It has been 6 years since Armenia was BTFO by tactical drones. Do you think this served as a lesson for other countries?
>>65642831That whole war proved that CSTOtrannies are useless.
>>65642831Should have been a huge warning to Russia
>>65643744Prior to that, Turkey bombed the shit out of Russian close allies in Syria with drones in spring of 2020. Russia didn't take any lessons
Always sits in the back of my mind that Israel sold those drones to a Muslim nation just to massacre Armenian Christians. And almost no one cared...
>>65642831it should have, but at the time it didn't seem to get much attention. i think everyone thought it was just rich Azeri using their stuff well vs poor Armenians who didn't know what was going on. hindsight and whatnot...
>>65647191Those drones were available for Armenia to buy, they just thought Russia would save them.
I think Armenia is an example in the blindness of nationalism. They managed to seize Nagorno-Karabakh in the 90s but never managed to get it internationally accepted. Azeribaijani oil wealth together with Russia´s decline and Turkeys ascendance meant that this arrangement was always temporary.They should have taken the opportunity to negotiate for autonomy of NK together with guarantees from other nations to create a more lasting solution with their advantage. Now NK got cleansed and Armenia might be pressed for more now that Russia is going down the drain and Iran is unable be a counterweight to Turkish influence. Blame the politicians or the populace´s nationalist fervour, even as their forces got destroyed in the war the prime minister almost got lynched for signing a truce.Now that its got cleansed twice of both ethnicities I say they should just make into a nature reserve.
>>65647230not only was Armenia dumb but the Azeries played and are playing the game very well.they are very active in Europe to get connections and shape elite perception in order to prevent a successful Armenian re-alignment
System of a Down only confirmed my previous bias that Armenians deserved everything that happened to them and I am very supportive of Azerbaijan in their goal of wiping off the Armenian scum from ArtsahkThat's what you get for making SHIT metal kek!
>>65647191It’s their fault for acting like a Caucasian version of Serbia.
>>65647249If you claim to be a Christian man, and you openly choose to side with Muslims. You are a traitor and should be forced to live with the Muslims. If you are not a Christian man, you should renounce your degenerate and filthy ways and convert.
I remember the big thing everyone talked about at the time was how they used Syrians and Africans as canon fodder mercs for clearing minefields and human waves. It was and still is grim but also telling how ineffective it is with nobody able to come up with an effective use yet.
>>65647191The branch of Islam in Azerbaijan is already considered blasphemous by many other Muslims. Either way, the country has been ruled by a fairly secular, nationalist dictatorship that outright banned the hijab, yet people were talking about it as if it were Pakistan
>>65647294nta but don't do the religious LARP. we're on 4chan, none of us are good Christians, Muslims, or Pagans if we're here
>>65647230They did nearly have a peace deal but Russia always made sure that it didn't go ahead.
>>65644679??? fsa was boxed into idlib in 2020. the end of isis and the peace between the kurds and the saa allowed the saa to fully concentrate on the fsa. they were close to getting defeated. the turks had to fully step in to keep them from getting wiped. and the turks lost a bunch of bayraktars to fucking pantsirs of all things. the russians probably took the lesson that drones arent as big of a threat.
>>65647303If they do not believe that Jesus is our Lord and savior. Then it does not matter how "secular" they are >>65647310Speak for yourself. Some of us have self control and do everything possible to not give into temptation to commit sin. And when I fail, you bet my butt is seeking reconciliation.
>>65647294Armenians fucked aroundArmenians found outVery simple. Religion had no place in their military humiliation. What did factor in is their refusal to modernize to the extent that Azerbaijan had and over reliance on Russia / CSTO for defense.
>>65647351azerbaijan just had a much higher defense budget and turkeys help, russia was probably already preparing for the ukraine war and didnt want a 2 front war so they threw the armenians under the bus. they could have easily sent the entire z task force to armenia and blocked the whole azerbaijani offensive, but then they would have had to postpone the attack on ukraine.
>>65647382>Alienate key ally in a region, shirk defense treaty obligations, and side step a very much winnable war in favor of a forever meat grinder SPECIAL OPERATION with a country you directly border with very few assistance from traditional alliesVery smart!
>>65647382and now russia needs azerbaijan and turkey to get its gas out to the world market. without turkstream and the pipeline to azerbaijan russia would lose its only remaining pipeline to get natural gas to europe. putin probably knew this back then already, so he wanted a friendly turkey and azerbaijan as a backup in case the ukraine war went badly. the armenians are a victim of geopolitical circumstance mostly.
>>65647191I mean Jews hate Christians so it's a win-win for them
>>65642831Why is he standing on an LGBTQ+ flag?
>>65647382Is this the alternate timeline where Turkey gets F-35s instead of S-400s?
>Armenia betrays Russia for France >Russia pulls back support as Armenia moves towards the West>Azerbaijan invades>Armenia asks France for support >France ignores them100% Armenia's fault
>>65642831Idk about countries, but it served as a lesson for all the academics and retirees writing about drones. At the time it was famous; because previously only actual soldiers and a few hobbyists knew about quadcopters from the GWOT. The popular image of drones was Reapers/Predators the size of a manned plane at 20k altitude.
>>65647448>The popular image of drones was Reapers/Predators the size of a manned plane at 20k altitude.well armenia got fucked by exactly that, it was bayraktars ripping the armenians apart, so basically predators, but these drones are borderline useless right now in ukraine and iran. so what lesson was there to learn?
>>65647457The lesson was 'wow drones are Officially Real(tm) and now the enemy can see us westerners' backlines too'. It was a preview of the modern gray zone. Yes, online nerds and real grunts and video gamers knew that already, but the boomer in a suit didn't.
>>65647421>retarded fantasy version of eventswhat actually happened is that russia pussied out like little bitches because they're not a great power and cannot actually defend any country in their garbage imitation of NATO lmao.
>>65647470And if you didn't know, the Azerbaijan/Armenia area - renamed - is one of the standard American military theoretical training maps. So every NATO military officer over a certain rank was seeing the scenario they'd spent their early and mid careers training on get played out in real life, where they could make a one to one comparison between what they thought would happen, what the official expectations said would happen, and what actually did happen.7 Seconds to Die: A Military Analysis of the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War and the Future of Warfighting is a quick read if you want to get the sane-but-boomerized take from that group of people about it.
>>65647485that book was written by an american colonel. so a guy who probably cant speak armenian, cant speak azeri, has never served in either military and who i assume wasnt there when the war happened and presumably also didnt have access to either armenian or azeri high command. no offense, but this is not very useful.
>>65647506If you want to know what NATO thought about it, now you do. Don't seethe because I'm the first one to give you a real answer.
>>65647517what were his sources even? i highly doubt azeris or armenians gave him deep intel.
>>65647322turkish drones destroyed more than a hundred SAA/Russian armor in a very short span of time, forcing SAA/Russia to halt their advance. Turkey lost a few tactical drones, SAA/Russia lost their entire offensive capabilities. It was a blow, leading to complete defeat of Assad and Russiahttps://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/02/the-idlib-turkey-shoot-destruction-and.html
One of the very first documented use of FPV kamikaze drone in a military conflict. October 2020, KarabakhLikely, Turkish STM Kargu
>>65647191Geopolitics cares not for either your or Armenia's Christcuckery.
