Why are pump actions only popular in the US? Is it literally just that American gun buyers want cheap guns and pump actions are the cheapest shotgun you can make (or second cheapest compared to a shitty single shot) whereas in third world countries like yurop only the landed gentry can own guns so they spend more on nicer guns?
>>65637132only americans are allowed to shoot things 3+ times without reloading
>>65637132>Why are pump actions only popular in the US?They aren't. Japan loves the pump.
>>65637132>Why are pump actions only popular in the US? Because weapons that have more than 2 shots available are illegal in the rest of the world.Why the fuck would you want a pump action with only 2 shots?
>>65637132>want cheap guns and pump actions are the cheapest shotgun you can make (or second cheapest compared to a shitty single shot)That's definitely not it. Bolt action shotguns were a fair bit cheaper than pump shotguns, but practically went extinct because everyone was willing to pay a bit more for pumps.
>>656371322/10
>>65637143Nips are honorary Americans>>65637146because bolt actions are slower to shoot so they suck for wing shooting and rabbits and shit where you want a fast follow up shot. We're fine with them for rifles because American hunting doesn't prioritize follow up shots. you see this with the browning winchester designs being more popular than the toggle lock winchesters despite the browning actions being slower to operate (and the Winchester stocks aren't exactly designed with rapid fire in mind, probably why Teddy Roosevelt wanted shotgun butts, because all of his hunting stories involved him mag dumping some poor animal because he was blind as fuck and a piss poor shot).It's also why we don't have a double rifle tradition like yurop has. Which makes it even funnier than yurop still refuses to adopt guns like the Remington 760 or Remington Model 14 and instead makes straight pulls for their driven game guns>>65637150what are you talking about, fatso?
>>65637132I like lever action but outside of faggot ass .410 the options are pretty slim
>>65637163>yurop still refuses to adoptDunno about the rest of "the country of Europe" but we often just use semis (including restocked SKS) for driven hunts. That, or anything short and handy that we already have at home.
>>65637132if clay shooting is a big part of the local shooting culture, then pumps suck at it>capacity is irrelevant because you'll only be using up to two shots per turn regardless>having to pump throws off your aim, and delays your follow-up shot when there's only a narrow window of opportunity to make it and you need that shot right fucking now>with some unusual exceptions like bottom-ejectors, a pump-action or semiauto will be spitting hulls at whoever's on the stand to your right>each stand will have a container to put your empty hulls in so they're not just littering the stands; with a break-action you can just grab them when you open the gun and drop them in, whereas with a pump/semiauto they'll have to all be picked up at the end>standard etiquette is to keep your gun unloaded and broken open whenever you're not immediately shooting, so that it can be instantly recognized as safe; this doesn't work as well with non-break-action guns (sure, you can leave the bolt open, but it's not going to be as visible from all angles, and certainly not from a distance)
>>65637179yuropoors have these retarded bullcuck straight pulls to avoid using the chad remingtin pump rifle
>>65637186Oh, I've seen you get mad about it for no reason in another thread.It exists.Noone uses it.
>>65637146This is sorta true but not true. When more economical pumps like the 870 and 500 came out they were cheaper to make than bolts. Having the bolt lock to the barrel instead of locking surfaces being part of the reciver was game changing.
>>65637229yeah cause you got no gunz
>>65637132They're popular anywhere, but a number of Euro nations made them illegal due to a string of bank robberies and anti-pump action media campaigns during the 90s.Semis and doubles are prefered by hunters and sportsmen, and having a gun that can reliably feed dragon's breath and other odd shells isn't a niche that exists outside of the US.
Doubles are quite practical. You get a fast follow-up shot, and at the range You can just break the gun for a relaxed posture between shots.
>>65637163I'm rating your bait, it is poor.
>>65637268it ain't bait, thirdoid
>>65637144Lol, no>>65637186That's more to do with semi-autos often being more regulated. No one really gives a shit about pump-action rifles>>65637250Afaik, that was just Austria, and it's one case with "pump action Harry" shooting up a train station?Okay, OP, I'm going off the top of my memory because I can't find the report right now, but the norwegian government actually looked into this about a decade ago. iirc for all modern cartridge based shotguns globally, the split is basically 60% pump, 30% semi-autos, and the rest is double barrels and single shots.But there's a twist! For Norway, it is reversed, So here 60% shotguns are double barreled, 30% semi-autos, and then there's a smattering of pumps, bolt-actions, etc.Shotgun usage across the world has mostly been utilitarian and defense, but in Norway, it's like 90% bird and small game hunting, 9% sport, and then the last 1% is niche stuff like anti-polar bear protection with slugs. Which means if you want a light weight to carry, comfortable to shoot shotgun, you are going to end up with an over/under shotgun.
