>>65640322
They're up against Haiti so it should be a hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby situation. For real though they're apparently pretty good at counterterror and gang suppression so things might get interesting.

>>65640322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faw56WrC9nA

Is this actually happening?

>>65640322
>stolen evil kraut aesthetics
>natural Latin flamboyance
>self aware indulgence of the banana republic image
>absolute confidence to pull it off
If the US Army tried something like this it'd be laughed at but that shit is so fire

>>65640322
Bukele is a president with monarch energy (zero fear + aristocracy tacticool aesthetic). Too bad my shithole is now in the exact opposite direction.
Fuck.

>>65640340
~2.5k troops have been there for a week. THey got to the site of the burned out truck and found no bodies. They killed the leader of a lesser gang a day or two ago. Is it a massive invasion force that is going to conquer the nation? No. Will it lead to an actual improvement of the longterm prospects of Haiti? Time will tell.
Personally, I have my doubts. Not because of El Salvadore, but because I believe that no intervention no matter how perfect can right a nation if the people are not prepared to step up.

>>65640471
Its not being heavily reported but how do you think El Salvadore is getting all their men, equipment, and supplies to Haiti?
The US is behind the scenes backing this play and is thrilled to not have to be the spokesperson/posterchild for once, knowing all the political baggage they would have to bring.

>>65640486
>Too bad my shithole is now in the exact opposite direction.
>t. Guatemalan

>>65640471
>Gay ARs
FUCKING NIGGERS CAN'T EVEN GET A FUCKING MAUSER TO DO IT RIGHT AAAAAAAAAA

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>>65640322
>does nothing
>wins

>>65640322

Probably on the level of the Indian army, but any country in the world could steamroll Haiti

>>65640621

>how do you think El Salvadore is getting all their men, equipment, and supplies to Haiti?

By boat, Haiti isn’t even a country, it’s a tribal island with groups of a few dozen or at most a few hundred killing each other endlessly, you can do whatever you want.

Otherwise I wonder why he’s doing this, it would be funny if he wanted to create a colonial empire.

>>65640322
their grunts don't have hearing protection but they have helmets designed to have it. they should have just ordered helmets that cover the ears if they weren't going to issue them with ear defenders.

>>65640902
>By boat, Haiti isn’t even a country, it’s a tribal island
Please look at a map before you post again.

>>65640902
Haiti has a population of 11 million and is not an island, it is on an island, but is not one. El Salvador has no significant airlift or sealift capacity.

>>65640322
They managed to actually round up all their own evil street scum, so I'd say that's a sign of good competence there, and the scum in Haiti aren't really on a much better level, so I expect them to be able to perform about as well.

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if the Kenyans couldn't do it nobody can

>>65640340
They already ack'd 1 or more leaders of smaller gangs and the gang leader that was showing off his boys and their gear supposedly put out a "please don't kill me. I was playing pretend because it was cool" video.

>>65640617
Yeah, like Afghanistan, no real way to build up a place like that as a nation considering how the people there have no will or drive to do it.
Whacking a bunch of the gang lords in Haiti will probably make Haiti momentarily better, but I don't see Haiti becoming a healthy nation because of it, they don't have what El Salvador themselves have.

>>65640633
I think the El Salvadorean army is still rocking a lot of stock old M16A2s, so there's still that.

>>65640867
Nah, not THAT poor.

>>65640902
The official pretext is that the Haitians merked some El Salvadorean U.N Peacekeepers or something and that Bukele is pissed as fuck, which sounds fair enough to me.

>>65640992
In Salvadore it was easy because the gang culture and general impunity made getting extremely visible gang tattoos pretty much obligatory, so there was a clear indicators with low false positive. No such thing in Haiti.

its a pointless exercise. you can kill as many gang leaders as you want but unless the society changes after (it wont) the vacuum will just allow a new gang generation to take over when they leave. the French tired it, the Brazilians tried it, the Kenyans tried it, not El Salvador. fucking dumb

>>65641039
This.

