whats next americans
i guess they'll just keep bombing you, i don't know
>>65639819downing 80 drones sounds like a good thing
>PUT BOOTS ON THE GROUND ALREADY AMERICANS >:(
>>65639823don't the ukies do multiples of that pretty much every single day?
>>65639828yeah and thats also a good thing
>>65639819Just use the Vulcan
once they invent a cheap drone seeker munition the entire drone bubble will pop
>>65639819>no sourceEvery single time.
>>65639838its from twz from 2025 anon https://www.twz.com/air/f-15e-tried-to-shoot-down-iranian-drone-with-a-laser-guided-bomb-during-frantic-barrage-on-israel
>>65639819>drop bombs on dronesNo, no, no. You don't drop the bomb on the drone, you drop the bomb in the drone's path and let the explosion take it out!>t. did that with Durandals in A-10 Attack! back in the 90s
>>65639868>FACT: America has ALWAYS intercepted everything EVER launched at themThe Japanese Fu-Go says otherwise
>>656398191 F-15 can only carry so many A2A missiles, and some of these weren't even carrying a full A2A loadout considering they had JDAMs. It's not as if the USAF isn't sitting on piles and piles of sidewinders.
>>65639877russians can only point out how much money we spend since we take so few casualties. its why their fiction always has us portrayed as technologically superior but also cowards.
What’s the limiting factor when it comes to designing an interceptor missile that’s just powerful enough to take out drones pretty consistently at presumably a much lower cost?
>>65639884Making it useful for literally anything else. Typically you wouldn't want to fill up your planes/TELs/VLS systems with junk missiles that are only good for taking out drones and nothing else.
>>65639819Ah well thge kremlin told trump to raise oil prices find a way to get oil sanctions on Russia dropped and use up stocks of interceptors paid for by the EU for deliveruy to Ukraine for ballistic missiles on drones.Trump, Vance and hegseth were was only doing as ordered by their chain of command delived in person by the runner kusher. I mean what were they going to do, disobey direct orders from their superior officers in the kremlin and face dishonrable discharge from the FSB and GRU and SVR? Put yourself in their shoes.
>>65639833Drones fly too low and slow to use it on them.Remember that video, I can't remember if it was a Russian or Ukrainian fighter, but it was trailing behind a drone whipping around like crazy because it couldn't get it's sights on the drone at that altitude without risking faceplanting into the ground
>>65639884UKranaisn simply use other drones and opffered their services and were very effective for thw gulf states that took them up on the offer but the USA was dead against that as it was noit compatible with their orders from moscow to deplete NATO inteceptor stocks, stall delivery of patriot ballistic interceptors [aid for by the EU for delivery to Ukraine, expend them on plywood drones and raise opil prices and find a way, any way to ignore the lindsey graham sanctions bill that was passed and drop oil sanctions on Russia. They are in a chain of command and have no choice but to obey orders. Russia comes first in magakremlin every time the USA or it's allies concerns are irrelevent.
smaller missiles>>65639833maybe some gunslinging parasite drones
I hope at least Moscow will consider widows benifiits for the US servicemn and women who died carrying out moscows orders. Without them oil sanctions would still be in full efffect on Russia, the linsey graham russia sanctions bill would be in effect and the US would have had to deliver the ballistic missile interceptors paid for by the EU NATO states for delivery to Ukraine. Pution should send the families a letter of condolance for their sacrifice.
>>65639833Technically a solvable issue if the flight control system could be tied into a temporary fire control override where the final pointing is done via sensors and then hands it back to the pilot to pull the fuck away from the debris cloud.Issue is developing something like this is more "costly" than just slapping APKWS pods on.
Emerson Turret for shooting the drones off axis
>boast about muh air power for decades>your fighters instantly run out of air-to-air missilessucks to suck, niggers, maybe you should've learned from ukies instead of dismissing their experience
>>65639902>Drones fly too low and slow to use it on them.
>>65639921Do you think planes carry as many missiles as you get in Ace Combat? Obviously a single F15 that also happens to be carrying JDAMs isn't going to be able to shoot down 80 drones.
>>65639819It works in Ace Combat but it's usually at something a little larger than an Iranian drone.Still totally worth it if there's even the slightest chance for the eternal bragging rights, though.>>65639929If your support crew isn't out there on the wing fitting new A2A/A2G AIM-9s mid-flight then what the fuck are you even paying them for?