>>65637295>That's more to do with semi-autos often being more regulated. No one really gives a shit about pump-action riflesThen why don't yuropoors use remington 760s? a pump is faster than a straight pull. that's why we don't make straight pull shotguns
>>65637299Rifles are traditionally shot prone or from a rest, which makes a pump difficult to use.
>>65637304not for driven hunts
>>65637132Pump action shotguns are heavier. In Yurop people actually walk around a lot while hunting (English driven hunts need not apply).Pump actions are fine if you can sit in a blind and wait a lot of animals to walk or fly by, but if you are going to be hiking 20-30km a day looking for grouse or some shit in the forest, you rather carry something lighter.
>>65637330Nobody hunts with pump action shotguns retard
>>65637132Probably because it's extremely reliable?Asking why Americans use a pump-action is like asking why Americans use a lever-action. You're just a retard.Next you'll ask why they make bolt-action rifled shotguns, right?
>>65637428they don't seem to be asking why americans use them, so much as why non-americans simultaneously don't
>>65637434Hmm, you're right. For once, I am the retard...
>>65637144I have a single shot pump and it's really great!
>>65637163>Nips are honorary AmericansWould.
>>65637238>This is sorta true but not true>I kinda knocked her up but didn't knock her upThere is only one truth.
>>65637132Americans use the pump because they're extremely reliable, made incredibly cheap by mossberg and Remington, and they do what they're supposed to do, with high capacity. A double barrel is only advantageous if you're limited to 2 rounds for some reason, and an incredibly expensive shotgun doesn't make sense because we aren't limited to one gun.
>>65637238Lol no. Bolt action shotguns didnt become popular until the 50s-60s when the 870 & 500 were being made. No way this piece of shit ever cost more than either a remington or mossberg
>>65637132I'm an Yuro, and I and many of my peers own a pump. Why the fuck would you waste 1000+ bucks on a double-barrel, when a 200€ Mossberg does the same job, and is sexier?
>>65637516What do You use it for? I only shoot skeet so a pump is not for me.Where the hell do You get a pump for 200 EUR?
>>65637693NTA but I paid 275€ for my 870 Wingmaster.
>>65637171$1500 for a good 1887, but it's really nice
>>65637132It's a cultural thing, the rest of the world is inferior to America
>>65637516>an YuroIs this a meme? Or do Europeans not know how to use an/a?
>>65637905An FAL
>>65637905They really don't, it's like how the English pronounce words wrong just to be different from Americans. Like for says they pronounce it "seyz". Or the aluminum thing.
>>65637905>>65637932You guys should an hero.
>>65637940kek, after you chase all the invaders out of Europe
>>65637932Nah, I gotta give them the aluminum thing. A shit fucking ton of metals have the -ium suffix, so why shouldn't aluminum? But every fucking euro I know misuses an.
>>65637905>do Europeans not know how to use an/a?At least I was taught to always use "a" when the letter is a consonant and "an" when the letter is a vocal. I just recently learned that the rule is to use "a" when the word sounds like it starts with a consonant and "an" when it sounds like a vocal. >t. a Finnish guy>>65637132In Finland it seems that people nowadays tend to hunt with either over/under or capacity limited semi auto shotguns.
>>65637982Because the guy who named it called it aluminum, and the prefix doesn't fucking matter, if anything having the end of every word sound the same would increase the likelihood of mishearing or miss speaking. If the word is unique it stands apart and can't be confused, especially since the English have teeth shaped like modern art.
>>65638047Why lie? Humphrey Davy named it alumium, then switched to aluminum, and then finally to aluminium to be in line with the other metals. You're cherry picking instead of using what he originally called it, and then what he settled on.
>>65637271May we see your shotgun?
>>65638126>Humphrey Davy named it alumium, then switched to aluminumThis is true, not the last part
>>65637971maybe one day :(
>>65637905He's probably actually an American, because why the fuck would you say I'm a Yuro instead of I'm from X country? It's extremely unnatural, unless you're a shitposter who mentally thinks Europe is one country.
>>65638347Not sure if you're new here, but Europeans famously refuse to admit which country they're from on /k/. The main reason is because it's always a bong, and they know their opinions on firearms are completely worthless, so they just say they're European. Kind of how bongs brag about Europeans speaking multiple languages, but don't acknowledge that it's all Europeans EXCEPT for bongs.tl/dr bongs are ashamed to be bri'ish, and they fucking should be.
