Shotguns are better than AR’s for home defense and combat within 100 yards.Change my mind. Also, they’re just more fun.
>>65638741automatic MP5 is the second best
>>65638741both of them are equal, since just firing at all will cause the attacker to get out 90% of the timeand hitting them, regardless of weapon type, will end the engagement the other 9% of the time
Based and true
>>65638741Depends on how large your home is, how its laid out, and if its in the sticks, suburb, or urban. In tight spaces a handgun or small PCC would probably be the better option.
>>65638741Home defense, absolutely. 100 yards, meh. Even I have to say AR wins this.
if they're the best how come the only shotgun a swat team will use when they're no knock raiding you is for your door knob?
>>65638741>better than AR’s for home defenseBetter? Not really, more like the difference between long guns for HD is completely splitting hairs. Anything besides a 22 or a pistol is going to be equally fine.>combat within 100 yardsNo>Also, they’re just more funYes, 110%
>>65638866Cops don’t have to care about over-penetration collateral
>change my mindt. someone who will refuse to change their mind
>>65638929you shouldn't care either. your number 1 priority in a home invasion should be your own survival. trying to minmax shit like other people's lives and what lawyers might think about you is gaming you can't afford.
>>65638741Not really.No.Yes.
>>65638929Shotguns and subguns pen roughly the same in typical walls as common police 5.56 rounds. Some sources say a couple inches more. 55 grain I have seen claimed as less. SCHV rounds usually disintegrate rathet quickly unless using barrier blind.
>>65638741Neither of them are superior enough to be the "obviously you should use this, retard" choice. They're both up to the job, and have some ups and downs beyond that.If I pull the trigger on someone in my home at 5 yards I would rather look at what a load of buckshot has just done to them, but if it turned out I missed I would rather have missed with, and have to make the follow-up shots with the AR.Shotguns are definitely cooler and more fun, and I have more respect for the guy who has trained to rapidly and accurately run a pump than the AR guy.
>>65638741>t.poorfag gun grabber
What is it about this topic that has guaranteed replies for almost 15 years?
>>65640207>having a more expensive gun means it’s better Keep consoooooming kid
>>65640233>anti AR fudd>m-muh PSA n shietnigger alert
>>65640238I’m not anti AR. Just pointing out budget friendly guns are just fine, especially for home defense shooting a dude 20 feet away
>>65638790>In tight spaces a handgun or small PCC would probably be the better option.Using a pistol caliber gun in your home, when you can use a shotgun or a rifle, is pretty retarded. This isn't something you have to conceal on your body. You can pick any weapon you want. 9mm will go through more walls than 5.56mm, while being far less lethal than 5.56mm.I think a shotgun makes a great home defense weapon. Just make sure it has wood furniture as juries find wood to be less scary.
>>65640243I see a FAB grip and I automatically assume the worst in that person
>>65640250>maximum fuddlorethis post is bait
>>65640265Nah fuddlore is advising people to go outside and fire off a double barrel to scare them off
>>65640233>Tier 1 AR>Call of duty NVGs>Famas french gay ass alert level sight riser was this making fun of the people who think QA is above all reality, or did you just fuck this up?
>>65638741If you never ever once miss a shot maybe a shotgun is better. A slug basically replicates all that .450 and .500 type of AR builds. Otherwise only a mad man would decline 30 rnd mags and what the 556 does to meat within 150 yards
>>65640208Most anons either don't own guns or are borderline actual retards.The real answer is everyone needs>a .22>an AR or AK>a full power rifle>a shotgun>a handgun
>>65640265And yet you are incapable of refuting anything they said.
>>65640316>t.consoomer goy faggotkys
>>65638741>off topic spam thread>stock imagewhat blew up this time?
>>65640568You must be a real life gay ass faggot coming on K only writing like the gay ass fag (you) are
>>65640616Your astroturfing glows, Ivan. It’s smart though, any reply adds to the annoying derailment.
>>65640616Shut the fuck up, tourist scum.
>>65640634>>65640640>U R ZIGGER NOT MEit was really big, wasn't it? go spam on the regular threads instead of ruining the catalog with retarded threads like this one
>>65640789Not him but this thread is actually about guns, they have lots of Russia/Ukraine geopolitics threads they make, not these
>>65640208Always rage bait on /k/ Every single time.
>>65640250Congrats! You have zero reading comprehension! It was never about concealment nor wall penetration but the ACTUAL FUCKING PHYSICAL SPACE IN WHICH YOU LIVE MIGHT DICTATE THAT A SHOTGUN IS FUCKING RETARDED BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO FUCKING ROOM TO MANEUVER YOU STUPID FUCKING COCK SUCKING FAGGOT!
>>65638741you know the rules11.5 PSA AR or gtfo
>>65641258Ew
>>65641155Unless you live in a coffin hotel you have enough room to use a shotgun. Kind of a side effect of making housing that people can move around in.
I keep my shotgun loaded with alternating rounds of flashbangs and rubber buck for the first 4 rounds, then 5 rounds of 000 buck. 6 hydroshock slugs in the side saddle. I mostly use it to scare away bears and meth heads.