>>65639929the point is that the military was unprepared for something which they could've and should've known about due to happenings in ukieland
>>65639856Is there some reason you couldn't have included that link in the OP? Some financial reason, perhaps amounting to 50¢?
>>65639937Are you retarded? All 80 drones were shot down. The pilots were just fucking around after they ran out of A2A missiles to see if JDAMs could actually work.
>>65639946Ah, the shitskin defense squad has arrived.
>>65639946this is why russian threads and posts always get deleted, you know. you guys bring this on yourselves.
>>65639953If you're retarded enough to unironically think that Ukrainians with US weapons can achieve a 100% interception rate against the very same drones while US with US weapons can't do the same I have a bridge to sell you.
>>65639952>russian threads and posts always get deletedIf only that were true>>65639950I don't for either muslim shitskins or cultural ones like Fagseth
>>65639956My retarded friend, a fuck ton of those drones in ukraine are shot down with non-US and even domestic weapons
>>65639958>Jerry rigged junk can shoot down drones while proper A2A missiles can't>Ukraine begging for US air defense missiles at every opportunityYou're actually retarded.
>>65639964ukies beg for conventional ground based air defense interceptors, specifically to shoot down ballistic missilesukies shoot down most of the drones using land-based primitive systems and simple counter-dronesyou have no idea what you're talking about because you're brown
>>65639979Ukies are begging for Patriots to shoot down ballistic missiles. They're also happy to receive anything else from NASAMS to Hawks to deal with drones. Just because some retard with 4 AKs on a quad mount can down a shasneed from time to time doesn't make it their preferred option.>you have no idea what you're talking about because you're brownNice try, Rajesh. Post hand with power socket
>>65639819It worked in the gulf war against a mi-24
>>65639873Jesus Christ you fell for that shit harder than Bull Halsey.
>>65639834>US MIC>cheapso, never
>>65639946>um ackshually they're lyingThe absolute state of iran shills
>>65640001One of them blew up some civvies in the continental US, another damaged a factory, but sure, just a psyop. The point here, my retarded friend, was that the original claim was the US has intercepted everything launched at it. And if even one single fucking pidgeon bomb or firecracker thrown across the border wasn't intercepted, the claim is just posturing bullshit. But you knew that already, just had to pretend to be a retard because its the only form of engagement left to you.
>>65639833And its whole 5 seconds of ammo?
>>65639902TwR > 1, just fly underneath it and point up, then use the gun. There, easy.
>>65639819Someone needs to develop a laser attack pod for fighters.
>>65639939im not op i just shared the link
>>65639819What happened to APKWS2?
>>65639819Why not an Osprey door gunner?
>>65639823not when you're using 400k a pop sidwinders and million dollar a pop amraams lol
>>65639819The US has succeeded with F-15s doing air-to-air bombing before
>>65639823not if the price ratios are 40k USD vs hundreds of thousands of USD. Or millions if the rumors are true the zuttslim idiots used patriots to shoot down some of the drones
>>65639884I think we will probably see an even cheaper per shot thing soon, some kind of laser/direct energy weapon that's effectively free to fire if it's, say, recharged on a nuclear aircraft carrier. I'd assume>Gun pod style laser weapon, but the laser can aim in an arc like >>65639918>"Ammo" is either a fat capacitor bank that's charged pre flight or, if it would be possible to do so, directly powered by the jet. I don't know much about jets but I suspect they probably don't have a shitload of extra electricity generaton just taking up space for no reason, so it would probably need to have something like a second pod for batteries/capacitors since I assume any weapon grade laser will need a LOT of juice to be fired more than a handful of times per sortie.
>>65639819Because OP is brown and seething
>>65639902>Did someone say low and slow gun run?
>>65639819>80 a2a missiles wasted on cheap drones>tries to jdam a goddamn drone>"The mission exposed a cost and capacity problem."Yeah no shit? Finally figuring out stuff that should have been blatantly obvious to everyone for years.C'mon america, stop being retarded and do cool america shit.
>>65640655Here's an idea: what about those laser guided hydra rockets, APKWS? Design a new cheaper seeker unit and now you can carry 7 or 19 or whatever per pylon instead of a single sidewinder
>>65640662I would say the gun is hilariously overkill, but actually, big ass bullets means you can very easily design "fragless explosive" rounds, and by that I mean "produces no lethal shrapnel outside X meters", probably by something like designing the shell to fragment super finely so it settles as dust instead of flying for miles as big shards of metal.Why would you need these silly bullets? Simple. Put a timed fuse set to detonate at X distance or a fancier one set to detonate at a set altitude in them and you now have a counter-UAS truck that can (mostly) safely magdump at it's targets even if they are over an area that otherwise you couldn't use cannons.