Only three solutions exist
>Systemic execution of all the population (effective at preventing crimes but inacceptable politically)
>First world superpower deciding to shoulder the responsibility of tard wrangling 10+ millions people and creating a brutal authoritarian regime with almost no personal liberty until the first state-raised generation is old enough to keep the machine running (will never happens because it’s slow and there are literally only downsides for the political leader signing in on this and all the leaders deciding to keep it going)
>Break up the troublemaker and endeavors to organise the total exodus of every haitian to all around the globe, removing the very concept of Haiti as a nation (works face but lol, lmao, never gonna happens)

>>65641039
They're focusing on killing the gang members, not the leaders
Or atleast that is what Erik Prince is doing, idk about ep salvador, I assume they'll be working together in some way

>>65641053
won't work either, the reality is that the risk of death is not a sufficient deterrent to many Haitians than living a life of absolute destitution

>>65641053
>Or atleast that is what Erik Prince is doing,
Is he? Feels like EP has been there for well over a year now and he's just basically sat on his ass.

>>65640322
His uniform is so shit holy fuck, a plain dress uniform with no medals and rank would have been miles better than this pharmacist clerk jacket.

>>65641065
They've made progress, but not as much as he projected

>>65640997
Can there possibly be more action in one image?

>>65641077
Nah, he's aura farming. And his wife has big tits.

>>65641007
Does Bukele not know that it's their culture to do that? This seems a little imperialistic, racist and bigoted. Getting a yikes from me desu.

>>65641052
>Systemic execution of all the population
Just stop sending food and fertilizer.

>>65641173
If you do that, you better build a bigger wall on the border with Dominican Republic

>>65641053
>>65641083
This anon has watched a yt video and is blindly parrotting what it said.

>>65641007
>Yeah, like Afghanistan, no real way to build up a place like that as a nation considering how the people there have no will or drive to do it.
The #1 problem with afganistan was that it was run with little consideration of making it something that would mobilize the population against the Taliban. And there were a lot of people who were and are anti-taliban.

A more effective strategy would've been ground-up, supporting and training local militias with a small commando-style ANA to back them up with professionality and air support. But this would have to go hand-in-hand with a ground-up view towards the entire project, which really wasn't there.

>>65641192
Do you disagree?

>>65640902
>By boat
No. The US military is actually handling nearly all the transport/logistics. There is even some evidence that they are providing equipment (helicopters) and supplies themselves. The fact of the matter is that the USA is soft bankrolling this operation and there is no way it would be happening without the head nod from Uncle Sam.
>with groups of a few dozen or at most a few hundred killing each other endlessly
Except when facing an external threat when they then largely unify.
The biggest issue is that this is gonna have to be house to house urban warfare with a lot of civillian collateral and that entails a metric ton of geopolitical fallout and most first-world nations get put under a microscope for shit like that. Its why the UN was trying to push Kenya to spearhead it this time around.
>Otherwise I wonder why he’s doing this
They kidnapped/killed citizens of his country and his public image is as an anti-gang strongman. If he didn't go hard it would be a severe blow to his political career. What is more, if he can be (relatively) successful here then he can show his approach can be exported and set both himself and his nation to make a lot of money and garner a lot of influence.
>it would be funny if he wanted to create a colonial empire.
Doubtful

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>>65640633
they were acquired by theinmetall
besides anyone would take an israeli gun over german gun any day

>>65641209
>that entails a metric ton of geopolitical fallout and most first-world nations get put under a microscope for shit like that
Not under current circumstances, there is too much going on in the world for Haiti to be a focus

>>65641208
I don't know. I also just saw the video and am not so insecure as to try and claim like I already had looked into all of this and know it to be true. The truth is that a yter said something and that is all the poster (you?) was going on without putting even the smallest bit of their own due diligence into. My post is there to point out that this is info that has no degree of confidence.

>>65641216
>Not under current circumstances
You are delusional. How much negative PR was it and how much did it effect the tempo of operations when the US (allegedly) bombed that girl's school? How much blowback has Israel gotten from the shit in Gaza?

