many soldiers do you think the goverment is willing to sacrifice when it would happen?
>>65622832Another issue with Vietnam is they didn't do anything to the US and all the justifications for being there (if commies win in Vietnam all of Asia will be commie) turned out to be a blatant lie.If Vietnam had Pearl Harbored the US there would have been a lot more support for the war but Vietnam voting wrong wasn't considered a major problem by those that actually support democracy.
>>656222806',8" giant here.
>>65621168You joke, but that was almost a real thing. The Air Force was responsible for cleaning up after the Jonestown massacre and the original plan was just to load up all the bodies on aircraft pallets and drop them into the Caribbean because they were all black and poor.The families of the victims protested so the Air Force had to preserve as many remains as possible but they had been out in the jungle for so long that the corpses started to turn into sludge and it all became a giant shitshow.
>>65621801Closest thing to the truth itt
>>65622387>how did this thread devolve into fanfics about nean*erthals when the initial post was about early homo sapiens?Neanderthal shills are everywhere on the internet. Yet you rarely see them IRL. Curious.
>>65622613>Billions of people use several thousand year old books are moral guidance and those that don't tend to follow a thousands of years old philosophy.Billions of idiots and outside of Hindu, no current religious dogma is several thousand years old. Although I employ a little stoicism, I'm more of a Kant guy myself but ideas are timeless only when they're very simple or generic.
>>65623180Neanderthals would get mogged out of existence in modern day. Height matters more than anything. Grug would be an incel.
>>65623195>I'm more of a Kant guy myselfSo you like 200 year old ideas but think I'm wrong for holding 30 year old ideas?
>>65623261>>65623261>So you like 200 year old ideas but think I'm wrong for holding 30 year old ideas?Yeah. Pretty much. The Categorical Imperative was designed to be as simple and generic as possible, so it's pretty timeless, like The Golden Rule. Expecting the world not to have changed since you graduated is absurd though and ultimately self-destructive.
>>65622866>all of Asia will become commieIf they weren't delayed/stopped. Domino theory was absolutely correct, as Veitnam springboarded the communist takeovers of Laos and Cambodia, and you forgot Korea.
>>65622125>People also for the most part have lives worth living
>>65624379> If they weren't delayed/stopped. Domino theory was absolutely correct, as Veitnam springboarded the communist takeovers of Laos and Cambodia, and you forgot Korea.Yes, the utmost correctitude of the theory is why the Vietnamese then fought against Communist China and defeated the Khmer Rouge. Because turns out regional historic context matters, weird.
>>65622937"Scooping up jonestown corpse slush in Guyana" might be the worst duty, like, ever
>>65621137>like we could in WW2/Korea.No anon, we never had that in 4kUHD before
>>65621844mutt's law
>>65624351I don't expect a stagnate world, I just consider one where the average person doesn't value freedom of speech and privacy as fundimentally worse than one where they do.
>>65622414>Zelenskyy remains fairly popular - but not madly so & they have constructive protests when relevant.I thought the Fedorov protests this summer were really interesting. Zelenskyy fires him, probably for political reasons, and massive nationwide protests erupt. Then Fedorov tries to use this tidal wave to call for elections (he wants to be a candidate) and instantly his support base evaporates, like from one day to the next was a 98% drop in protesters. They interviewed some people and they basically said "this was a bad move and he should be reinstated, but we do not want elections"Like, the people of Ukraine aren't stupid. Whether or not they approve of Zelenskyy, they're not going to call elections in the middle of the war.
>>65625710Both are relatively recent innovations that came with prosperity, to be honest. In some places - 100 years or less.
>>65625717Both were the default for the majority of human history because even if not legally protected the rulers had no way to catch people exercising them.Now it's more important than ever as everyone willingly carries a bug in their pocket at all time.
>>65625716Yes, I conpletely agree. Honestly - I do think Ukraine is a fascinating and optimistic preview of a modern society in a 21st century major war. Sure, they were way poorer than the rest of Europe, but societal trends and ideas still came. I grew up in the post-USSR 90s, it was same as the Western 90s except h&m was a “very good brand” lol. Same ideas, music, culture.So I think Ukraine gets overlooked for relevance due to being poor & corrupt, but a lot is similar. And I have to remind everyone - they had a very fractured national identity when the fuckery began in 2014, which has since consolidated instead of falling apart. Largely around “fuck Russia, whatever we may speak (tho Ukrainian is on an upswing), we are not them”. And, for reasons both pragmatic (EU support) and idealistic, they conduct war different as well.