>>65638400Different guy here, but I only admit I'm Swedish on /k/ when that's the subject. I'm too embarrassed otherwise.
>>65637791>1887>goodOutside of merely being a lever action its only "good" if you want to larp as the terminator
>>65638441What's bad about it? I've had good experiences with them.
>>65637376people hunt with pump guns>>65637330Why would pumps be heavier? double barrels have 2 steel barrels. my pump has an aluminum receiver>>65638131Why? it's just a mossberg 500
>>65637428I'm not asking why Americans like them, (also levers aren't super reliable). I'm asking why thirdies don't.>>65637438I accept your concession, reddit spacer
>>65638400bongs aren't even European, they are just the US's gimp bitch.>>65638426>embarrassed about being a Swedequick Dane bros get in here
>>65637442kek>>65637516I should have gotten the regular 500 over the retrograde. I had to buy the 28 inch barrel anyway and the retrograde forend is gay because it ends too far away from the receiver and I replaced the stock with a boyds anyway (which is kind of meh, the grip is ass, like holding a 2 by 4 but it's the only wooden stock I could find with comb and LoP adjustments >just don't be a manletLoP adjustment is nice if you're wearing a coat or something)
>>65637376I do, an 870 of all thingsMostly just doe tho, i use my over-under or combi when hunting birds
>>65638533Thank you for your mercy, OP.
>>65637791>1887>good>>65637798true>>65637932true, the bongs are buckbroken>>65637987yeah like an hour or an horse
>>65638047>and the prefixsuffix. prefix goes in the front of the word, suffix goes at the end of the word
>>65638536>quick Dane bros get in hereNord here, is that close enough?
>>65638426Sweden is pretty cool in regards to /k/ shit, at least by European standards.Swedes have to jump through all kinds of bureaucratic hoops to own guns, but if they actually complete the process, they can get their hands on some pretty damn cool gats.Things like handguns and semi-auto center-fire rifles are comparatively easy to get, and unlike most of Europe, Sweden doesn't have magazine capacity restrictions.A Swede that is willing to fill out a whoooole bunch of bullshit paperwork can get things like SMGs, select-fire assault rifles, and actual full-auto belt-fed 50-cal machine guns.That kind of firepower is completely off-limits to the Britbongs.
>>65638536NEJ, INTE DANSKJÄVELN...!>>65638569Scandinavia has it much better than Britain as a whole on guns, and I think part of it is that most of the region LOVES hunting, so guns aren't as foreign, but a lot of things could still be better.Self-defense laws in general are poor at least in Sweden, and it's not just with guns, courts REALLY hate it when a victim actually fights back against a violent criminal at all, which is why police LOVE to set examples.Swedish law on guns have gotten a bit more lax and less retarded in recent years, but I hear that Finns have unfortunately gotten it a bit harsher. Norway's hasn't changed much in a while I think, unsure of how Denmark is faring.
>>65638347yurop is one countryalso >>65638400most thirdies refuse to say their country because they know they will get shit on for being from a gay country so they just say a general area so you can't be correctly racist>>65638441or rick o'connell from the 3rd best Mummy movie>>65638585>>65638569it's probably hunting related because, aside from denmark and iceland, they claim massive amount of empty inhospitable land no one lives on so they have more of a hunting culture.From what I've read about for nipionistan, if you live out in the boonies, as a matter of practicality, the local nip cops basically rubber stamp all of the gay ass gun regulation steps, whereas they are massive homos about it in tokyo
>>65638604>it's probably hunting related because, aside from denmark and iceland, they claim massive amount of empty inhospitable land no one lives on so they have more of a hunting culture.Yes and no.Hunting is huge in the Nordic countries, that's true, far more so than it is in the densely populated set of island making out Nipponistan.But the Nordic nations all have long histories of being neighbors with violently expansionistic states/empires like Germany or the Tsardom of Russia/Soviet union.As such, most of these nations have fairly well-established traditions of military conscription and/or post-conscription service in one form or another.With former conscripts serving as a either a loosely organized militia or instructors in a civilian marksmanship program.In these nations, it has always been an open secret that these governments weren't giving away free ammo to the old greybeards with Mausers and/or Krag-Jorgensen rifles so that the old timers could shoot recreationally for fun at the ranges on the weekends. These old graybeards were given free ammo by the state so that they could practice shooting at invading russians, and so that they could teach younger generations to do the same.