>>65641212
Reminds me of the recruitment commercials from the mid 00s

>>65641223
not much israel won in gaza most of the gazan rocket fire was the first month

>>65641227
You need to go back and reread what this conversation is about if you think this was discussing the Gazans firing rockets into Israel.

>>65640322
Do Salvadoran girls shave?

>>65641065
>Feels like EP has been there for well over a year now and he's just basically sat on his ass
That's just admitting that you don't know what he's doing (if anything).

Lack of news doesn't imply that nothing is happening, the truth is that we have no data on his activities.

>>65641237
Not him but they have droned a thousand and a half gangsters and done air transport for raids. I would say important but not groundshattering. Clearly what Haiti needs is more boots on the ground and it looks like Bukele has decided to provide.

>>65641219
I'm pretty sure I heard the same from a CNN video

>>65641223
That's because that was America and Iran has a pretty large propaganda apparatus
Nobody cares if thirdies are allegedly killing Haitians
Hell, Erik Prince has droned a few dozen civilians in Haiti and nobody really cares

>>65641237
They've only sent out 2k fpv drone strikes in a year, some successful some not. He's barely doing anything while collecting his checks from the US government. Erik Prince even said that he wasn't going to strike gang leaders until he got confronted about it fairly recently. If EP actually wanted to do something he'd send out FPVs at a rate that'd be relatively equivalent to the Ukrainian frontlines.

>>65641256
Oh well, if a random anon thinks they MIGHT have heard it, then I'm sure I can just take it as solid.

>>65641266
>Nobody cares if thirdies are allegedly killing Haitians
This is EXACTLY my point. GO BACK AND REREAD!

>>65641276
Oops

>>65641283
It happens. Thanks for reviewing instead of tripling down.

>>65641251
Honestly, I just expect that El Salvador will wafflestomp a bunch of local warlords until they feel they have gotten enough vengeance, then they'll go home. No sense wasting time trying to do anything further with Haiti, they have their own country to focus on.

>>65641313
If they can reasonably say they "restablished order" then they will call it a win and go home. Now whether or not that actually bears fruit once they are gone is a totally different matter.

>>65641275
It is pretty much exactly what was said

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>>65640322
Just like in my Japan vidya games

>>65640322
capes are so cool

>>65640322
Terrible salute. Straighten up that wrist.

>>65641318
that's not their stated mission. They're there to find the missing 4 Salvadorians and get the fuck out

>>65641384
I'm honestly expecting that they're gonna find skeletal remains of them at best, these are not civilized peoples they're dealing with by any stretch of the imagination.

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>>65640997
>Kenyans
Honestly speaking I had high faith in them, I thought that this army is one of those who can do shit in Africa.

>>65641410
>I thought that this army is one of those who can do shit in Africa
Pretty sure the Kenyan military was viewed as being notoriously bad at everything they do before they got sent over to Haiti. Only reason they went over was to get closer ties to US military for free military aid gibs.
>Honestly speaking I had high faith in them
Sadly no one bothered to fund the mission and the fact that the stated goal was "Stabilize this shithole" meant that it was doomed to fail from its very conception.

>>65641436
IIRC, the UN went "Can someone PLEASE volunteer for the Haiti thing?" and Kenya went "Sure, but you have to pay us." Don't blame them.

>>65641436
>>65641447
If you have a shit army, a livefire exercise isn't terrible for building experience and identifying competency in your officers, provided you can get someone else to foot the bill.

>>65641410
the UN has and will not provide enough reosurces or support to actually stabilize the entire country. killings are down from their max, which is good, but nothing miraculous was going to happen.

>>65641452
That's true. That's why every other army here in Europe was gung-ho to send some dudes for Iraq and Afghanistan back in the day, can't beat actual field experience, proper war veterans help train the other soldiers better when they come home.

>>65641052
>Break up the troublemaker and endeavors to organise the total exodus of every haitian to all around the globe, removing the very concept of Haiti as a nation

If you did a referendum with all haitians telling them they get to live normal lives without all the violence and shit but have to give up their country, i feel like a big chunk might go for it.

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>>65641236
God I hope not.