>>65625723I see your point, but there was literally no privacy when sleeping in the same room with 8 other peasants you’re related to, some of which are making new peasants as you’re trying to sleep. Similarly society was horizontally self-regulating, and while you’re right, the lord will not realistically overhear, but Cleetus the harvester will. Have you ever lived in a small town? Imagine that, but the gossip mill also basically has legal primacy.
>>65625716People calling Zelensky a dictator for not having elections in the middle of a fucking war are either bots or completely brainwashed by them. No country actively being invaded has ever held general elections.
>>65621137American morale in Iran has basically completely collapsed after suffering fewer fatalities than the Battle of Mogadishu to the point where everyone would seemingly prefer to just lose the war as fast as possible to lower gas prices.I'd say we're not ready to stomach 250 killed per day unless it's a civil war (because while Americans don't want to be killed by foreigners, we WANT to kill each other)
>>65625738Ah yes all those American frontlines in IranOn a serious note, I understand that you probably mean the civilian populace, but home sentiment is very different from military morale. Morale is fine among the pilots and naval officers actually conducting combat operations.
>>65625716>>65625726During the USSR a heap of higher education was put in Ukraine to support the nuclear, aerospace, metallurgy and chemical industries making the Ukies generally more educated than the average soviet.Post USSR this has lead to a weird mix of soviet corruption in politics despite an educated population ultimately leading to Euromaidan.>>65625734I have lived in a small town and while everyone knew everything about everyone nobody said shit to the cops. See Ken Rex McElroy.>>65625738Anon I enjoy laughing at the Iran clusterfuck but try to be intellectually honest about it, it is very stupid, unpopular and clearly motivaded by Bibi having video of Trump fucking kids, it will be a strategic defeat but not a military defeat.
>>65625744It was prior to WW1 too. Ukraine was unstable and its territories changed hands a number of times, but even those circumstances were better than Tsarist russia treating peasants like animals. Education wasn't even an afterthought for the bulk of the russian population, even at the peak of Tsarist power. Meanwhile late 19th and early 20th century technical schools were popping up in every Ukrainian city of any size
>>65625744If you want to analyze Ukraine further, they were also shackled to a bunch of Soviet era heavy industries that were in a limbo state of profitable and useless. For example in the Baltics shit like that - for better or worse - was sold for scrap in the 90s (with a couple of exceptions), while in Ukraine they remained, probably because it was economically and politically difficult to shutter. So they remained one foot in the East with those, as they were basically only useful for Russian-oriented business directions. So they kinda waffled between the two, and Donbas was where the industry was - so it was (relatively) better off. One of those weird cases where the part of the country bordering Russia isn’t the poorest. Well, Russia eventually made sure to set thigs straight.>>65625744Right - but then take that to pre-police era. What happens then? And again, police is also a recent concept.
>>65625752Good point about them keeping the soviet heavy industry, it ultimately proved the right move as they can produce things like the BTR-4.>>65625752Cops are cops, call them police, towns gaurds, tax collectors, whatever.They are representatives of the ruler autherized to use force against the civilian population.
>>65621137The idea that the human psyche is somehow now irreversibly weaker or more fragile than it was in the past is totally myopic and really just seems like self-masturbatory doomer shit. We're casualty-averse now because we've become so good at war that death happens rarely and at a distance. We're so good at it that we don't even reserve war for necessary conflict over existence, self-enrichment or higher ideals. If that changes, and death comes to the homefront in numbers because of a war worth fighting, we'll see the same gradual acclimation to the new reality that has accompanied every armed conflict in all of human history. In short, guys like >>65625738are retarded because enforcing Israeli foreign policy is obviously not on par with the stakes of a global conflict. What's more, the world is not divided by this weird continuation of the gay settled farmers vs hunter-gatherer chad cope that thirdies have been spouting since one tribe first made ploughs, because those effeminate, weak-minded farmers beat ploughshares into swords and slaughtered the raiders as they cried "but I was the better warrior!".