>>65638741>>65638764>>65638859>Shotguns are better than AR’s for home defense and combat within 100 yards.they absolutely aren't. they are slower to fire and have more concussion> Also, they’re just more fun.t. trash blasterARs are way more fun to shoot if you aren't shooting at moving targets
>>65641683It's "I'm afraid of concussion" guy
>>65641687you have no gun and no penis
>>65640250I agree with the rule that a pistol is used to exit a bad situation or to fight your way to a rifle, but I also see the value in a nightstand gun. >all that said while my go-to gun that doesn't live in the safe is a Winchester 1300 with buck-buck-buck-slug
>>65641693Dicks on your mind? Gay
>>65641702nope, I'm just saying what you are, fatso
>>65638866>>65638929>>65639029>>656390525.56 has a lower overpen risk than 00. That's why the FBI switched to it
Based shotgun enjoyers. They're also better for bear defense
>>65638741nothing ever happens so it doesn't matter what you pick, as long as it's something you truly enjoy owning and shooting>>65641258noguns
>>65641832>nothing ever happen Trve. SHTF or muh tyrannical gubermint are both LARP reasons to own a gun. If you live in nigger hell you need a CCW handgun, if you live in all white area you don't. If you often go into bear country you need a bear gun, or just get bear spray like an adult. If you go hunt, you need an appropriate hunting rifle or bird shotgun. Pretty much any other reason is recreational/just a hobby.
>>65641683By the time you've finished putting on the larper gear that goes with your 11.5 the robbers will have already taken all your valuables
>>65641683>ARs are way more fun to shoot if you aren't shooting at moving targetsBut moving targets are way more fun than static paper. Hell running and shooting static targets is more fun and a shotgun can facilitate that far better than an AR
>>65641865all of the shotguns for HD fags are poor fags who shoot at trash>>65641852I have a 16 inch, the mag is in the gun and the dot is on, all I have to do is pick it up and rack the handle, fatso
>>65641852NTA but all you need to run an AR is on the gun, if you owned guns you would know this (you don't kek)
8" 300 loaded with hornady 190 sub x. All you hear is the bolt moving back and forth. Kids will sleep right through the whole ordeal.
#3 buckshot is what I have
>>65640208The shotgun is the past, present, and future GOD of all Fudds and their children's children. That's you, me, and everybody you know who has a gun. Everybody has an opinion on boomstick.
>>65641970I thought about getting a 300 upper. Anons talked me out of it.Seems like a fun gun to LARP with innawoods with nods.
>>65642031Isn’t 00 better?
>>65638741Ak better than both
Totally thats why every military, police, counter terrorism, swat, etc use ARs for clearing. They like playing with a handicap.
>>65639029> what lawyers might think about youHas anyone ever been convicted or even charged due to overpenetration in an otherwise legitimate case of self-defense?
>>65642661muh appeal to authority
>>65642784I'm sure there is if someone were so inclined to look.
>>65643382Not what that is.
How bad are the Turk shotguns anon? Picked up a BPA-12 from PSA with the AUG furniture. Wondering how much of a pain in the ass it's going to be to iron out the kinks. I see so much seeth online about junk Turk guns, but the pistols I've gotten have all been decent. Wanted something to complement my 590 retrograde.
>>65644123Shotguns made in Turkey under an established brand name are pretty decent.If you ever see a turk ish shotgun, especially a semi-auto one, that’s made by a company you’ve never heard of or has a try-hard-y name like “Black Aces” and “Panzer Arms” it’s shit.
>Shotguns are better than AR’s for home defense probably, sure>and combat within 100 yards.you mean like combat by soldiers on a battlefield? no, suppressive fire is really important and being bad at that makes you bad.
>>65638750>the 1%A (((Palantir))) AI-powered Kirkinator bot that could solo an entire squad of Spartan-IIs?Are they finally being sent after us?
Shotguns are my favoriteSmoothbores are just "right"I cant understand why anybody would dislike themBeing able to shoot birds and clays out of the air, thats fukken cool as fuck. A gun with a bore big enough to stick your finger in is awesome.
>>65645176>I cant understand why anybody would dislike themPeople who care about made-up shit like "the meta"
>>65638741>Shotguns are better than AR’s for home defenseA sawed off ...Sorry, pupper. I mean a short barrel w/pistol grip shotty. More maneuverable in narrow hallways.
>>65645155if someone is attacking your home with armored vests, a helmet, and a 30-round select fire weapon, then odds are you pissed someone off and there really isnt much you can do to save yourself
>>65646350That gets into the argument that proper selfdefense involves convincing your neighbors to open fire on home intruders with you and providing multi angles of covering fire. Basically, the intruders get lit up from multiple angles
>>65638741KelTec KP50 with the conversion kit. 100+1 rounds of 5.7 right on the gun. Also it's more fun. Imagine someone kicks down your door and running into 51 rounds of 5.7 in frt mode before you even have to flip the jungle mag around