>>65641224
Same. We used to be so badass 20 years ago.
Now it is just a bunch of gay communist bullshit.

>>65641510
The military has become nothing more than a "give up 4 years, get 100% disability for life" plan.
Honestly I'm considering it, I'm 35 and have no prospects, the wear and tear of 4 years at my age ought to do it. Retired at 40 lol

>>65641518
>get 100% disability for life
Lol, they're cracking down on retards like this

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>>65641236
No, I was assured of this.

>>65641335
Then link it. If you really want to convince anyone of anything I can think of no other reason you keep posting about it rather than just posting it directly and having an end of this. Well, other than it doesn't exactly say what you are claiming and you are trying to obsfucate that. But, anon would never do that, would they?

>>65641384
Huh, I seem to recall differently. Let's go to the man himself and see what he said.
>That is why, today, we have launched a military operation to rescue them. We have a single objective: to bring our four compatriots back home alive, without any harm.
Well, yeah, that pretty much directly lines up with what you said. I better just check what he says immediately after that so I'm sure of the context.
>However, I want you, the gang leaders, to understand one thing very clearly: today's attack is nothing compared to what is coming if we do not get all four hostages back alive.
>And do not take our word for empty threats. We have already finished with the gangs in El Salvador, and we can finish with you too.
Oh wow, it actually looks like unless they get all 4 men back alive that things are going to involve a whole lot more operations in Haiti.
What do you imagine are the chances that all 4 men are still alive despite it being over a week and there being zero signal from anyone that they are alive?

>>65641410
They never got the funding they upfront said they would need to do the mission. Which is why most of the promised troops from Kenya never arrived. The nations of the world with pockets are tired of throwing money away into the blackhole that is Haiti.

>>65641518
I considered joining one of the JAG corps after law school 10 years ago, but I'm probably too old for half of the branches at this point.
I know Air Force JAG cuts off at 35. I'm 37.
I also have a dog and mortgage to worry about.

>>65641410
Literally nobody from Africa can do anything competently. Why can't people understand this.

>>65641701
>I also have a dog and mortgage to worry about.
Yeah don't give up an actual grown up life for the military.

>>65641703
>Why can't people understand this.
They are the same kind of people that think pit bulls are good dogs "if you raise 'em right."

>>65641706
Yeah, that's what I thought.
My state's national guard sent out emails trying to recruit people to be JAG lawyers like a year ago.
I didn't want to take a chance of being federalized and sent overseas and/or dying in WWIII when that will pop off.
And that's on top of having to deal with everything else already.
Oh well. I'm old enough where I could have chose to go Iraq/Afghanistan after highschool. I'm glad I didn't. College sucked, but I don't think I missed out on anything positive.

>>65641157
A latino doesn't think that way, because of their spaniard ascendancy all latinos are crypto universalists and know with time, on a generational scale, a culture can change, unlike anglos who think it's all about rules to ensure prosperity (plunder), a latino such as a salvadoreño would wholeheartedly believe he is fighting to bring civilization to Haiti. This is alien to ghe viking mentality of anglos.

>>65640902
It doesn't matter even if hati was entirely uninhabited. It might as well be the moon as far as El Salvador's logistics tail alone is concerned.

>>65640617
>I believe that no intervention no matter how perfect can right a nation if the people are not prepared to step up.
this, uplifting is doomed to failure if you have to drag them the entire way across the finish line and that amount of dragging certainly will not be accomplished with 2500 troops, the logistical train of which is going to start being felt in the near future

>>65641881
This post smells like tortillas

>>65641881
Yes, an Anglo would know absolutely nothing about trying to civilise the world’s savages. It’s not like they built history’s biggest empire trying to do just that.

>>65641881
snrk

>>65641703
>Literally nobody from Africa can do anything competently
Africa is a continent, not a people.
There are competent (albeit not rich) nations scattered around the continent.

>>65641881
>anglos who think it's all about rules to ensure prosperity (plunder),
>>65642182
>an Anglo would know absolutely nothing about trying to civilise the world’s savages
These two ideas aren't incompatible (even with the second being obvious sarcasm).