>>65624499It's the reason that the modern definition of PTSD is a diagnosable condition in the DSM. The cleanup started right before Thanksgiving and nobody had any idea what had actually happened, they just thought they were going to extract Congressman Ryan and the defectors who had already been killed. By the time the Air Force arrived three days later they corpses were all bloated and just fell apart whenever they were disturbed. The poison was slow acting too, so most people shit their pants and vomited before they died too. One of the big problems that the Air Force ran into was that they didn't have any child sized bodybags for all the kids that were killed so they resorted to packing in as many as they could to even the body bag out for transport, but this caused all the corpses to get mushed up together.The smell was so bad that every aircraft involved in the evacuation had to be sent for depot-level refurbishment to get the stench out. Four aircraft still smelled afterwards so the Air Force wrote them off as lossed airframes and sent them to the boneyard, and also replaced the Guyanese military's entire air wing that was involved.The operation ended a week before Thanksgiving and all the airmen were sent home with no decompression time, so many reported signs of stress while they were with their families. There's a medical report that has some real wild stories, one guy started broke down and had a panic attack when he heard a baby crying and another guy got served mashed potatoes and reflexively vomited all over the thanksgiving table.
>>65625779At that point I would take photos of the bodies for identification, fence the area off to keep out large scavangers like dogs and come back for the bones 3 months later.
>>65625764Oh yeah, I mean already post 2008 economic crash everyone who didn’t buy the “we all just do services, production is for thirdies” meme won out.While I see your point, I kinda have the feeling that basically monopoly on violence was way less enforced by the state the further back you go. So social conformity & cohesion was enforced by the peasants on other peasants for peasant reasons, sometimes violently. Y’know, that whole thing where most people are hard-wired to try & get along because being cast out was a death sentence - so that’s what I mean about freedom of speech. You could speak, but could end up spooking the other peasants to where they bash you with a turnip or just let you starve in winter. And I see that as core small town mentality, at least in my experience, today.
Our governments hate us, why would they care about casualties?I think people are absolutely delusional about the difference between ethnically homogenous countries in past/present and our modern westWe would NOT survive a warWho would leave their home undefended while there are thousands of illegals/africans/whatever hiding out from the draft ?
>>65625799>ethnically homogenous countries in pastRead a book about the Roman Empire, Macedonian Empire, Mongol Empire or Spanish Empire.The world you think existed died with the canoe and wheel.
>>65625799>>65625803Not to mention this obsession with “ethnic/racial homogeinity” is a modern, US-based fad. In the past people were entirely happy to slaughter their countrymen for class, religion or the wrong dialect. Most countries were a fractured powderkeg most of the time, democracy brought relative stability.tl;dr chud
>>65625806>this obsession with “ethnic/racial homogeinity” is a modern, US-based fadEternal reminder that Hitler was a reader of Western cowboy novels, and Nazi ideology was actually a germanized version of american racism and exceptionalism, not just german imperialism.And the nazis only were able to get to power after the Great Depression ended the US loans that were fixing the german economy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan#Results
>>65625806There's no such thing as democracy. That's just basic misdirection for the meat of the bell curve.
>>65626060Sure thing, chud. But for those of us who aren’t bitter manchildren and have a bit of perspective, I’ll stand by my point.
>>65625752>police is also a recent concept.That depends on how strictly you define police.Roman fora had Dacia mercenaries to keep order and catch thieves. Fasci existed too, of course. Athens had Scythian armed slaves who were deputised to keep order and carried cudgels.
>>65621137>like we could in WW2/Korea.America did not take significant casualties in Korea.It barely took significant casualties in WW2.Taking casualties is for the little people.
>>65621137you really need to motivate Americans to stomach those sort of casualties, and nothing since WW2 and maybe Korea has done that.
>>65626061You don't have a point that wasn't given to you, aka you simply don't have a point. You're a bot all said and done.Largest empire the world has ever seen, 250 years strong, all held together by choices made by the every man. Just imagine what kind of odds those would have been. I know you can't, obviously.
>>65626734If you’re not being ironic, you’re an exceedingly sad man.
>>65626734>democracy is just misdirection >...>the empire was held together by choices made by the everymanSo which is it?
>>65621137No, society won’t be able to stomach what a world war looks and feels like and what it will mean for their lives. Think about how school shootings affect people where only 14 kids die Can you imagine hundreds dead on the front today, 3 hospitals bombed, 3 schools destroyed and by the way bread isnrationed to 1 household per week due to supply constraints ? Brown puts, military equipment on freeways, martial law, closed areas of down due to a crater from a dropped munition Can’t go to work today….. Russians took out the bridge so…. No job for you
>>65625794I work in manufacturing…. Trust me dude America is cooked if an actual fucking war broke out. I am not joking, entry level positions in manufacturing are people who couldn’t cut it at McDonald’s…. This isn’t me cracking a joke that’s who actually staffs the floor Not showing up for work, quitting no notice , people coming in hungover all normal
>>65627606>>65627609Nice of you to drop by, shill. Thanks for sharing your AI-generated narrative push. Your boss won't punish you for being so obvious, I'm sure.