>>65639819Just mount as many gunpods as it allows. people do that for shits and giggles on War Thunder all the time.
>>65639833>runs out of ammo in 2 seconds
>>65640681https://theaviationist.com/2025/04/12/apkws-ii-infrared-seeker/You're a year and a bit late to them adding IR seekers so they're fire and forget instead of even needing constant lazing
>>65639819purpose built missiles, auto aiming guns or lasers
>>65640662You can't be slower than the drone, that's TOO stable a platform
>>65639819It's a drone not an Afghan wedding wtf lads
>>65640823>>65640148You don't hold down the trigger to empty the drum in a single burst, though.
>Be some Arab goat herder>Hut and harem gets hit by Shahed with 100lbs of explosives>Quickly followed by the pursuing JDAMNow that's a double tap!
>>65639884Unironically there should be some jet guided high altitude glide weapon that uses the kinetic energy to engage low velocity and altitude drones
>>65640931I'm getting mixed messages here.
>>65641135I can remember the name of it, but iornically don't the Iranians have something exactly like this that they've been using to disrupt or kill predator drones?
>>65641160>Weeks after Russia's invasionWarthogs would have made sense at the very start of the invasion but not now. 'Member the Convoy of Death?
>>65639886We should retrofit some old fighter jets to be purely anti drone (while we design a new aircraft from the ground up). Something with a very large payload of the new cheaper anti drone missiles.
why not use the gun?
>>65641174No, the iranians have a loitering ucav that shoots sams. The ukrainians and others are working on reusable ones that hit/knock them around with turbulence.
>>65641270AAMs*
>>65639884Apaches can be equipped with stingers, any reason you couldn’t just mount a rack of stingers on a fighter? The fighter’s speed would massively extend their range.
>>65641220APKWS already does the job and you can slap 42 of them on an F-15 while still being able to strap 8 proper A2A missiles on it. This is old news from last year.
>>65641676Laser guided though, you’d have to manually keep a designator on the drone while it’s moving.
>>65642179Old news again. There are already dual-seeker IR/laser APKWS.
kind of funny how this little guy is the 21st century's biggest disruptor to air power
>>65639819>a2a JDAMsI pull that shit in project wingman every playthrough, nothing gets me more erect than parking a massive ground bomb square on top of a big airship.
>>65642188>to air powerthose things are mostly a force mutliplier for infantry, acting as pocket reconones used for interdicting targets behind enemy lines in a manner similiar to infantry have actual engines and wings and are just budget cruise missiles
>>65640694Plastic or compressed metal frangible casing filled with HE and an induction programmed timer.Now where's my gorillion bucks from the DOD?
>>65640694>>65642296No seriously, pay up suckers, I just reinvented mine shells.
>>65639833A revolver or Gast gun would be perfect for this.Gatlings are for area targets, not for snap shooting at things that are small, fast, and maneuvering.
>>65639884>limiting factor>much lower cost>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_StatesRiddle me that limiting factor, I dare you.
>>65642188Tiny drones have done almost nothing in the iran war, when you hear drone it's almost the size of a small airplane but those get shot down by the dozens in every wave. Ballistic missiles did most of the damage and then not even enough to disrupt on the long term.
>>65642338nta, I do think that small drones played a role in the decision to not use ground forces at all
>>65642188sure if your air power is parked 100mi away. that thing isnt catching a jet in flight.
What about arming aircraft with multi barreled rotary shotguns. Use #1 buck or whatever. They can carry a stupid amount of ammo. And it's so much lighter and cheaper to make than 30mm
>>65639902>too slow to hit
>>65641174>I can remember the name of it, but iornically don't the Iranians have something exactly like this that they've been using to disrupt or kill predator drones?>>65641270>No, the iranians have a loitering ucav that shoots sams. The ukrainians and others are working on reusable ones that hit/knock them around with turbulence.No they have a loitering SAM powered by a small jet engine, its IR guided and is fired into a loitering pattern at high altitute, functioning as a kind of aerial mine. Its not that fast but fast enough to kill turboprop drones and subsonic jets that fly towards it. It was one of these that bagged that tanker shot down over Iraq.
>>65639828Not with AA missiles.
>>65639819Should have authorized the use of a genie.