Anglos did go around trying to civilise the natives but they were doing it to maximise wealth extraction from the colonies and convert them into a wage-based slave state that would peacefully sit there funnelling their resources to England and pacifying their own population without Redcoat intervention every few years.

When your agenda is so blatant and so corrupt, it's going to be hard to get anything good out of it.
At best you accustom them to bureaucracy and train them to stand in queues.

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>>65641703
>Literally nobody from Africa can do anything competently.
Wrong.

Additionally I would add Rwanda to that by avoiding total genocide and making their own bitch out of Congo

>>65641410
They could have done something if they were allowed to. Meanwhile, those Salvadorian fucks don't give a shit and just came trampling in.

>>65641703
Prussia of Africa says Gott mit uns an Shiet.

>>65640617
>Will it lead to an actual improvement of the longterm prospects of Haiti?
Only if they kill all the Haitians.

>>65641361
aura

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>>65640322
Given his age, what are the odds that Bukele is intentionally modeling himself and his regime on this charming gentleman?

>>65640617
>Personally, I have my doubts. Not because of El Salvadore, but because I believe that no intervention no matter how perfect can right a nation if the people are not prepared to step up.
There's a lot of people who really hate the gangs but empowering them and making sure they don't just devolve into turf war militants or cyclical revenge killers is the hard part.

>>65644276
Odds are decent but he knows deep down his kingdom is broke, dumb, and brown

>>65640902
How long do you think it takes a boat to get from El Salvador to Haiti?

>>65644276
Unlikely, I think he probably understands both the capabilities of his own nation, and also the capabilities of Haiti (ergo, barely fuckall). Empire building is fucking hard, and you really want a lot more strength at home first, not just military, but economical and industrial.

Secondly, someone who steps out of conventional lines to do what's both so radical yet also so absolutely necessary for his suffering country as he did, probably actually has a good bit of clarity of mind. That wasn't some harebrained schizo stunt by a deluded tinpot dictator, he recognized that the bleeding heart liberals are actually fucking retarded and that they needed to do something for real, and got to work on it.

It would be worth putting him on their money one day though, milestone leadership for the country for sure.

>>65644309
Essentially, you'd be tasking El Salvador with policing Haiti from now on, which is something I don't think there's the economy nor willpower for them to do for any longer period of time. Not at their current stage.

You know, I wonder if a side-motive for this intervention is to make sure that El Salvador's military has some actual hardcore experience fighting Mad Max/Hokuto No Ken tier gangs and warlords, just to be sure they'd be prepared in case CECOT ever went south?

>>65644276
i really hate gen z niggas and their pointless references. up next you'll be talking about dumbledore's army

>>65644562
He's probably a millennial or gen-x'er, most zoomers probably dgaf about old movies.

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>>65644595

>>65644605
Kino

>>65640322
Reminder that anons were unironically arguing that El Salvador was going to meet its match with the Haitian gangs
Probably Europeans posting that shit

Thread theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZbg0j_LHkw

Haiti has cracked the secret to becoming unconquerable. El Salvador may kill some gang leaders, but it will change nothing! Haïti insoumissible!

>>65644677
How to be unconquerable:
>be a shithole nobody wants to conquer in the first place

>>65644709
In Bukele's case, it's because he's unironically a dictator, so he relies on his military for political support. His brand is anti-gang violence, and he at least tries to be benevolent, so drip out your army as a symbol of national strength and pride because they're the ones delivering on your message of "murder all the murderers."

Other benevolent dictators also had pretty cool uniforms: Ataturk, Frederick. Both Caesar and Sulla made sure their men were well-equipped relative to other armies in Rome.

>>65644719
Mussolini and Hitler too.

>>65644709
>Why do third world countries have better uniforms ?
Are you asking why less free, less rich, and less powerful countries focus on optics and propaganda over capabilities and functionality?
May as well ask why dictators don't have effective armies, you know it's the same question.

