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Back in WW2 the 88mm Flak which was an anti-aircraft gun was modified to be used as an anti-tank gun. With the proliferation of drones, would It be possible to modify a L55 120mm or even the L7 105mm gun into an anti-air/anti drone gun? This way tanks could defend against aerial threat all by themselves.
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>>65639840
the reason why AA guns were useful as AT guns is because the same traits that let it shoot down a heavy bomber, namely high muzzle velocity, are also what you need to penetrate armor

but thats not exactly a concern against drones, which tend to fly low and slow, so extreme muzzle velocity is not the highest priority
whats actually needed is fast traverse to snap to targets at any angle and radar capable of spotting class 1 UAVs
which is actually possible, russians have modified arena APS to successfully stop drone attacks, up to 15 drones per full ammo load
dedicated SHORAD uses a mix of autocannon fire and missiles, to hit both large and small drones
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>>65639843
They could still be useful for shooting down cruise missiles and OWA drones, for the same reason why in destroyers and frigates still carry a main gun for anti-air role
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>>65639862
the destroyers 5in gun fires way faster and is linked to a giant ship-sized fire control system that lets it lob shells out further
no way a self-propelled mount can mount that, hence why they all use missiles or cannons instead

shooting down cruise missiles is done with counter-missiles for a reason
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Artillery guns would be much easier to convert since many have automatic loading systems and they have the traverse and elevation
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IMO any and all halfway suitable guns (mortars are probably out) need to be adapted to fend off drones. Tanks guns and artillery are probably unsuited for close range defence, but they could do it at longer range. Tank guns especially have fast projectiles that could use proximity fuses or something of the sort. The targetting data could come from your own drones, no need to even have line of sight.
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>>65639840
>high velocity gun used to shoot straight up at bombers 15,000ft above or higher
>high velocity makes a good anti-tank gun

Drones fly low and slow nigger, the 88 is the opposite of what you'd want.
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>>65640218
>Can hit a target that flies high and fast
>Can't hit a target a flying target that flies slower
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>>65640225
Drones are also great at evasion, much better than planes.
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>>65640229
And AA guns have huge splash radiuses due to their diameter and amount of shrapnel each shell It can carry. One shell could take out a swarm on Its own while in WW2 It could only take out one plane
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>>65640235
>One shell could take out a swarm on Its own
Eh, I don't know. Swarms could be quite spread out. But better splash does mean higher chance of kill.
Of course, in the end the question is, is a shell actually a better and cheaper killer of a drone than another drone.
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>>65639865
If the ships radar can lock onto the missile, the cannon can be used to engage it with HE-VT
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>>65639840
>>65640201
The US army is looking into this with the Multi-Domain Artillery Cannon System
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>>65640201
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>>65640658
They were on to something, but the specifics of that system could not be sufficiently navalized, and the recoil could have damaged the framing.

That being said, the other way around might be a good idea.
Stick a naval 76 mm onto a PzH chassis, and you have a mobile AA gun that should be able to delete whatever comes flying.

inb4 'muh fpvs'
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>>65640854
Neverbeendonebefo.
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>>65642328
Why nobody is trying to bring them back? With the proliferation of OWA drones being used to strike cities, 76mm rounds would be much cheaper and plentiful than SAMs
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>>65640235
>use wide-radius airburst rounds to protect infantry from FPV drones at close range
I can see a slight problem with this arrangement.
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Did someone just say "Otomatic"?

'cause I think I just heard someone say "Otomatic".
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>>65643314
Maybe the infantry would be riding inside APCs and IFVs while under the "cover" of these new SPAAGs and tanks?
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>>65643322
>>65642328
A modernized version could have AESA arrays
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>>65643314
Make the infantry less weak by removing woke agenda, introduce test-injections and struggle-sessions
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>>65640235
We need to pump that lethal radius up!
No half measures!
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>>65639862
>main gun for anti-air role
yeah about that
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>>65645994
>He doesn't know
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>>65643322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLWTIlnOIRo
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>>65643322
>>65644704
Is (pic rel), but equipped with modern radar and guidance computers the answer to defeating enemies that spam fuckloads of sahed-style cheapo drones and bargain bin cruise missiles?
Hell, you could even slap one of those fancy radio-programming muzzle devices on one of these things if you wanted to run programmable airburst rounds.
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>>65639840
>Back in WW2
88s were last in service as recently as the Vietnam war when the North was given a bunch that the USSR had in storage.
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While it would likely be possible to intercept a Shahed, there is a risk that the situation could quickly become unmanageable if drones capable of subsonic cruising or flight in the sub-stratosphere were deployed.
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>>65639843
AA guns being used as AT guns was a money-saving measure. The Wehrmacht hated the 8,8cm Flak and asked for the 7,5cm Pak whenever they could.
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>>65643322
I mean, jsut do that with a bunch of Leo2 chassis.
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The USSR really dropped the ball and fucked up with the KS-19. They could have had 50+ years of development but they had to be idiots and ignore it.
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>>65648514
>AA guns being used as AT guns was a money-saving measure
not specifically
the 88mm was designed for AA purposes, they realized that its high muzzle velocity would be really good for AT, so they slipped AP shells and cross-trained the crews for both AT and AA duty

the 75mm was replacing the 5cm, not the 88mm, with 75s organic to infantry AT units while the 88mm was a corp level asset
so the units never had any 88s to replace in the first place, corp-level command would assign 88s to cover areas that needed additional firepower when they werent needed for AA
the 75 ended up replacing the 5cm because the 5cm was already struggling to defeat T-34s, while the 5cm replaced the 37mm because the 37mm was totally useless but they still needed a gun that didnt use up their increasingly short-supplied trucks to move around
88s were supplemented, but not replaced, by 128mm guns and purpose-built 88s on AT chassis
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>>65648

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KS-19570
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>>65648576
‽

Did i quote a deleted post?
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>>65639840
You're on to something, actually. BAE and the US Army are developing a guided projectile that will allow 155mm howitzers like the Paladin to intercept cruise and ballistic missiles as well as large drones line Shaheds. Presumably it could be effective against nearby aircraft as well. There is a version of the same projectile designed for 5" naval guns as well, but I don't know if it would be possible to fit in a slightly smaller 120mm gun.
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>>65648582
You deleted part of the post number you replied to.
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>>65648589
>>65648582
Oh, actually you pasted your link into the middle of the post number.
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>>65648590
>>65648589
I think i quoted a deleted post, my bad.

Here, have some Nork pop, girl with the red base is my Nork pop fu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQotKoEBjyk
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>>65648595
You quoted this post >>65648570 but pasted your wiki link between the 8 and the 5. It broke the link to the post as well as the wiki link.
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>>65648608
I honestly don't care, i'm past 4chan formatting shitposts, at least the Norks use humans for this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxcJW6bs5os



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