>>65627620Not a shill dude, remember all the cool high tech shit ukraine had in 2022? How long did that advantage last? 6 weeks? 6 weeks until they were digging trenches and using museum grade weapons? How many andruil drones get shot out of the sky by some izmash shotgun produced 80 years ago before the soccer moms are calling Trump to surrender because they just heard that 300 sandy hooks of people just got wiped in North Korea by some fuckkng microwave weapon You see 50 18-year old college kids just blow up into pink mist in 4k and it’s uploaded to cnn the hour it happened in 4k Or some 20 year old college football athlete going oh god oh fuck please help while running in a trench and you just hear drknes wizzing by How long do you think an upper middle class woman could stand to see that?
>>65622258Actually hunter gatherers were stronger and taller than modern humans. The average human height shrank massively after farming became the norm, it's only very recently that heights have started tresnibg back up again.
>>65627627Nah it is just the American being spoiled bitch. Its been a long time since an enemy army march on america's mainland.I can't wait for chink to invade them.
>>65627778And the fossils of hunter gatherers don't count because...?
>>65621137>modern societyThe President is ready to sacrifice a couple cities to keep the Epstein files from the public, if that's your question.The nay-sayers will just be put under ICE custody.
>>656211691990 was a measured rational responce to Saddam being a dick.you kick him out and give him a good trashing in doing so. but you don't try to knock him out because then you'd have to try and keep that shitstain of a country from falling appart. it would also throw the entire ME powerbalance off axis and allow the Iranians to get to bold.the "oh fuck" moment was 2003, Saddam is gone, Iraq is falling appart and the US is now tied down trying to spin two plates at once. that's when Iran starts getting ever more bold and when the Chinks realize that hey the US isn't invincible.
>>65627606>Think about how school shootings affect people where only 14 kids die>Can you imagine hundreds dead on the front today, 3 hospitals bombed, 3 schools destroyed and by the way bread isnrationed to 1 household per week due to supply constraints ?Can you imagine if someone crashed a plane into New York and killed thousands of suits? And if air travel got super annoying as a result?The country would collapse, nobody would dare allow the army to leave the US again, for fear of provoking a repetition.
This thread is both an interesting discussion and a massive chudwhistle, huh.Only psycho societies crave total war, that doesn’t say much about their ability to wage one. By that logic Ukraine - never starting wars - would have folded to the brainfucked warmongering Russians in 2022.
No. War is much more intimate. Footage of an execution and some embassy shooting doomed public perception of nam. We were lucky the Iraqis suck at war and the Afghans are poor. God forbid any of our enemies are dangerously competent
>>65627821Said fossils were taller than you
>>65625803>>65625806>>65625833>citing the Roman empire which was a textbook example of disenfranchising and the dissolution of civil political identities in favor of etho-religious ones>muh ethnic homogeneity is a modern fad when the Romans genocided thousands of tribes to achieve a semblance of identitarian cohesion including other Italics like Samnites, Etruscans, Lucanians, Ligurians, and even other Latinii like the Volsci then did it again in fucking Greece literally erasing the Corinthians off the map and then Gaul and IberiaRevisionist kikery. Needa no further rebuttal.
>>65627797There is no government on earth besides the American one that can police or even contain the geavily armed, feral fent voodoo niggerzombie population of America. The Chinese government think they can use 20 people with mancatchers and riot shields for every single unruly citizen meanwhile a single tweaked out 7 foot nigger can literally walk through full auto fire and disembowel you if you miss the vitals.
>>65628550> identitarian cohesionI like how you fluidly jump between identity/culture and ethnicity to try & bullshit your supposed point. But, again, you are clearly a chud, the West has fallen & your white dreamland totally existed in the past, the Fuhrer told you so. I’m sad for you and your non-existing white children, who like yourself have no actual identity beyond that. Well, would have, but won’t. Because the Jews took away your state mandated gf through hypergamy.I’m sure you can also explain to me how nationalism totally existed in the middle ages, or how revolutionary France was so much more homogenous than now, or how the Yugoslav wars never happened. Same as no civil wars ever did either, when I think of it.
>>65627797>Nah it is just the American being spoiled bitch.>Its been a long time since an enemy army march on america's mainland.>I can't wait for chink to invade them.Are you restarted? Consider an invasion of the United States of America. Naturally your going to be divided between a southern thrust through Mexico after landings of divisional equipment on Mexicos Pacific Coast, or a northern sickle across British Columbia and Alberta down into the catchment and headwaters of the Mississippi River. Use Cuba as a denial area with Naval mines. You have now landed 400,000 troops into the USA. They will be dead in a week.