>>65638560Doh' thanks fren
>>65638557Ha, three of those are me
>>65638654>in the densely populated set of island making out Nipponistan.Nipponistan isn't densly populated, it's hyper urban. 92% of nips live in cities, the rest of the archipelago is very sparsely populated. >>65638669no problem>>65638670kek
>>65637181>>capacity is irrelevant because you'll only be using up to two shots per turn regardlessunless someone loads a double or -gasp- has a 3rd clay shooter>>having to pump throws off your aim, and delays your follow-up shot when there's only a narrow window of opportunity to make it and you need that shot right fucking nowskill issue>>with some unusual exceptions like bottom-ejectors, a pump-action or semiauto will be spitting hulls at whoever's on the stand to your rightwho cares, fuck them it's your turn. they should be out of the way>>each stand will have a container to put your empty hulls in so they're not just littering the stands; with a break-action you can just grab them when you open the gun and drop them in, whereas with a pump/semiauto they'll have to all be picked up at the endwhat kind of faggot place do you even shoot nogunz? most break action guns will eject those shells anywhere >>standard etiquette is to keep your gun unloaded and broken open whenever you're not immediately shooting, so that it can be instantly recognized as safe; this doesn't work as well with non-break-action guns (sure, you can leave the bolt open, but it's not going to be as visible from all angles, and certainly not from a distance)holy shit you sound like a fucking queer
>>65638604>From what I've read about for nipionistan, if you live out in the boonies, as a matter of practicality, the local nip cops basically rubber stamp all of the gay ass gun regulation steps, whereas they are massive homos about it in tokyoSounds pretty plausible to me. Wonder if that's how that one Japanese guy got himself a SPAS-12 on a bird license?
>>65638654>But the Nordic nations all have long histories of being neighbors with violently expansionistic states/empires like Germany or the Tsardom of Russia/Soviet union.Sure, but there was also a time when Sweden was like that, we owned Norway and Finland for a time, and we fought a lot with Denmark, went to war with Russia and what not.As an example, one of my ancestors was a minor noble apparently, a knight, and in a war with either Norway or Denmark, he was captured, held, tortured for a bit, and then released back to Sweden for pay.
>>65638743>As an example, one of my ancestors was a minor noble apparently, a knight, and in a war with either Norway or Denmark, he was captured, held, tortured for a bit, and then released back to Sweden for payAnd this was in -93, imagine how it was way back in the forgotten days
>>656387761993?
>>65638776lmao, that a sports joke? Sorry, I'm a nerd. Anyway, it was the middle ages, and war is war, if he didn't want to get tortured by Norwegians he shouldn't have participated in a war against them.Other ancestors of mine met worse fates, one was a priest who got decapitated for some undisclosed reason. No records of who he is or what this was actually about, it only listed his punishment, but they put his head on the chopping block, so either he was a real bastard, or made the wrong enemy, perhaps both.
>>65637132Pumps are based. Running that action is fun. I'd argue it also makes it easier to swap ammo on the fly than a semi.
>>65639012I like to keep one for close encounters
>>65639122
>>65637181>with some unusual exceptions like bottom-ejectors, a pump-action or semiauto will be spitting hulls at whoever's on the stand to your rightWhat kind of pussy shit is this? Who the fuck cares?
>>65637516Cause the double barrel has a really solid used market with guns made before everything became super cheap and shit?Though I'm from Canada so it might differ in Europe.
>>65639831don't you just buy chinaman guns in leafisan?
>>65637376>laughs in 835
>>65637376>Nobody hunts with pump action shotguns retardNo-gunz of the week award. Maybe even the year.
>>65640538No, since the (functional) semi ban people buy turkshit cope rods.
Americans are the best at guns and ammo in the world, the civilian market is 10 times plus larger than the USA military small arms market and Americans want a host of options including affordable classics that just keep working like pump actions. And yes a fuckton of Americans hunt with pump actions, an even more fuckton of Americans use pump actions for home/camp defense. Just like a fuckton of Americans (millions) also hunt with AR's.
>>65638688>who cares, fuck them it's your turn. they should be out of the waynot all clay sports work that wayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIJuj486tO8note how each participant in the above video stands side by side at a row of five stands; they each take it in turns to shoot five times, then rotate to the next stand, and repeat until everyone's done so at every stand>most break action guns will eject those shells anywhere>he can't grab the hulls when he opens the gunskill issueyou can see them doing exactly that in the same video, although in their case they don't have containers and just toss them in front of the stands where they're not in the way
>>65643003Man, that's pretty gay
>>65643040they are famously gay in those places, dickless too
>>65637135/thread
>>65643099Gross, we should nuke them out of pity
>>65643137100%, I voted for this
pump shotties are everywhere in latam and southeast asia in the hands of homeowners and security guards
>>65637132Europeans dont larp. If a gun has no practical real world civilian use (hunting and sport shooting) its pointless for them.