Design some sort of unmanned Cessna 172 with an autocannon that can be shit out for dirt cheap and produce a shitload of them. Problem solved
>>65642188it isn't, you are retarded.
>>65639819they are so far behind russia and ukraine that its not even a joke and it will get worse considering that nothing get done cheaply in the mic
>>65642890American doctrine is based around fully collapsing enemy air defenses fast then bum rushing with combined arms and actually seizing ground, ig America had actually INVADED Iran, pushed inland and removed the IRGC from the coast, making them unable to set up launch sites or at least catching them earlier, it would have avoided this situation entirely, disregarding the fact that ground warfare vs fanatical Shiite sister fuckers would be very gruesome and slow, they wouldn't have gotten US forces aa locked down o a stagnant front as Russia is vs Ukraine due to that air power but also large scale logistics and Intel and recon supremacy. The fact that anyone thought this war could be won by an air campaign alone is so insanely retarded only a a techbro-neocon alliance in government could have attempted it.
>>65639834Already have
>>65642426If a drone moves too quickly it loses the ability to pull off fancy maneuvers.
>>65640863Why then are we having this conversation?
>>65640931That was the idea before sheeeit drones came into the picture
>>65643200Because you're posting in a bad faith thread
>>65642940>The fact that anyone thought this war could be won by an air campaign alone is so insanely retardedOnly because the win condition is "Iran can no longer fire a single drone/rocket in the general direction of the strait/Gulf countries". As long as some random cell with launchers and drones exists, you're never going to be able to "win", but it's clear that the air campaign itself has degraded Iran's offensive capabilities to near-impotence if you just compare what they were capable of doing at the beginning of the war and the present day.
>>65640680The fuck are you on about? They used expensive, massively over performing ordnance fired from the "oh fuck, the Soviets are catching up" plane to crush a much weaker buy annoyingly stubborn adversary, then proceeded to bomb aerial targets because they had to bomb SOMETHING while they were up there, obviously. This could only be more American if they launched from a Nuclear carrier, one of the pilots was a blonde woman with fake tits and all of them were belching the national anthem. Jesus, I need to go buy another cowboy hat, I can't ponder all that LIBERTY with a bare head.
>>65644583>expensive, massively over performing ordnanceThe funny thing is that we probably have more Sidewinders in stock than the total number of sneed drones Iran has ever produced.
>>65639895Man blueanon fanfiction is WILD.
>>65639921>us>lost nothing >ukraine>lost 1/3rd of their country and 250k men>expertise HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>65639944>we didn't need those air defense missiles anyway
>>65644647>>lost nothingso hows the war in iran going?
>>65644563everytime israel or usa attacks iran we hear the same bs slop >iran is degraded and shietzand then people realise that...they are not
>>65644563Well that's basically the crux of it, isn't it? The nature of the US aim here was that it was the kind of thing that could never be achieved exclusively from the air no matter how good a job the air campaign did. There's also never been any appetite for the ground presence that'd be needed for it.Iran knows this, and knows that the risk of a ground force is basically zero, hence the stalemate. They just need to preserve enough capacity to be a pain in the dick.The US can bomb the everloving fuck out of whatever they find, but it's never going to be quite enough or quite fast enough to fully remove the threat. And of course if the US tries to clean their hands of it now it'll be seen as Iran winning, or at least not losing, despite the massive materiel loss.It's a hell of a knot to try and get out of now, I do not envy the people in charge of trying to figure it out.
>>65644750Iran went from launching hundreds of drones and missiles to... maybe a couple a day that hit nothing. Even the Houthis are pulling more weight these days, which is saying something given that they're a proxy of Iran.>It's a hell of a knot to try and get out of now, I do not envy the people in charge of trying to figure it out.Correct, except that the objective was unachievable from the start even with a ground campaign. There are enough durka cells spread out across the country that can lob a drone or two every now and then, and the "strait is closed" so long as someone is capable of lobbing one in the general area whether they actually hit anything or not.The only way to win is not to play.
>>65644683Unironically, yes. The US has more AIM-9s than Iran has drones.
>>65644763Khakahakha...What a sick joke.All of that missile and yet they still can't stop iran from destroying thier airfileds and bases.
>>65644765Bases aren't lostech and can be rebuilt, Ivan.
>>65644767>can be rebuiltAnd how many years and billion dollars it will take?Also your inability to defend your own bases saying something about US comeptency.
>>65644780>Billions of dollarsMust suck having an economy that can't tank mere billions of dollars in losses, Ivan.