>>65626885The US didn't become the world's foremost superpower that occupies half of the developed world because we let average janitor Joe have a say.>>65626820stay asleep
>>65621137>Is modern society really prepared to stomach the casualties from a real global conflict?Yeah sure I think it's hilarious watching Russian dictaorsloppa die like flies, if chinks and norks dictatorsloppa want to die like flies too that would be fine, idgak02.11.2026Tanks — 12452 (+1)Armored fighting vehicle — 25629 (+7)Artillery systems — 51801 (+46)MLRS — 2251 (+2)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1731 (+1)Planes — 452Helicopters — 356Ground robotic systems — 3063 (+9)UAV — 592541 (+936)Cruise missiles — 5140Ships (boats) — 35Submarines — 2Cars and cisterns — 169110 (+371)Special equipment — 4863 (+2)Military personnel — aprx. 1592770 people (+2500)Fact is if any dictatorsloppa actually tries to kill a lot people in civilisation then that dictaorsloppa will cease to exist forever and become a talking point for historians. Reality for you there my dictatorsloppa fren.
>>65627876That's exactly what happened. >Oh here, let me push your chair in for you Mr Netanyahu while i explain my plan to terrorize Iran in your honor. >no sir, thanks to our propaganda very few people question why we're aiding an aggressive rogue nuclear power in order to take down a supposed rogue nuclear power.
>>65621693The monopoly of violence lies in the hands of the people with the guns, not the people that handed them the guns.
>>65628646It lies in the hands of those intelligent enough to win when retards like you start pracing around picking fights. Spoiler, you are dead before you get to see the outcome.
>>65621171Don't those types of humans still exist in isolated tribes, like the Sentinelese?>>65622250Neanderthals' caloric needs and physical attributes were overkill for the style of hunting humans partake in. It's why their descendants gradually shifted towards a form closer to humanity.
>>65622937Reminds me of the WWII anecdote where one of the side effects of the US serviceman's diet was that it kept his body intact for dramatically longer in jungle conditions compared to the Japanese that ended up becoming mattresses of worms in a matter of days.
>>65628597>I like how you fluidly jump between identity/culture and ethnicity to try & bullshit your supposed point. Ethnicity is the only identity that persists throughout time.I don't even need to explain why there's no separation between ethnicity and culture without forced assimilation or genocide.There's no such thing as civic nationalism or cultural nationalism and has never been every civilization in history has treated them as one in the same, the very word "ethnos" is the same as "nation" and "people" or "race" in Greek, to distinguish a nation from it's ethnos is to create an oxymoron. Meanwhile every single culture until extremely recently has defined itself by it's peoples and not it's institutions of governance and symbols which is what modern political "identity" comes down to.>But, again, you are clearly a chudWhinging and seething with no argument. Reflects poorly on you more than just saying nothing. Also waste of characters.>I’m sure you can also explain to me how nationalism totally existed in the middle agesI can, every Medieval kingdom was ethnically homogenous. They called themselves the Franks, the Anglosaxons, the Normans, etc, they didn't call themselves the members of the kingdom of X, or the subjects of the X crown. These were nations because they referred to an ethnic group that was exclusionary and specific and their common interest rested on that commmunity and not the polity of it.>or how revolutionary France was so much more homogenous than now, They agreed on who was French, at no point French-hood was questioned. Not so much now.>or how the Yugoslav wars never happened. Same as no civil wars ever did either, when I think of it.You're literally talking about ethnic groups prevailing over a constructed form statehood. Once again, Ethnicity is the only real form of nation.
>>65628597>the West has fallenLivin in what you primitives term the west rn, nice civvilised west European nation. Not alone is there no evidence of any myserious falling but life here is vastly wealthier and more paceful than 25 years ago. Off you hop with your kremlin spammed delusions.
>>65628761Go back to wiping for the big guy, JD, we’ve all heard this already
>>65629087>Not alone is there no evidence of any myserious falling but life here is vastly wealthier and more paceful than 25 years agoMaybe if you're from some former combloc shithole. Objectively, QoL in most industrial or post-industrial nations has declined.
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>>65628662The Japanese diet predisposes them to parasites, they just like raw or lightly cooked foods and get a lot of parasites as a result. They're pretty good about modern food safety so it's not third-world tier but they're still significantly higher for worms etc than other developed nations. In WWII, fuggedaboutit