>>65643390>yuropoors don't larplmao, good one, homoPumps have a ton of value. Mossberg 500s and Rem 870s are the 2 most popular hunting shotguns in the US. I'd have to assume more game was taken with pumps in the US than semis or over unders
>>65637135Pump-shotguns are popular enough here in Sweden even if they have to have gay magazine plugs. A shotgun is a shotgun.That said, they simply forgot about lever-action shotguns here when defining that limit, having made sure to be really specific about all the other actions, so if you have an 1887, derivative, or an Adler, you can actually just have the full tube on those and it's legal. Some people really like that for wild hog, and I get that, fucking hardy pests.
>>65643390does SRA count as LARP?
>>65643390Only because the law is gay as fuck. There's a bunch of guns I'd love to have just because.
>>65643418yeah I can see levers only being OK for shit like hogs, when they don't have the same tube limit as other actions. pumps won because they're the fastest action and best for wing shooting
>>65643418>Pump-shotguns are popular enough here in Sweden even if they have to have gay magazine plugs. A shotgun is a shotgun.Same goes for Norway, but i honestly cant think of what my 870 does that my over-under and semi auto doesnt do equally well or better
>>65643466I just really like the feel on levers more, how I can keep my supporting hand stead, and the stock steady against my shoulder, and still have quick repeating. Also the swinging action feels nice. But I'm also a sucker for cowboy (and cowboy-ish) guns in general.I should get a hunting license so I could get a Henry Long Ranger for elk and deer. And an 1887 repro for ducks, ducks are so fucking delicious.Wonder if I could finagle in an old 1894 Winchester just for the fun of it? Laws here are getting a bit less constrictive.
>>65643479I have a .22lr lever gun and I feel like it pulls my head more than the pump on my mossberg. though I can shoot the lever gun fast if I use a red dot
>>65643390>Europeans dont larp
>>65643470they're cheaper
>>65643390Whats meant by "larp" in this context?
>>65643390>hunting and sport shootingHow is self defense not considered a practical use? A pump is perfect for that because it's the most simple, affordable and practical weapon imaginable.
>>65640996Are the chugs allowed to keep the valmets the govt gave out to them or nah?
>>65643774>How is self defense not considered a practical use?Because retarded bleeding heart liberals got way too much power and influence, and now it's forbidden for ANYTHING bad to happen a vicious criminal as a consequences of their actions, even in the immediate emergency sense.>NOOOOO, WHAT ABOUT HIS HECKIN RIGHTS???!! :(Bitch, what about MY rights?Same reason we get so many fucking rapefugees. Close problems, really.
>>65643843Yes they are, lmao.
>>65643843Of course. It was a vast sweeping by name ban for basically everything except 7 models of centerfire semis mostly used by chugs so they could avoid that political landmine.
>>65644058yuros let refugees in because yuropoor "men" love black dick. that's why a french guy invented blacked. every slavic "male" has sucked at least 10 black dicks. the king of spain gave citizenship to like a million blacks so he could blow them
>>65644085I thought a jew invented blacked?
>>65644085Interesting fantasies you're living out vicariously, there.
>>65637132>Why are pump actions only popular in the US?Because of America usually having better home defense and self defense laws than pretty much any other place in the globe.
>>65644088>>65644093he was french. it's a long french tradition. France and other French speaking yuropoor countries had blacked porn in the 1920s and France imported like 250,000 black men after WWI to have sex with french and nazi women >>65644154pump guns are for hunting
>>65644163>pump guns are for huntingPump shotguns are one of the most common home defense weapons in the us because they can be owned in virtually all states.
>>65644245Many people figure they only need one single gun which can do all their needs (home defense, hunting, plinking), and a pump-action 12-Gauge is a pretty good choice for that. You can get quite decent inexpensive ones which will last.
>>65644245>>65644564pump actions are commonly used for home defense because a lot of people hunt birds or small game or used to hunt birds or small game like 30 years ago 1 in 3 people lived in a shotgun only deer state so they were readily available hunting guns pulling double duty
Real hunter use bolt action and not shotgun by the way