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>>65640322
>>65641361
>>65644651

Bukele confirmed for Ace Combat fan

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>>65640340
Celebrating launch of Ace Combat 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1fRW6NSLqM

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>>65640322
>>65644918
>>65644937

Actually it's the other way around. The Sotoan uniforms were inspired by the Salvadoran uniforms. Latinos have come full circle from being weeb chuds to inspiring chud Jap media.

>>65644918
>Bukele confirmed for Ace Combat fan
Capes and riding boots seem ill-suited to a cockpit.
Which makes me wonder, what is the role of footwear in pilot kit?
I know 'nam helo pilots were often barefoot or in flip-flops but they're weirdos anyway, what do fixed wing pilots like to wear on their feet?

>>65644937
Is that actually the real dress uniform?

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>>65644958
>Is that actually the real dress uniform?
That video in >>65644937 is not AI, that's a real video of Bukele opening/dedicating a museum/mausoleum to some historical figure who he had dug up, stuffed in an urn and placed in a sarcophagus that he put the sword on top of.
It's extremely unclear whether the remains are actually the dude, because they got fucked with centuries ago by invaders who didn't like him. Nobody's talking about that though.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/09/world/americas/nayib-bukele-francisco-morazan-el-salvador.html

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>>65644957
They're not wearing dress uniforms while flying

>>65644976
They are retard, the capes are basically wing suits so they can bail from the plane

>>65644987
>Sotoans
>Bailing out
Anon they would prefer to boil alive to keep up their LARP.

I have no doubt that el salvador will be successful as long as they keep their operation limited and ultimately it'll give their military real world experience.

but, this
>>65644677
>>65644715
haiti doesnt have any "Centers of Gravity" to control and if you tried to build ones they would be torn down for scrap or neglected as soon as you handed them over.

on top of that haiti is doing that thing all niggernations do where you roll in and they dance and cheer and way flags and tell you that you freed them. then as soon as you stop giving them gibs and eventual leave, they go right back to acting like niggers again

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>>65644993
>>65644987

When I was struck by an AMRAAM I was made to see the light and glory of the sky and made peace with the brightness of infinity, when my warhorse descended I paid homage to her death and felt guilt as I descended to the steppe again safe and alive. That glory I saw through fire of burning aluminum was my virtuous rebirth as an archer riding a wild horse that was the spirit of the sky itself. My skin burned true to a third degree was made tempered and anew as an armored flesh calloused against the softness of the invaders; now I am ready for an end by the blue sky and it's unknowing swarm and my knighthood will be immortal, burned into the mountain by my morals and the casualty of those who fall in my ascent.

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>>65645012
Hot stuff!

>>65640997
How? Ken'ia they tried harder?

>>65644553
Experience is always welcome- its a deterrent AND gives his troops an enemy to fight, distracting them from thoughts of sabotaging CECOT.

>>65644648
European here, that sounds completely fucking deluded. The El Salvadorans already rounded up all of their hardcore gang members, I imagine their military can probably go and stomp even less intelligent ones in the feeble shithole that is Haiti.

I can only imagine that a person who cheers on Haiti in this equation is some sort of communist retard or other "global south" cheerleader.

>>65644677
If you're just this loose and disorganized shithole which only has squalor and basically tribal warlords to offer, then yeah, I imagine that nobody will try to bother taking your country.

>>65645817
Why would anyone but an actual deranged psychopath want that? It's objectively made the country a far better place for everyone who isn't a deranged psychopath.

>>65646234
>If you're just this loose and disorganized shithole which only has squalor and basically tribal warlords to offer, then yeah, I imagine that nobody will try to bother taking your country.
If a gas field were discovered in the Carribean Sea, watch that change *really* quickly.

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there is a potential for non shithole central america

>>65641313
Don't you get the feeling they're auditioning?

>>65640322
Tropico-ass presidente

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>>65640322
VIVIMOS Y MORIMOS POR TUS ORDENES JEFE

looks like central america is in play

>>65648008
>looks like central america is in play
I'm waiting for Russia to start arming Haitian gangsters so that this can reach a fourth theatre (after ME and Africa) and once China does the funny across the strait, we'll have a true world war.